Is it better to Chug down water or Gatorade with winy or it doesn`t really matter
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CommiBiden User profile
No scientific data suggesting either exists. If you care about your KREBS cycle and uptake then sip grape juice and tarter sauce(potassium). But I`m sure someone on here with Pepsi stock will hate on the answer and down vote. Bro science Haters, ha,ha.
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Jogger User profile Expert
Doesn’t matter bro but water is a good cleanser, take some liver support with it if u want, good luck
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crazy Dan User profile Expert
Absolutely doesn`t matter what you drink to swallow the tabs! It will get dissolve in your gastric juice which is pH2. At the acidity nothing going to stay intact! So it`s all preference on taste. I personally like to take it with a nice COLD bottle of Heineken! Just joking. 🙂 Good luck buddy! Don`t forget to vote.
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Joeskee User profile
It`s doesn`t really matter lol u can chug in down with piss for all that matters.
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Roid_Head User profile Expert
Winstrol is C17aa, nothing breaks it. It survives stomach acid and liver, is going to be in your blood stream until used up by the body and 5% will get flushed by the kidneys. Here is a trick not many people know, the injectable Winny is drinkable, with the same results.
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Cyclone User profile Expert
Generally speaking about on cycle habits, I notice that drinking TONS of water helps to keep my blood pressure lower, which is a side effect of lots of different gear.
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Jason123 User profile
Doesn`t matter but you do want to take winny on an empty stomach. That`s hard to do since us bodybuilders are always eating. I take mine when I wake up to piss in the middle of the night.
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Has anybody experience pains from the tabs? It`s the only thing I`ve done different and had major low back almost crapping pains or like I tore a muscle. Maybe I need to take potassium supplement? Needlessto say I stopped taking it and the pain went away in about a week. Thanks
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JB205 User profile Expert
I have experienced lower back and pain in my calves, like cramps or sever muscle pump, even just from walking with winny. I lowered the dose and upped my water intake and Gatorade I drank considerably and it helped somewhat. I finished the cycle and switch to anavar instead for the future.
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jim User profile
I have experienced that from anavar and dbol. I use magnesium and taurine and that seems to really help a lot. Make sure you stay hydrated
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Uhoh38125 User profile
I fucking love winny, its my favorite, but by the end of cycle I can hardly work out because I am so stiff. next time I do it, it will definately be with lowish dose npp and test. winny burns the fuck out of my shoulders these days but makes them into boulders. I ran `winny only` several times and the only sides I had are what you are talking about…. didn`t shut me down or anything. next time with npp or deca for lubrication and test so I don`t get deca dick
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Does winstrol affect your red blood cell count like test does?
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Red User profile
Winny has never affected my red blood cell account
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Joe User profile Expert
I have done winstrol twice bro and mine where unaltered, take care my friend
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Dan User profile Expert
No it does not increase blood cell production. EQ does. Winny however give you strength and increase vascularity but not as much as EQ. It`s used in a cutting cycle to tone your muscle! So since it will dry you up your joints will ached. I recommend pinning/taking oral winny during the second have of your cycle. I also prefer to pin winny. Skin the liver one time. Good luck
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GarrardS User profile
Winstrol did not impacted my red blood cell but it had a serious dent on my HDL. are you taking high dosage test with that? that will have an impact on your red blood count.
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nickname_21 User profile Expert
No ot does not. It does dry you out with strength increases and a harder look runs great with equipose but it can raise your bad cholesterol and lower you good. Joints might get tight or sore drink lots of water I love winstrol never done me wrong
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Joe User profile Expert
No, Winstrol doesn`t effect the red blood cells count but it messes up the LDL/HDL ratio in a big way. The Doctor on jaycutler tv said he can say who is taking Winstrol by just looking at their LDL/HDL.
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Barry Gibson User profile
No winstrol does not effect the red blood cell count. However, it lowers your good high density lipoprotein or hdl in a big way and raises your low density lipoprotein or the ldl, in effect it really has a negative impact on those hdl to ldl ratios. It is hepatotoxic so use only 5 or 6 weeks maximum, and bare in mind that it will really dry out joints. However on the plus side it will lower your shbg causing other stacked steroids to work better than they otherwise would.
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I have afib and I need to cut and fast to help with my weight issues I`ve used gear before to get huge now I`m older and packing on weight I bought the injectable winny but after reading the blogs how how bad it hurts would I be ok to do the 50 in tabs if I take a liver pill and drink lots of water? I just can`t have anything that will speed up my heart rate please help
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John Rambo User profile
Cutting weight comes down to diet. You need to run a calorie deficit and combine it with cardio and training and you will get to where you want to be. There is no secret steroid that it going to get you where you want to be without clean diet. I would start there man
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Dromeo User profile
You have to be very lean in order to see any gains from the Winstrol oral or injectable. If you`re out of shape you`re wasting your money. Depending how quickly you`re trying to cut up, you might wanna consider running test/ eq/ masteron. Unfortunately the quickest way to shed weight and cut up would be clen buyer ok but that would mess with your heart rate.
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Drew User profile
Yes you can run the oral winnie at 50mg everyday. But you might want to look into some clen as well. Like stated by others you also need to diet as much as you possibly can and do cardio at least 4 days a week.
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Smith441 User profile Expert
Winny wrecks your ldl ratio in few days which is not good for your health. You can cut weight naturally without gear with a calorie deficit diet. If you really want to take something primo use the mildest cutting gear and trt dose test.
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Matthew User profile
I hate to say it brother but it`s all diet. Dial that in and you are good to go. Got to put in the work. Just like taking pip for winny. However I have no issue with winny and pip. Once your workout is good and diet is good then winny will cut you up. Winny cannot do it all or else everyone would walk around being sexy as me! 🙂 good luck!!
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N88 User profile
Anabollics may speed up your metabolism a little but it still takes diet and a caloric deficit to lose pounds. If you have afib I wouldnt take any compounds until you shred the weight. It`s not worth putting your heath at risk.
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I`m starting my first beginners cycle of Winstrol and Test E soon and I`m looking for a bit of advice. I normally have slightly elevated systolic blood pressure (125 to 130 mmHg), but my diastolic has always been fine (under 80). Much earlier in the year I got 3 weeks into a Test E and Dbol cycle but had to quit because of uncomfortable side effects likely due to elevated bp or maybe elevated anxiety levels (had uncomfortable palpitations, chest tightness, feelings of panic that would onset very randomly and suddenly). I wanted to know what I could do this time around before, during, and after my cycle to keep my blood pressure down and prevent myself from running into the side effects I experienced last cycle? Thanks
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Fit_mom User profile
May want to be very cautious with this. Get a physical and a blood panel done to make sure you dont have any underlying health problems. Many people think they are healthy but they have adjusted to the way life is for them. It`s not until the kid with a heart problem finds out he had a heart problem and is dead on the football field. I would suggest to anyone before they start gear to make sure you are healthy enough to run gear. Good luck
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evan johnson User profile Expert
You shouldn`t have as much trouble with this stack as you did with dbol but if it is an underlying condition I would be careful.
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John Rambo User profile
Yes i would definitely get a sports physical to get your body checked out. Followed by a full round of pre cycle blood work. Need to make sure your in ok shape to even begin a cycle. It may be in your best interest to tell your doctor what you plan to do. They cannot do anything but advise you. If course they will say not to do it but you guys can go from there. You only get one body. Do your best to take care of it
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Gman User profile Expert
Keeping the test at a lower dosage will help cutting sodium down during cycle drinking a gallon of water a day, cardio daily even If for 15 minutes. Ising an AI if nessacery splitting pins I to keep stable levels .
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Daniel Kostov User profile
lower dose and take 81mg asprin before bed to help with blood pressure. Be sure to keep up with cardio and have a clean diet aswell
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Matthew User profile
Sounds like you have anxiety and worry too much. I m not trying to minimize your issue. I m suggestions if you think something bad is going to happen it will happen. You know. As for BP. I have a little high BP. I mitigate it with cardio. Not 5 miles run. Just a mile slow run. The days I run my BP is on point. Also you should just start out easy with testE only cycle. Then increase dose. Find that sweet spot. If it`s really anxiety then once you are used to gear then you can throw in winstrol and dbol and whatever. IMHO you are experiencing anxiety on gear. 130/80 is not high. But I am not a doctor.
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Ok last word. I just now ordered 2 packs of winny on sale. The total was 62.40 (amazing!) I selected to get the rewards (i have 76$) and they took out 37.40 from my rewards (i could not do this myself) and returned the rest to my rewards account. that left me with just the shipping to pay– $25, this I could not get around. I did not receive the bitcoin discount or the loyalty credit, as i had expected. I then turned around and made the exact same order and Did NOT select to use the remainder of my rewards but on this order I got the loyalty and bitcoin discount. Someone said savings is savings and I totally agree. but by doing it the first way i got a hundred bucks worth of gear for $25 and the second way for $63. So it`s all good either way but there are nuance to this and if I play my cards right I really get great savings. I appreciate all the help and everyone`s feedback
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LongIslandBEAST User profile
Likewise I have had to play around a bit to find out what works together but once you figure it out given enough time you can really clean up and take names. Especially if you’re able to pull in a decent amount of referrals giving you those nice boosts to the rewards pool. Discount codes and taking gear pics, utilize every discount they give and I will still spend thousands a year but also save thousands which to me is a perfect business relationship.
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Mike Jones User profile Expert
The reason 24roids did this is because if your $100 order came to $5 with rewards points and your half way across the world that won`t even pay for the whole shipping cost that falls upon 24roids and it`s venders
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Jasonz User profile
Thanks for the info Dr Scott it seems to be abit of a lottery whether rewards get taken off or not as some experience it and some don`t. Thanks for letting us all know this most recent experience.
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nickname_518 User profile
Can`t blame 24roids for not letting the rewards pay for the shipping but it`s still a great deal!
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Fit_mom User profile
When using rewards credit it will not pay for shipping. Maybe at one time those claim they have been able to use both rewards and loyalty. It has been like this for a while, one or the other but not both at the same time. Good luck
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nickname_21 User profile Expert
That`s nice and all, but then you had to pay for shipping twice. So that`s 50 bucks worth of shipping wether or not you got discounts, couldn`t of you just put it all on 1 order and saved more.
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Ok, so I spoke with 24roids again about combining the rewards and loyalty per 24roids yesterday you cannot, you cannot also combine A rewards credit and still get the 10% bitcoin biscount. The only time this really comes into play is if you opt to get the rewards credit then you loose loyalty and bitcoin. the loyalty is automatic and rolls over so you can use it for the next order (as long as this is done within 90 days because loyalty does expire but the rewards dont). the bitcoin you loose forever so that is important. Some people will say to make sure that you select the loyalty discount but there is no way to do this, it is automatic and is applied at their discretion the rewards credit is the only one you can select as you see fit. I have put some thought and research into this. Also Zach, Why do you keep telling people that AAs DO NOT HELP to burn fat. When all AAs do exactly that, I can cite probably ten ways that aas assist you in burning fat. No one does a cycle and says I`m hoping to gain a good 5-6 pounds of solid belly fat. They have been giving cows Tren for decades to burn fat and create lean muscle with amazing success and heifers barely work out at all lol. Muscle synthesis takes energy from fat metabolism and simply having more muscle mass creates a higher resting metabolism and burns fat that way. there are literally a dozen other reasons that AAs assist in lipid metabolism, you`ll just have to take my word for it. Of course I agree that diet and cardio play a much larger role but I`ve heard you say this a few times and I wonder on your thinking, you come across as a bright guy but this is just bad info, I cannot see any way around that. Maybe you are just using the wrong compounds to arrive at this line of thought but I have noticeable fat reductions with each cycle. Of course if you are using compounds that cause a lot of bloat it is difficult to see if you are burning fat, no matter how much.
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LongIslandBEAST User profile
Good info as usually Doc. Yeah I never understood when people say they don’t burn fat when clearly they do. Eat the same and take AAS and see if you don’t become more lean. I always do even when I’m not running Tren but Tren does seem to be the best fat burning injectable I have used thus far. Like you stated if you are taking something that will boost your estrogen up and it makes you bloat of course you will have appeared to gain fat but mostly it’s water so effectively you look like you gained fat but you didn’t. And what I do is I use my rewards credit in one transaction and anything else I will use a discount code if I have one and try to combine that with the bitcoin discount but ten you are also limited to non sale items so usually I get Euro labs as these are never on sale. GP is always on sale and prices higher than most other labs strangely. Compared to Dragon anyhow which I see as their main competition.
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Zach Linder User profile Expert
Please let me clarify, You are correct they ASSIST with burning fat, but you can`t just inject a compound and expect a miracle. I completely agree that you could see fat reduction more so with certain compounds (parabolin/tren is the perfect example), but I have also seen people take this so literal that they simply 100% rely on the supplement to do everything for them, which is not how it works…by the way, I did have 24roids confirm that only this Geneza tablet sale will allow for an additional 10% taken off with Crypto (24roids employer Randi said this (Thank you Randi!))
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Unc33135 User profile
Hmm strange because ive always used loyalty and reward discounts at the same time. Unless this was just changed recently im not sure. But i even went back and looked at my past orders to double check and both discounts are used. Also, yes great point that having more muscle causes your body to burn more calories at rest. Aas certainly help with fat loss. Ive done plenty of cycles where i didnt change my diet at all and lost alot of fat but didnt lose any weight.
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patsalos mixalis User profile
I agree man thanks, they burn fat by using energy to create ew muscle and increasing weight increases calories burned.
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Anonymous User profile
Thanks for the heads up on the rewards! And yes absolutely, i agree. Some AAS like Tren, winny, var, mast are cutting compounds..and they’ll burn fat especially Tren and having the good diet of course but they do if not BB wouldn’t use them for cutting.
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N88 User profile
Thx again for the update on the loyalty and rewards rule. So on fat burning, i think you`re both saying the same thing. One could say and agree that anabolics aren`t “fat burners” where the compound directly zaps fat away, BUT they do greatly increase metabolism and help the body in overall fat burning. In the example above on keeping your maintenance off cycle diet while ON is a good way to simplify how a cycle instantly could put you in a calorie deficit which will in turn help with fat loss.
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I am 4 weeks from a mma fight and was running 50mg of anavar daily along with 500MG Test C and 400 Deca a week, but I am running out of anavar. I have some GP Stan 50 that i was thinking of adding these last 4 weeks. Thoughts on that?
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Anonymous User profile
I mean you could, but imo just finish the cycle the way you were running and save the Stan for later.
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Susta User profile
Winstrol might add bulk so be careful if you are looking to be in a certain weight class. I guess as long as you eat very clean you should not put on much mass but contrary to what people think Winstrol makes you gain mass. Even though it doesn`t aromatize much it still puts on good quality mass. I`ve gained about 15 pounds in 4 weeks on it.
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Zach Linder User profile Expert
Why 2 orals in one cycle? Not worth it, pick one of the other…should not need to get into detail why, this should be common sense. pray your league doesn`t drug text thir fighters lol good luck
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RJB16 User profile
Agreed save for later as stated, be careful is they test it will show.
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Swoleville User profile
I agree save it for later
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Juice24roids User profile Expert
Save the winny as it`s harsh on your joints and just continue as planned.
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Can this be stacked with Test Cyp, Tbols, proviron and Winstrol is so at what dose?
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SteveC User profile
Well this is winstrol, so you would be stacking winstrol with more winstrol. Personally I dont like using more than one oral at a time unless the other one is Provieon, so I would choose between tbol or winstrol if I were you.
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Lord User profile
I wouldn`t stack winstrol with tbol. Pick one or the other. You can stack either with the proviron and test.
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Bradley Ouzts User profile
Choose one , t-bol or winnie, and run it with your shots. If you combine the 2 orals you won`t know how you react to each one.
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omeed haji User profile
I would stack winny with test I wouldn’t stack with tbol or proviron winny with test you gonna get better results
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LongIslandBEAST User profile
This is winstrol so don’t take both injectable and oral winny. You can combine with test for sure but I would be weary of taking more than one oral at a time as you will have liver issues and feel like a bag of crap every day which isn’t worth the month worth of cuts you experience. Best bet is to combine test prop with injectable stanazolol and add in tbol as your oral. That way you get the benefits of winstrol in injectable form and your oral can help out even more. Since the winstrol will need to be injected often it’s worth switching to Test Propionate. If this is too much for you switch to Test Enanthate or Cypionate and take oral winstrol and throw in masteron, EQ or even Tren if you can handle that. This is of course if you have taken at least six to ten cycles. First five cycles should be test and one other compound max and then move up to multiple injectables and an oral. Find a dose that’s right for you but I’m my experience 500mg of Test is good but 350mg can also be more than fine if combined with something else. Recently I took 350mg Test Prop with 600mg EQ and 300mg NPP and got sick gains. I had previously done test/EQ cycles so I found the dose that worked for me and simply added the nandrolone to it. I stay away from orals now a days as they seek to make me feel bad quick. Winstrol oral should be 50mg a day split in half. Masteron you can take 200-400mg a week and EQ I would take 600mg a week. Good luck.
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YD1 User profile
Hey bud. Ive seen people so it but I dont advise it and if you still do just make sure you have good liver support. Good luck
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Can stack test cyp tools and winstrol, if so at what dose. Thanks for the response.
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Will User profile Expert
If this is your first cycle, I wouldnt recommend it. If you`ve ran a couple cycles, sure, stacking with an oral is a solid option. Start winny out at 25mg daily for your first run along with your test dose.
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Anabolix250 User profile
As stated above if this is your first cycle take test only. Add an oral on the next one. If you do take the winny I would also do as stated and start at 25mg ED. When your starting out less is more. It makes more sense to take less for results for as long as possible. Hope this helps. Good luck!!!
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Greenleanmass User profile
First cycle use test only see your results then PCT or cruise for a month and try the winstrol but add some test when if you do decide to do a only test cycle first get more test for the winstrol for next cycle. 25mg a day would be good even 10mg a day with right diet you will achieve your goal God bless stay safe.
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N88 User profile
Yes they stack well together but as the others states if this is your first go just do test 300-400 mgs per week. Winny isnt that great unless you are lean af. In fact if your bf it is above 15%-ish you might not see much of a difference in getting better lines. All this depends on your goals on what you should take. Are you bulking, cutting, or just doing a lean bulk?
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Manster User profile
Yeah that`s a solid stack. For me 250 mgs of cyp twice a week, tbol2 30 mgs every day for 6 weeks, then start winny at 50 mgs ed for last6 weeks. Should be good.
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mchilds User profile
Taper the winni as tolerated for 6 weeks. First week 25 then 35 then 50mg/day if tolerated. Do cyp at 400-600mg a week for minimal water retention. I think prop better personally. But everyone is different so it’s best to start off low and gradually increase. It sounds as if this is your first cycle by the nature of your question so if that’s the case do only test and save the wini for cycle 2. Otherwise you will just be wasting the wini imho
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Hi, this is gonna be my first cycle I have a few questions.How do I take these tabs and for how long?What are the side effects and do I have to take pct during cycle? Any recommendations for pct?Can I just take winstrol alone or should I add something with it? Thank you so much.. p s sorry for my bad grammar.
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nickname_48 User profile Expert
For your first cycle you should do testosterone only no more than 500mg a week. For pct clomid and nolva taken for 4 weeks. Clomid 50/50/25/25mg, nolva 40/40/20/20mg
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N88 User profile
It`s best to run winny w/test since your natural test production will be suppressed. Really for the first cycle it`s best to just take test E or C only then run PCT 14 days after last pin. 300-400 mgs a week. Test should always be used as a base.
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YD1 User profile
Hey. If you want to do it right and test out your body before throwing any orals at it. You need to know how testosterone is and how it makes you feel before orals. My first cycle was just test at 200mg/week for several months before I raised it. But just incase you still wish to do winny ut can be at 50mg everyday split. But you will still need testosterone as a base. Good luck
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Md Phd User profile
PCT is your first purchase, Climid 50mg twice daily and HCG if you wish with an A.I. A first cycle of Winstrol tabs is a bit odd. What are your goals? If perhaps you wish to increase lean muscle mass then the typical route is Testosterone P, E, C (as stated) alone. You can add EQ or Trenbolone which increases nitrogen retention in muscle tissue though you must keep dosages low due to your high sensitivities.
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J.P. User profile Expert
The easy answer to, how to you take Winstrol for your first cycle, is, you don`t. How does your body react to exogenous testosterone? Because you`re going to want to have that figured out before you add in any additional drugs. Recently I`ve adopted the mindset that if someone is asking about PCT and additional cycle drugs at the same time, then they shouldn`t be using anything at all. Please, do the research and teach yourself about post cycle therapy. There is so much easily accessible information online that`s been out for over a decade. No one here can truly tell you how to run a proper PCT. Sorry. That`s just the truth. All you`re getting is the cookie cutter approach. What happens when that doesn`t work? Look into Dr. Thomas O`connor, Dr. George Touliatos, Michael Scally, or Thomas Llewellyn for PCT info before you start. Also, don`t run Trenobolone, anything besides testosterone, or use the 100mg a day protocol for Clomiphene.
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Swolebro User profile
Like others said, stick to testosterone only for your first cycle. 500mg/week taken 3.5 days apart should be fine (Monday morning/ Thursday evening). You need to use test as your base due to oral steroids shutting down your natural production. If you`re dead set on taking an oral steroid, be sure to look into liver support supplements due to their toxicity and maybe start with a more mild steroid such as tbol. Clomid and nolvadex are good for pct. Goodluck bro.
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I had blood pressure issues on dianabol, will winstrol likely give me similar issues?
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anon5_uk User profile Expert
It will have less of an impact on blood pressure than dianabol. You need to incorporate LISS in your workout routine to manage high blood pressure problems.
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Swoleville User profile
You need to manage your high blood pressure with medication. I take lisinopril
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Jimmy User profile
I don`t believe winstrol will effect your BP. I had issues with dbol as well as tren. I take Lisinopril to combat the high blood pressure and I works pretty well. I still have some light issues. I have been taking proviron without any issues so there is another option.
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nickname_537 User profile
Less impact on blood pressure with winstrol.
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Nashdaddy User profile
Im prone to high bp. Yet winstrol has yet to give me major issues. Slight elevation but nothing like dbol. My personal experience.
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Jackie User profile
I have high blood pressure as well and it spikes when I’m on Wonstrol. You have to keep that in check if you decide to use it. Limit red meat intake