Hey all. This will be my first cycle and I was hoping for some advice on what products would be best/safest for a beginner. I`m 32, 250lbs and looking to get back in the gym. I was thinking about purchasing the basic mass starters stack….?Anything need to be added with this stack or is it good to go as is? Once again I`m a first timer and any advice/help is appreciated.
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Branko
I recommend staying away from all stacks first cycle. Just a long ester testosterone is all you should do, like test-e or test-c. You first and foremost need to get everything you can naturally with diet and training. I had awesome results with carnivore diet and 5×5 strength training program. Do that and lose at least 20lbs first, or you`ll bloat more and be susceptible to more sides. Then get test only and your PCT of nolvadex and Clomid. Do a bit more research my brother. It`s a marathon, not a sprint, and no amount of steroids will give you the body you want without proper diet and training FIRST. Good luck!
traianos123
Most of the guys will say u to do only test as first cycle, but i see that this stack is very good for a newbie, only one thing i want u to change, the Anastrozole dont use it as they say at “Cycle Layout”, u will kill the estrogen level in your body if u use this every day, u need to take Anastrozole EOD (every other day), or better twice per week. U will need to buy separate your PCT, for this Nolvadex will be good, u start 2 weeks after last pin, 40/40/20/20, if u want to have a more efficient PCT, u can pin a few times HCG before the PCT.
Pookie
Deca and test is the best cycle anyone could run but for a first cycle just do test at 400 mgs a week for 12 weeks. Then pct.
Santi
I would recommend Test only for your very first cycle. All your receptors are brand new and it’s important to understand what effects Testosterone has on you. If you use that stack and have some negative reaction, it’s impossible to know wga5 chased it. I would keep the dose low for your go as well. 250 to 375 will give you more that great results. I agree with the last post about AI. It’s not always necessary and could will counter productive if taken in larger dose
Bob
My friend most will say do test first and that’s for a reason, you have to see how your body reacts to each compind individually, also you have to leave room for more gear later on in future cycles, good luck
Mike87
Welcome! I agree with the above in that first cycle should be test only, e or c would work. 175-200mg twice a week. You want to keep it basic and only one steroid as you need to see how you body reacts to this stuff. Add one more ingredient each cycle after your first few test only. Steroids will also not help replace good eating habits and working out. They are not magic pills. Also important to have Ai and pct on hand prior to starting cycle. What is you body fat percentage? I ask because the high it is the more possible estrogen conversion. High estrogen causes things like gyno. Low estrogen is also not good as your body needs some. See how complicated this get? That`s why most suggest only test for first cycle as it`s little bit more manageable. Do a lot of research and also consider blood work before and midway through the cycle. Again welcome and good luck!
Cyclone
This biggest problem with running a “stack” of multiple compound on your first go, is that if you run into side effects, you won`t know what compound is not agreeing with your body. Much better to run 400-500mg of test cyp or enanthate for 12 weeks. This will provide dramatic results and leave room for higher dosages and more compounds on subsequent cycles.
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Is caber really necessary if I`m taking Arimidex during cycle and Clomid for PCT? Is this a good enough cycle support for the basic mass stack?
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lucas Krankowski
if you are taking deca then I would have cabaser for progesterone build up.
Joeskee
No it`s not necessary but always to have on hand just in case.
Pookie
Caber and arimidex do two different things. Arimidex balances your Estrogen Hormone and Caber balances (lowers) prolactin. With that and looking at this stack, if I`m reading it correctly you are only taking 250 mgs of deca a week right?? It is very very doubful that you will need any caber at this dose; HOWEVER its better to be safe and have it on hand.
MegaCycle
Caber, AI, and PCT are 3 completely different things. That`s like saying do I really need gas in my car if I already have transmission fluid and oil in it… please do some more research on what they are and why you need them. They are each for a different reason
Htimserd
You can get it if you feel you need it. I doubt you will need it. Sometimes these cycles that are pre built are missing pct or AI or other side effect controlling drugs, but in this case I think you should be fine without.
Barry Gibson
Caber is for prolactin but b6 works too at like 500mg week. Ai is for estrogen. You might or may not need either it depends on the individual side effects.
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I would like to purchase One of these pre-designed stacks My first question is does it come with syringes? Second question is would you recommend adding Clomid To this for PCT?
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Mike89
Unfortunately it does not come with syringes. As for clinic, I would have some in hand for emergency gynecologist symptoms and possibly add to the pct.
Jd D
No syringes come with any orders yes clomid is good for pct
Dan
This is a great stack in you`ve pin deca already and know what you are prone to as far as prolactin. so make sure you get Caber as well. It will definitely give you sizes. And with all gear that shut your natty test down you always need to get clomid to restart your testes back. This doesn`t come with pins nor syringe. Get 3ml with 1.5″ 25g needle and pin in the glute. Good luck!
Big Dogg
You sound like you`ve never used or ordered any AAS before. Just buy Testosterone (enanthate or cypionate) , Tamoxifen, Clomid, and Exemastane. Use the test at 250mg 2x/week. Use the exemastane and/or Nolva as needed for estrogen/gyno sides. Use clomid amd Nolva for PCT. You can buy syringes anywhere. Amazon or just google it. Research before you start.
jason
You will need clomid, syringes, and ideally some hcg also for your pct. should have caber if you are prone to prolactin issues also.
Htimserd
It`s always better to pct then not to pct. there will be no syringes.
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When will more of this stack be in stock?
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S-C-J
This is an end user forum, you would need to contact support directly to get this answer. In many cases though, they are hesitant to provide details due to the nature of UGLs.
Jd D
No one knows here contact 24roids
nickname_88
It is amazing how much this type of question shows up on this forum. We don`t know bud, no one on here can tell you that. You have to contact 24roids customer service.
Jonathan
I`m normally positive things will be up and restocked within a couple weeks. However with delays of transport between European countries it might be a month.
Cameron
It takes some time for things to get up, but for the most part they aren`t down for more than a few weeks. They just reloaded the sit so it may be another 3 weeks or ao
Taylor
Your best bet is to open up a chat with 24roids and ask them.
chris green
Don`t ask 24roids support. They will not have an answer as they`ll just tell you a few weeks and working to get it back in stock. That`s Taylor`s a sweet to everything. “Ask someone else.” Smit takes a couple weeks to a month
Open
We can`t answer that. Create a ticket with 24roids
Htown
Contact 24roids directly. They should be able to point you in the right direction.
Juice24roids
Hey Travis, people ask these questions all the time and the same answer is no one here knows. Even 24roids doesn`t know often times. I will guess it will be back within a month. Thanks for the question
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I usually take amphetamine 20mg, when starting this cycle do I stop take the aderall?
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Stephen Jefferson
Me personally I love Adderall from dragon pharma not only will it help with cardio , it will make you a beast in the gym especially on leg day
Lord
If you`re prescribed it then I would go by what your doctor tells you to do. I take aderall preworkout sometimes soi don`t get used to preworkout powders. Personal preference. If you were to cycle clen within the cycle it`s very similar.
Unc33135
Im not a doctor but just my opinion is i dont think these drugs are going to interact so you should be fine. Ive taken adderall in the past with no problems.
mic
Should be fine i believe just take liver support and stay safe bro
BigOlRed
I would because it is going to dehydrate you and it will keep you from getting bigger as faster it takes your metabolism up so fast that you will burn muscle as well
Mike
No need but it`s hrs to keep your appetite up on adderall. If your bp does go up in it you shouldn`t be taking it especially if it goes up while on cycle
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how do I properly run pct?, last time I ran cycle once I came off I felt down, really tired like a crash .
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Pookie
Depends on cycle strength and length. Mild cycles Nolva and/or Clomid works ….take daily at 40 mgs/day for two weeks-20 mgs daily last two weeks and/or clomid at 100mgs/day for two weeks- 50 a day for last two weeks. Both 4 weeks. Anything stronger blast HCG 750/750/750/750/500/500/500/500 EOD starting 2 days BEFORE last pin and run until starting nolva and/or clomid dosing
JMann
I love how people admit to not running pct and crashing. So the next cycle they run, they do the same thing, it just amazes me what people will do to their body and health with Zero research.
Lord
PCTHCG 18 days after last shot750 mcg EOD – 4 days 500 mcg EOD – 3 days 250 mcg EOD- 2 days Nolva/Clomid start 1 week after HCG/25 days after last shot2 per day for 14 days1 per day for 14 days
Stephen Jefferson
Proviron 50/day novadex 40/40/30/30 clomid 50/50/40/40/30/30 enhanced athlete blue ox test booster
Unc33135
Clomid nolva and hcg are the usual pct meds. I personal like hcg and can run just that for pct to get my test levels back.
pat
clomid nolvadex and hcg, that feeling comes with territory unfortunately
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Can I run test for a little bit longer after this cycle or should I go straight to pct ?
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GainsVille_85
You could run it longer. If you’re not considering TRT then yes you would want to start a PCT after the cycle. Give time for the long esters to clear before you start your PCT meds.
Dr Scott
I will very frequently run cycles longer or shorter than the norm. There really are no rules, just things that others have found to work in the majority of people-guidelines really. It really comes down to how you feel, and better yet get some labs, if your liver,kidneys cholesterol, BP are all within acceptable limits then run it. I have been doing this long enough to tell when shit is out of whack (like dull pain under my lower rib cage tells me my liver is becoming inflamed and i am fucking up) but i still get lab work pretty frequently. But if you are unsure or dont get labs, probably best to stay within reasonable limits.
Swoll,onthe,low
You sure can I would personally but to each is own,ide go 3 or 500mg for a while or trt
Mary Wagner
You definitely want start pct. Your body needs time to get off so it`s just not use to receiving test all of the time. After awhile of staying on test will lose its effectiveness.
Lord
If you`re just starting out and this is your first or second cycle I would go straight to pct.
nickname_21
You could run test the rest of tour life if you want to although at a lower dosage say 200mg week
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Currently running this and was thinking of cruising at a lower dose after how do I go about it ?
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Cornpop_RobertBiden
Really bad idea. First perform your PCT of Clomid 100mg per day and HCG at 500iu 3X per week with 10mg Tamoxifen. One month later be sure to have your magnesium and vitamins on point. Get a complete lab test for $300. You will thank yourself years later. Once the results return consider DHEA for 30 days and re test. Never jump on TRT. It is always best to come off everything twice per year while managing your CBC etc.
mike
If you want to stay on trt go 150-200mg weekly but better to get doctor to allow it, how old are you btw
bob
If you have low t or older can cruise on 200mg weekly but better to visit doctor. better to come off though
Matt Beard
As above best to do it officially if you can. It will depend obviously on your age and T levels. once you start its a lifelong commitment.
JMann
If you are committed to blast and cruise then you will just do a replacement testosterone dose, if it is doctor approved then 100-200mg a week. If you are implementing your own protocol, then you can go a little higher to cruise. I would get some blood work in between, or after your blast, if you are not being monitored by a professional.
MegaCycle
Start a cruise on test e or test c at 100-150. Most people only need around 100 or so to start around normal levels. The goal is to cruise where you don`t need AI to let your body recover.
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starting this as my 3rd cycle, if I do my test shoot ever Monday and Thursday can I also do my deca shoot same days or should I choose different days ? also for the turan days 4 weeks however they send for only 25 days if taken 40 mg a day
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Lorddrip
Run the deca and the test same shot just do your math and do the same dosing your glue can handle it for sure it`s just easier then a bunch of different shots good luck
JD Cycle
You can do same day, same syringe. I use a 21 or 22g to draw in then switch to a 25g to pin both simultaneously. You can mix oil-based with oil-based fine. Just don`t mix water/oil.
Heynow
Same day in same syringe. Makes things much easier
Dan
Same day and same syringe. No need to pin twice.
Don O
As said before, just do it on the same day in the same syringe, as for the tbol, three fewer days isnt the end of the world, just use em all up.
MegaCycle
You can do the same day. I don`t like doing the same needle just because it end up mixing some back into the bottle of the 2nd one. Needles are cheap enough to just do 1 of each.
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I know that this is a broad question that depends on a lot variables but around how much of a size increase will this stack give me? Right now I`m 22 years old, 200 pounds, 5`10″, 17″ arms, 47″ chest, workout 6 days per week.
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Michael Vasquez
What`s the stack?
Drew
It all depends on your diet and how hard you work out. You can easily gain 10 pounds 20 pounds I just depends how much dedication you have.
nickname_464
Not to bust your bubble mate, but at you age the most you should consider is maybe a testosterone only cycle. Unless you plan on trying to go pro and this is going to be something you will do forever (taking aas), don`t go down that road. Your body should be full of GH and test right now. Increase your calories and take in a gram of protein for every pound in body weight, get proper sleep and you should be growing daily! Your growth depends on those three things primarily. If your dead set on starting down the aas road look up test only cycles and proper PCT. Hope this helps, best of luck mate.
nickname_21
So many factors. Is this your first cycle? How long have you been lifting natural. What is your calorie intake. What`s your calorie out put. Hiw dedicated are you? What`s your routine like? In general I would probably put on 1 2 or maybe 3. Eating clean for 12 weeks but if its first cycle you might put on 20 lbs maybe keep half. Steroids are not a miracle drugs they help an already strong built athlete to the next level but it almost takes twice as much work diets gkt tone spot on and everything else. It`s up to you how much you gain. Are you counting calories . ? If your bulking start out at 500 calories above maintence and every week increase a little to keep gaining.
Barry Gibson
For 22 just do test only. But honestly, I`d wait till 25 at least because your endocrine system still matures in your twenties.
JD Cycle
You could put 20-30 if done right. But honestly, you`ll do 20-30 if you just did a test only cycle and you`d be far better off long term. People stack later cycles because the more cycles you do, the less effective the chemicals are. You`re CNS and physical musculature can only gain so much and a test only cycle as your first will achieve this.
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I just started my cycle today which means I`ll be injecting Tuesdays and Fridays. I messed up and shot 1ml. of deca instead of .5 ml. which means I shot the week`s worth. Do I skip Friday`s deca injection or do I just cut the deca 1 injection short at the end of the cycle?
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If it was me, I`d just skip Fridays injection and start over again next week at .5 Tuesday and .5 Friday. You`ll be fine. I`ve done that a few times, lol.
Lord
Deca has a long half life. I would just skip Fridays injection and continue with your twice a week injections next week.
Big B
I would skip the next injection for this week. And then resume the two injections a week like you planned next week.
Super DadS69
I would just act like nothing happened its deca and not tren its slow acting and will not affect you at all plus you always want to maintain steady blood levels. Never skip an injection. Roll on brother
Nickname_562
Been there bro it happens, leave the deca injection for next week no need to add more till tuesday
Big Dogg
Continue your cycle as planned (inject deca Friday). Your cycle is only 10 weeks and deca has a long half life. You`re probably better doing it that way with a front load. I would say inject another 1ml on Friday. Decanoate has a half life of about a week. So one week from Tuesday you will still have half the first injection still in your muscle unused. If you frontload you`ll get it built up ato a useable dose faster. It will still be being released weeks after the test is gone. If it was me that what I would do. You`ll have better results from your cycle that way. You just wont inject deca the last week but it will still be built up in your muscle and still being released. I always front load really long esters (deca and eq) with double the dose first week or 2.
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Whatsup guys, currently running this cycle I wanted to know when should I take the basic PCT?,I know it says a week post last injection however I see different info on that on a few sites. Any recommendations how I should go about it ?, thanks in advance !
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Drew
I would start your pct two weeks after your last injection. Clomid 100/100/50/50 nolvadex 40/40/20/20
Siggs
You can start you PCT a week before your last pin. Start at 1 week before with hcg at 250iu 3x per week for 3 weeks total. At 1 week after start a clomid/nolvadex cycle like listed above. This is the best pct you can do. If you don`t want to do the hcg just start a week after your last pin with clomid/nolvadex.
Cyclone
One week is too soon, start after 12-14 days, and run Nolva at 40/40/20/20, no need to run multiple compounds.
traianos123
I start PCT after a week minimum, u can start even after 2 weeks from the last pin. I use for PCT Nolvadex 40/40/20/20, u can use also Clomid.
Big Dogg
3 weeks after the last deca shot. That ester has a 2 week half life. You could go 4 weeks past if you did your last test shot a week after the last deca. You dont want to go more than 3 weeks past the last test shot before you start.
nickname_464
Depending on the ester used you can start anywhere between one to two weeks. I like to start ten days after last injection. Best of luck mate.
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Hey guy, looking to get this stack but need guidance on what size pin is the best.
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skitt
I really does depend on a few things.. I personally use a 25g 1 inch and shot in the glute with no problem at all but I also have a good body fat percentage so that helps make it easier for me.. but usually others will do 25 to 23 gauge at 1 inch to 1 1/2 inch for injections… now if you would like pick up some 18 gauge for drawing.. Makes it way easier.. good luck an happy cycling
Lord
I would use a 25×1 or a 23×1
Harry
Best to use two pins. A 20guage to load and a 23 or 25 guage to inject. However I prefer buying 22 guages to load and pin with. Just make sure you load and pin with two different pins to keep sterile
patsalos mixalis
For glute I use 23g 1.5 inch. If you have low bf 25g one inch also works
nickname_458
I use a 23×1 to draw and 25×1 to pin, for people with higher BF % it 1.5in pins for deep IM.
LongIslandBEAST
1” 25g for deltoids and 1.5” 23g for glutes and vastus lateralus.
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Is it at all possible to actually talk to one of you guys that knows a lot about all of this? maybe through email or something like that? i just want to talk everything over with someone and see what dosages and precautions are right for me. i feel like 500mg test and 250 deca will be a lot for me but i just dont know.trixedballa2009 gmail.com
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Matthew
Go slow. Don`t do anything that you are uncomfortable with. Everyone here at some point felt or asked themself “should I add Tren ? should I increase 4 more weeks? etc.” No one here can fully explain to you on YOUR response to aas. You must first read up on the gear. Don`t just take our advices “blindly”. Also, last time I posted my email on here, some one tried to hack in to my account. Just a FYI. There`s good peeps here but a few not so good. No offense y`all.
RJB16
Good advice, Also it has so many variables on what you are trying to accomplish along with diet and many many other factors. Experts on here have been really good.
novadesert007
It says basic stack but I would stick with 500 of Test for now. See how it goes first then do Deca next cycle. You can buy lots of Test for cheap on POW
skitt
Got to agree with the other comments.. If you are only a cycle or two in and you feel its to much I would cut down the test a little but that is just me and everyone is different… my second cycle that I ever did was test and deca and honestly I didn`t do a whole lot I was on for 12 weeks and did 300mg of test with 200mg of Deca and still ended up with 20lbs when all said and done.. but was still a lot of training and good food soo.. again you would be surprised as to how effective lower doses can be.. but kinda have to guinea pig yourself and find the right dose if you understand what I mean… start low and work your way up to were you feel comfortable with out sides… good luck and happy cycling
Skuchie
I`d be leary of giving your personal information in this forum. It only takes one bad apple, and this site is international and therefore could open you up to problems considering the individual who responds to your email is a complete stranger to you and should be treated as such. However, for the most part, those individuals who respond to questions, like myself, have done gear going on 15 years and have learned everything through our own research and trial and error. Which is why we`ve learned what works for our bodies, and what doesn`t. It also allows us to provide a generalized body of knowledge to those less knowledgeable on this subject. But even then, our recommendations should be taken with a grain of salt, and should be only a starting point for your own research. You would be better served to get a coach from your local gym, who you can meet with personally, and go from there. Good luck.
BABA
Start with test only at 300-500 mg/week for 12-16 weeks. Have ancillaries and PCT on hand before starting the cycle. No need for the deca.
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This stack was my first purchase from this site and it`s been 8 days since I placed my order. The very next day I got a notification that my money had been picked up. Never got a tracking number and site said it hasn`t been shipped. I feel like I got scammed. Did i?
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John Rambo
You just gotta be patient. 24roids will take care of you. If after a while it still hasn`t shipped open up a ticket with 24roids and they`re help you out. You will not get ripped off
Lord
No, my order just said the same thing. It takes a few days to be marked paid. Then it takes a few more to get tracking info. I`ve placed over 20 orders and 24roids always came through. Even if things got lost or seized they always made it right.
Swolebro
It takes them a while to update shipping. Sometimes it won`t update at all and it`ll end up at your doorstep. It took 4 days for mine to show paid and then 5 more days to show shipped. Then I didn`t get another update until it was delivered. 24roids will not scam you. Be patient.
ddc2025
I`ve been ordering from 24roids.org for over 2 years and for my friends too. Sometimes it takes about a week or more to get the tracking number from which ever distributor the order was send by. You also have to take into consideration the number of shipments the Vedors has to fill which obviously varies seasonally..Finally, Customs which has different protocol/ rules regarding international shipping coupled with this being a government agency and the number of items shipped seasonally…….I guarantee despite the occasional extended wait to arrive, the product ordered you will receive as advertised. Patience is a virtue!
Fit_mom
Unfortunately at times 24roids is slow to ship. Once 24roids received your order they then pass it on to the vendor that will be shipping it to you. From what I can tell 24roids doesn`t have thier own warehouse that they ship product from. So it does take time for it to process. Good luck
Bswole
Sometimes it takes a while to ship. It ma have shipped already and it just hasn`t been put in your account yet. Just be patient bro u will get your gear I promise you
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Fairly new to this and just have 2 questions for you guys. 1. Does this stack cause pip? I`ve been on cyp for a few months now (200-300mg a week) and have always had the pain for the next 3 days or so. It`s not a super bad pain just aggravating when I have to get on the floor for work and my leg doesnt want to bend that much. 2. Will this cause acne? I`m 6`1″ at 155 lbs. (was 135) so obviously my goals are to gain the weight and look good naked. However, my cyp now has caused breakouts on upper arm/shoulder region which really puts a buzzkill on the looking good naked part. If so, what can I do to help prevent the breakouts.
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Zach Linder
Dude, I`m going to be 100% honest with you man to man, and no disrespect. You have no business exploring a cycle with AAS at your stats. Focus on gaining some weight…don`t say you are a “hard gainer”, people that say this just never figure themselves out….so figure out what works for you. Maybe consider a cycle (other than TRT) years down the road. Regarding the PIP, maybe consider switching to glute injections. Your body could also be reacting to the type of oil used in your product. Good luck and please think before jumping into something
Skuchie
I’m not here to pass judgment, or give my opinion, as to weather or not you should or shouldn’t be doing this particular cycle, I’m only going to answer your question. The stack itself won’t cause the acne, that’ll depend on your predisposition to get acne, at whatever age you are. But 500mgs of Testosterone per week will more than likely cause acne, even if you normally dont get acne. I’m 49, and have long out grown acne and pimples, but on 500mg (250mg M-F) of Enanthate per week, I do notice some small breakouts on my upper back, and the occasional pimple on my chest. You can invest in some acne ointments and rigorously cleanse the areas prone to break out, and alleviate some of the conditions. But your injecting a lot of testosterone and your body will produce acne.
Anon151
Side effects like pip (post injection pain) and acne come along with most compounds and will also depend on how your body handles things. That said, I agree with comments above, you need to wait and build a better foundation before you start cycling. You should have a much stronger base if you have diet and training under control. Just my two cents bro. Stay safe.
GainsVille_85
Any steroid runs the risk of causing acne. Personally, I don’t have issues unless my estrogen is too high, which can easily happen once the test builds up in your system. The pip really shouldn’t be that bad with a longer ester, you may be allergic to something in the brew. You can take aromasin 12.5mgs EOD or run a SMALL dose of accutane to mitigate the acne. Good luck.
Md Phd
Get your gut right. Eat 9000 calories per day and I don`t care if it`s a block of cheese and butter. At 1.5grams of Enanthate per week i dont have acne/breakouts. Keep asking questions.
5%er
Well since you have already started the cycle I don’t understand the need to try to convince you not to. I wouldn’t care about others opinion anyways if you choose this road, then obviously you know, or should know what you’re in for. I am prince to acne as well and I use rich piana liver and organ defender. It helps tremendously with skin, heart, liver, and kidneys. I’m waiting on finasteride to get here now to try that out. My face is more clear than it has been in a while but I always have a new one or two on my back chest arms here and there. Like you said, the goal is to always look better. Get your blood levels checked because estrogen could be high, or dht levels. Those results will give you an idea of what hormones are out of whack. Good luck.
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Hi I`m 250 pdz now I waz a weight lifter practically all my adult life my question iz itz been 2 yearz sence I wurked out I got hurt how many pdz could o expect to gain with the beginner mass stack? Thankz
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Will
If you havent worked out first a couple years, worry about getting back in the gym and getting a good routine and building yourself back up AND working on your diet before jumping to AAS. No reason to jump to illegal compounds right away when your body will respond naturally after being out of the gym for so long. Get a year of training back under your belt and then start with a Test E or C cycle at just 300mg. That should be everyone`s first cycle. Then your second cycle will just increase your dose of Test. No reason to add other compounds so soon. Eek out results at the least and minimal so you have more tools to use over time.
Nashdaddy
I agree. Get back in the gym and get a solid rhythm going. Get your diet in check. Be ready to use aas as a tool to help achieve your goals not as a wonder drug to fix you.
Tom
Depends on your bmi. How tall are you at 250lbs? If you eat right and your workout is on point you should be able shed some fat while gaining some muscle at the same time.
nickname_568
Honestly, my suggestion is start to condition for 8 weeks with no gear. Then start off with basic testosterone enanthate 375 {1.5cc} every 5 days.. Kick it up after that…. You need to see how your body reacts… But i strongly suggest not using anything for the first 8 weeks…. And I only say that because I was in a similar place… You`ll see insane giants with just a little testosterone.. You don`t need much…
nickname_367
It all really depend on how hard you train but make sure not to overtrain. And how well your diet is. Make sure you take in enough protein everyday as well as carbs, and fats but make sure they all cone fron good food sources. 280 calories from chicken will make you look better than 280 calories from pancakes lol. Your results are all up to how much you want those results
Fit_mom
That is really dependent on your diet and training. Just taking gear is not an automatic muscle gain. Must put the work in. If your carrying around a bunch of body fat to start your numbers may be skewed. Good luck on your journey back.
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Wanted to know if i add winstrae oral in 5his cycle. When should i syart using win…and how often……..for how long also
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N88
This is a watery cycle and winny wont do much for you. However if you decide to take it the last 6 weeks would be an option…no more than 50 mgs per day. Ensure to take liver support from day 1….taking orals for 10 weeks straight isnt the best thing for your liver but thankfully these compounds are pretty mild. Tudca, Liv 52 during and after your last oral use milk thistle for at least two weeks following.
Jaris
Yeah, use ai, and maybe run other cycle after pct, test tren winny. Good luck
JD Cycle
I would personally use in another cycle and keep the Turinabol oral this has. Winny is more suited for cutting. But if you choose to, recommend using the last 4-6 weeks at about 50mg a day.
Kupdas
Your best bet is to save the winn for another cycle. Focus your gear in this cycle on bulking up and save the winn for a cut cycle to get tje most from it.
J.P
The real question here is why. Look at the potential sides of the drugs already on deck. Turinabol, Deca, Arimidex and Test all bring a handful of side effects on their own, why add Winstrol on top of all of this? Not to mention, Winstrol is not a mass building drug. The effects you may get from adding it to this stack would be masked by the Turinabol if even noticed at all. If the goal is to see how much damage you can do to your heart, then, add the Winstrol. Skip the Winstrol. On a some what related point, Winstrol is really only ideal for people who are on prep for a show. It`s amusing how many people are trying to use it for something test would do better at
Anon12
Yeah I’d save this for another cycle, this current cycle will add excess water retention and will completely defeat the purpose of winstrol.
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I’m new to this and have never done a cycle, is the PCT included in this. Should I just do a testosterone cycle before a stack? If so… suggestions? Anywhere to study the basics of stacking and cycles to avoid asking stupid questions? Thanks
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Skuchie
Google “steroids “ and you can read all you’d ever want to know. And for your first cycle, you absolutely want to stick with a “testosterone only” cycle and only 1 compound. Like enanthate or Cypionate to see how your body reacts. After that you can move to a blend like Sustanon or omnadren, and go from there. DO YOUR RESEARCH.
Will
First and second cycle should only be Test E or C for 12 weeks and PCT. First cycle should be 300mg and second cycle should be 400-500mg. You don`t want to jump to multiple compounds or high doses early. Make as much progress on as little as possible so you don`t end up running too high of doses and get all the side effects when if you progressed slowly, you can make more gains off less. Bodybuilding is a marathon, not a sprint.
YD1
Welcome. As for your furst cycle just do Testosterone C or E at 400-500mg per week and see how you feel with just testosterone. Then you can stack up on your next cycle. You want to maximize just from testosterone first. This stack as from what I read it only comes with anti estrogen support (Arimidex) It does not come with PCT (Novadex/Clomid) Good luck bud.
Joe Hodgins
No, pct is not included in this so if you did purchase this stack then you would still need to buy a proper pct. that being said… if you’ve never ran a cycle before than you should run just a test cycle of enenthate or cypionate for around 12 weeks to see how your body responds to just test. After a cycle or two then you can start to add in other compounds. Btw, pct would normally consist of clomid and nolvadex
Zach Linder
Please just do a test only cycle. DON`t RUSH THIS. Also, PCT is not included. To find more information, google some information or find some solid forums to follow. Good Luck
Ryan
Pct is not inclided in this stack and yes rhis stack should be good for a beginer,as far as information goes you can always ask here or just google your questions
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Hi, I`m new to this but if I take this stack will I still need a pct stack? And when and how much should I use? Any advice would be appreciated..
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Matty Ice gainz
Yes. Always use a pct when taking testosterone since you are shutting down your natural t it needs to be kicked back up upon completion. Starting two weeks after last injection you should start your pct. protocol should look like this. Clomid week 1- 100mg a daynolvadex week 1- 40 mg a day clomid week 2+3- 50mg a daynolvadex week 2+3 20 mg a day clomid week 4 25 mg a daynolvadex week 4 10-20 mg a day depending on nipple sensitivity and gyno
nickname_464
Yes you want to run a PCT. If you like the stacks that 24roids has try the basic PCT stack and follow directions accordingly and you`ll be good to go! Otherwise above advice is spot on. Best of luck.
YD1
Hello and welcome. My suggestion would be to just buy 2 vials of testosterone C or E and start at 300-400mg every week for 12 weeks. Since its your first time its best to see how your body reacts fisicly and mentaly. Then later on you can add to the testosterone or start a new cycle. When I started Years ago I did testosterone Cypionate at 200mg/weekly and with that alone I put 20lbs of good muscle. Its your call bud. Remember always have an AI like Arimidex and do your pct right! You dont want to loose your gains because your pct was off. Good luck bud.
Joe Hodgins
Yes you will still need pct. any time you use aas your going to need a proper pct. pct basics are clomid and nolvadex usually for 4 weeks. If your taking test e or test c than your going to start pct 2 weeks after your last shot as test e and c are long acting esters. So 2 weeks after your last shot start your pct and run it for 4 weeks. High doses of test 500mg + weekly should consist of pct and including clomid at 100mg a day for 2 weeks and then 50mg a day for 2 weeks and nolvadex at 40mg a day for 2 weeks and 20mg a day for last 2 weeks. Clomid and Nolva are to be run at the same time
Scott
Yea, you’ll need to PCT. I prefer Nolva over clomid due to clomid being the harsher compound of the two. Another super easy way to PCT is SIS labs PCT tabs. Super convenient pills to take. Nolva I would typically do 40/40/20/20 for 4 weeks. For the PCT tabs I would do 2 pills for the first 2 weeks and 1 pill for the next 2 weeks.
anonymous255
Tamoxifen 20mg 4 weeks, clomid 50mg 4 weeks, HCG 1,000 mg split into two 500mg dosages for 2 weeks.
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Is the Anostrozole enough or am I going to also need to start taking clomid and nova for PCT after words to get my hormones right? I`m a first timer. Thanks
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LongIslandBEAST
Anastrazole (arimidex) can be used during PCT in the first week or two but mostly you will be relying on Clomid and Nolvadex. Take a double dose of each for the first two weeks and PCT for at least six weeks. I’ve found Aromasin to be much better than arimidex in my experience. Also HCG should be used on cycle especially the final five weeks before you PCT. Take 250iu every three days until your cycle finishes.
Matt747
Should only need nolva and clomid. Hcg helps but not necessary. Everyones different though what works for one might not work for everyone else
Ryan
As far as pct goes, yes nolva and clomid will be needed but anastrozle will not per se be needed (but if its provided by the stack you might as well)
nickname_957
nolva and clomid, adex is an AI so it is not really needed for PCT
Brian Britton
I would personally leave the Arimidex out. Definitely use the Clomid and Nolvadex and hcg will be the most beneficial. Not using hcg is why a lot of people lose their gains after cycle. This is the most underrated pct product that helps restore hormones.
anonymous255
Always run nolva and clomid for pct. 20mg nolva and 50mg clomid for 4 weeks
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Hey peeps what else should I order with this stack for the deca? Do I need a caber?
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Scott
Yup. Snag some caber and snag some Nolva for PCT. granted it has an AI running the last few weeks after your cycle I would still get some Nolva though. Goodluck on your cycle bro
Joe Hodgins
I don’t believe you will need caber. Definitely get some nolvadex and some clomid tho. As for what else to get, it depends on your preferences and also your history with cycles. First cycle? Second? If you’ve run deca before and liked it and responded well then you could pick up an extra bottle of deca but then you’ll probably want to grab another bottle of test too because a good rule of thumb with test and deca is to do double the test dosage of the deca. But like I said, if it’s only your first cycle or even first couple cycles/first time tuning deca then I don’t think upping anything is a good idea. I’d say you got a good basic cycle going. If u want you could pick up some hcg especially since it’s on sale
Maison
I would pick up some caber and arimidex to run on cycle you want to run 500mgs a test a week with the decca to get hood result and so you don’t get the decca sides.
SocalJuicer
A full course of your AI is absolutely critical, and some “on hand” supply of caber is prudent, especially if you are going to be using moderate dosage. Since this is a long ester compound, in the unlikely event that you experience high prolactin, even if you stop the compound, it takes weeks to clear. So having caber is more critical that if you used a short acting product like NPP.
evan johnson
Probably just arimidex. I have only needed caber when megadosing tren not just a little bit of deca.
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Vincent valentine thank you for your feedback. I don’t mind constructive criticism. My phone put Deccan instead of decca. Would you or someone here help me get on the right safest path with this?
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anonymous99
Your first cycle is always the best cycle. My first cycle was deca by itself too and it was the best cycle I ever had! But the crash was horrible too. Now I know deca is not to be used unless taken with testosterone and followed by a solid pct. Testosterone is a stronger anabolic and I don`t see why you can not combine deca with it at this stage. It appears you tolerate testosterone well and you simply just broke out with the deca probably due to increase in DHT. If you keep your dosage of drugs moderate you will probably never need an AI like arimidex or even caber for deca. But to play it safe and considering your blood pressure issue it is wise to have some arimidex on hand if needed. Test at 500 mg/week and deca at 300 mg for atleast 10 weeks will give you decent gains bro. Train hard eat right and get plenty of rest. 10 days after your last shot HCG 1500 IU eod for 1 week then 1000 IU eod for another week followed by clomid for 2 to 3 weeks is a good pct plan.
LegacyLifter
Always include testosterone during a cycle even if it`s a low dose of 100 mg/week. You can simply use a test only cycle at higher doses or add deca at 300-500 mg/week depending on your goals and how you respond to these drugs.
nickname_537
If it`s your first cycle it`s recommended you start out only with testosterone maybe 500mg per week tops but not under 400mg weekly, this way you`ll know how individual steroids work. If you mix up stuff you won`t know what`s doing what. Testosterone is naturally made by the male body in much higher amounts than a female and as such needs to be included as a base in every cycle because all steroids suppress testosterone production in men because all steroids are very similarly structured to testosterone and the body sees them as testosterone. Now if it is not your first cycle add Decca but start lower and go higher in case of sides but Decca is ok and should not produce very many sides except some do claim it causes temporary impotency (I would not know because I`m always on trt even if on Decca or anything else). In that way I`m lucky because I`ll never need pct. By the way some say to blast and cruise is better because you avoid the harsh roller-coaster effect of cycling on and off and pct where you could lose any gains, I agree actually. A blast is a higher dose cycle but a cruise is to maintain the gains on perhaps 300mg testosterone per week but no more till the next blast which is a higher dosed cycle. Good luck!
Vincent Valentine
I`m glad my response was well-received and that you`re open to constructive criticism. My only intention is to help. My first few cycles contained multiple compounds, and since I didn`t know what I was doing I encountered nasty side effects with no recourse. Eventually I figured things out, but I still kick myself for putting my body through that stress needlessly. If you`re looking to educate yourself on the complexities of AAS, I HIGHLY recommend Reddit`s r/steroids wiki. It contains studies, compound profiles, and several anecdotal reports and is easily the most comprehensive and accurate source of information surrounding steroids that I`ve ever come across. It`s an invaluable resource to veterans and newbies alike. As far as your next cycle is concerned, I recommend 12 weeks of test-only at 400mg-500mg/week coupled with arimidex at 1mg per week split into two weekly doses (roughly 3.5 days apart). This should help you familiarize yourself with the (sometimes delicate) balance of testosterone to estrogen and help drill in the importance of keeping estrogen within normal ranges. Get blood-tests 6 weeks into your cycle to check free/total testosterone and e2 levels, and be sure to follow up your cycle with a PCT containing Nolvadex. And in your case, monitor your BP multiple times a day. Be safe, and never hesitate to reach out to this community for advice!
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I don’t know if or how to reply to my answers to the question I ask so I’ll just put another question here. My first question I had said that I was a beginner and had high blood pressure that is under control with meds. A few of you guys had told me I need to do a cycle of test by itself first. I should’ve mentioned in my first question that I have tried things before but didn’t have stuff with it like I should’ve. First time was a few years ago,I tried a 10 week cycle of Deccan by itself. I loved it great gains in size and strength. But I didn’t have anything for the side effects. My side effects was pretty much only breaking out with pimples on my face and back after the cycle. Second time was a 10 week cycle of test by itself. It was good but not as good as the Deccan. Right now I am currently on my 4th week of test. Only doing half a c. I’m upping it to a full c tomorrow for a few weeks then cycling back down to a half c to tapper off of it. My body responds very well to test and the Deccan. Now back to my original question, will this stack be a good one for me to start with?
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Swoleville
Yes decca and test is a classic stack. I would run decca 300 mg and test 400-600 per week. Hcg 250 iu 2x per week. Arimidex .25 3x per week and caber .5 2x per week. A proper pct as well
Vincent Valentine
To be blunt? No. After reading this and your last question, it`s clear that you`re not aware of some basic rules surrounding AAS and are not prepared to manage a cycle using multiple compounds in a safe way. I`m not sure what Deccan is, but if it`s nandrolone decanoate, and you actually ran that by itself without using testosterone as a base, you`re very lucky acne was the only side effect you encountered. You also ran it (and the test-only cycle you mentioned) without having anything for the side effects (like caber or arimidex), meaning you were completely unable to help your body in the event that you encountered more severe side effects – like high blood pressure and lactation, assuming you were running deca. I hope you at least ran a proper PCT regimen, but considering your questions, I doubt it. My advice is to follow the wisdom of the members of this community when they tell you to run a cycle of testosterone by itself – a proper cycle! One that implements an AI (aromatase inhibitor), blood-tests, and utilizes a proper PCT (like Nolvadex and/or Clomid) to ensure that your body stays as healthy as possible. The importance of learning the basics cannot be overstated. Learn some of the basics first before running multiple compounds friend, especially if you already struggle with high blood pressure.
Mike Jones
Even with managed high bp, deca is not a good choice as it increases red blood cell count and thickens your blood. You also didn’t mention any doses of these cycles you ran, 1 ml of test I’m gonna assume test e/c 250mg/ml is not enough for a test only cycle unless ran at that dose of 12-16 weeks I don’t understand why your tapering up and down with test? You should run 500mg a week of test for 12-16 weeks with an ai and some finasteride and compare your cycles you won’t have any sides and all gains. But I do have to agree with Vincent, you obviously don’t understand some basic principles when it comes to using anabolics test should always be ran with any cycle as all anabolics will cause suppression of your HTPA resulting in no testosterone, your body’s main sex hormone. You need test.
nickname_537
Yes. Go for it. You can now do deca plus test. Normally as a beginner you only need testosterone to see how it works without confusing other substances. Now you`ll use deca with it. Later you can try test with say equipoise. This way you won`t confuse results or sides you know? And you`re right. Not everybody gets side effects, some don`t even get acne. Have ai in case, but obviously you`re not gyno prone so why waste money on it (but having an old arimidex pack laying around is good, I don`t bother personally). Lift heavy, eat a lot of protein. Simple rule: to add muscle eat in a caloric surplus. To cut eat in a caloric deficit. Good luck!
N88
So you`re taking only .5 cc of test a week and gonna bump to 1 cc? Thats way way too low. I`d run a full strong test cycle before adding a second compound. So later add 300 deca to your test cycle
Socaljuicer
Half a CC every week, or twice a week? What is the concentration of the testosterone? What exactly are your goals? Honestly, it sounds like you need to do more research.
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I am technically a beginner here with not a whole lot of knowledge about using this stuff. I was think of getting the beginners mass stack. Is ther anything I need with it or after the cycle is done? Or does it cover what I need in this stack. I was thinking of continuing this same stack a couple of times then going into the stack for cutting. Your help and opinions are appreciated. On a side note I have high blood pressure but it controlled very well with my meds. Which route would you guys recommend I go start with?
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Will
You mentioned you`re a beginner which I`m going to assume means you have never ran an AAS cycle before. DO NOT run this stack if this will be your first cycle. Your first cycle should just be 1 compound of Test E or C at 300mg for 12 weeks. Your second cycle again should just be Test E or C but at 400-500mg for 12 weeks. Test will be your base for every cycle. You need to run cycles alone with it to see how your body responds and reacts. Multiple compounds is fine if you add them 1 by 1 to future cycles with the Test to see how you respond. Nolvadex and Clomid will be used for PCT on your cycles. Keep constant watch over your blood pressure while you`re on cycle. Many scientific postings have been made that high blood pressure is an early cause for diseases and death. If you cannot control blood pressure due to your condition, you may want to rethink running AAS.
Mr and Mrs J
Beginner cycles should be test only. You will get huge gains off of 250 to 500 mg of if it`s your first cycle. You`ll need an aromotase inhibitor on hand for estrogen. I use aromasin. Arimadex is good also. A pct of clomid and nolvadex should be enough. I`m on trt so not sure in the doses for pct.
Scott
300-500mg a week of Test and you will see incredible gains on a 12-14 weeks cycle. Everyone and there mom knows the first cycle is one of if not the best cycle. Reasons for a test only cycle is you want to see how your body reacts to test. As stated, test is the base for every cycle and you’ll be using it plenty if you plan to do several cycles after. You’ll also get the hang of pinning in your glutes which is where you are most likely going to be injecting. A basic PCT protocol of Nolva/clomid will suffice for your PCT. Have an AI on had incase of side flair ups but you shouldn’t have any issues at 300-500mgs, though everyone handles gear different and you need to find that out. I like adex or Aromasin. Diet, training, and rest are key to capitalizing on the most gains. Lots of water aswell. Goodluck on your cycle bro, and do plenty of research. Google will be an awesome place for you to find out additional info and dos and donts.
Swoleville
Start out with test c only. See how you respond before using multiple compounds
mchilds
Just to repeat what everyone else has said. Just take test and save the Deca for later. Many people have bad sides when taking it esp without a prolactin inhibitor. Deca dick can last for months. Just stick with test and get a good AI and PCT regimen. You will be very happy with the results I promise. Take the test at least 8-12 weeks.
anon5_uk
If you are an absolute beginner with gear, the only first cycle you should do is testosterone only 500 mg/week for 12 weeks, followed by Nolvadex and Clomid PCT 14 days after the last pin (and Arimidex during cycle). These stacks are still pretty advanced if you have 0 experience with gear. Best you purchase the mentioned compounds separately on 24roids.
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Sup bros, for my first cycle is the Pre-Designed Basic Starters Mass Stack a good choice? It comes with Test Enthanate 250, GP Deca 250 and Turinabol. Thoughts?
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Swoleville
You have to crawl before you walk. Take your time and don`t have unrealistic goals.
evan johnson
Yes that is fine for a lot of lean mass. Personally I`d go with anadrol instead of tbol unless water retention is an issue for you.
SteveC
Not sure why the other two guys said that`s a good idea, but it`s not for your first cycle. Your first cycle should be only testosterone cypionate or enanthate at 400-500mg/week. Definitely DO NOT take anadrol for your first ever cycle. All of that gear is not necessary for your first cycle. You will not get more gains, only more side effects. I recommend getting test from either geneza or dragon pharma, they are very reliable and always deliver excellent gear. Whatever you do, please do not take anadrol for your first vcd ver cycle.
Massgains
Yes this is a very effective stack. You should definitely build some nice gains from this cycle.
nickname_464
This is a great stack, however if you`ve never taken any thing I`d go with what Steve said and do Test only. The main reason for this is to make sure you can keep track of side effects. If you`ve never taken any thing you don`t know how your body will react, this way you can keep a log of how you do with 250mg or 1ml of Test Cyp or Test Eth twice a week. Have an AI on hand but you won`t have to take it right away if your doing test only, can take as needed. One last thing, DON`T FORGET PCT, if you like the stack options 24roids has a great PCT stack, just follow directions but make sure you have it in hand before starting your cycle. Best of luck mate!
ROBERT
I agree with the above, while this is an awesome beginners stack I would suggest to stick with just testosterone by itself at first. See how your body handles it, see how you react to everything from the injections to the esters to the side effects then go from there. You can always start off low and work your way higher.
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What gauge syringes should I use? First ever cycle!!!
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B Rad
As a general rule use 21 g to draw and then switch to a fresh 25 g to inject. No worries, keep calm and dont wiggle, just breathe and maintain 🙂
Massgains
You can use a 25gauge 1in 3cc diabetic syringe
Vincent Valentine
The general rule of thumb for gauge sizes regarding intramuscular injections of AAS is to use 23 gauge for drawing compounds and 27-29 gauge for injecting compounds. This requires threaded syringes and needles that screw on/off the ends of the syringe. Syringe sizes will vary depending on the cycle, but for this stack I`d use 2ml syringes or higher due to the prescribed dosages and weekly injection frequency. Needle length is another factor to consider. The standard lengths are 1″-1.5″ but typically vary depending on how lean the user is and the injection sites being used. For example, when pinning into your glutes you`ll almost always want to use a 1.5″ needle, while pinning into your delts may only require 0.5″ needles. I myself am currently running my entire cycle using 0.5″ needles, something I can get away with because I`m very lean. Always be sure to sanitize the injection site and tops of your vials with alcohol wipes prior to injecting. And I`d also pick up some cabergoline and Nolvadex for cycle support and PCT. Welcome to the big leagues, and good luck with your cycle!
Beard
Theres no general rule here… use whatever gauge you want. You also dont need to use 2 separate needles to draw and pin. It`s all preference. Obviously anything 25g and up is going the be most comfortable/less painful. Length will vary depending on the amount of fat you have but 1 inch u should be fine. I`ve always used 1/2 inch myself so 1 should be fine. And cc wise u just need to make sure u can fit what you need to prevent multiple pins. Though most places shouldn`t be hit with any more than 1.5-2ml
N88
Pin w/23 or 25g and go either 1″ or 1.5″ …..1.5 for glutes and 1″ for delta and quads.. Subcutaneous + skin is .35″ for delts and .65 glutes on avg Male w/ 15 – 17% body fat. Going less than 1″ risks not getting proper IM depth. Many do use 0.5 but if body fat is avg or above the majority of the oil is not going IM and there is no way of knowing how much is actually being absorbed vis IM.
Swoleville
23 gauge 1 inch for injecting. 29 gauge to draw solution
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Lengthy post, but I feel to get good advice I should provide good context. Looking to this for my second overall cycle. First cycle was TRT level Test (100mg Test week) and 50mg Day Winstrol. Was mainly running Win with low dose test as I have to attend training soon for work and was recovering from surgery. All healthy and cycle did exactly what I needed for my particular circumstance for my profession. Increased stregnth/endurance with very minimal size gain. Running PCT with Win/Clomid as RX`d in numerous threads. Me: 39 years old, lifting for 20+ years with the only breaks from work related surgeries (longest break was 3 weeks). 5`11″, and average 200-220. First cycle was at 38 years old. Clean diet, primarily compound lifts, can admittedly do more cardio. My profession drug tests, but only tests for gear if accused (I know many who do AAS, just gotta watch how fast you bulk/cut). After my training course I can add size and looking to use this stack with slight modification. As I responded very well on low levels of Test and Win, contemplating running test at 400mg and Deca at 200mg per week (0. 8ml x 2 test, 0. 2ml x 2 deca per week). From all my reading, seems as Deca and Test Enan are `traditionally` run ~12weeks and since I respond well I thought I could still milk the lower doses and get to 12 weeks. No changes to the T-bol kick start. 1. Thoughts and spears towards this approach? Thick skinned, so feel free to call me a dumbass if warranted. 2. I have quite a bit of Anavar on hand. With the 12 week approach, contemplating taking week 5-8 off of all orals and closing out cycle with 30mg anavar ED. My intent would be to assist with the water retention at the end of the cycle. This is due to particular fitness/appearance requirements of my profession. Could bump anavar higher if needed, but would intend for the cycle to primarily be based in Test/Deca. Will follow PCT protocols as many of you always recommend. Sorry for the long post, but I`ve put ample time doing some reading and from what I`ve read I “think” this may be good? Asking here as y`all give great advice. Cheers mates.
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Anonymous
Since you get tested take NPP instead of Deca. Its has much shorter half life and kicks in 1-2 weeks compare to 5-6 weeks it take for deca to start working. Its unlikely to run into prolactin problem by pinning 200mg/week and if you have pct planned then you are good to go.
SocalJuicer
Good for you for doing your research and thinking things through rather than just jumping on a bunch of compounds, so lets start with that – great job! Before you do anything else, google “steroid detection times” and click on the second link – research the detection window of every compound, no need to take something that will get you in hot water in the event that you get tested. In particular DECA CAN BE DETECTED FOR 18 MONTHS, and for that reason, would be a terrible choice. It also carries the risk of shutting down your libido for months or years, will definitely bloat you out and make you look like you are on something, and in general is not a great compound based on the info you have provided. If I were you, I would consider a test propionate + Anavar cycle as you have proposed – low risk of side effects, very safe, and low detection window. Plus Var is mild and can be run for 6 or more weeks without concern. Winstrol is also a good choice, as it is out of your systems in 3-4 weeks. Best of luck!
nickname_279
Run 250mg/week test e and 200mg/week tren e instead of deca. Even though 200mg of deca is not enough to bloat you up like water jug you will still hold some water. You can even run the test lower at 100mg a week when you are taking tren. Good luck
Massgains
For the most past that looks pretty good I honestly would bump the deca up alittle you have to pick up another bottle or two tho but to get the best results from deca you should be on at least 500mgs of deca and deca is optionally used for 16-18 weeks because it takes so long to start working and actually building Gaines on your body. I would bump your var up to at least 50mgs ed. And your gunna be taking Arimidex on this cycle and if you stick to a normal nolvadex clomid pct the nolvadex should be fine for the estrogen now if you get prolactin side from the deca than you need some caber . 5 twice s week.
ROBERT
I would get rid of the Deca, keep the test E and Tren E then grab Aromasin, Cabergoline, keep the PCT mentioned and do yourself a favor by getting some bloodwork done. Continue doing everything and you should be a step ahead. Goodluck
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New to all of this and decided on this for my first cycle. Am i right in reading everything starts from day 1? Pin the test and deca twice a week for the duration and the orals daily for the duration?
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RJB
Yes you are reading that correct, I would load the . 5 Deca and the 1. 0 Test in the same pin and do that 2x per week. Also follow the oral the same as you read and it will be a good cycle for you.
nickname_963
Yes, that is correct. You will inject the following twice per week on a set schedule. Example is Wednesday and Saturday or Tuesday and Friday. If you are pinning on Wednesday and Saturday, Take 1ml of test e and . 5 ml deca on Wednesday and same for Saturday. You will take the 40 turan split up into 2 doses evenly until finished(about a 4 week supply) take the anastrozol ed and 10 days after cycle is done.
smithpress
Yes, draw them up in the same syringe and inject all at once. Its gonna rock your world.
N88
Injectables week 1-10 twice a week yes. Tbol only for the first 4 weeks, daily. And arimidex weeks 1 – 13 is what they are saying. I`d adjust the AI to a lower dose. 0. 5 daily is alot. Maybe start with twice a week and see how you feel. Then bump to EOD as needed.
Anonymous
Yes, its pretty easy to follow. You pick the days of the week, Sunday and Wednesday for example. You inject on those days for 10 weeks and same protocol with the oral
Tren Man
Yes as everybody stated above me you got it right. But i would suggest you skip the orals since this is your first cycle, maybe your later cycles
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Would it be okay to start Turan in week 3 and run it for 4 weeks? I was finishing an antidepressant that was also hard on the liver, so I wanted to wait.
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Phillip
I personally wouldn`t see a problem with starting it a little later, you`ll have better blood levels of test and deca in your system. . and plus if you`re not used to the sides it`ll be easier to see what gear affects you in what way. I think it`s good you`re thinking of your liver, not many do. . I think you`re fine doing what you have planned and personally don`t see a problem with it.
Anonymous
Should be fine. Just make sure you pick up a good liver support for the turan. Get some Rich Piana liver and organ support. You can get it at amazon for like 30 bucks. You take 9 pills a day, you can split them up throughout the day, good luck!!
drlsuper87
There isn`t an issue, but if you`re not using it at the start I would wait and use it at the end to help finish off your cycle and help you keep pushing through to the end. Personal preference.
Lav3ga
Only way to know is to get bloods and look at alt. If that shit is under 100 or so, rip it, but know your liver is strained. If you are north of 120, I would save those beans for a kick start for next time.
Anonymous
My advice is to not take it at all. These stack are designed assuming your liver is not under pressure from any kind of drugs. Test E and Deca are very effective and do most of the heavy lifting in that stack anyways, no need to put extra pressure on you liver.
ROBERT
It shouldn`t be a problem but I`d wait until the end to use it. I would also monitor yourself by having bloodwork done. You want to make sure your enzymes aren`t elevated.
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Would it be a bad idea to run this at a calorie deficit to cut up and lose some fat near the end?
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Mike Jones
It wouldn’t be a bad idea per se but there are other compounds that are designed specifically for that, I’m a big fan of tren/mast/eq/winstrol for a cut these are all designed to hold onto the muscle built even at a calorie deficit, but you could I’d throw out the tbol and grab some winni or var also a lot of the pros will use drol for a cut because it’s so stressful that you will lose your appetite and you can keep to your deficit but still be adding muscle
N88
Good call by MJ. .. this stack is good considering running test and deca, but not too fond of the Tbol. You can technically cut on on any cycle, but it would be much more efficient to run compounds designed to help with cutting. You could try this stack and gain as much as you can, then come off and clean out for 10 to 12 weeks and run a cut stack for 12 more weeks with compounds mentioned above.
Don O
Its up to you but since the cycle only has 10 weeks of anabolics I personally wouldnt do that and would recommend you just use it as a mass building stack and work on fat loss sometime afterwards, but again its your call.
Lav3ga
Not a bad plan, but if your body fat is in the 15-20 percent range, a recomp is the way to go. You want to keep the training volume high and start the cycle only on a slight caloric surplus (like 350). If you are working hard and eating REAL FOOD and not shit, you will burn fat and build some muscle at the same time, recompsitioning your body. After 3 or 4 weeks of the cycle like that and decide if you want to, continue the recomp by dropping the Cal`s to maintenance, drop into a cut and shred with the rest of the cycle (-250 from maintenance), or bulk with the remainder by stepping up the Cal`s (+500 from maintenance). Remember you will gain some fat back during PCT, so the out ight bulk, in my opinion, is not the way to go. If you keep working volume high thru the cycle even at a slight deficit you will gain muscle if you are early in your cycle experience. The cut finisher is my recommendation.
Micheal Ervin
Stick with cutting compounds for cutting and bulking for bulking
Gregarious
if you take minimum calorie on cycle. .you wont grow much. .sure you would lose fat and save more muscle due to steroids being anticatabolic. .. but this is not the best way to use roids. .. i like them to use as ANABOLIC
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About how long does it take for the deca to fully kick in?
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BB89
Test E takes about 4-6 weeks and Deca about 8-12 weeks,
Mike Childs
A good month in my experience.
Don O
Around the beginning of week 5 you should really notice a big boost but it will be working a little bit sooner than that.
Lav3ga
All injectables immediately start to enter the bloodstream after they are injected. I think a more relevant question close to what you`re asking is how long does it take for you to get to a steady bloodstream concentration of deca. This is this different in everybody and it`s based your body`s half life for that ester(deconate). If your dose is around the 400 mg a week mark you`re fully saturated after about three and a half weeks. There are calculators for these things. Google roid calc. Remember half life is different in everyone so the exact math is tricky, this can also help when determine when you will be ready to try to PCT(when all the esters are clear).
Mike Jones
Lavs post was pretty spot on, exact math is pretty tricky because everyone is different the half life of something is pretty general some body’s use compounds quicker than others and shbg plays a part into that as well, but generally it could take 4-5week at about 400mg a week 250-300mg will take about 6 or so weeks but like stated it’s pretty broad
N88
4 weeks in my experience. this changes from person to person
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Hi, I`m noticing a lot of people talking about taking a PCT after this cycle. Is that needed, or is the Anastrazole enough?
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Don O
PCT is definitely recommended after this cycle, youll feel a lot better and get your HPTA back into full swing faster. Theres a pre-designed PCT stack that 24roids offers that will cover all your bases and is very affordable.
Gregarious
. You will absolutely need pct. Theoretically you can use Arimidex only for pct, it is an estrogen blocker, one of the strongest ones out there. However, Arimidex pulls up testosterone levels by reducing estrogen. This is not a good thing. Use it too long, and LDL and cholesterol level would skyrocket and HDL would fall to zero. Nolva works by binding to estrogen receptors (though it acts as estrogen agonist in some tissues). This is safer. By a similar logic, in general, SERMs are preferred over anti-aromatases
N88
Def needed. Your body shuts down the testosterone making process when on cycle. The goal is to kickstart it back into production immediately after the substances clear your body. Commonly Clomid, Nolva and HCG are used. I do know folks that run HCG during the entire cycle and have good results with minimal PCT as far as keeping gains and hormones in check. However be safe and run a full PCT if you come off completely.
BB89
Take 250iu hcg twice a week during your cycle the entire cycle up to 3 weeks after you cycle has ended(with an anti-e) and don`t let your testicles shut down. The doc from Jay cutler you tube channel I remember once said, testicles are like diesel engines, its much easier to keep them running that trying to start them again.
anon5_uk
No, Anastrazole is not enough. You need PCT after every cycle, especially this one which has multiple compounds and is 13 weeks long. Just use Nolvadex for 4-6 weeks 2 weeks after your last pin and you`ll PCT successfully.
evan johnson
Yes you will need PCT if you are planning to come off and not blast and cruise. Arimidex is not enough. This will involve both clomid and nolvadex which you can purchase here on 24roids from multiple suppliers.
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I was considering adding some time to this cycle to attempt to cut fat toward the end making it a 12 week cycle. I considered cutting off the deca around week 8 while continuing the test e for the entirety. For the last 6 weeks I was thinking about adding clenbuterol (80-120mcg ed 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off and the last 2 weeks on) Also in the last 4- weeks adding winni at either 50 or 100 mg. What do you guys think?
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evan johnson
If I were you I would use the cycle as prescribed. These cycles were made by people who knew what they were doing and aren`t meant to be changed. Not to mention that your goal of cutting fat at the end is going to come down to your diet anyway not the fact you cut out deca. Your clen dose is also too high and I wouldn`t advise you use clen to begin with. If you did starting off with 20mcg is better.
drlsuper87
So I will at least in principle agree with what has been said. These cycles were made with a specific purpose. Deca in the opinion of most I have come across, should really be run for 12. That being said I would err on the side of those who created the cycle and say that cutting it to 10 is ok, but that is probably the shortest it should be run. There are bulking cycles and cutting cycles for a reason, if it were that easy to bulk up huge and cut down the last couple weeks of a cycle, everyone would be doing that and it would eliminate the need for separate cycles. Contest prep cycles, and the infamous “body recomp” cycles (which I`m not sure really exist to the extent we all think) would lend themselves to do more of what you are describing. Those cycles are usually 16+ weeks, and reserved for serious body builders and very advanced individuals. Bulk up with the cycle, gain as much true mass as you can (don`t just pack on fat and water, go for muscle), and then after you`ve done PCT run another cycle to cut, or just do what most prescribe and do some cardio and eat right.
Vincent Valentine
As others have stated, modifying this cycle in the ways you`ve described may defeat the purpose of the cycle – which is to build mass. The compounds, dosages, and allotted cycle length in this stack are meant to help a user gain muscle and size. Adding the clen and winny towards the end of the cycle will probably aid in fat loss, but you`d most likely notice the results those compounds can offer by saving them for a recomp or cutting cycle paired with other compounds (like proviron or masteron) geared toward producing a lean and defined body. Reducing the deca to 8 weeks may not give the compound sufficient time to provide the mass building results it`s capable of providing, and like Drlsuper87 said, it should be run at a 10 week minimum for this reason. If it were me, I`d run the cycle exactly as described, and instead of trying to add in compounds that help you lose fat simply tighten up the diet. Focusing your attention on macro management can go a long way, believe me! Either that, or simply run a similar cycle that uses lean bulking compounds (like EQ instead of deca, for example) as that sounds like it offers the results you want. If you`re going to run this stack, be sure to pick up some cabergoline as deca usually leads to excessive prolactin buildup that can have negative side effects.
Micheal Ervin
Depending on your experience, you could run this bulk cycle take 4 weeks off to clear out the androgen receptors and then go into a cut cycle to get lean
Swoll,onthe,low
This is called a bulk cycle but really it`s all in the diet in if it bulks or lean bulks or cuts. It`s all in dose and the diet and way you workout .intensity ,rest,recover,repeat
nickname_537
I woupd not modify the cycle because it`s devised by people who are knowledgeable in this area, and diet is the key to fat loss, simpling cutting out deca will not effect the fat loss.
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Would you recommend anything to extend this cycle to lean up in the end?
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Mike Jones
You could push the cycle out to 12 weeks instead of 10 and run either var or some winni from weeks 8-12 assuming you have a good diet and cardio regimen in place to help tighten up and preserve some of the muscle gained while burning any excess fat and water your holding.
anon5_uk
You could always do more than 10 weeks, i. e. buy 2 of these packs and run it for up to 16 weeks. To lean out, perhaps add T3 or clenbuterol. Because you`d be on steroids, the catabolic properties of these 2 substances will be kept at minimum and you will burn extra fat for sure.
ROBERT BERG
You can choose one of these 3. Either Stanzonol, anavar or clenbuterol would work in getting the results you want. I can personally vouch for Stanzonol 50mg-100mg daily and clenbuterol 40mg one daily in the early morning two weeks on and two weeks off. Anavar I know works great but personally i haven`t used it
evan johnson
You could add in a winstrol or anavar for the last 4 weeks of your cycle. Your liver should have enough time to recover from the tbol used in the first 4 weeks. You could also swap out the deca for EQ for the last 2-4 weeks of your cycle to retain less water.
drlsuper87
Var, winny, clen, or T3. Switching to EQ for the final two weeks will do nothing but waste EQ, you could do the same just dropping the deca and not adding the EQ. I have run the other four compounds myself, and have found the following from my experiences: Var is hard to find legit stuff and it`s expensive, but if you can get some it`s a great choice; winny will work, but dries out my joints too much and where I`ve had ligament issues in the past I will stay away from it; clen is effective if you can manipulate it/run it properly, hopefully you don`t mind possible jitters; T3 is also a nice choice, but if taken incorrectly can end up hurting more than helping over the long run (messing up your thyroid). Money aside I would opt for var for the last 4-6 weeks, otherwise I would say go with winny and be mindful and kind to your joints.
Greg Landes
Testosterone Propionate-100mg eodWinstrolor Anavar – 50 mg/day for six weeksGrowth Hormone – 4 IU, first thing in the morning, 45 minutes before foodT3 – 20 mcg, gradually increased according to individual needsClenbuterol – 20 mcg, increased according to individual needsNolvade – 20 mg everydayHCG – 250 IU, twice per week
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If I am prone to gyno is there anything else I should be taking during the cycle to prevent this? At what dosage?
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D-man
This stack already comes with enough anastrazole to take .5mg per day. This should be enough for most. If you are worried that it won`t be enough you could either buy some extra anastrazole, or buy aromasin instead. I like the results of Aromasin better than Anastrazole. Anastrazole will inhibit the aromatase enzyme. Aromasin kills the Aromatase enzyme. .25mg per day of Aromasin is a good dosage for your cycle.
Tom Baumann
D-man is on point with his comments, this stack comes with an adequate dosage of AI, and the substitution of Aromasin (generic exemestane) for the anastrozole would provide the “suicidal” benefits of that compound. A 3rd option would be purchasing some Femara (letrozole). “Letro” is noted as being the strongest AI available, and is popular for those who are gyno prone. I would suggest keeping some on hand in case of emergencies.
evan johnson
Yes you can either take arimidex dosed at .5mg eod or aromasin at 25mg eod. Can go up to ed or 1mg and 50mg respectively if needed
Vincent Valentine
As D-man already said, you should be covered by the amount of anastrozole this stack provides and using a more powerful AI like aromasin is a great next step if anastrozole doesn`t work. You could also consider taking an SERM like Nolva or Clomid to help control gyno if the aforementioned AIs aren`t doing enough. As deca can induce lobuloalveolar growth of the mammary gland, taking cabaser to help control your prolactin levels is also a good idea and may aid in reducing your chances of gyno. In any case, ALWAYS get your bloodwork done and your hormone levels tested throughout your cycle to ensure your estrogen is within the appropriate range.
big baby bear
For the gyno prone you should have some nolvadex (SERM) on hand in case you begin to experience symptoms, 20mg a day will help “gum up” your estrogen receptors while you`re adjusting your aromatase inhibitor dosage. But, you shouldnt need it, included in this stack is a decent dose of anastrozole which should keep you in normal range and since you know youre gyno prone you need to get a few periodic blood tests to monitor your actual estrogen levels, guessing is no good and tests are cheap these days. Having some nolvadex sitting around is good insurance and its cheap stuff so its no big deal if you dont use it.
Jordan
At 500mg per week for test is a fair to “lower” dose of test and most do fine without gyno; however, as you said, If you are prone to gyno at that low of dose you can buy more AI. Now let’s say you’re using tren or higher doses of deca, you may be prone to getting prolactin type gyno or lumps. No amount of AI can help. Taking Cabergoline or Pramipexole will reduce prolactin and reduce the gyno or lumps. I like caber, doesn’t mess with the natural production of IGF. Start off low with caber, around .25 mg 2x per week. Then bump up as necessary. Taking too much caber too soon can make you sick. It’s great to have both AI and Caber on hand, pretty cheap too.
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Just bought this stack along with the PCT stack. When should I start PCT? also the PCT stack says to take the HCG following the cycle but I am reading from most people that I should start the HCG around week 5 and stop when the cycle ends then to start taking the Clomid and Nolva after the cycle. If that is the case how much HCG should I be taking during the cycle and how often? The PCT stack also comes with more Arimidex. Should I I be taking it throughout this entire cycle and PCT like it suggests?
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Mike Jones
This is a very well layout for this cycle as it suggests start pct 2 weeks after your last injection, and you are correct you should start hcg 2x a week because the half life is 5 days at around week 5-6 at 250iu a shot run this until you start your pct because instead of letting your HTPA shut down and your balls shrink it will actually keep them running so after your cycle it takes much less time for your body’s endogenous test to start. As for arimidex it should be taken the entirety of the cycle at .5 mg every day and into pct, once you start pct drop it down to .25mg every day then stop into week 3 of pct, this way you avoid an estrogenic rebound after coming off your cycle.
Chris M
Deca definitely shuts you down more then testosterone does so hcg is critical, in my opinion, to run BEFORE going into pct. HCG should NEVER be run during pct, as it raises estrogen big time. If your running this cycle for 13 weeks, then starting hcg at week 8 should be good. 250iu twice a week is all you need. And you would start your pct 2 weeks after your last shot of test/deca, while still using hcg the 2 weeks between your last shot and pct. And arimadex should be run while on cycle and throughout pct. If you can get some aromasin that would be even better, but arimadex will work fine as well.
SocalJuicer
Respectfully, the instructions in that PCT Stack are full of badly outdated information. Current knowledge tells us that HCG should not be used AT ALL during PCT as it actually hampers recovery. Furthermore, you should never exceed 500iu per week HCG, and more can desensitize Leydig cells and cause a whole host of issues. Do the following: run HCG at 500iu per week (injected 3.5 days apart at 250iu per shot) for the entire cycle duration (but not PCT). Start taking your PCT drugs (nolva and clomid) 2 weeks after your last shot, continue for at least 30 days. Arimidex can be continued and tapered after your last shot to avoid estrogen rebound, but dose low and carefully.
Lav3ga
If you ask ten guys how TO PCT you get ten different answers. Personally I do this.Figure out when your cycle with actually end (two weeks after last pin of longer esters like cyp or E, three days after short esters like prop or ace). This is the day you start your SERMS (Colmid or Nolva or both). For the ten days BEFORE SERMS. Use 1000 iu of HCG every day, for all ten days.ExampleLast test e shot on Jan first. From Jan 4th to the 14th 1000iu HCG every day. Jan 15th start SERMS. The SERMS should be run until Feb 15. Tapering down the last two weeks.There are many resources for the SERMS dosage schedule. A bit of research will help you decide how to run. The important part of the PCT in my opinion is the HCG therapy at the END OF CYCLEGood luck brother
Chip
You should probably wait 10-14 day after your last injection to begin your PCT protocol. You absolutely can use HCG during your cycle usually at 250iu twice per week and that will keep your testes stimulated which will maintain their size and prevent them from fully shutting down which will make full testicular recovery post cycle easier. If you dont care about testicle size during your cycle then the on-cycle HCG is optional. The Clomid/Nolvadex post cycle get the hypothalamus/pituitary part of the HPTA up and running. Using arimidex during your cycle is recommended and that will keep your estrogen levels low while “on” and using it during PCT is usually recommended because higher estrogen levels will bind to and interfere with restarting your hypothalamus and pituitary so keeping estrogen low during PCT is also a must.
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So if your supposed to take an Anastrozole through the whole cycle of 13 weeks when are you supposed to take it cause 13 weeks x7 day a week comes out to 84 doses and I only got 60 tablets in my order the math doesn’t work?
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Lance
Since one tablet is 1mg, the 0.5mg dose per day x 13 weeks = 45.5 pills. You get 60 pills with this order. Continue taking 0.5mg each day after the cycle is over to help controlling the estrogen levels during your post cycle therapy.
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Jus started this cycle. Do i take all 40 mg of tbol at once or through out the day
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J.P.
Turinabol has a longer half life for an oral steroid. So you could take it all at once if that works best for you. In my experience though, splitting the dose up throughout the day has helped keep the potential for sides down and produced better results.
evan johnson
I recommend 20mg on an empty stomach when the compound is most bioavailable and the other 20mg pre workout.
Bojack
Spreading out your Turinabol dose throughout the day will give you more steady blood levels of the compound and will reduce the “Peak and Trough” effect often seen in compounds with short half-lives. Some users will take orals such as Dianabol, Anadrol, or Anavar as a “preworkout” but Turinabol dosen`t seem to stimulate the CNS or give the pumps to the degree these other orals will.
TB40
Turinabol has a half life of 16 hours, so as a result, it is not required to split Tbol dosages into twice per day, but the users can ingest the full daily dosage once per day. However, if you notice minor acute side effects soon after ingestion, such as headaches, oftentimes splitting the dose will alleviate these issues.
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The anastrozole is 1mg tabs can I just take one every other day instead of cutting them in half for the daily dose?
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J.P.
You certainly could do that, if that is the dose you actually need. The thing is, that Anastrozole, despite not being considered as strong as a suicidal AI is still quite potent. That said what if 1mg EOD is too much, but .5mg EOD or every third day is perfect? A pill splitter can be obtained for likely less than $5, and GP tablets are diamond shaped with a score line down the middle making them super simple to split. If it`s a convenience thing, just split all 20 tablets at once when you open each packet. On a side note, this is an awesome stack I`ve seen produce some great results, but I`ve had several people require some additional compounds to really maximize its potential. For one, pick up a suicidal AI, when Anastrozole is discontinued you`ll have to deal with estrogen rebound. Aromasin or Letrozole will fix the rebound. Get enough for end of cycle and PCT. Second, Cabergoline works wonders when ran with Nandrolones to not only combat sides, but remedy the dreadful “deca-dick” curse.
anonymous_2995
Anything is possible but I recommend every through the duration of the cycle
Mike Jones
You could and many ppl do but the elimination half life is 24 hours so taking 1mg eod will leave you 24 hours without circulating anastrozole that’s why it’s better to take .5 everyday vs 1mg eod just for the sake of half life and stable circulating levels
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So If i order this how many times would I need to order it to complete the 13 weeks ?
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Mike Jones
1 order of this stack will be enough for 13 weeks at the basic cycle layout. I’d personally order 2 or 3 and run the test/Deca higher for 15-20 weeks.
BG Expert
This stack is meant to last all of the 13 weeks you need.
Eddie Haul
This pre made cycle is meant to last the entire 13 weeks.
David France
You just need to order once this is enough for your cycle.
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How long of a break do I take after using 13 week Beginners Mass Stack before I can safely begin another type of stack depending on my goals?Thank You
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David France
General rule of thumb is the same time on is about the same time off.
Mike Jones
Yes general rule is time off=time on but depending on what you ran and what not you might need more. It all depends on bloodwork which should be done 2-3 months after a cycle anyways to make sure your healthy. We’re trying to do this as a lifestyle so take it serious and get bloodwork.
Dan Drought
Unless you plan to only cycle and not blast and cruise you should take the same time off that you were on.
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Should you take the deca and test in the same syringe at the same time? Meaning should both oils be in the syringe at once? Also is the Turan an oral? If so anything to prevent liver damage?
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Mike Jones
You could fill the syringe with both oils the only concern would be the amount of oil your putting into one muscle group. It might be harder for the body to dissolve 2ml of Deca/test in one muscle group vs 1ml of Deca/test into two muscle groups. Yes the turan is tbol which is an unmethylated version of dbol, as with all orals there is liver toxicity and Tudca and/or nac should be implemented as a supplement in your regimen.
Dan Drought
Turanabol is a oral steroid and you should use a product like Liv-52 or Tudca for liver support. All your oil based steroids can be mixed in the same syringe .
Jesse Myers
You can mix any oil based steroid in same syringe. The main thing is do not inject too much 8nto certain muscles. The glutes can handle up to 3cc, quads 2cc and delts, bi, tri, traps 1.5cc. And for live take tudca, NAC, and or milk thistle. There are supplements that have the right combo of the ingredients to make sure your liver gets the best protection. Dont forget you LDL and HDL cholesterol, try red yeast rice to improve your cholesterol, it`s not only about protecting your liver, your heart and brain also.
David France
Yes Turanabol is an oral and both injectable steroids can be mixed in the same syringe.
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I realized I forgot to order syringes/needles and clomid when I received this stack last monday. Like an idiot, I started the Tbol that night and figured I could get syringes from the pharmacy the following day. I failed achieving that so I realized I needed to alter this cycle a little and just ordered 100x 50mg tabs of winny, 25x 2ml syringes w/ needles, and some clomid for PCT. I`ve been taking the Tbol as directed, so I should have enough till my new package comes but I was wondering if someone could help me layout something new with the information provided. I`d also prefer to save the deca for another cycle and replace it with IGF-1 Lr3 or HGH. Both are pricey and I`ve read that at least HGH takes awhile to kick in so it may not be worth it. Would love some opinions. I`m 6`2 195 and work out 5-6 days a week. Thanks in advance for the help.
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Mike Jones
You could always stop running the tbol and start pct until you get your syringes, then use the rest of the tbol to jumpstart your Deca cycle next go around, test/Deca/HGH with a tbol kickstart is a solid cycle, don’t go with igf HGH is much more potent.
N88
I`d just stop the tbol and restart everything when it comes in. Regardless and tbol is super weak and doses they have you taking wont do very much compared to other orals. Meaning you arent losing a whole lot by stopping now
Swoll,onthe,low
I would just stop and wait untill you have Everything included pct.allways be safe and have all your cycle components ready at home
nickname_537
Just stop the tbol. Restart your cycle as planned once you get your needles and syringes. Missing a few days of tbol isn`t gonna make or break your cycle.
nickname_629
Just order syringes on eBay or Amazon and start your cycle when they arrive. Tbol is going to take weeks to suppress your natural testosterone production, so you will be fine.
Barry Gibson
Simply stop turinabol and restart when ready. You barely started using it so it didn`t do much and nor will you lose or gain much since you didn`t use enough days yet to start with. Just restart when you`re ready thats all.
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should I take anything for my liver during this cycle?
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Mike Jones
Yes you should always be taking liver support with orals, my advice Tudca, liveraid, or nac.
Jesse Myers
Yes, nac, tudca, milk thistle
nickname_537
Liv52 is cheap and effective even by a government research articles read at least for whatever liver ailment they were testing it for. So is nac. So is tudca. Liv52 is the cheapest at about $6 or $8 for a month supply with free shipping on eBay, tudca is very expensive but also effective. Nac costs somewhere in the middle. I assume you can combine them but I`m not certain it`s overkill and there could be interactions or some type of overload. I just use liv52 it`s a simple tablet or two to swallow and cheap.
Swoll,onthe,low
Yes Always take liver protection liv52 or milk thistle is fine but 24roids has many products for liver health
patsalos mixalis
always man, try liv53, also nac and tudca are great, good luck man
N88
All the fellas above nailed the liver products. good idea to take support always when on cycle…inexpensive insurance
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What pct should I use and at what dosages?
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Mike Jones
Nolvadex 20 mg and/or clomid 50mg and the doses would be 40/40/20/20 or 100/100/50/50. To be on the safe side you should also run hcg for the last 5-6 weeks of the cycle at 250 iu every 3 days to help keep your htpa functioning.
nickname_537
Clomid and hcg is good. Keep in mind it needs to be synthetic hcg. There are many companies that take vats of pregnant female urine to make hcg and it`s not only sickening but no matter what disease cannot be fully eliminated. Look at the old growth hormone taken from human cadavers, it was only 20 years later it`s some of its effected users started to dye because they got infected by jackob crutzfelds disease which fatally eats up their brain. It took 20 years for the disease to appear and kill them and it was lying dormant all along. So nowadays since at least 1985 human growth hormone is synthetic. If the hcg does not say recombinant or have an r in front of 8t like this rHCG then it is from piss (urine), don`t use it if for nothing else other than it`s sick to inject peoples piss in you (a derivative of piss). But 8f you blast (heavier steroid use) and cruise (lighter use like 200mg but not over 300mg test per week) then no pct 8s needed. Proponents say it`s less harsh blasting and cruising because you`re not cycling 9n and off followed by pct which is a harsh roller coaster ride on your body and endocrine system. Besides in pct during and after even with proper training and nutrients you will lose over half (sometimes all) your gains. During a cruise the 200-300mg 5est is more than enough to at least keep most of your gains (200mg test weekly probably won`t keep gains cuz it`s the high end of trt, but 300mg definitely will), in case don`t cruise on over 300mg test per week otherwise yours not really cruising and therefore not giving your body a break. Testosterone is not harsh around 300mg or less per week because it`s naturally occurring anyway to begin with.
N88
Nolva/clomid 40/100 daily for two weeks then drop to 20/50 for two more. You can also run HCG on the tail end of the cycle up until PCT. If you start PCT 14 days after last pin stop the HCG right before
Swoll,onthe,low
Run as mike stated above. It is the most common and useful pct.a well tried and tried cycle
Joe Longo
Clomid 50mg a day and nolvadex 20 mg a day for 2 weeks after last dose half-life ends
patsalos mixalis
i would do nolva and clomid40/40/20/20 and clomid 100/100/50/50good luck
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2 questions. 1. Are we suppose to take TEST two weeks longer than we do with DECA?2. Isn`t 10 weeks a little short for a cycle? Should it be at least 12 weeks?Thank you.
Answers:
Rick
This is a basic cycle, not for advanced users of course. Deca has a longer half-life then test this is why you take test a couple more weeks then Deca.
nickname_537
Yes deca remains in your system longer so just take the testosterone a couple weeks longer that`s all.
Swoll,onthe,low
I would not say it`s short like not going to get results butost run Deca 12weeks minimum.however you will not have as many sides from this . I would run both the same amount of time just run more test than deca
Joe Longo
Test them the same time just run test higher than deca.get pct in check before starting cycle
anonymous255
10 weeks is perfect cycle length for most people. Only reason you might want to go longer is that you are preping for competition. Just take the adex for two weeks after last injection of test and deca then start PCT.
N88
Come off both of them at the same time…deca`s half life isnt two weeks longer than test e or c. 12-14 weeks is a good cycle but 10 isnt too too bad either. i`d go with few weeks longer