Mhn makes me irritable and aggressive. I thought it was less androgenic than Testosterone. But Testosterone did not cause aggressiveness like mhn. Is it the combination of MHN and Testosterone or mhn alone. Did anyone experience this too. Is there any way to alleviate the irritability and aggression? Any medication that can help?
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nickname_238 User profile
It’s just one of those compounds that has a lot of side effects, you need to run it for 3-4 weeks if you can tolerate it. I had stomach issues when I took it and some sleep issues, I took melatonin for a sleep aid, but I had similar issues with oral tren and MIT. Good luck. Take care.
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What are the benefits of MHN while on a strict diet in a calorie deficit? Muscle preservation? Or can I expect maybe a pound or two of lean muscle? (I`m stacking it with testosterone).
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evanjohnson347 User profile Expert
Whether you gain muscle on a deficit will largely depend on how experience you are with steroids along with your diet and training. There is no magic steroid that will always build muscle while in a caloric deficit
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nickname_21 User profile Expert
Muscle preservation. If your on a calorie deficit in order to gain a pound of muscle you would have to consume 3500 clean calories above maintance orgeat 3500bcalories below maintence to loose a pound so its ver difficult to do with but the more muscle you put on the leaner you will look. P.s there is way more better products for preserving muscle then this. Try tren win mast
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When is this product going to be available again?
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Metal Mike User profile
I dont think anyone on here is going to know. You could open up a ticket with 24roids and inquire about it.
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Mhn User profile
A lot of these products come and go. Sometimes they`re unavailable for several months. They`ve seemed to have them available most times, I`d stay posted the next month or two.
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Roid_Head User profile Expert
Nobody knows not even 24roids. Evey time I contacted 24roids about a out of stock product, they told it should be in stock soon in the meantime look for alternative.
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traianos123 User profile
Impossible to tell, u can click on “Notify me” under the product and u will receive an email once the product is availabe.
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EDubz User profile
Yup nobody can give you a definate answer to this question. Sorry
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Jd D User profile
I dont know I hope they keep it it is a good product but stocked up on it when it was half off
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Looking to do an all oral cycle. I usually only do injectables, but my job and traveling won`t mix. I LOVE MHN, is it ok to run 8 weeks MHN 20mg/day followed by 4 weeks Var 80mg/day? Obviously N2 Guard throughout with solid diet, cardio, tons of water. This is long for an oral, but is it possible without destroying your liver with the split?
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evan johnson User profile Expert
Yes like you said it is possible but in general it is best to construct your cycles so that you have a break between running 2 different orals. However, anavar is fairly mild so you should be fine.
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nickname_629 User profile
It`s not only a matter of hurting your liver, its the fact that all steroids will suppress your natural testosterone production, causing you to feel like complete shit and have a poor hormone balance.
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Barry Gibson User profile
Anavar is mild so you may be ok but I`m not saying this in a medical professionals capacity. However use liv52 first of all at double ir triple the recommended dosage, add nac 2nd and milk thistle 3rd. If anything use at least liv52.
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Swoll,onthe,low User profile
Everyone s body take drugs different one guy after a week will have tons of sides and feeel like crap the others can go 8weeks without a side and be great,just try and see
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Smith441 User profile Expert
You have to do a blood test and check your liver values. Only if they are back to normal you can start another cycle. You can take anavar for 10 weeks, add proviron to reduce shbg and extra dryness, Primo ace is also safe too in pill form. You have to take test as base though, there is test deca in pill form take trt dose atleast.
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Juice24roids User profile Expert
I would use Liv52 and NAC while doing orals. I prefer tbol and adrol personally — they just work better for me. Dbol makes me sick. Anavar is great but subtle. The other answers covered some good info. Thanks for the question
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Haven`t tried this before and generally like to stay away from orals. However, I am thinking of taking advantage of the promotion and running this for 6 weeks at the end of the cutting cycle. I have 5 or 6 cycles under my belt so far. Without going indepth with my current cycle and the obvious risks of liver danger associated with orals, I wanted to know what other people have used as far as dosage for this and the results. From the description it`s saying 2 – 4 tablets a day for 10mg – 20mg total. Is this accurate? Do you run more/less? I generally am not sensitive to common anabolic side effects, so I am thinking I may want to bump it up to 30mg total a day for 5 or 6 weeks. Any feedback besides the usual liver toxic and liv52 comments?
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NPC LIFE User profile
I like your comment staying away from orals. Yes sir unless your stepping on stage why put your body through the stress of something so toxic. The only time I use orals in when I’m in prep. There are so many good injectables that have so much less stress on the body. But your going to take them anyway. So my opinion is start out at 40mg. 20mg in the morning and 20mg 12hrs later. See how your sides are and bump up 10mg if needed. Only run 4weeks I would not push 6 weeks. Good luck and be safe
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mchilds User profile
As with any new compounds I use, I start off on the low end and taper up as needed. This allows me to use the best dose so my body experiences the least amount of sides and most positive results. So start low and taper up. 30mg would be fine as long as you don`t get many sides with 20, but personally I don`t start seeing negative sides for a few weeks so by then your cycle may be over so it`s hard to say what will work for you. I do 20 at the end of my cycles but got better results from wini and car personally
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anonymous679 User profile
to me its like npc life said unless your competing there is no need for them. but if you insist on them go with anavar, iethere at begining or end of cycle
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Will User profile Expert
If you don`t have much of a history of oral use, I would not recommend this being one of your first ones to try. Running winstrol, proviron, anavar, anadrol would all be better options from the toxicity and side effect stand point. And always run at the lowest dose and raise over time. Orals are the same as injectable that you never should start at a mild or high dose. Get results on the lowest possible dose.
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K.D.T User profile
I use this at the end of my cycle at 30 mgs for 6 weeks I feel like its close to turinbol and Winni nice leane gains really vascular also had labs done and liver values where bairly effected so 6 weeks at 30 mgs is safe and effective might even get way with 8 weeks
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Unc33135 User profile
I started this at 15mg a day then bumped it up to 25mg. Good lean gains. Just dont take too long. Makes a nice compliment to a cycle tho. Id run it again.
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Would that be a better choice from anavar in a cutting cycle? i would like to lean up as much as possible im gonna stack tes/mast/trena cycle along with an oral for 6 weeks only!
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Dr Scott User profile Expert
With what your running anavar IS the best choice. I love it with that cycle and except for the tren a I use a mix. If you dont use anavar and wanted another oral to cut with, then winstrol oral is a very good choice 50-100mg q day in split dosages. Obviously diet and cardio
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NPCLIFE User profile
Bro your cutting is all in your diet. Make sure you have your diet point on or the drugs won’t work. Are you getting ready for a show? Or just looking to get lean. There is a big difference. No matter what drugs you take you need to get the layer of fat off to be lean. Fat don’t turn to muscle. If your looking for 6% bf or under then you need to control what your taking as far as retaining water. If not then take what you want and diet hard. My friend it’s hard work but this is the only way. Anavar won’t do shit if you eat like shitbe safe
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LongIslandBEAST User profile
As far as I know Anavar is the preferred cutting oral out there with winstrol coming in second. Of course you will want to focus more on your diet as that will have the largest effect.
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Hitler User profile
I agree with dr Scott. He said it best
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Drew User profile
With the stack that you are going to run I would stick with anavar. You would get more or less the same results and it`s less harsh on your body. Take 50mgs ed
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Zach Linder User profile Expert
It makes sense to use Anavar when you are cutting. You will be able to reap all of it`s benefits that way (same with Mast). It`s all going to come down to your nutrition though. Good luck man. You can get some serious results with this cycle idea. Just keep doses respectful
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The stated ratio for this is 1304/281.. Is there any real life truth to this? Should I consider this over Superdrol? Halo? Yes I`m aware that everyone loves Anadrol but I tend to get hit with the blood pressure thing so I`m a bit put off by that aspect of it. Plus it`s ratio is lower. I`m new to orals, throwing them in my next cycle. My liver is solid and I`m not too worried about that aspect
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Gman User profile Expert
The ratio s are offputting sometime. For example halo his a very high anabolic and androgenic ratio. But you will not gain mass from it. But incredible strength. So dont expect twice as much growth then testosterone. But go ahead and give this a try. I would start off low at 10mg per day and after a few weeks go up to 20mg. I ask if you try this to post your results and how you liked it I am curious how this drugs works.
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nickname_134 User profile Expert
Don`t expect to gain any solid muscle on any oral no matter what anabolic rating it is. Orals don`t add muscle mainly because they have to be taken on low doses because they are liver toxic and for a very short period of time 4-6 weeks. That`s why they are only used to kick start cycles. Androl and dbol are the only orals that add weight but all the weight is water. I don`t think you are going to notice any real difference between Superdrol and MHN. Good luck
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Sedan User profile
The ratios are very misleading and definitely don’t play out like they do on paper. I researched this compound a while back, and concluded that there is a reason why it isn’t very popular.
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ddc2025 User profile
Oral supplements have a few disadvantages……First, besides increased stress on you liver which would be in addition to the hepatotoxicity from the injectables, the bioavailability is in most cases reduced as the compound is metabolized through your system/organs that will be used when taken orally. From experience, orals did not work as well as injectables in terms of muscle gains. I`d just stack a different injectable that complements which ever one you`ll take. It will be less stress soon your system in general. I believe you mentioned noticsbke BP side effects so it`s safe to assume you are at least 30….Trying a lower dose may help lessen that particular problem and then gradually increase until you find at what level the BP elevates. You should check out chlolestol levels, thyroid function and transamilazes….maybe your Dr. can prescribe medication to mitigate any likely side effects.
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Bonny User profile
I would stick to basics on any cycle. Peaks like this could be an extra kick or bonus but your playing with fire and don’t know how your body will respond to it. I would Stick to what’s proven like Dbol or Anavar for an oral. It’s not worth the risk to do any damage to your kidney. Tough to come back from it
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Skuchie User profile
Unfortunately nowadays there’s information overload. 20 years ago, you never would of heard of this compound. If you wanted an oral, it was D-Bol or Anadrol to bulk or Anavar and Winstrol to cut up. Now there are so many choices that many people tend to over think their cycle. and add in chemicals that really are not worth the Risk Vs Reward. Especially when there are tried and true alternatives, there’s just no good reason to use this.
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Why is this product being sold in packs of 10 but not being offered in individual sales?
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Zach Linder User profile Expert
TBH no idea…I would reach out to 24roids and see if they can assist you. I have never seen that before on this site
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B Rad User profile Expert
Thats a good question, just my guess but maybe they`re trying to move their current batch of product a bit quicker before fully restocking with new stuff, MHN probably moves a little slower than the more well known compounds.
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N88 User profile
not a popular oral and sometimes they attempt to force us to buy in bulk. I`m sure this will be taken off the market once this lot sells out. good idea to open a ticket and at least ask the question.
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nickname_48 User profile Expert
Nobody here knows the answer. Your best bet is to contact 24roids themselves and see what they have to say about it
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Will User profile Expert
That`s pretty abnormal when compared to the other products. Start a ticket with 24roids support. That may have just forgot to set something for this product.
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Joe Hodgins User profile
Your going to have to ask 24roids but it’s most likely because they want to get rid of their stock and/or it’s not worth it for them to just sell 1 or 2 packs
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im doing a 12 week cycle of sus…. ill wait 2 or 3 weeks before doing 4 weeks of mhn and i will lower it to 10mg to see how it treats me…. i have arimidex and nolvadex and i have liv 52… how would oyu take the liv 52? i havent added an oral to any of my previous cycles other than tbol. thanks for all the advice!
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RJB16 User profile
I also was told to take Liv 52, I take it 2 pills 3 x a day. I use Caber with my Arimidex and it is going great.
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anon5_uk User profile Expert
I would wait to use the liver supplement till you start the mhn, since you don`t need it for sus only. I`d take it for as long as you take mhn, so for 4 weeks, it`s that simple.
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Dan J User profile
Liv52 is good, I usually opt for TUDCA or milk thistle so I am unfamiliar with that, but I`d assume it`s the same for all liver supplements. You take it when you take the offending medicine, so in your case MHN. Take it with MHN and stop when your MHN blood levels drop. Let`s say that`s an additional 1 week after stopping MHN.
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Socaljuicer User profile Expert
It’s very simple, just start taking the liver support medication At the same time that you start taking the oral steroids. Once you discontinue the orals, you’re welcome to take the liver support for a week or so after to assist with liver recovery. Generally speaking, the negative affects that oral steroids have on the liver are greatly overstated. This is especially true if you don’t drink, or chronically use medications such as Advil and Tylenol which also tax the liver. Think of the liver support medicine as long-term preventative maintenance toward your future health.
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Micky T User profile
You can start live52 and oral at the same time, as when liver is trying to break an unbreakable compound and liv52 can help a little. Its a natural over the counter supplement so don`t over think the dose as its generally safe. The studies have shown milk thistle has to be taken continuously for 6 months to get the good side effects on the liver, I`m assuming the same thing goes for liv52
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Ni Hou Lee User profile
Liv52 is more of a health maintenance than preventative measure. Buy a lot of them and take them throughout the year to maintain liver health if you are thinking about doing oral cycles
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should i use mhn to jump start my gp sus 270 cycle or would you wait a few weeks for sus 270 to fully kick in and then start mhn? i was going to do 20mg for 5 weeks
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John User profile
There is test p in the Susta which kicks in a week, you can get another vial of test p and pin ED or EOD for 3-4 weeks until all the long esters in the susta kick in
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SocalJuicer User profile Expert
Listen, any oral steroid can be used as a kickstarter, it all comes down to what you are looking to get out of that time period. For example, many people like D-bol because it comes on strong, and gives you dramatic increases in size and strength within a week or so. Right now I am kickstarting a test/EQ cycle with Superdrol, (which typically is not known as a common kickstarter) and getting what I want out of it. This happens to be strength gains without any water weight. So to answer your question, yes, you can use it now or later. 20mg for five weeks? I know the product description says 10-20mg per day, but I have heard anecdotally 2-10mg per day. Better to start low and ramp up, than dive into the deep and and get headaches and other unpleasant sides. Also MOHN is pretty liver toxic, I would stick with 4 weeks and take liver support while on cycle.
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Anonymousone User profile
I personally would wait for your test to build up then I would start taking them you will get better gains this ways good luck friend
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anon5_uk User profile Expert
I would wait a few weeks to be honest. I am assuming you are planning a lengthy cycle with sus, so perhaps insert it in the middle of cycle so you can observe analytically how your body responds to mhn in isolation while sus has already stabilized.
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GainsVille_85 User profile
I think you’re fine to start it the day you start pinning. You’ll have the short esters from the sustanon working, and any difference between the two plans will be marginal.
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Anonymous dude User profile
MHN is very liver toxic you are going to put that much pressure on the liver at the beginning and then be on cycle for another few months, just wait a few weeks
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So I’ve been thinking about running sdrol for the first time then came across this. I’d assume it’s illadvised to run these 2 together so which would you guys prefer for a lean bulk? Or would you rather run a Winny/Adrol rotating every 3-5 day cycle??
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Will User profile Expert
Don`t run another oral with Superdrol. Very toxic to your body and the longest you should run it is 4 weeks and no orals before or after. Gotta give the liver time to return to normal values. Imo Superdrol is the best oral out there. Puts on size or leans you up depending on your diet and the strength is ridiculous! Very little water accumulation but some people cannot handle the lethargy and if it kills your appetite, it`s not a good fit for you. Anadrol tends to also have great strength building properties but that one will end my appetite and ability to digest food. If you`ve used it before and have either of those sides, don`t take anadrol in a bulk. You cannot build muscle if you cannot eat. I`d say give Superdrol a shot and see how your body responds. My favorite oral and can really transform the body. I`d recommend getting away from the ideal of a lean bulk and eat heavily. You cannot truly transform your body if you`re holding yourself back trying to micro manage . 5-1lb a week gain. Some uncomfortable weight is the process to truly transform yourself. Good luck!
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big baby bear User profile Expert
For a lean bulk Id personally stick to the basics, anadrol kickstart up, and winny at the end on the way down. Ive never tried the MHN so I cant speak to its effectiveness.
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Anonymous 4266 User profile
Keep the orals to 5 weeks max and don`t run them together. After 5 weeks give your liver at least 4 weeks to detoxify itself and run a blood test to see your liver enzymes are back to normal.
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anon5_uk User profile Expert
You have to be careful with stacking up orals, especially 17-alkylated. They are hepatotoxic. If you want to kickstart a cycle, front-load your injectables if you are that impatient. It`s a way less taxing thing to do to your body than taking orals. Do not undervalue the health of your liver.
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evan johnson User profile Expert
I`m not sure what you mean by alternating anadrol with winstrol, but winstrol or anavar are probably the best orals for not gaining water while increasing muscle mass and strength. Both will not have the sides of superdrol.
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Massgains User profile
A nice lean bulk cycle is anadrol 50mgs ed for 6weeks i don’t know if your only trying to take orals but if no 500mgs of Enanthate . 5mg of Arimidex eod Winnie 50ngs for the last 6 weeks. That’s s nice lean bulk cycle.
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Can this product be used with finasteride? Popular belief is that deca and npp are gentle on the hairline but when coupled with finasteride they can cause increased thinning/shedding. Would the same be true with MHN?
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evan johnson User profile Expert
It;s definitely going to depend on whether you are predisposed to male pattern baldness. If not then it would probably be acceptable.
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smalldres User profile
MHN is a nandrolone derivative but it`s far more potent than deca/npp. This compound will be more similar to anavar and trenbolone. And far as taking finasteride it`ll only stop the conversion of testosterone to DHT to a certain degree. Thinning and shedding of the hairline will be determined by your genetics.
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anon5_uk User profile Expert
MHN is already inhibiting 5-AR, just like finasteride does. 5-AR reduction of nandrolone derivatives decreases potency, and considering MHN is a nandrolone derivative, 5-AR reduction inhibition would increase potency and increase androgen to anabolic ratio, therefore MHN would have higher androgen side effects as nandrolone, and similar androgen sides as nandrolone + finasteride. Taking finasteride with MHN wouldn`t do much for hair loss mitigation. Then again, how your hair responds to MHN depends on individual you.
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Mike Jones User profile Expert
It would be better to use it as it will stop the conversion of SOME DHN but also SOME DHT. HOWEVER, how this plays out in a Nandrolone/Test cycle i dont know for sure and i hope you get your answer. But Surely SOME blocking would be better than none with the stack – it is when Deca/nandrolones are used alone, it should be avoided i would imagine.
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SocalJuicer User profile Expert
I did a fair amount of research, but could not find a clear cut answer to your question. The following quote seem to support the fact that finasteride does NOT interact with MHN the same as true nandrolone drugs (deca, npp)… “the 5-alpha reductase enzyme does not metabolize methylhydroxynandrolone, so its relative androgenicity is not affected by finasteride or dutasteride”. Its your call, but it might make sense to just avoid this particular compound, there are plenty of other orals such as Winstrol or Anavar that produce the same general results.
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I am planning a sus 270/winstrol/MHN cycle. Was going sus for 15 weeks( 500mg/week), MHN for the first 8 weeks (20mg Ed)and injectable winstrol for the last 7 weeks (50mg Ed). I’ve loved MHN before, is it ok to do with winstrol if they are split up? Have N2Guard for hepatoxicity.
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Socaljuicer User profile Expert
Injectable winstrol is still liver toxic, so you are basically proposing running liver toxic orals for 15 weeks straight. This is very dangerous and absolutely not recommended at any dosage. If you want a cutting / hardening effect at the end of your cycle, simple exchange the winstrol with MASTERON (drostanolone).
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Vincent Valentine User profile Expert
MHN and winstrol are both damaging to the liver, and although injectable winstrol is less damaging to the liver when compared to it`s oral counterpart it`s still not healthy to run both compounds back to back. If you insist on running them both in the same cycle, I would ensure you have at least 4-6 weeks between both compounds. A modified version of the timeline you`ve provided could be: 16 week cycle, sus for 16 weeks at 500mg per week, MHN for the first 4 weeks, and winstrol for the last 6 weeks. Even this modified version is still very harsh on the liver, however, so if you`re still planning on running both please be sure to get your liver tested several times throughout your cycle!
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evan johnson User profile Expert
No that is not a good idea. MHN is very liver toxic and you are running it back to back with winstrol which is also liver toxic including the injectable version. You could either use a different injectable or you could shorten your MHN cycle to 4 weeks and then do the winstrol for only 4 weeks so your liver has time to recover in between.
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A few questions:Can you use this along with test prop and proviron? Would it be useful or would provirion + mhn be a waste?Could you use this along with test prop/proviron/ and add dbol for some strength and size as well or is that over kill…. im using test prop and privoron currently and want to add something like mhn to it.
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evan johnson User profile Expert
MHN is certainly useful on either a cutting or bulking cycle. You will see significant increased hardness and vascularity when using it on a cut. You will need to use a liver supplement however such as liv-52 sold here on 24roids. So to answer your question it would be beneficial on top of what you are already using and would not be a waste.
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Mike Jones User profile Expert
Proviron is useful when using “wet” compounds such as high test and dbol, and mhn is is in the nor-19 category and has the parent compound of nandrolone, that being said it acts differently than its parent compound and is comparable to tren. You won’t see crazy gains because of the short nature of the use of it due to toxicity, but you will become hard, grainy, and it will help boost your strength,I have personally used this product and I can say I love it, so yes doing a test/prov/dbol/mhn cycle would not be a waste and actually be very synergistic just be careful of the dosages your running and like previously stated you absolutely need a liver support using any oral especially mhn
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SocalJuicer User profile Expert
You have already received some excellent answers, so I will offer one more consideration. Oftentimes users attribute success in a cycle to the 2nd, 3rd or 4th compound that they added, when in fact the real reason for the success or added gains IS THE TOTAL VOLUME OF ANABOLICS USED. With this in mind, adding another compound is essentially never a “waste”, as it adds to the total mg of gear you are leveraging. Of course not all compounds are comparable on a mg by mg basis, but every time you add something, you increase the total volume. Having said that, sometimes a particular compound, or a particular dosage of a specific compound may be counterproductive to a cycle goal – for example adding a large quantity of deca to a cutting cycle (deca causes lots of bloat, not what your want when cutting). Good luck, and I will also suggest cycle liver support.
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Would this be a good addition to a Test Cyp/Winstrol/Clen/Anavar cycle? Due to the inhibition to DHT
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Mike Jones User profile Expert
Yes MHN is a good addition to any stack for bulking or cutting, it will have some of the effects like tren but no progesterone or estrogen conversion. For this or any cutting cycle I’d stick with only one of the dht compounds my personal preference is anavar over winstrol but this would provide amazing results as a test/var/mhn/clen stack.
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BIGMURPH User profile Expert
I would definitely say to use MHN because it is an amazing hardening compound but adding it to that cycle might not be the best idea because of the toxicity to your liver. Run the test/clen/mhn drop the var because you won`t need it the mhn is a much more powerful hardening compound. If the winstrol and anavar were injected then that could change the situation. You would be able to include them into the cycle and the mhn will help your joints while running the winstrol.I just believe that it might be a little overkill but I don`t know your experience level.
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Dan Drought User profile
Yes MHN added to your stack will allow you to have more leaner harder quality gains.
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Jeff User profile
Bigmurph:This is only my second cycle.
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Thomas LeBaron User profile
You can definitely benefit from using this as a muscle hardening and vascularity increasing agent. I definitely noticed those were the two biggest effects while taking it even in my own lean bulking cycle. Just make sure you have great love protection because like you said, you`ll be taking two hepatoxic compounds already (anavar and winstrol).