How many mg`s a day of winni do you recommend with my test e for my first cycle?
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Poppy User profile
60-70 Mg would be a good starting point. Hopefully it`s an oral. The injectable burned awful bad when pinned. After that I just drink the winny instead. Stay swole!!
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Zach Linder User profile Expert
Hi CL796, 50mg is more than enough. I wouldn`t run winny for more than 4 weeks. Winny`s half life is around 9 hours, so be sure to dose multiple times throughout each day. You want to be leaner when taking winny, you will see little to no benefit from taking it above maybe 12% body fat. If it was my first cycle, I would just stick to test only (maybe 350mg per week). You do what you want, just make sure to have your AI, SERM, and PCT ready. Expect orders to take some time too. Mine are taking 50+ days to arrive. Good luck and plan accordingly
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crazy Dan User profile Expert
Since you have a 50mg tab i would recommend you take 50mg a day. But you should take it at the latter half of the cycle. TestE 500mg a week split it into 250mg per pin. Go on a 12 weeks cycle. Get your diet dial in! eat clean and lean. At start of week 7, take one tab on winny ed until week 12. Wait 2 weeks then start your pct. Good luck buddy! Don`t forget to vote.
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RldlHolyfield User profile
From my own experience, here is what I recommend….Do not use winstrol on your first cycle. You should get great gains without it.However, since you asked, here is the answer. On your first cycle, if you really want to take winny for some reason, I would start with 20mg for week 1, 30mg for week 2, 40mg for week 3, 40-50mg for week 4, 50mg for week 5.I personally like to do 2 deload weeks afterwards, but this is just my preference, haven`t seen any science around it or anything. For deload week 6 would be 30mg, and week 7 would be 10mg.
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POOKIE2 User profile
Standard effective dose is 50 mgs daily but start lower at 25 mgs for the first week then bump up from there. Really its trial and error on finding what dose works for you. Try 25 and see how it goes and up the dose as needed. Good luck….stay swole!
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Doing a winstrol only cycle. what should my pct be. i`m cutting down and getting to low body fat, with the help with some clen when i get around 13-10 percent. 145-50 lbs. wrestling trying to be like bruce lee
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NPC LIFE User profile
No no and no. Do not do winny v only cycle. Your test will be shut off. Especially if you are wrestling. If you do winny you must do test or don`t even bother. Trust me you will be better off staying natural. Forget about sex. You will ruin your junk for a long time. Be safe and good luck.
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Mr.smith User profile
If you are already over 15 percent body fat clen and win won’t take you down anymore. It means you are kinda chubby and a direct reflection of you calorie surplus. Drugs won’t change that. You need to eat less calories then you burn. The clen and win might help you burn a few hundred but without a good diet that’s not going to do anything. To answer your question, the pct is the same as a real cycle. Hcg and nova.
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Juice24roids User profile Expert
You are going to get a lot of people here warning you not to do that. Winny or any oral alone is not good for your body`s functioning. Test is just about required for a proper cycle. A proper PCT is nova and clomid
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anonymous255 User profile
This is a terrible plan. A winstrol only cycle isn’t going to help you achieve your goals. Hire a trainer and achieve your goal body fat with proper diet and training. During this time learn more about steroids and then do a proper testosterone cycle if you still think it’s a good idea.
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Thahn User profile
Easy, nolvadex at 40/40/20/20 – that’s 40mg per day for weeks1-2, 20mg per day for weeks 3-3
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YD1 User profile
Hey. I would definitely reconsider this method. Its bot a good plan. At least throw in some trt dose in the mix or even just 250mg/week pinned once a week if you dont like needles. Good luck.
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so i got anavar and winstrol oral, thinking of taking 50mg of winny for 5-6 weeks then go to the doc to get a prescription for test, then go on a nolvadex pct. any flaws or improvements?
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Juice24roids User profile Expert
SARMs can also crash your test so you can have 2 low-T blood works–I assume that`s what you`re trying to do? Generally people are against running anything without a test base. Nolva and clomid together are a good PCT. Good luck
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Matthew User profile
Yes. Get test first. Get testE or testCyp on 24roids then start your cycle at 400mg a week. Pin twice a week at 200mg per pin. Var or winny by themselves will not get you what you want. Now do testE only for 12 weeks. Then pct for a month. Then 3 months later fire it up again. If you want to add var then go ahead BUT I wouldn`t. Var will lean you out but you must have the muscle and diet dial in first. That is usually takes 3-4 cycles in. Var should be taken in the back end of the cycle. That`s what I m doing now!!
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Drew User profile
I would be adding some test cyp or enathate at 500mgs a week.
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Mr.T User profile
I assume you are trying to blower your test because you don’t think youll get the trt without doing that. Won’t the dr notice that your trt rebounded on the next blood work he has you do? Anyway run the win and towards the dr appointment date you should have a good idea of how you feel if you think it’s lowered enough but 2 weeks out you might need to upnthe dose if you feel you need to. Keep us updated on this please.
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evan johnson User profile Expert
No improvements needed. Looks good to me bro.
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Zach Linder User profile Expert
Terrible idea man…Sure, go ahead and crash your levels, feel like shit and possibly have side effects..makes sense, right? Get test in this cycle as a base or don`t do it at all. Oral only cycles are just going to give you diminishing returns with bad sides. Be safe man, just go to the doc now…there is no real magic number associated with everyones test level…Explain to your doc what your trying to get and i`m sure they will help you…they`re in it for the money too man, don`t forget that. If they can get you on TRT, they will, but it would be foolish to start messing with your health for something that YOU DON`T KNOW is going to get prescribed to you. Good luck
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if i take oral winstrol or anavar only here and there will i be fine without using a pct, any decent results?
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skitt User profile
umm depends anavar maybe but wither way I believe both have the ability to shut you down… Also saying here and there umm I guess you can do that but it would be a complete waist of time and money… both orals are designed to be on a cycle for 6 to 8 weeks depending on the dose, also you need to get use to the idea of sticking yourself with a needle… anything you gain on any oral, will be lost with in a few months.. Injectable`s are the only thing that will be worth the time and money… Orals are there to help with the injectables and thats it really… also think of all the liver problems you can have fun with while do oral cycles… Honestly if you plan on going this route start thinking of needles or other wise its not for you bro… cold hard truth my man… Also word of advice, ya need to go do some more research.. Not trying to be rude but educate yourself if you plan on doing this… Good luck and happy cycling
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patsalos mixalis User profile
wont see much if you do not use test with it man, pct is always needed, take it from me and learn to pin
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Grut User profile
These compounds are meant to be cycled 4 to 6 weeks and preferably taken with test as a base because they will shut down your natural test production. You can run anavar longer because if it`s mild nature. You will see nothing and benefit nothing buy taking these compounds “here and there”. What does that even mean? Do more research, educate yourself and be safe.
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Test Case User profile
Let`s be honest ..the results that you are looking for you`re not going to get from that level of use ..especially if you don`t run tests with it. to be honest even if you ran test with it using it like that you`re not going to get much of a result all your results will be just from the test.. You can get away with seeing some results by running orals only.. without test.. but you`re going to wreck your system and you going to wish you ran test anyways to get the proper results.. …Sticking yourself is a huge hurdle to get over but it`s well worth it.. in your mind you might be thinking.. inject yourself with something you bought on online is less safe than orally ingesting something you bought online.. this is extremely false they both carry the same level of risk and danger..( and I`m not talkin about the actual compounds being liver toxic because orals are way more toxic to your organs then most injectables) let me say this with injectables if you do it wrong the worst level of pain I`ve experienced is about that of a bug bite.. I`m talking about initial injection pain of tge needle going in.. but 90% of the time I don`t even feel it going in…. there are needles so small that you can use I guarantee you that I can stand on a crowded train and inject people with stuff and they wouldn`t feel it..
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N88 User profile
You should be more specific on what here and there means and dosage. If you take 10.mgs one time a week I doubt you`ll get shut down enough to need a PCT. But if you take 50 mgs 5 times a week then I`m sure you will. It`s all about how suppressed you are, your age, previous exposure etc.
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Anonymous User profile
False..no matter the results good or bad, you still have to run the PCT regardless because it will shut you down.
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Winstrol only cycle with a lot of water.. thoughts?
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ovosteph User profile
Hi Marty, like Scotty asked below your question: i think test should always be used as a base. It just isn`t worth it to risk your health through the course of a cycle without ensuring you aren`t going to feel exhausted, no sex drive, and potentially shut yourself down hard. Try running 250-500mg of test/week with the winstrol, and keep your diet (including water intake) in check. good luck
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anon5_uk User profile Expert
Not a good idea. In fact, very bad idea. Like Stephen has already explained. You need an injectable base testosterone. And oral only cycles are not worth the risk vs reward when you have way better options to choose from 24roids.
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N88 User profile
Def need test to run with any oral if you wanna do it right. Running oral only cycles are temp gains and will be lost as soon as you stop. Plus you`ll be shut down
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Test Case User profile
test with everything.. nothing less than 1ml.. 250mg of C or E.. I don`t have much knowledge with P… but it should work well also.. ..
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anonymous255 User profile
It’s better to have at least 100mg of testosterone a week but orals only can and have been done by many. Go with 40mg a day for 4-6 weeks and then jump on pct.
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Mike Jones User profile Expert
Test needs to be used with any oral anabolics without it your natural production will already be shut down and your body’s endocrine system will be operating without one of the most vital hormones to the male body
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I’m going for fat loss (8-10 week cycle) and i’m going to just be on oral winstrol 50 mg a day for 5 weeks and oral anavar 10-40 mg a day for the last 5 weeks on week 5 oral clen dosing up from 25mcgnothing else. Thoughts? I cannot get ahold of injectables at the moment
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Drew User profile
I would definitely throw 500mgs of test a week into that stack for maximum results.
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nickname_21 User profile Expert
You will loose all function of you Male member. Seriously you wont be able to get it up after a week or 2 your natural testosterone will shut down and it will hinder gains and libido gone. Good luck with that it ll be about a month of pct after your cycle and you might be able to get it up. Dont run this cycle until you have test even at a low dose will be good there s so many things that will fo wrong with out it
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nickname_537 User profile
Just wait till you get testosterone because you need it as a base on all cycles. Don`t forget diet is key, even with clen. These drugs do not burn fat so much that it makes up for your diet, they just burn a little extra fat if you`re already dieting it will minutely speed up the progress, not bad for doing nothing actually. Also try not to run two orals at once. Rely on injectables mostly to save your liver, thats all. Good luck!
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anonymous255 User profile
Run 40mg of anavar only for 4-6 weeks and then jump in pct.
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Matthew User profile
Too many orals! Just use testE as a base. 200mg pin twice a week. This will give you 400mg/week. TestE will give you lean lean. Control your diet. You will lean out. Do testE for 8 weeks. The add var for another 8 weeks while continue with testE. At week 9, Var will give you. Boost in working out while leaning you out. More workout means more calories burn. Do control your diet with clean food. At week 18, start your pct of Nolva and Clomid. You will be happy with clean lean gain without all the harmful orals.
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YD1 User profile
Hey bud. You should rethink this cycle. At least throw in some testocaps (testosterone Undeconate gel caps) I also would just stick with 1 oral to test your body out. Good luck bud.
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So out of 50 winstrol anavar 10 and clenbuterol what should i take? I can’t take anytbing else at the moment they aren’t all oral
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mchilds User profile
I wouldnt take any of that alone personally. But if I had to choose I would say anavar. It has the best overall profile of safety and overall benefits. It will still shut you down so use an AI and pct. wait til you can take a base test dose though.
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Johhny User profile
Go with Anavar. I’ve had great results from an Anavar alone cycle. Stay on for about 5 weeks. Nonlonger than 6
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Bradley Ouzts User profile
Anavar. Get some TUDCA from Amazon for your liver protection. Drink a gallon of water per day at a minimum.Just remember we told you , this is not a good idea that you have.
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RJB16 User profile
Anavar for sure but as stated you will need Pct/AI .
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Zachary Hall User profile
I wouldn`t bother with the Winstrol by itself at all. Anavar would be the next best bet, However keep in kind that males dosage for anavar is generally pretty high and can get costly. Clen is alright by itself and is much cheaper, yet I don`t recommend it often because it`s fairly harsh on your body (in my experience)
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Will User profile Expert
If you`re not at least taking injectable test, then I wouldnt recommend taking any of those. You`ll lose any gains you make and you`re hurting your health for no reason.
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I’m 145 lbs i cannot use needles now and i can only do orals, i’m trying to get lean and build some muscle, i have winstrol 50 anavar 10 and clenbuterol all oral, any thoughts and cycle recommendations?
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anon5_uk User profile Expert
At 145 lbs, how much leaner do you want to get? Are you skinny fat? Of the 3 compounds you have, you can`t plan a decent cycle out of it. You`ll need to figure out a way to use needles, that`s the only way.
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Zach Linder User profile Expert
You are 145lbs, you have no business messing with any compounds what so ever. Focus on training and eating properly…..if you`re a “hard-gainer”, figure it out. You will have plenty of diminishing returns if you choose a cycle…good luck and be smart. **PEOPLE OF 24roids, BE REAL WITH HIM FOR HIS HEALTH!!**
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K.D.T User profile
Yea don`t do it if you can`t do needles then gear is not for you maybe try Sarms if you do an oral only cycle chances of hurting yourself is highly likely and with oral only cycle your not going to keep your gains oral only cycle ate a horrible idea and waist of time
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seoulmates User profile
Hi buddy, you really need to look into some higher gauge needles like 27 or 28 that may help you with the needle problem. Remember to get a drawing needle that is 18 or 20 gauge to draw the medicine from the container then switch to high gauge to inject into your muscle. High gauge makes it smaller so it doesnt hurt as bad. To get full effects you need to use needles.
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B dizzle User profile
I have been in the game for a long time and have never seen anything good from a oral only cycle u need to get over your fear of needs if u want to use steroids. But if u are going to do the oral only anyway make sure to get u some Liv 52 and take 4 a day at least good luck
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Skuchie User profile
So your in prison, and that’s why only orals…got it. Anyway, no one would ever recommend an oral only cycle, let alone with these three compounds. At 145pounds the Clen is out. It won’t help you put on muscle at all, and may even contribute to the canabolism of muscle by expending calories needed to build muscle. Also the winstrol is more of a “sidekick” to testosterone as it allows for the conversion of excess testosterone to free testosterone and is used to cut and harden as opposed to a mass builder, so your left with the Anavar. It’s only mildly anabolic and by itself, you’d need 100mg a day to notice anything close to muscle growth, which is why it’s used as a ramp to start a cycle, or a bridge to complete your cycle. So as everyone has told you, it’s ill advised to use any of these compounds in an effort to build mass. But if you could get Anadrol, while it’s extremely liver toxic, it would provide some strength and therefore muscle growth. Good luck.
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Is there any test pills? i’m not afraid of needles i’d do them if i could but for the situation i’m in right now i just have to use orals, so how should i cycle winstrol 50 anavar 10 and clenbuterol all orals, my body weigh is 145 lbs
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anon5_uk User profile Expert
No. If you can`t use needles, then don`t do any cycles until you do. Orals are way harsher on you than injectables. Oral only cycles are a waste of gains and good health.
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YD1 User profile
Hey bud. Yes there is. Andriol which is Testosterone Undeconate. That was my very first test cycle back in the day. Seach here andriol or testocaps. But to be honest with you it didnt do much. Its more for trt so if thats what you want to use it for then ok. They are expensive thats why people rather just inject and its much safer by injecting. Good luck bud.
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Zach Linder User profile Expert
You are 145lbs, you have no business messing with any compounds what so ever. Focus on training and eating properly…..if you`re a “hard-gainer”, figure it out. You will have plenty of diminishing returns if you choose a cycle…good luck and be smart. **PEOPLE OF 24roids, BE REAL WITH HIM FOR HIS HEALTH!!**
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Unc33135 User profile
There are test orals but theyre nowhere near as good as the injectables. As for whatever situation your in that you cant inject, i would just wait until the situation is over and hold on to the orals ao you could do a proper cycle. If you absolutely have it in your head that your going to do an oral only cycle with what you have then just use the anavar. At 145lbs the clen is not a good choice for you.
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anonymous255 User profile
Don’t stack these things. Go with 40mg of anavar only for 4-6 weeks and then jump on tamoxifen and clomid.
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Swolebro User profile
It`s better to inject test bro. The oral bioavailability of testosterone is like 10% or something ridiculously low. It`s not worth the time or money. Injection is the best way to go.
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I recently purchased winstrol 50, anavar 10 and clenbunterol all oral. How should I cycle them since that’s all i’m going to be using right now.
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Bswole User profile
I wouldn`t advise a oral only cycle it will trash your liver.. If u scared of needs just let a friend or someone you know stick u it`s not bad at all. I was scaired of needles now I look forward to pinning.
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LongIslandBEAST User profile
I wouldn’t. If using gear you have to take the jump and inject yourself. After years of doing it I don’t even notice the needle so it’s just those first few injections you have to get past. Oral only will tax your liver and make you feel like crap and also will suppress your testosterone production which will give you a lot of side effects. It isn’t worth the small benefit for a short time. Add at least 300mg of testosterone a week and you can use an oral but I wouldn’t use two in a single cycle either. Just my two cents.
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Bradley Ouzts User profile
IMO, this is a “not ideal ” plan you have. What is the reason for doing both Anavar and Winstrol? Are you not gonna run Testosterone with this cycle? Is it your first cycle? Don`t do any of this until you devote some time to reviewing the data from Google or wherever. Be smart. 🙂
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Mike Jones User profile Expert
I’m assuming your going to be using test with the orals right? If not you should be. As far as how to cycle them depends on the purpose of use, if for performance purposes I’d say stick with winstrol and run 100mg a day with the clen an hour before you train if it’s for fat Loss And your running a 8-10 week cycle I’d say run the winstrol at 50mg a day for the first 5 weeks and anavar at 40-50mg a day for the last 5 with clen starting at week 5 at 25mcg and dosing up every week
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Fit_mom User profile
You didn`t specify you goal or body fat percentage. The clen is not a steroid but a drug for reducing body fat. Therebare a few ways people cycle clen. Some start at 40mcg a day and work up to 120mcg a day over a few days. Then draw back down. This is done over 2 weeks. The body will become tolerant to the clen to where it isnt working any longer. Review the product description as you can hurry yourself with taking too much especially if you have a heart issue. You may not like the shaking hand side affects. Your diet must be in check as well. You not going to loose a bunch of weight with this. Clen is normally use in a curing phase when your below 10% bf. Above and your not going to see much change. Being a male your going to need 50mg a day minimum for the anavar. So unless you bought a bunch of 10mg pills your cycle will be real short. You will want to split the dose each day since the half life is short. Many men will take between 50-100 ed depending on thier goal and cycle. The winny a stronger oral than anavar same thing. Split the dose each day. Neither will give you large gains as other orals nut with a proper diet and training you can gain a little muscle. Trade the product description pages as there is good info there. Good luck
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John Rambo User profile
These all should be ran with test. Without it this is dangerous and toxic to your liver. If you are afraid of needles you aren`t ready for gear. Do some research on pinning and try to get past the needle part then stack an oral after a test only cycle.
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Morning Bros. I’m helping a buddy out with a cutting cycle and we are planning to use Winstrol for the last four weeks of his cycle. He has a very physical job and is worried about the joint pain that comes with a dry compound like Stanazolol. My thought process is to add in NPP for the last five weeks to combat this. What dose of NPP would we need, in your experience, to get the joint libricating benefits of nandrolone? Is 200mg good? Less? More? Thanks guys. Looking forward to seeing your answers and if this has been effective in your cycles before.
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Skuchie User profile
I’m currently running 70mgs of winstrol. (50mg DP Tab and 2 10mg SIS Tabs) and with that, 1cc of DP NPP 150 twice a week (300mg total) and I have no joint pain. However, I’ve run winstrol alone at 50mg and only had mild joint pain. But then again I’m not on my feet all day. So I’d say, overall, the NPP dose will depend on how his joints respond to the winstrol.
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Zach Linder User profile Expert
200mg is sufficient to achieve the joint relief benefits from NPP. Me personally, I wouldn`t add a 19NOR compound right at the tail end of a cycle. There is also no guarantee that your buddy will experience any joint discomfort at all. Everyone is different….For example, even myself running a stupid dose of 150mg per day of winny (don`t do this), I experienced zero joint pain, and the product was legit. I do like the way you would end the cycle with just winny alone. Just make sure you can control estrogen when you come off of winny and everything else. Good luck
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anon5_uk User profile Expert
You`ll need to post the whole cycle here for us to judge it. Adding Winstrol and NPP at end of cycle isn`t a very common thing to do, what is the rest the your cycle consisting of?
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K.D.T User profile
200 to 300 mgs of npp is sufficient for joint issues although he may want to consider anavar instead of Winni it much easier on the joints and is also an efficient cutting agent
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Will User profile Expert
Is your friend cutting for a competition? If not, continue his cutting cycle and don`t add winstrol. Or add it and if he gets joint pain, then remove it. I`ve never experienced joint pain on winstrol. The main reason you hear this is because people doing shows cut to super low levels of bodyfat and by the time winstrol is tossed in the cycle, they are already low levels of bodyfat that they start accumulating joint pain. This is not a result of winstrol, just the fact of having low bodyfat. My recommendation is either try it and discontinue if he gets joint pain or don`t use it at all. Shouldn`t use 1 drug to counteract the other.
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nickname_462 User profile
Not sure what oils he is planning on running, but if he is fairly lean, and diet is in check, I would think Masteron, and proviron would tighten him up pretty well, if he is worried about joint issues from Winny.