I am thinking about adding this stack in the middle of a 6 month hgh cycle. Has anyone here done that?I like the lower test dose. Id still take the normal clomid/nova pct while I`m still on my hgh.
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JamesEarl
No, but I always use testosterone with my hgh. Hgh works much better with testosterone. You need it year round for it`s true benifits. Take like a month off per year to reset receptor sites. Hgh works great with testosterone so specific combination cycles will be fine, so as long as you use the testosterone, get it? Further it`s the diet and training but mainly your diet when it comes to cutting up. Good luck!
JD Cycle
I would run towards the end of the HGH cycle. I always start my HGH about 3-4 months prior to a cycle so I`m reaping more benefits out of the HGH than the first 2-3 months. I run a low HGH and my last cycle with gear and HGH really transformed my body.
crazy Dan
Yes you should take this beginner cut mix at 3 months into hgh cycle if you are ONLY taking 6 month of hgh. i advice you to go at least 9 months of hgh since you want hgh full effect is 6 months so you want to get the most out of it. However yiur plan is very sound. Have hgh kick in which is about 3 months (full effect is 6 months) and have the steroid added to the synergistic effect of gh and gear! Since this beginner cut has testP it will kickin at 3 weeks so that`s good. In short goid plan to have gh take in effect then have testP amplify the effect. hope that helps and don`t forget to vote.
Fattycakes
Yea, I see a lot of people saying it takes 6 + months for hgh to work. I don`t think i agree. I see a lot of studies that show people lost 10-15% body fat by not changing anything else, in 6 months.
I`m going to do it for 6 months and go from there. Idk if id like to run anything for a year. I`m kind of uncomfortable with 6 months.
But I`ll run 4ius 5 times a week for a month. Step it up to 6. Keep 6 the whole time and months 3.5-6 I`ll add the cut cycle. Maybe do a 7th month of hgh while I PCT.
crazy Dan
That’s absolutely fine with your plan my friend! 6 months gh and see what’s your result is. Go easy/slow and adjust from there. no need to rush things. this is a long game. So that said, easy with 4iu and go up to 6iu cus the higher you go the likely you get sides. I say go to 4iu max on this cycle. Remember you are adding steroid to the mix too so you don’t need much. no pct needed for hgh but after testE you need pct. So 3 days after last testP pin take clomid 100/100/50/50 and nolva 40/40/20/20 for 4 weeks to get your natty back. good luck buddy! solid plan!!
nickname_311
That should be fine unless first cycle then I`d only recommend test.
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Would this be a good follow up cycle? Looking to cut out that body fat and show more definition off of my Test E cycle after I finish my 10 week break
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Zilla
I would say so. Just remember any cutting cycle is only as good as your diet. So make sure going into this cycle your diet & deficit is in check & you should cut up nicely with the addition of whinny.
JamesEarl
To cut up it is not the steroid but rather the diet. Now dry steroids are better in the sense that your definition gained from fat loss will not be obscured from water retention. However with a clean diet and ample water intake your water bloat will be minimised regardless and after cycle your excess water will be gone. So in the end it`s the diet while cutting that matters and not the roid. But to see true results minus water bloat try anavar with Testosterone and after say 10 weeks use primobolan. Or you can opt for Equipoise for it`s lean quality gains. Regardless of primobolan or equipoise usage the duration must be 5 months or more because these steroids take time to build up. Any less cycle time and you leave potential gains on the table. In the early couple of years you can still add some muscle while on a caloric deficit because excess fat can be used to fuel the energy requirements to synthesize muscle so as long as your protein intake is high at at least .75 to 1.0 grams per pound of body weight. DHB is considered a stronger version of Equipoise and has primobolan like traits and comes with very few side effects. I`ve placed an order of DHB because I have never used it and I`ve just heard too many good things about it. DHB is finally available, you might just give that a try on your cutting cycle so go ahead and purchase some. I hope this information was helpful, and good luck with it man!
nickname_311
Yep as long as diet is on key.
evanjohnson347
Cruising op 250mg test/week will help you keep more of your gains along with proper diet and training. IF you come off completely(PCT) you will probably lose much of your gains.
nickname_21
Just but some winstrol from dragon once it becomes available run 50mg per day lower your test to like 250 per week cut out 250 to 500 calls a day or add 25 minutes of cardio and 250 cals per day along with the winstrolband you ll get that cleaner maybe shredded look your looking for. Run winni 6 weeks max
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Can I run anavar with this cycle? I planned to add it to stan for weeks 3-8. With Liv-52 does this seem like a good idea or no?I am a newbie so I know everyone says test only but my anavar expires soon. 6ft 228lbs 15% bf.
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crazy Dan
This is a pre-stacked gear put together by the experts in the business do you really shouldnt add anything or extend the duration of the cycle. Also winny is in the prestacjed and it`s better than anavar imo. And you should not take 2 orals in one cycle even though var is mild to the liver. I would recommend you to concentrate on your diet if to get lean out rather than taking another oral. Winny is plenty to lean you out. Good luck buddy! Don`t forget to vote.
Tree-beard
Thank you!
POOKIE2
No need to stack two orals. Save Var for the next cycle. You`ll like winny regardless and it`ll be good to let it do its job without adding more compounds. Good luck….stay swole!
skitt
lol My comment will go against the grain but I`m just stating an opinion.. You can stack two orals in a cycle but there is a lot of factors that play into that.. I`m not advising you to do so as you are a newbie as stated but down the road doesn`t mean you can`t try it out.. I have personally done it more then a few times but carefully.. It depends on the duration of the cycle an how long you would be running each oral.. I have come across products that have been made to actually add two types of compounds into one pill.. A little scary to the thought but I also understand the concept meaning if a person wanted to even take two orals at the same time for a synergy aspect they can.. It would depend on the doses they would be taking.. I can not see the difference as to how a person could take hypothetically 20 mg of Anavar and 20 mg of Whinny per day being more toxic to the liver then if you were taking 50 mg a day of Whinny if you understand what Im saying.. On another note I totally agree with both others comments and do believe you will enjoy the whinny by its self plus IMO I believe its way better then the Var as well.. I know it did wonders for my body at 40 mg a day an love me some whinny, it will do the job correctly.. All though a lot will disagree with the other info I have provided thats there own prospective.. Doesn`t mean Im wrong, just in the future if you decide to do something like that, you need to be very careful and do your research correctly.. enjoy the stack an get swole bro good luck
Onyx
If you want more gains you can up the dose of testosterone, I think it is a better option. Of course you can use two orals with liv 52. You will be fine. Good luck!
nickname_311
If this is your first cycle I would recommend only 500 mg of test per week do you see how your body reacts to that then after that I would begin this cycle
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If anyone has tried this, how did it work for you and how many do I need to buy for a 12 week cycle?
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Nickname577
Are you talking about the Aaster solution beginner cut cycle? Not very descriptive in what u are asking bro. If you are talking about this stack, you just need to by one, but by judging from your question I take you have never done a cycle before… you just need to start with 500mg of Testosterone cypionate or ethenate a week, split into 2 injections, 250mg on Monday, 250 mg On Thursday etc.. get an Arimidex for anti estrogen. Hcg for post cycle therapy, some people use HCG and Clomid.
KMack
I was referring to the beginners cut cycle listed in their pre-designed stack.
EQhead
You`ll need a total of 42ml test prop, so you`d need to get 3 more bottles to run as directed for 12 weeks. Get some Liv52 liver protectant because of the Stanozolol. You may or may not need the Arimidex. In my opinion them recommending 0.5mg daily is overkill. Especially if average weekly dose of test is 350mg. I`d only run the Arimidex as needed. At $200 this is a good deal though. Pinning eod isn`t that bad if you alternate glutes. Cheers
Roid_Head
You have to buy two for 12 weeks cycle but you still have to use Winstrol no more than 6 weeks. Instead of starting it from week 3-8 you should take it from week 7 to 12. You can also just try 500mg of test e for 12 weeks, 0.5mg of arimidex every other day. You would need 3 vials of test e, 1 pack of GP Arimidex and HCG, Clomid, nolva for PCT.
Onyx
My first cycle was winstrol and testosterone. You can buy everything separately for 12 weeks. It is a good cycle. Good luck!
Patriot_1234
IMO the anastrolzole dosage sounds insane. That`s practically a dose a woman would take for breast cancer treatment fighting for her life. Other than that, Test and winstrol is pretty entry level, but I don`t like shooting that many times a week. Try it for yourself and see how you like it. Good luck.
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Ok guys I`m 53 6`1 265 would this stack help me to lose weight and a significant amount of body fat or should I go another route, last year I did Cyp and Anavar hoping to cut some fat and lose some but only to gain…… Help?
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Jason123
Learn how to eat. Steroids don`t burn fat. Stop being lazy and fucking eat right. Wow!
Wally7867
Lazy is understatement I have zero energy, I’ve been on TRT for years dr just changed me at .5 Cyp a week, it seems the only time I feel like working out is when I’m on gear.
crazy Dan
Diet is the only way to lose weight. You must revamp your eating habits and thus change your lifestyle to become healthy. Gear will not going to help you lose fat. Diet, sweat, and lifestyle changes will do that. go on a caloric deficit eating regimen. Start putting more time in cardio exercises. Not just jogging but different activities so you a happy doing them. Make sure all your activities make yo sweat (caloric expenditure). Once you trim down some fat and gain some muscle mass then you can start gear. Only then came gear will help. And the only gear you should do is test only. Go low and work yourself up to a higher dose with many cycles. Then after 3-4 test cycles you can start stacking. Be patience and get your diet in check. Good luck buddy! Don`t forget to vote.
Patriot_1234
I`m sure it would help some but it`s not going to be as effective as just monitoring your calories and doing cardio daily. Take this as just strait talk, no insults at all, if you`re really overweight just cut the fat first. Don`t worry about gaining any muscle right now. Others will have their opinions but I`m telling you the best place to start gaining muscle is when you`re lean enough to begin with. Get a high-end scale that tells you your body composition. Yes they aren`t dead nuts accurate but they are consistent and you need to start monitoring your weight, BF% lean body mass etc. and your calories. With the proper diet and exercise you should be about to lose a pound of fat a week ON AVERAGE… I say that as your body is tricky and doesn`t lose fat linearly. Has peaks and valleys. If you learn the discipline in how to control your weight now, it will get easier and easier to do whatever you want in the future. Get that foundation down first.
nickname_311
I`d just do test Cycles. Then after three or four of those I would do test masteron.
Chayseboii
Yah of course diet is everything as the others said , but something no one admits is tren cuts fat fairly well. It is very harsh and the strongest steroid . But if you`re ALL in then go for it
Onyx
I am much younger than you but I was dieting for over a year to lose about 10 kilos extra and it didn`t work. I was walking every day, doing cardio, eating very healthy but for some reason I couldn`t lose the extra kilos. I started cycling clen without any other gears. It made a huge difference. I lost all the weight i wanted in only 4-5 months. I suggest you try clen maybe combined with testosterone. I wish you luck. Remember to vote!
Big Joe 1369
Calorie in vs Calories out. Get an app like “Lose It” which will help you track your calories from meals and even beers. Read a book like “Superior Fat Loss”, which will educate you. Then don`t lie to yourself about how many calories your gobbling up.Shoveling in mounds of food, and being on gear is not the answer. Thinking, “well it`s okay because I am on gear I can go ahead and barge my way through ? calories each day, Then saying,”Why Am I Not Losing Any Weight”?” is not the answer. You will burn more calories in your sleep than you will at the gym, and on gear. Also there are these pre workout mixes you can drink that can blast your ass up and get you motivated to paint a house. So they can help you get to the gym. Also have A TARGET goal bro. Short term (one Month), Medium term (3 Month`s), and Long Term (6 Month`s). You have to Win small Battles to Win the War. Patriot_1234, and Crazy Dan are moving you in the right direction. However your mind set about it has to change. So I recommend Reading and educating yourself about your eating habits. Locking in on a 500 cal deficit daily from you BMR will work wonders for Body Fat and weight loss. Peace Bro.
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I have several questions. I only eat 30g carbs a dayy for fat loss and I have lost alot but is this diet also ok for this cycle and for muscle gains?Other question I have is. What type of syringe/needle do i need? Will an insulin syringe be good for the test?
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JohnSmith
30g is not a lot and does not provide much for your body to build with. try cycling carbs 30g a few days then 300g for one or two days. you can use smaller needles but the smaller the needle the harder to pull and push oil through.
AJB
The needle I use is 25ga. and that`s just about too small. I used to use a 23 ga, that works best. I plan on using gear for the long term so I stick with the 25ga. The insulin needle is too small for most gear, you will have to push too hard to inject. Plus you need a pull needle 18ga, then switch needles and put the 25ga on for your pin.
POOKIE
I use 23g 1.5″ for glutes and 25g 1″ everywhere else. You will build muscle as long as you are taking in enough protein and fats. The tricky part is, your fuel source `carbs`are super low and you wanna make sure your body also uses stored body fat for fuel and not muscle. While on cycle I would for sure eat as much protein as you can so more that 1 gram per body weight and adjust carbs accordingly. 30 grams of carbs is super low…..while on you may wanna increase that. Good luck
BigJake
Keto is good and all, you really need ketone test strips to see if you`re in ketosis based on your current diet. If you`re training hard, I`d recommend cutting all carbs until you work out then immediately after, eat your 30 grams or even more if you`re not in ketosis, along with protein, fats, everything else. Make the post workout meal more than half of your daily calories and you can build while leaning.
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Right now my body fat is 15%. Will this cycle help me gain muscle mass and also lose some fat?I am currently on a ketogenic diet.
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Juice24roids
Hey Abs Bro, unfortunately gear doesn`t burn fat but it will help you hold onto muscle while losing fat. You`ll want to be in a caloric deficit in order to lose fat as you know. There are fat burners sold separately but in my experience cleaning up the diet, eating less and moving more (cardio) is the best way to go. thx
Joeskee
If ur on keto yes u will definitely see good gains but the cycle u want might hold a little water but that good for ur joints but as long as u eat clean ur g2g.
JohnSmith
the use of any anabolics will help build muscle, as long as you are breaking down muslce tissue. Anabolics speed up the speed of protein synthesis. so you breakk muscle down and it helps repair tissue faster. ketogenic diet might not give you the results to add on muscle, but with enough protein youd do so.
JohnSmith
the use of any anabolics will help build muscle, as long as you are breaking down muslce tissue. Anabolics speed up the speed of protein synthesis. so you breakk muscle down and it helps repair tissue faster. ketogenic diet might not give you the results to add on muscle, but with enough protein youd do so.
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Do we have to PCT after this cycle?
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Star Fox
Yes, nova and clomid after cycle. Also have an ai on hand if you experience symptoms like gyno. Good luck and keep us posted on results!
Old boy
Yes should have some nova or clomid for pct, the stack comes with an AI (Anastrozole) should you need it. Good luck.
Redpill
For sure you do . Always PCT in my opinion unless you know you have the best genes for hormones and Hpta startup somehow …. best to be safe than sorry , some will recommend fully natural pct with no clomid or nolva but that might put your natural test recovery back a few weeks if not months . Best to do tried and true pct , you could get away with just nolva but in case you`re too estrogenic during pct get both .
Cyclone
Absolutely yes, Nolva at 40/40/20/20 (40 mg per day weeks 1-2, 20 mg per day weeks 3-4) is all that is necessary.
Dr Scott
You can but prop wont need it an 8 week cycle at those doses prob not necessary and prob why they dont include it in the kit in the first place. Lots of confusion about PCT the only reason to do PCT is to avoid the symptoms of low T caused by your gear suppressing it. All this talk about your test being damaged forever if you dont or somehow PCT sealing in your gains is magical thinking. Having said all that, 24roids has lots of different very affordable options so why not have it on hand. I come from a time before sites like 24roids when clomid was name brand only and $15 a tab and the only place to get HCG was from a DR not really interested in giving it to a male for off label uses and have survived many many cycle with a long taper being my only PCT because i had to and my testosterone always returns to what it always was about 500ng/dl. But today you dont have to, i`m just giving you all your options and reasoning behind them. So best to have something on hand just in case but not absolutely mandatory and IMO prob not even really needed for this cycle
jenna
Yes, I`d run nolvadex and clomid.
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I`m about to order the “beginners cut stack” which includes Anastrozole (Arimidex) which is recommended taking at 0.5 mg per day at the start of the cycle until 10 days after the cycle. With the Arimidex included should I also get Nolvadex or Colmid for PCT or will the Arimidex do the trick? And if I should get Nolvadex or Colmid which is more preferred and at was dosage after the cycle? Thanks guys.
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novadesert007
Yes, Nova and Clomid are after cycle. Since it`s only test and Winstrol cycle I suggest you only need Clomid, no need Nova. but it`s up to you, if you can afford it, it won`t hurt.
PCT
I far prefer clomid to nolva for PCT unless you are experiencing symptoms of gyno, which for me is very common as levels are changing during this time. Arimidex will not do anything for PCT it is an AI designed to reduce levels of estrogen. I only use that if i am actually experiencing estrogenic sides like gyno, bloating and HTN. If just gyno i far and away prefer nolvadex all AIs have potential to interfere with your gear so me personally i never use them unless i need them. I wouldnt take an aspirin BEFORE i got a head ache but some disagree.
MegaCycle
AI and pct are not the same thing. You need both. Also do NOT take that much per day. Wait for sides before taking any AI. That way you learn your sides, if any. There are about 20 sides that a person can possibly get but if you get any sides, it will only be 1-2 sides normally. If you take it early, you may never get the sides and so then you don`t know how to tell if you have high e2 in the future. Once you get them, start AI slowly to not crash your system. Crashed e2 is worse then high e2 IMO. Nolva and Clomid are fine for PCT and don`t take AI during PCT. good luck
Unc33135
No id say you dont need nolva since you have anastrozole. But if you wanted to get clomid post cycle to help get your natural test levels back up then yes thats something you could do. Do you absolutely need it? No your test will come back by itself.
JMann
Don’t just start taking the AI unless you are experiencing sides such as sensitive nipples gyno etc, since your test should be low on a beginner stack, some ltimes AIs can do more harm than good. You might not need one, but it’s always good to have one on hand. For your pct a lot of guys will run a mixture of Nolva and clomid, so you will recover faster. Just google your basic beginners pct. pretty straight forward, good luck.
mix
Yes nolva and Clomid are for after cycle pct bro start them 2 weeks after last pin, good luck
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Can I add the Super Rip 150? Can I put it all in o e syringe? Thanks!
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Gearpeace
Yes, but be mindful of test dosage. There`s test in both products. Add mg from each product to get total. You want to be 400 – 500mg
Metal Mike
Absolutely there both oil based!
Verve
Cycle experience, age/weight, and dosage would be necessary in order to properly advise you whether you can add another compound or combination of compounds.
Anonymous17
You can but look at the test in each compound. Might be best to save that for another cycle. If you do mix them you can load in same syringe since it`s all oil based. But i am a believer in less is more. Good luck man
Hitler
They are both oil based so yes you can
nickname_832
Yes you can
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Can I add the Super Rip 150? Can I put it all in o e syringe? Thanks!
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Daniel Kostov
yes in general you can mix all oil based products. bigger muscles can take more oil easier ex glutes can take 3ml pretty easy but dealts may be really sore with 1.5ml
Sarge
Are you a beginner? If so, you should absolutely not stack a bunch of additional compounds.
Hitler
Yes you can mix oil based solutions together
Skuchie
You can add all oil based compounds in the same syringe, however when you inject it, I would not put more than 1ml into either medial deltoid or more than 2ml`s of volume into the glute.
nickname_832
Yes you can mix them but I would not do more than 2ml in one pin. Split it up. That`s a lot of compounds together. Be careful
Trenbologna sandwich
Yeah brother mix it up and save yourself an extra shot!
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Hey everyone. I ordered the Beginners Cut Cycle and was curious of two things. First – Is .5mg of Anatrozole everyday too much? I`ve read that maybe .5mg every other day is a better dose option, possibly. Second – when is the best time of day to take it EOD? Especially if I`m doing my Test injections in the morning? I also ordered the Basic PCT stack, but after doing some more reading on 24roids think that the HCG and the Clomid and the Nolva is a bit excessive? Thinking I could just run the Clomid and Nolva with a small does of AI and I should be fine?
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Fit_mom
You will find there are many suggestions on running gear. The product description page normally has good info on the dose and frequency. From that point you need to adjust what works for you. For some arimidex every other day works well, for some everyday is better. You will be amazed on how gear affects people differently. It really comes down to what works best for you and you need to figure it out. Unless you get your test checked before a cycl, just after and while on pct you wont really know what your doing is workin . Blood tests are really a must especially for younger men that don`t want to destroy thier natural test levels after a cycle. Good luck
Bswole
It all depends on the person. For instance I have never needed a Ai no matter what I take. Just listen to your body if u need the whole .5 u will know like if you`re nipples start to be sore u need it. Good luck k bro
Will
Take it every other day. Timing really doesn`t matter. I usually take mine with my first meal to be consistent. Any time of day is fine though.
Skuchie
It depends on your body’s response to testosterone, as to how much of a PCT you’ll need. I run 500mg a week of enanthate and I use only .5 arimidex m-w-f. And that’s only when I start showing signs of excess estrogen. There’s no real steadfast formula, we’ve all used trial an error to fine tune our protocol. If I’m only doing 250mg every 6 days, I don’t use anything, that’s my TRT baseline. So have these things on hand, in case you need them, but wait to see if you experience anything. Good luck.
evan johnson
Yes .5mg eod AI is fine, timing does not matter, and you are correct HCG is not necessary for PCT on top of clomid and nolva.
Canadian
.5 EOD will work. So will .5 every day. You could start lower if you wanted. Or you could wait until you feel sides. Your choice, everyone is different.
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I am 38 years old and I am at 300 pounds. I don`t have a consistent workout routine but stay active daily. What can I take to help me with weight loss and to tone up and gain muscle and strength?
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nickname_235
That`s a lot of weight. I wouldn`t suggest you take any strong fat loss compound like clen or tren and etc at that weight. Its going to be too much pressure on your heart. The best way to do it is to drop some pounds and get on steroids as lean as you can be naturally. If you want to get on steroids anyway, just testosterone alone. Test c or Test e, no more than 500mg a week for 8-10 weeks to see how your body responds.
mchilds
Don`t worry about muscle gain right now. Most of the stimulants are pretty unsafe but you could do some T3 at 50-75mcg a day if your BP tolerates it. But what you really just need to do is fast right now. Look up the Snake Diet on YouTube and that can get you started. Just don`t eat for 5-7 days, then eat a meal, then fast another 5-7 days, etc. start off with a 48 hr fast to get your feet wet. You will lose 30-50 pounds if you are excercising over 3-4 weeks doing this. In 6 months you can lose 75-100 pounds if you stick to a solid safe fasting protocol. And no, fasting doesn`t make you lose muscle. The T3 will though.
New2this
Get on doctor-assisted trt.. and if they`re not giving you weekly shots find a doctor that will give you a weekly shots.. sounds like you suffer from Low T.. get some blood work to confirm this ask your doctor to check your testosterone and estrogen levels.. if you insist on doing this on your own.. I still think a therapeutic dosage of testosterone is all you really need and a good workout regimen and Cardio.. and every now and then running a cycle a 500 mg of test weekly…. maybe running this cycle twice a year
Greenleanmass
Well try try with test e and go from there. Or clen. You can use that for weight. Anavar
gsockz
Try doing 30 mins of some fast paved cardio a day for a month or so and get into losing weight naturally. You don`t wanna stress your heart out too much by extreme fat loss
Swoleville
Step your cardio up first before thinking about cycling
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What days would you recommend running the test , or would you say running .5 ml everyday is better for more consistent blood levels?
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anonymous255
50mg of prop per day would be ideal but 100mg every other day will be just fine and is what I would do. Frequent injections get old and props half life is pretty perfect for every other day injections.
5%er
Blood levels will be fine every other day, but if you choose to inject .5 every day you can. I would stick with every other day personally.
B dizzle
U can do every other day. I personally think every day would be the best route.
nickname_537
. 5 everyday is great. But 1.0 cc or 100ml every other day (eod) is just fine as well.
Fit_mom
Pinning ed would keep blood levels high and I believe the most effective. Personally I have experienced very positive results verse when I would use eod. Yea you pin more but my husband does me every day in the glute. So for me works perfect. Good luck
Adam22
Every other day with prop will be good enough. But yes every day injections will definitely keep blood at a high stable level.
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I’m running TRT test cyp 200mg a week been on it for a while when switching to the test E for this stack what type of PCT should I follow?
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Jake
40/40/20/20 nolva and 100/100/50/50 clomid should do the job
Nashdaddy
Your standard Nolvadex/Clomid pct should be just fine coming off of test only.
anonymous255
Use HCG and SIS pct tabs, but if you are actually on trt then you don’t need pct. You need to go back to trt.
anon5_uk
How long are we talking about here in terms of TRT time? Years? You`ll need hCG Nolvadex and Clomid coming off of a blast and cruise.
nickname_537
Wait. If you`re on trt, just resume your trt dosage after your cycle is over. Why pct?? There`s no need because if I`m gathering it right you`ll be on trt forever right? I`m on trt and never do pct. My natural testosterone levels are so low that pct won`t help, and resuming trt dosages will raise your testosterone or rather keep it up to par you see??
LongIslandBEAST
If you are on TRT than there is no PCT needed as you will be continuing testosterone anyway. Taking testosterone will make it impossible for your body to produce its own in natural amounts whochbis the point of PCT. Since you are going to go back to TRT just blast and cruise.
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Two questions for you guys. First off I`m not a bodybuilder. I`m just trying to enhance my athletic performance I`m currently sitting at 187lbs 11%bf and I wanna drop down a bit more. Age 23. So is it a viable option to just run a winny cycle and follow it up with PCT? Or should I do the opposite and do a cycle with just test and an anti estrogen like arimidex and then do a cut afterwards. Thanks
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YD1
Hello, what I did was take testosterone then incorporated the winy 4 weeks into the cycle so I can get a feel for it. I did 400mg/week of test E then at week 4 did winy at 50mg/week with Arimidex. Im going to be doing it again. The other option was Test/Anavar. Good luck bud.
Ee12
Honestly its entirely dependent on what you want, if you want to cut yeah go for it or if you want to bulk up go for the test
N88
If you just wanna lose fat, go on a cut w/o anabolics. For strength use anabolics but just go with test and a clean diet w/the right macros.
Jaris
Dont run orals alone, my suggestions are: run test e, or test p w winny if you are into weaker compounds
Taylor Pendley
I feel that I may be similar structure to you and size. Test always does two things for me. 1) puts size on me. And 2) leans me out and I lose fat. So, I think a test only cycle of 400 or 500mg would do this for you too. Always have pct and ai on hand. For the winny. All compounds will shut down your natural test. I never feel it`s a good idea to run anything without a bit of support from some test.
Scott
Use a test base and you’ll see good results. Or just run a test cycle with the proper AI and PCT and you’ll see good results aswell. Don’t do an oral only cycle. Craziness my dude.
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Currently on week 3 of this cycle and have suffered a slight injury. Wont be able to workout for 1-2 weeks. Any suggestions? Should i stop the cycle and begin PCT immediately?
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Scott
3 weeks in, I wouldn’t even worry about a PCT. Your levels will return. I’d stop the gear, take your 2-3 weeks to heal and jump back on. Maybe pick up another vial of prop and you’ll be GTG.
Will
Would cut everything but Test and drop Test to a TRT dose. Levels will still be suppressed due to synthetic Testosterone and the other compounds being injected. Once your injury is gone, start the cycle back up.
SteveC
As Will said, cut out everything other than the test. Run a trt dose of test and start the cycle back up once you are healed. However, if you do want to just stop the cycle altogether, I would still run a small, low dose PCT for a week or two after the hormones are completely out of your system. Hope you feel better and heal up quickly!
LegacyLifter
If you stop now, you don`t need PCT. If you choose to continue then that`s fine as well. Extend your cycle to 12-15 weeks if you plan on finishing it out.
ViktorN
Test definitely help you heal faster. 1-2 weeks is very short or less of an impact on your cycle. I say continue on your cycle. Go easy after you recover from injury. Once you know you are healed. Hit it hard and don’t look back!! 🙂 good luck my friend!
Zach Linder
I like Will`s idea. Let your body recover and choose between going back on or coming off at that point.
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Would adding 1mL of GP DECA 250 once a week counter or add to the gains?.
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Massgains
Honestly 250mgs of deca a week no not really and your running Propinate with this cycle you would want run npp another fast action ester. Npp can be ran at 100 mgs eod in the same syringe was your prop. O
Jay
Yes it would make it more potent but Its much better to combine fast acting esters together. Test Prop and Winstrol are both fast acting but deca is one of the longest acting esters. You can take NPP which is the faster acting version of nandrolone deca
Gainz
Depends on your diet 250 mg deca shouldn’t effect your cut. . . what mass gains said
anon5_uk
Just stick to the stack that you`ve chosen, and don`t modify it. Many want to modify existing stacks, but best to do is just make sure you are sticking to it as closely as possible, and not tinker with it much. You`ll see results for sure.
ROBER
There is really no reason to add deca to your stack. It won`t work for what you`re wanting
Maison Jardin
No adding that little amount of deca really isn’t going to give you what you are looking for in the gains department.
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Is there a best time to take the testo Shot?.
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Don O
There isnt really a “best” time but Im partial to mornings to get it out of the way, just try to keep things consistent and youll be good to go.
Jay
Since this is test p, take it every other day or better everyday in the morning so by the time you are working out you will have a little more in the blood so they attach to receptors better.
anonymous99
Ideally when you have privacy but It does not matter what time of day you take it. On the other hand Test suspension gets in and out of the system very quickly and is best taken before a workout though.
Massgains
The best time all depends on the individual I personally like to do my shots first thing in the morning some people preworkout some post work.
anon5_uk
Not really a best time. Morning, evening, afternoon, in your sleep, before meal, after meal, during meal, it does not matter.
ROBERT
I like to do my shots first thing in the morning right after I shower. It`s really just preference.
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Can some one help with the Unit to mL on an Insulin syringe?. I can`t seem to find a solid awnser. 1 Unit seems like a spec for all the test it comes with.
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Mike Jones
A full 100unit insulin syringe is 1ml so that means 1 unit is . 01 of a ml 10units is . 10ml etc
Jay
100 Unit is equal to 1ml or 1cc. Insulin syringes usually come in 0. 5ml or 0. 5cc so that would equal to 50 Units.
RJB
Correct MJ. A full insulin pin is 1 Ml is 1 unit. So you can follow that to get your draw.
SocalJuicer
Each “tick” on an insulin syringe equals 1/10th of a ML – this gets kinda confusing as some smaller insulin syringes are 50 units (1/2 of a ml), while many others are 100 units (one full ml).
anon5_uk
U40 insulin syringe = 40 units is 1 mL. U100 insulin syringe = 100 units is 1 mL.
Dalton Carpenter
100 unit insulin syringe is 1ml or 1cc
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Hey guys. Looking to run this cycle back to back for a total of 16 weeks. Does anyone see any negatives with that? What would you recommend when taking the Stan10? Should i take a break during weeks 9&10 or lower my dosage and take the Stan10 throughout the entire cycle?
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nickname_537
Stan10 should be completely stopped before use during the second time. Using lower doses throughout is less effective and still not giving your liver a chance. Back to back is fine. But blast and cruise in my opinion is better. This 4 month continues cycle can be the blast (heavier cycles are blasts) and the cruise (only 200mg to no more than 300mg weekly testosterone) will avoid pct and maintain gains. Cycling on and off and doing pct is a roller-coaster effect on your body and is harsher, plus you will keep more gains on a blast and cruise. What you save in pct cost you spend on testosterone during a cruise so the fist is about the same. It`s up to you what you do. But probably use liv52 or Tudca which is more expensive (I use liv52) for liver protection while cycling. If you do pct then taper off then use clomid and Nolvadex. (hcg is an option too). Some only taper off to allow natural testosterone production to come up. Have arimidex on hand (no guarantee you will or will not need it). I never use arimidex I never have estrogen issues but everybody is different. Note: don`t go crazy with estrogen blockers, low estrogen ruins muscle gains because some estrogen is needed to make testosterone and other steroids more effective. I use proviron for its mild estrogen blocking (no need to rid too much estrogen) and proviron lowers shbg which makes other steroids more effective. Good luck!
Tommie boy
You can run them back to back that’s fine but the Winnie to totally need to stopped and give your liver a break Winstrol is very toxic on the liver so definitely run you first cycle bag of them the take a break continue take liver protection and then start the Winnie back up at the end. Also make sure you have a beefy pct on deck hcg clomid nolvadex.
Anonymous 4266
Run the cycles as it was designed. Winstrol shouldn`t be run more the 6 weeks. You have to give your liver enough time to clean itself. If you want to run 16 week cycle, pick one that was designed from the start to be 16 weeks long
GainsVille_85
You can run a 16 week cycle. Just don’t push your luck with the orals. You might consider 5 weeks on, 5 weeks off, and then 6 weeks on with the Winstrol. Run support supplements the whole time.
SocalJuicer
1) That`s a really long cycle, most see diminishing returns after 12 weeks. (2) as others have indicated, you cant run orals (winstrol) for longer than 4-6 weeks. Furthermore, you should have equal time “off” as time “on” to let your liver repair. (3) You better have your diet ALL BUTTONED UP if you want to see good results from this cycle. There is nothing special about these compounds that leads to weight loss (vs other anabolic steroids).
N88
8 weeks max on winny at 40mgs a day is what i recommend. I`ve ran it for longer but still liver values were bad at the end. 16 weeks on test is fine but why not just extend to 12 weeks, take a break then blast again?
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hey guys, is there any issue with injecting into a site with a tattoo? deltoid for example? I don`t feel like there should be but I figured id ask as well.
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Jay
There is not going to be any problem. Just make sure you clean the site with alcohol swab first
ViktorN
Absolutely not my friend!! I guarantee you half of our colleagues has tattoos. If it does we would of heard it. Ybeside you are objecting in your muscles so it is underneath several layers that compose “skin”. Meaning epidermis, dermis, and hypodermics. Tattoo ink is deposited in the middle located at the dermis. Hypodermic needle are use for hypodermics. That said, if you get infected after you pinned the infection might deteriorate throughout the injection site. It will migrate up and “eat” your tattoos. But if that happens you will not worry about tattoos. You will worry after the your health then. Like bacteria teaching your blood stream and give you sepsis! I am giving you the worst case scenario and stress the important of aseptic techniques. Your tattoo is fine. Hope that helps and good luck my friend!!
Will
Zero issues unless you recently got the tattoo and it`s still scabbed over or healing. Otherwise my injection spots I have tattoos on, and I`ve noticed zero problem with the spot. No reduction in quality of the tattoo either after injections. All clear!
nickname_963
I do it all the time. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this. Just make sure you use a minimum of 71% isopropyl alcohol in the injection site before pinning.
K-9
No problem at all ! I do it myself. As the others have said, just hit the pin site with an appropriate alcohol swab first.
GainsVille_85
Absolutely no problem whatsoever.
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So ive switched from quad to glute for my injections and that has helped a lot with reducing the soreness post injection. However, I get some slight leakage after each pin. im using a 1. 5 25G needle. I also noticed a small lump in the first glute injection site. am I not getting deep enough? or is this normal? should I switch again and go to delts?
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Will
It sounds like you may not be injecting deep enough. Upon injecting, keep the needle in for 30-60 seconds and then pull it out slowly. The longer I left needles in, they haven`t leaked. Which is why it`s best not to be in a rush when pinning. Also make sure you`re injecting into a muscular point of the glutes. Quads have always been my favorite for pinning, you just have to be careful to inject the outer quad and not too close to the knee. They have plenty of YouTube videos you can watch outlining where exactly to pin on different body parts.
anon5_uk
1. 5″ 25G is ideal needle that I also use, so good choice on that. You need to insert the needle fully. You also need to slightly move your skin to one area, inject, then release your skin. This is called a z-track injection, and you can Google it to see what exactly I ment by that. It basically prevents leakage after injection, since the movement of the skin back to original position blocks the “hole”.
Socaljuicer
Z-tracking is the answer to this issue as described above. Don’t switch locations, stick with flutes.
Anonymous 4266
Keep rotating the injection sites, from delts to glutes and quads. Give your last injection site as much time as possible. The leakage is due to the carrier oil, sometimes carrier oils are super thin which is a good thing but they will leak. The trick is as soon as the needle is out you have to push down 90 degrees on the exact spot that you pinned. This way you push the oil deep into the muscle and block the way out. If you push too hard your muscle might get sore the next day because you forced the oil into the muscle fibers if you don`t push hard enough it will still leak into subq and create a lump. Make sure you are not pushing around the site, that can make it worst by pushing the oil out.
B Rad
Sounds pretty normal, like SJ and Anon mentioned the z-track is a good way to prevent leaks and is super simple and easy to do. Delt injections are good to get acquainted with since theyre easy to hit and youll have more options for pinning if you need them.
Tommie
Sound normal to me your stabbing your self with a huge needle of course there many be a bump from Time to time and if your stabbing your self with the hole 1 and 1/2 that’s plenty deep. The oil leak just tends to happen as well some times it leaks a lot worst than others In my gluteus at least.
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Just finished m second pin but im still getting some muscle soreness post injection. No discoloration, bruising or anything like that, but some mild muscle soreness, it did almost go away between the first two times but since I woke up this moring im feeling it again. Ive read this is normal for the first few pins. is that correct? or should I switch my legs up? im pinning in my quad on the right leg.
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Beard
You do want to alternate legs. But that fresh muscle is going to be sore regardless. Just give it some time. N use some small insulin pins
Will
Completely normal. You`re injecting a needle into your body which you haven`t done previously. It will likely take a full cycle or two to get used to it. Even every now and then I still get it and I`ve cycled for years. Rotate injection sights to make it better. You don`t want to keep injecting the same spot when it hasn`t even healed yet.
Don O
Definitely switch up your injection sites as often as you can, try not to hit the same spot more than once a week if you can avoid it. Quads can be rather painful if you get unlucky and hit a weird spot so soreness is pretty standard, I try to avoid quads altogether, glutes and delts are always better for me.
nickname_963
When a new muscular site is invaded and a volume of substance is injected therein, there is often some soreness associated with such an injection. The muscle group is not used to containing an additional volume of a substance, thus pain can result. This is usually only experienced when a site is first used for an IM injection. This is why when using a new site it is encouraged to inject a smaller amount initially, from 0. 5-1ml dependent upon muscle size. Such pain and soreness usually ceases after a site has received at least one injection.
Mike Jones
Quads are tricky as there are a lot of nerves and arteries in and around the quads, this is normal tho especially if you’ve switched injection sites and especially since this is your second pin of the cycle. I am on trt and pin myself twice a week for my cruise but then when I blast even I get some muscle soreness for the first few weeks. This is normal it just takes time for your body to absorb the oils and get used to the compounds circulating in the system.
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So I have another question here reguarding PCT and this cycle. Would running Nolvadex and Clomid suffice to maintain gains and prevent estrogen rebound or is HCG really necessary as well? Id just personally prefer to stop injecting anything post cycle if possible, but obviously I want to ensure my hormones return to their normal levels.
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Rob Smith
Clomid and Nolva and HCG are really the standard for PCT. It really depends what your cycle looked like and how long you were on it for. Either way the HCG is a subcutaneous injection and is no where near the level of most anabolics. If you really want the best results out of your PCT and you want to maximize the retention of your cycle, just get the HCG. It`s not too expensive either. I think Sun Pharma has 4000iu for about 30 bucks. Go with 500 iu twice a week for 4 weeks at a minimum.
eric
clomid will work good, use it for 4 weeks. .. it does that trick. .. keep your protien up too. !
ViktorN
This is a mild cycle. This cycle only last 2 months. In the gear world it’s very short. Only thing you worry about is your sensitivity to estrogen conversion with test p. But anastrozole took care of that. Stan10 has little sides but at that level it’s nothing to worry. I would concentrate on your response with gear. Is it good? Then next cycle you might want to up a little. Meaning longer cycle. Follow instruction and take anastrazole 10 days after cycle. This is due to test p. Clomid will kick start your natural test back. Good luck my friend!
nickname_963
With this mild first cycle HCG is really unnecessary to run. Just stick with the nolva and clomid combo. When you start going past 11 weeks that is when you want to introduce HCG to your pct arsenal.
RJB
Yeah with this being your first cycle and the mildness of you probably don`t have to run Hcg. Do Nolva/Clomid and you will be straight.
SocalJuicer
No need for HCG, and you don`t need to run BOTH nolva and clomid, just one or the other.
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Should I begin my pct of nolvadex 2_3 weeks after this cycle or the day my cycle ends?Also I bought some liv_52 should I run this from day one or wait until I start using the winistrol?
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ROBERT
I`d suggest starting after 14 days of last pin.
Will
The compounds you`ve been taking won`t be out of your system that quick. A good rule of thumb is to wait 2 weeks post cycle to begin PCT. Both long and fast esters should be fully out of your body by then for you to work on recovering your levels. Liv52 is a good liver supplement and I would recommend taking it throughout your cycle. For sure while on any orals and a month or so after, but it`s great to have for an entire cycle to keep your liver as healthy as possible.
evan johnson
10 days after your last injection take nolvadex at 20mg ed for 6-8 weeks. Yes take Liv-52 while you are winstrol.
Beard
Nolvadex 40mg a day for 2 weeks and 20mg days for following 2 weeks. Also run clomid at 100mg a day for first 2 weeks and 50mg a day for following 2 weeks.
Lav3ga
Start your PCT the 2 or 3 weeks after last pin like your said. The liver sup is really no match for any of this, but winny is the harshest compund in the mix
Mike Jones
Y’all do realize we’re talking about test prop here? Not enth or cyp. This is a winni test prop cycle, these compounds will be completely out of your system 10 days tops, I say you start your pct 7-10 days after your last pin continuing the adex all the way through your pct. as for the liver support I would run it from the beginning and for a few weeks after you stop the winni
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The Beginners cut cycle comes with Test Prop 100, Stan 10, and Anastrozole. Does the Anastrozole count as post cycle estrogen blocker, as a PCT program? Or do I need to purchase an additional PCT package?
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GainsVille_85
The anastrozole is an aromatase inhibitor. It is not a stand alone PCT. You’ll want to get Nolvadex and Clomid to use for PCT. Run your AI until the hormones clear to prevent estrogen rebound.
ROBERT
Agreed with above post. Even though the Anastrozole is AI, I`d purchase Nolvadex and clomid. Nice stack and good luck.
Anonymous
Anastrozole is an AI. You have to have a good pct plan if you want to keep your gains. HCG 500iu twice a week for 3 weeks with good AI, thats it.
Jordan Taylor
Since you are taking testosterone propionate, it has a short half life less than a week, so not too long after your last shot, I recommend you get some sort of clomid and/or HCG to ensure your natural testosterone keeps you at normal levels or if a doctor will do that for you. As for the arimidex, since the test prop will be out of your system fairly quickly, I wouldn’t feel a need to keep running arimidex after 2 or 3 weeks after your last shot, because by then your test levels will be back down and recovering back to a natural level from the pct. unless you plan on “cruising” on a low dose of test between cycles, then I would still run arimidex, you do NOT want gyno.
LegacyLifter
Arimidex can be used during the cycle and for PCT. I recommend adding Nolvadex to the PCT as well.
J.P.
Anastrozole can be used during Post Cycle Therapy. However, not by itself, and ideally not for your entire PCT. The thing with Anastrozole is that while it is great for suppressing estrogen on cycle, it has a tendency to produce a rebound effect when discontinued. Having your estrogen rebound fresh out of PCT is a nightmare and very unavoidable. Another thing is Anastrozole will not aide in recovering your natural testosterone production. For this, I recommend digging into some research to determine your best option. Dr. Thomas O`connor and Bill Robert`s are two good places to start. You could purchase a pre-designed Post Cycle Therapy stack from 24roids as well. But I`d go a step further and pick up Aromasin, since it will kill estrogen instead of just block it. And double up on the Nolvadex and Clomid. My reasoning being, is it sounds like this may be a first PCT for you, and if so you want to have more than enough as well as some options. Some guys can`t handle Nolvadex. Others hate Clomid. Historically both have been used together synergistically, but what dose will work best for you? Overall, the thing to remember is the recovery is very individualized and has no set time limit. The notion that upon 4 weeks your testosterone is back like a package in the mail is delusional. Recovery ends when your body tells you it has ended. The only way to know this is through bloodwork. I hear all the time bloodwork is a pain or hard to even obtain. But if you want to take things to a higher level it will he the solid foundation upon which to build. So to sum it up; Aromasin, Nolvadex, Clomid and bloodwork. You can play with HCG if it suits you, but read up on it first from clinical sources.
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When stacking BASIC CUT with BASIC PCT, the CUT instructions say half a Aromast per day, then continue 10 days after. . But the PCT instructions say to start taking 1 full pill per day for protocol. Which is correct? Are you supposed to double the AI dose during 4 Weeks of PCT?
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Jaris
0. 5 of ai is correct, and 1 pill of pct. That one pill is for pct. You should taper down ai during pct, not raise it up. Excuse me for poor english.
LegacyLifter
Honestly all you need is just half a tablet per day and even that might be too much.
LongIslandBEAST
I have to agree with LL. It’s my opinion that you should take the least amount possible. Maybe a quarter of a pill a day and if you need more take more. Take notice of your side effects and titrate appropriately.
N88
I`d do the cut arimidex protocol of starting w/cycle then continue till 10 days after cycle. Continuing with 1 mg for another 4 weeks is not necessary. The basic cut is a light cycle and dosing with all that HCG, clomid and nolva + taking 0. 5 mgs 10 days after the last shot will be more than enough. I think that basic PCT stack is a cookie cutter PCT regiment which doesnt necessarily line up with all types of cycles–which i feel is overkill for your cut cycle. PCT plans needs to be structured to meet or beat post cycle needs and shouldnt look the same for every type of cycle.
ROBERT
I personally stick with cutting them in half and using half daily. Good luck
Mike Jones
Both are correct, the reason being is that the BEGINNERS CUT CYCLE, and the BASIC PCT are not designed under the same guidelines, the basic pct is a general overall pct designed to cover all aspects of most cycles used including up to advanced cycles, the beginners cut is a very specifically designed stack with the theory that you already have pct in place, you will continue the adex throughout pct but as previously stated you don’t need to double it I believe that using . 5mg a day will be sufficient to run through pct with this beginners cycle if you were to run more aromatizing compounds or advanced cycles you might need the full 1mg of adex
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just two fast questions regarding the beginner cut cycle. first, does it cause anxiety at all? ive never heard of that from others I know who have cycled but im just an anxious person. second, whats a good recommended PCT for this cycle?
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Tren Man
People respond differently to steroids. Some people are fine with 1000mg of test a week and some will be a nervous wreck with trt dose, so it depends on your body and how it will react to it and you never know until you try it. If you are worried about anxiety I suggest ease into it. Test p and Winstrol are both fast acting and leave your system in few days so if you have a bad experience you will be fine after 2 days.
ROBERT
The stack already comes with Arimidex so I would say maybe Nolvadex could work for PCT if you want to try something different. You just want to watch for Gynecomastia, water retention and higher blood pressure. I have some anxiety NORMALLY and it never got worse when on gear. Hope this helps, good luck.
Micheal Ervin
It depends on your personality as tren man said everyone responds differently to gear, I can take 300+mg of tren and not get any rage and some ppl take 100mg and go berserk so it all depends on how you respond, if your already an anxious person I’d start off at the lowest possible doses to judge your response. As for pct you should always run hcg during your cycle to maintain a functioning HTPA and then nolva for your pct after you come off the cycle
Jaris
I have tried it, and didint feel anything like that. Good pct would be nolvadex and clomid.
Mike Jones
The compounds in this stack aren’t known to cause anxiety so as far as the compound side of things you should be ok, if your generally an anxious person you should start at the lowest possible dose and stay away from any stimulants, even caffeine, you should start using St. John’s wart it’s known to promote a healthy mood when used daily.
N88
This is a good stack and pretty mild. Dont think it would cause much anxiety in most but this is dependent on what triggers your anxiety. 350 a week of test P + 40 mgs daily of this oral for 8 weeks total wont be extremely hard to bounce back from. The best PCT would be hcg EOD starting 4 days after last pin (since its a short ester) 750/750/750/500/500/500/250/250. Always taper with hcg. Also start nolva 6 days after starting hcg daily 40 mgs weeks 1-2 and taper to 20 mgs weeks 3-4. There are a ton of variations on bouncing back from a mild cycle. Get bloodwork done to see where you are at a month after ending PCT.
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just a health question. I have a Blood pressure that usually around 144 systolic so a little high. Diatolic is usually average. is this safe to do this cycle with a slightly higher blood pressure or would it cause complications?
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Lav3ga
Just about everything on this site is going to cause your blood pressure to go up. There are a few things that you can do to mitigate it somewhat, but it will still go up and in your case it needs to be monitored closely. Before you start your cycle you need to learn exactly how your diet affects your water retention, this does not mean low sodium. Eat simple foods for a while like potatoes or rice with meat. Fill in the rest with some fruit to hit your calories and see how you look after a few days. I bet your blood pressure is down. The type of high blood pressure you have can also be reduced temporarily by donating blood oh, another good idea while on cycle as most of these compounds increase your hematocrit. All that being said I would be very careful it would not use any stimulants, watch your pre-workout, while on cycle.
smithpress
Lavega is spot on as usual. .. .. i would add that 24roids has alot of hypertension pills as well. Look under india pharmacy and then click blood pressure to get started.
BB89
Steroids cause blood pressure but the main cause is estrogen conversion. You have to keep estrogen at normal level by getting blood work done frequently and adjusting your AI based on the levels. Let me make it clear this is not the solution it just helps with the blood pressure.
mchilds
It depends on what your taking. A test cycle might actually lower your BP but something like Deca can raise RBCs so will increase blood viscosity and in turn your BP. So just keep a close eye on it (check twice a day) to make sure. Get your diet in check and do more cardio also. Your heart muscle is way more important than your biceps!
LongIslandBEAST
I am a Nurse in New York, USA so take hat I have to say with a little authority. You don’t want to mess with your heart. If you have high blood pressure you want to see a Doctor and get this taken care of before you start adding anything that can increase your BP. I would go to your doctor and maybe even get a home BP cuff and take your BP often and see if you really have hypertension or not and if so find out why. You can be prescribed a beta blocker or a ACE inhibitor most likely to keep this under control. Lisinopril is a popular prescription for hypertension. If you want to ignor this advice I do advise you to at least order some Propranolol from 24roids to control your BP. You can buy the 40mg pills and split them in half or even in quarters to keep your BP from going up. By taking steroids you will be adding muscle and even fat around your chest, organs and your muscles which will increase pressure. Risks are stroke and Hearst attack. Be warned. Your heart is an important organ and you will regret having gained muscle if you can’t keep your blood pressure under control. If you are willing so spend hundreds to look better consider spending $100 and see a doctor for your heart, it’s worth it.
RJB
Yeah BP will go up when using, like stated try some gear from india to help.
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I just ordered the beginners cut along with PCT. My question is once i begin the cycle should i curb the current supplements i am taking? Also, what supplements should i consider while on the cycle for liver health etc?
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evan johnson
If you are referring to natty supplements then no. If you are talking about other anabolics, then I would stop them to focus on this stack. You can buy Liv-52 as a liver supplement sold here on 24roids, although I personally don`t run liver sups when using orals.
smithpress
Yes keep on taking whatever natural supplements your using. However you need a liver support supplement, you can buy on 24roids.
Lav3ga
You can keep taking your natural stuff but I would stay away from shit with stims in it. Only supposed I really recomed are these in this order. Fish oil, creatine, beta alinine, citrulline maliate or L arginine. Make sure your have potatoes oranges and peppers in diet for potassium, and plenty of red meat for b vitimans and iron. You can take supposed for those but you won`t get it in the body as well as from a delicious steak. As for liver, there`s nothing that`s gonna keep up with a cycle, just focus afterwards on recovery. Also eliminate or minimize NSAIDs and booze for the cycle as well as PCT.
Micheal Ervin
Lavs post is great but I would recommend using Tudca on cycle for liver support, TUDCA is a water soluble bile acid. It shows great potency in treating cholestasis (bile acid backup in the liver) as the water soluble bile acids counteract the toxicity of regular bile acids. As well as protect and rehabilitate the liver, and general protects cells; very promising molecule.
N88
Tudca, liv-52 or any other on-cycle liver support formula should work for 40 mgs of sus. Keep taking your mulits, fish oil, any mineral support. Any other “supplements” aren`t really needed. Eat good food and get all your daily protein in. .. .maybe a little extra wont hurt.
Muscle pup
I use NOW liver refresh for liver support. You can find it on amazon. I would continue your protein and bcaa supplementation. I personally don’t see the point in taking creative while on cycle.
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Just curious for a first time cycle. does one order (pack) contain enough items for the entire 8 week cycle?
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TT KK
Yes you get enough gear for the whole cycle
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Thad
If you can afford an extra hundred and sixty-five more dollars I would definitely steer you in the direction of the intermediate cut cycle. The anabolics are by far better for what you`re looking for. Plus you could extend that a couple more weeks 10 weeks. IMHO.
John Smith
Yes the whole point of these stacks are they have everything you need with instruction on the web page. They are making it easy basically
anon5_uk
Yes it does, instructions for the cycle are listed in the product description. As you can see, it directs you for the full 8 week cycle. Do note that you will need to buy PCT meds separately for after the cycle.
mchilds
If you look at the description it lays out the whole 8 week cycle as they would recommend you take it for an 8 week cycle. So can’t adjust unless you want to shorten the cycle. Also no PCT in there either.
Socaljuicer
Yes, the essence of these pre packaged cycle “packs” is that all core compounds as well as ancillaries /cycle support are pre packaged with enough product to run a complete cycle. Keep in mind that you must purchase 1000mg total of Nolvadex (tamoxifen) to run PCT after the cycle.
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I’m new to this a 100 a day on my syringe would be 1 ml?
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Vincent Valentine
I`ll assume you`re referring to the GP Test Prop in this stack. Yes, 1ml of the GP Test Prop equates to 100mg, which the cycle states needs to be taken every other day. This can be checked by clicking the Geneza Pharmaceuticals link (left side of the screen under the `Browse by Brands` tab), going to the second page, and navigating to the GP Test Prop 100. Click on the picture of the product and you`ll be taken to a page with a description and pricing info. Among that pricing info reads how many milligrams per milliliter each vial has, and if you look closely, you`ll see it`s measured out to 100mg per ml – which means you`ll need to inject 1ml to get 100mg. Since you said you`re new, I`ll also mention that you should be sure to get a PCT stack prepared for after this cycle has ended to ensure your body gets back to producing it`s own testosterone again post-cycle. Nolvadex and HCG are what I recommend and both can be found right here on 24roids.
Mike Jones
Yes gp test prop 100 refers to 100mg per 1ml so yes 1ml of the liquid will equal 100mg of test prop
evan johnson
Yes you can draw up 100mg of test prop by using 1 ml on your syringe. The mg of a steroid is always labeled with regard to the ml. 100mg/ml or 300mg/ml for example.
RJB
You got it draw 1 ml= 100 mg Prop.
anon5_uk
The injectable part of this cycle, test prop 100 is 100 mg / mL, so you are assuming it correctly.
TT KK
100mg/ml means you would get 100mg of what compound per 1 ml
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Can I take 1ml of the armidex vs 0. 5. Will anything happen?
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michael vanacore
there is no ml its mg. and if you take 1 mg other then . 5 wait a few days. usually its . 5 twice a week. to spread it out. you dont want to lower estrogen too low it will definitely mess your body up. and it has negative effects on cholesterol if over used. stick to . 5 twice a week if you can.
D-man
. 5 mg per day is already pretty high for the amount of Test in this cycle. If you are experiencing estrogen related sides you may have something else going on. I wouldn`t increase it unless you get bloodwork and it shows your estro is high. Men need a certain amount of estrogen to function properly.
SocalJuicer
Why exactly would you increase this dosage? Arimidex is to dial in and maintain estrogen levels, haphazardly doubling the dose will crash (make too low) your estrogen level and cause a whole spectrum of problems, and it will take some time to recover. A good starting dose would be . 25mg every other day, then increase if you show signs of bloating, gyno, etc.
Don O
You probably wont need to unless you get an estrogen test that shows your levels are still above your target. There are some guys who are high aromatizers but its a minority so stick with the standard dose until you have data suggesting you should up the dosage. If your estrogen gets too low youll have the typical symptoms of lethargy, low sex drive, poor recovery, poor sleep, depressive mood etc. If its only a matter of convenience and not wanting to split your pill then you could just take 1mg EOD insted of 0. 5mg ED since it has an extended half-life of a few days.
Vincent Valentine
I think you meant 1mg (not ml) of arimidex. Reports show that taking anything above 0. 5mg of arimidex per day does not reduce the overall amount of estrogen in the body. These findings suggest that 0. 5mg is the peak milligram dosage that a user should take, as any more provides negative returns and is thus simply wasting the substance. I`ll assume you`re asking because you`re currently taking 0. 5mg of arimidex and you`re still experiencing the side effects of excessive estrogen buildup. The typical dose of arimidex for an AAS user on cycle is 0. 5mg every other day, which is usually more than enough to keep estrogen low. With that being said, genetic predisposition will render some AAS users more prone to estrogen buildup, and as a result some users may need to take 0. 25mg-0. 5mg every day. If taking 0. 5mg of arimidex per day doesn`t seem to slow the onset of estrogen buildup related side effects you may want to consider switching to a more potent AI (aromatase inhibitor), such as letrozole. And also be sure to get bloodwork done to ensure estradiol levels are within normal ranges, as the symptoms of excessively high amounts of estrogen can sometimes mirror the symptoms of excessively low amounts. It`s important to note that without getting bloodwork tests done to check your hormone levels you have no concrete way of knowing what`s going on.
Lav3ga
You need to be careful with the test estrogen balance in your body. Doubling the dose would lower your estrogen too low and most likely cause joint pain, and mood issues. Not to mention no libido. On the 500mg of test a week . 5mg of arimedex every four days is about right. Only way to know if it`s right for you is with blood tests. Your estrogen should end at the top of the normal range or even slightly higher when you are on cycle. You need estrogen to do all kinds of things including building muscle.
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I have a two-part question. 1 – The instructions for this cycle say “Starting day 1, take half of a GP Anastrozole and continue this throughout cycle”, the Cycle layout says 5mg per day, but the pills came in 1mg tablets and not enough to last the whole cycle at that quantity. Which do I follow? 2 – I ordered an oral form of Clomid as my PCT, will that be adequate or should I order the PCT pre-designed stack instead?
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T-dog
It says “0.5 mg” per day on the webpage. So just follow the guidelines they set and take ½pill (0.5mg) ED. I would do a combination of 1000iu hcg per day for 10 days after the cycle and then followed by 3-4wks of Nolva or Clomid @ 1 tab a day, the PCT stack is also a good choice.
Marty_Mar
To piggy back off of T-Dog the website says . 5 mg per day. I just started this cycle and I take half a pill in the morning the same thing with the beginners bulk cycle it’s half a pill in the morning. Depending on your level of use I would stick with pre designed stacks until you get the hang of creating a PCT that works for you. I am new to this and for years have been in the gym I have a MS in nutrition and have been studying AAS for years (undergrad in biology) I would say stick to what is safe and slowly adjust as you get comfortable. But the PCT stack is good it worked for me and I would recommend it to anyone who is using any of the beginners cycles.
big baby bear
That`s 0. 5mg per day and not 5mg per day so you`ve got enough to last you throughout the cycle. Definitely pick up the pre-designed PCT stack because you want to get your HPTA back in action as quickly as possible and you`ll feel much better as well both physically and mentally, a clomid only PCT just isn`t enough to get the job done.
N88
half a pill is 0.5 mgs not 5. I guess its hard to see the dot or they forgot to add it in there. Im sure you figured it out by now
nickname_537
.5mg is half a pill. Not 5! That is way too much. Again it`s .5mg. Remember not to use too much. Your body needs a certain amount of estrogen as a man as well!
Swoll,onthe,low
You can split tablets in half to lower the dose. You will want to take .5adex EOD and clomid I take as a pct 25mg per day
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Was thinking of adding T3 and Masteron to this cycle would that be a good idea? Or does anyone recommend any other cutting compound along with something to harden the muscles to give them the stage presence I need.
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evan johnson
Yes the t3 would accelerate your fat loss and the masteron would give you a more stage-ready hardened look on stage. Proviron comes to mind in terms of giving you a more stage-ready physique. Combined with the masteron you added and winstrol already in the stack you should be good to go.
SocalJuicer
The stanozolol included with this stack is a DHT compound that is already adding the “hardening” effect that Masteron would offer, so adding that isn`t really going to help much. T3 or Clenbuterol are both good choices for fat loss, which will be the greatest impact on your overall stage presence and physique. But these are not compounds that you can just throw into a stack (they are NOT steroids), they have to be carefully administered and timed, typically at the end of a cut to get the final few percentage points of body fat off. Finally no compound will fix a poor diet, so make sure you put your primary focus on that, as it is the single greatest factor.
Vincent Valentine
Adding T3 and Masteron for pre-contest sound good, and along with the compounds in the beginner`s cut cycle should help solidify your physique. If you really wanted to go the extra mile you could add in some EQ (so long as you can withstand the hunger it elicits during your cut) for increased muscle fullness and vascularity and Clen to compliment the T3 and further aid in fat burning.
big baby bear
Masteron is a great addition to any contest cycle because it helps block the action of estrogen thereby helping you to lose even more fat and of course it dosent aromatize into estrogen itself. Masteron will also help keep you muscles full looking and increase the amount of glycogen you hold, its a classic cutting stack addition and if youre going on stage then adding it can only be a plus. T3 is also awesome stuff but not mandatory. Starting at a lower dose of 25mcg per day and tapering up can help you burn more calories if need it but your contest diet and cardio should be doing most of the work.
Jordan
Yeah it’s a great idea. The only thing I would change (if you’re up for it) is to add tren ace. Test, tren, masteron, and t3 cut me up and I was still eating a fair amount of junk. The winny will “polish” off those gains and give you a better look. This stack is great, but you can really change your physic if you add in those compounds. It’s not a good stack to use if you are higher in body fat, so you’d have to be in decent shape to really notice anything with winny. Focus on that diet and cardio, run tren and test, dabble with t3 and/or Clen then run winny once your leaner and you will look great!
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Purchased this cycle for my first along with the PCT stack. Someone had answered that you can start HCG the last 5 weeks, but how long and what dosages after cycle? Or is it for just the last 5 weeks and then start clomid and nolva?
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SocalJuicer
HCG should NOT be run during PCT, as it will actually hamper your recovery. Simple start HCG at 500iu per week at the beginning of your cycle (250iu injected twice on Sunday and Thursday for example), and run until the end of your cycle. Do not exceed the recommended dosages (more affords no benefits), as this can actually cause issues. With regard to PCT, since the ester on this product is the short acting propionate, you only need to wait 3 days to begin PCT. Good luck!
Lav3ga
The above response is one common method of utilizing HCG. However if you prefer to use the HCG at the end of the cycle (this is my preference) it is used for the last ten days on cycle. Example: because you are using fast (short ester) gear you need only 3 days after your last pin before you are ready for PCT. As stated above, DO NOT USE HCG WHEN USING SERMS TO RECOVER. This will not allow you to fully recover. Because your SERMS start three days after last pin, HCG would be started 7 days BEFORE last pin. 1000iu would be used daily for 10 days and then SERMS would be used for the remainder of recovery.
J.P.
Using HCG during post cycle therapy is kind of getting to be an obsolete methodology. There are places where it is still reccommended, and even some science that can be understood to support doing so. However, the most current science all points to how HCG use can hinder, or even inhibit recovery. So best to leave HCG for the last segment of a cycle and discontinue upon starting your post cycle therapy. As far as at what dose to run the HCG, 250 to 500iu per week has become the standard. There are some rare occasions that I`ll have someone use a much higher dose, but this is typically due to the person poorly planning. Even then I`ll have them discontinue once PCT is initiated.
Chris M
You can start HCG the last 5 weeks for sure! But NEVER during your PCT! HCG raises estrogen big time and you definitely dont want that going into PCT. 250iu every 3-4 days will be plenty. And stop it when you take your last shot of prop before PCT. Just make sure you keep your diet clean and run your AI with it as well.
Phillip
It`s not recommended to run HCG during your PCT, it`s more of a cycle support and bridge into PCT. I would do as you said, 5 weeks of cycle.. dosing 250×2 per week and then start your clomid/nolva PCT.
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I just started my cycle today but can only run for 6 weeks because I am going out of town can I start the Stan From day one?
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SocalJuicer
YES, you absolutely CAN start the stanozolol /winstrol from day one in the situation you described. The reason why this cycle layout prescribes waiting until week three is because a C-17 oral like Stanozolol CAN ONLY BE RUN FOR 6 WEEKS MAXIMUM, as they are very taxing on the liver. As long as you don`t exceed the 6 weeks, you are fine! Anytime you take an alkylated oral steroids, its prudent to take liver support supplements such as milk thistle, NAC, etc.
Matthew
Yes, you for sure can start youre I strolled day one. Some people love starting cycles with orals because it adds an almost KICK START ayo your cycle. This is because it flows into your system faster than esters would so it almost hits your blood levels instantly. I recommend starting any cycle with a kick start of some kind of oral.
J.P.
You can run it from day one. Just make sure you`re using a cycle support type supplement that`ll aide in organ health. The reason the prescribed protocol has users waiting a while to start is due to toxicity. That said, if you`re going out of town and cannot run anything, does that also mean you are unable to run a post cycle therapy? If that is the case then I`d stop the cycle right now and save it for when time is more in your favor. Another point to consider is do you really want to be dealing with post cycle therapy symptoms while out of town?
Chris M
Of course! Typically you should only run Stan for 6 weeks tops anyway. I ran this exact cycle last summer and got great results! However i split the Stan dosage into 2 different doses a day (20mg in am, 20mg in pm/preworkout) and then increased to 60mg a day for the final 2 weeks. If you keep your diet in check you will love your results!
Phillip
Yes, you can run winny from day 1. The only reason it`s timed the way it is in the cycle layout is to get the best possible blood levels for test before throwing it in. But test prop doesn`t take to long to be at it`s peak for your blood levels.. all in all you`re fine if you start at day 1 with oral winny.
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When should I start my PCT after last admission?
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TB40
Since this stack includes short acting Test prop and winstrol, you can simply start your PCT (post cycle therapy) 2-3 days after your last pin. Make sure to run for a least 28 days. A good reccomended PCT is nolva at 40mg every day for weeks 1-2, and 20mg per day for weeks 3-4.
J.P.
Propinate has a half life of of about 3 days, which is when you`ll ideally begin post cycle therapy. It`s been a while since I personally used testosterone propinate, but when I did I would actually begin PCT on day 2 or even the same day as my last injection. Maybe it`s all just witch craft but I seemed to recall not experiencing the typical annoying symptoms of beginning pct when overlapping a little.
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Ok i asked a question hasnt been answered yet but i have been studying in and out on here so if i purchase the beginners cutting cycle along with mesterolene. Will that help for pct?
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SocalJuicer
No, that will NOT get the job done for PCT. In order to complete a post cycle therapy, you need to also purchase Nolvadex (generic name tamoxifen) and take 40 mg per day for the first two weeks, 20 mg per day for weeks 3-4 (perhaps five weeks in you run a longer cycle). Alternatively you could run clomid at 100mg per day for the first two weeks, 50mg per day for weeks 3-4. Please note that Clomid has a much greater likelyhood of side effects, so most suggest Nolva.
Phillip
Proviron alone is a very mild AI. It`s meant for very low aromatization and technically there is some debate if it`s truly an “AI”.. it`s more of an on-cycle preventative measure that you take every day.If you`re going the proper PCT route nothing beats Aromasin/Clomid/HCGThough this cycle layout above does in face seem mild as far as how you`ll aromatize, I would suggest having the more heavy hitting AI`s on hand because you`re new and you don`t know how your body will react. It`s best to have it on hand in case of the “oh shit” moment instead of your saving grace be another order that could take some time to arrive.
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if I am already on trt prescription. Can I just get the extra stuff I need or would I need to buy everything in this stack? also being on trt already once the cycle is done how do I need to go about doing a pct?
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evan johnson
Yes you can do that although it would not be test prop and as you can see buying the stack gets you a discount so I would consider staying on the trt and buying the “cut stack” anyway.
Mike Jones
Being on trt I hope you have a good enough doctor that prescribes you anastrozole with your test to combat estrogen effects, if so then all you’d need for this cycle would be the winstrol which is fairly cheap to buy if not then this would be a good cycle because it provides the extra test. After your cycle is over you wouldn’t need a traditional pct you would just need to go back to your trt dose and take your ai of choice every day until your estrogen levels goes back down then you can go back to eod if your even take one at all.
Archangel
I would like to start by saying. Give up the test 200 you get from the doctor. And purchase a Test 250 Enanthate. If you are just wanting this for trt give 1cc every other week. Or do a half cc every week. Your blood levels will stay consistent. No need in a pct if you are on trt as the doctor will give you the shot or whomever all year. Just keep an eye on your estrogen build up and you may want to purchase some Arimadex. If you are wanting to add muscle but stay in a great range of test in your body. I highly recommend 1cc a week.
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Could you combine Deca with this to do a lean bulk?
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Mike Jones
You could, but even “lean bulking” will mean you need to be in a caloric surplus, which negates the use of cutting compounds but Deca/test/var or mhn would be a good choice of cycle for lean bulk.
Dan Drought
You can get cut on any steroid as long as your diet is in check.
Eddie Haul
Yes as long as your diet is in check your good to go.
David France
As long as your nutrition is on point I don’t see why not.
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Does this cycle require the additional purchase of PCT to prevent shutdown? Or does anastrozole do the the job with this cycle?
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Scott
There is no PCT in this stack.
Mike Jones
Yes this cycle will require a pct, any cycle with test or test replicating aas will shut down your natural production this is just the compounds for cutting. With this cycle I’d suggest Nolvadex and/or clomid for 4-5 weeks at 40/40/20/20 or clomid 100/100/50/50 adex will not act as pct adex is an ai that mitigates any effects that the high estradiol levels cause from high testosterone levels, for hpta restart you need a serm (nolva/clomid) and to be safe you could always use hcg for the last 5weeks of your cycle at 250iu twice a week to help prime your hpta for natural production.
TB-40
Anatrozole is an Aromatase Inhibitor (controls estrogen) and will NOT suffice for PCT.Novladex / Tamoxifen is reccomended, take 40 mg per day for the first two weeks, 20 mg per day for weeks 3-4 (perhaps five weeks in you run a longer cycle). Alternatively you could run clomid at 100mg per day for the first two weeks, 50mg per day for weeks 3-4. Please note that Clomid has a much greater likelyhood of side effects, so most suggest Nolva.
Muscles
None of the given answers are wrong. But everybody needs to keep in mind that it depends on whether you`re cruising or blasting. .. (blast and cruise), in either event a pct is not required. Some are of the rightful opinion that cycles and pcts are a roller coaster ride and not healthy for your body. Many do a heavy cycle and then cruise on trt doses so they`re never doing pct. But if pct must be done then Nolvadex is a good option, and hcg if you`d like.
N88
Anatrozzole is an AI taking on cycle primarily. You still need to get a PCT when you come off if you are not on TRT.
Swoll,onthe,low
Get PCT from 24roids as you will need to run regular pct protocol to be safe
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Is this half injection and half pills? Or is there an all pills option?
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James Miller
What do you mean? This is all you need for a complete beginners cutting cycle.
anonymous_678
Is this Beginner Cycle injected or taken orally?
James Miller
Bro you shouldn`t be using steroids at all. There is Test Prop in this cycle and its an injectable.
Mike Jones
Yes technically it is half inject, half pills. There’s only 2 aas compounds the test and winni. Adex is an ai to mitigate and negative effects from high estrodial levels. ALL CYCLES you need test as a base if you aren’t ready to take test injections stay away from gear until you are, but if you want painless injections, use a drawing needle and backload 32g insulin needles for injections in the delts or quads and heat the test before injecting and there won’t be any pain, any all oral cycles will shut down your test production and toxify your liver and don’t forget you will need pct with this cycle for when you come off.
nickname_537
Please read more. You should know winny is winstrol. Pills are bad for you. However as long as you limit your winstrol cycle to no more than 4-6 weeks and no higher than 50mg per day you should be ok but not guaranteed. Liver problems don`t make you feel bad or feel pain until the damage is finally irreversible. Look a lot use orals, just keep it 4-6 weeks and do an oral cycle maybe 2 or 3 times per year with a couple months off in between at least. Many deaths from liver failure are by those who use only oral steroids for several months in a row up to a couple years of more non stop. Liver damage has no symptoms until its too late. Injectable are safer, a lot safer, much, much safer because they do not strain the liver, they bypass the liver because you`re directly injecting it into your muscles. Winny comes in tablet and injection. Winstrol is the only one where the injections also strain your liver but other injectable steroids don`t. Please read up on steroids. Don`t ever think (I`m not saying you are) that tablets are safer because injections seem more “drug” like. It is not true. Injectable are safer (except winstrol injections).
N88
Test is injection and the rest is pills. There is an all pill version but it`s not as effective and can be dangerous to your health. Stick with this
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How many units of the beginners cut cycle do I need to complete a 10 week cycle? Do I need to order an additional PCT or is the Anastrozel sufficient
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anonymous_327
All you need is (1) order of this stack and it will provide your 10wks.
Mike Jones
Depending on your goals 1 should be fine. It will only last you 8 weeks so if you wanted to run a 12 week get 2 and up the doses by half of original and it will last 12. Yes this cycle will require a pct, any cycle with test or test replicating aas will shut down your natural production this is just the compounds for cutting. With this cycle I’d suggest Nolvadex and/or clomid for 4-5 weeks at 40/40/20/20 or clomid 100/100/50/50 adex will not act as pct adex is an ai that mitigates any effects that the high estradiol levels cause from high testosterone levels, for hpta restart you need a serm (nolva/clomid) and to be safe you could always use hcg for the last 5weeks of your cycle at 250iu twice a week to help prime your hpta for natural production.
nickname_537
If you want a 12 week cycle you need to buy one more. This seems like it will cover 8 weeks. As per pct it`s good to have clomid and hcg. Some Nolvadex or arimidex at hand is good in case of high estrogen that`ll cause gynocomastia (man boobs). But EVERYBODY is different and you might not need an estrogen blocker. I never use them and don`t need them. You might not or you might. Have it on hand though. As per pct if you`re blasting and cruising you won`t need it because after a heavier cycle called a blast you`re running a lighter cycle with 200mg test or so to maintain gains and keep your testosterone levels up. Some opt this actually. Thars what I do. Many are of the logical opinion that cycling on and off and doing pct is a roller-coaster ride on the body and can be harsh. I hope this info helps.
N88
Its already laid out for 10 weeks. .. .so just one. Also yes you need PCT. .. .run Nolva and clomid for 4 weeks. .. .. 40/100 for two then 20/50 for two
Swoll,onthe,low
These cycles are later out how to run it.follow protocol and you can order pct pills to be safe
Joe Longo
Clomid 1 tablet every day nolvadex 20mgs Ed HCG 200mg every other day run all this for 2 weeks after cycle is completed