Has anyone used this? Ive read that igf is very experience, and rarely real, and almost always fake. anyone use this?
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Kbird User profile
I used this for a few months, along the use of GH. I couldn’t tell if it were real, as my levels were slightly elevated. I opted not to run it again.
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john smith User profile
Yes, I ran it for a few months. I didn’t see any difference in growth during or the months and cycles after.
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jenna User profile
No, but I have opted not to use it, because my dr gave me the same information. It is too fake, and almost never real.
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Turducken User profile
Ive used igf through so many cycles, and wish i could say it was great, and worked to increase growth. I cant say it did anymore than a feew ius of gh, and even then its minimal.
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Simpleton User profile
I wish I could say IGF was real, even on here and even at a higher price. It is just too often faked and not something UGL are able to manufacture.
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igf User profile
I have a few peeps that have run this for months to no result. Its worth trying and seeing how it works for you thought.
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So how do u reconstitute? Bac water alone not good enough some videos say. Is the acid water necessary? Then dilute? I don`t want to waste my money and people seem to say this stuff is amazing. I want to kickstart my hgh 6 month cycle with it. I guess 25 mcg a day or bump to 40 after a week. I hear the pump is so crazy you can barely finish sets. And is every other day better so your body doesn`t normalize to it with the 30 hr halflife? which would mean 50mcg eod I guess for me.. I was thinking of running my HGH like this, double dose every other day instead of daily. Anyone try this either? I hear bigger bursts are better for this sort of thing. Not hypoglycemic bursts of course lol so I get that it`s a fine line prob. Long answers appreciated lol rock on bros
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Lord User profile
I use 1ml of AA water which is 0.6 acetic acid water. I pull the desired dose and add about 15-20 units of BAC Water to dilute the acid. It burns just a little. I use 50 mcg eod.
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similia similibus curentur User profile
I`ve worked in the lab for years and ran it all. I`ve used tape water and added 5% white vinegar, no problems and the bottle sat for months in the fridge. I`ve used bac water and made my own bac. Just refrain from killing your product with an inordinately high does of acid. IF YOU ARE PINNING IV POST WORKOUT ONLY USE BAC. THE ABOVE IS ONLY FOR IM ETC.
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Dr Scott User profile Expert
I mean i never understood why people want to use precusrsers and analogues when you are at NAPs and can get the real deal i would just use HGH and insulin. but to each his own and sounds like its working for you so run it. the only thing i wanted t touch on is the dosing of your hgh, lots of different schools of thought. I have found a few studies and posted them on this forum, they essentially show that gh subq in the belly fat in the evening around a small meal or snack to be ideal in terms of bioavailablity. Thing about GH is that is is secreated naturally from the pituitary in a “pulsitile” manner, in pulses, so people talk about keeping steady blood levels of GH but this is probably not what you want, Sounds like your way may be the most ideal a higher dose every other day, thats what the studies are seeming to indicate. it really comes down to your goals, tolerance and of course bank account. i`d be curious as to what you find optimum when its all said and done. I run 6iu in the evening for 8 months with 1 day off. but may change it up here shorty
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Cyclone User profile Expert
That funny because the reviews I hear about analogs is that they BARELY work, whereas the reviews on real HGH are pretty consistently amazing. After doing tons of research over many years, I would consider these a waste of money, providing only barely noticeable results.
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omeed haji User profile
Just order your staff in Naps they have everything here syringes and hgh everything so good luck brother
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Tiger User profile
You can dilute white vinegar 3 to 1 with bad water and this will work just fine. Its stings a little going in but not anything you cant handle.
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Is there a benefit to stacking this with GH?
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Swoll,onthe,low User profile
Yes insane growth,but do research this is not stuff to play with unless you are a pro and know your shit
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N88 User profile
You can technically stack almost anything with GH but why would you stack these two? GH increases IGF1 so why would you add this on top of it? Hopefully others can shed some light on this theory.
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Big Dogg User profile
If your goal is muscle growth then yes. If your goal is fat loss, any aging, recovery… then no. If you`re asking here then you should probably do a lot of research and get a lot of experience before you try this. This is a stack a pro bodybuilder would use. There are much cheaper options to achieve equivalent gains.
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JD Cycle User profile Expert
Massive growth. But it also can lead to massive complications if not done correctly. You`ll want a LOT of research into IGF before you start. I won`t go near it personally.
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nickname_629 User profile
These secreataloges” are taken if you don’t have the money or don’t want to jump into full blown hgh use. I have never heard of them being stacked with actual growth hormone.
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Is this a good alternative to HGH? Or something to add to an HGH cycle?
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JuiceNaps User profile Expert
IGF-1 is great for increasing the strength of tendons and also for helping to heal existing injuries while at the same time helping to prevent them. IGF-1 is also responsible for increased protein synthesis and amino acid synthesis. IGF does not have to be used along with anabolic steroids, GH, insulin, or thyroid hormones to be effective. It causes muscle growth on its own. In fact some people prefer to use it during their breaks from steroid cycles since IGF has no effect on natural test production. It could effectively be used along with HCG, Clomid, and PGF2a for a hell of an off cycle stack which would allow your body to return to normal and still allow you to grow. IGF is much more potent at this effect than growth hormone is, in fact almost all of the effects you see from growth hormone come from the increased amount of IGF that your liver produces when the GH is destroyed. So it would be very easy to say that IGF is a much more potent and cheaper alternative to GH use, although GH is more effective for fat loss than IGF due to some other effects that it causes such as metabolism increase and the ability to effectively use more insulin, t3, and anabolic steroids. Another advantage that IGF has over GH is that it has much more of an affinity to attach to muscle cells instead of bone and organ cells. Growth hormone has been know to cause a lot of organ enlargement and bone elongation since it attaches to all types of receptor cells. IGF is much more likely to go where we want it, our muscle cells. Thanks for the question.
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Drew User profile
Well you definitely want to run test with hgh it Intensifies the effect of the hgh. I would need more information of you cycling history and your stats to give you more Accurate information.
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skitt User profile
I don`t think it would neccesarely a better alternative. it would just be depending on your goals… but its very affective and would be good used alone or with HGH.. good luck
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Swoll,onthe,low User profile
So what dose and when is this to be took?
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Jack User profile
I e we jukebox big use this in place if HGH. You can`t beat a cycle of Test abc about 6/8 months if HGH. It`s as d sad loss we as n c steady process but the Ed g as hbb bc as as te geest
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omeed haji User profile
You still want to run test with for best results and good muscle mass u can still put some oral to in your cycle
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Dosage and duration? Side effects? Would it be useful for a powerlifter?
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Daniel Kostov User profile
dose for IGF-Lr3 is usually 20-60mcg/day as for how long to run it id say 30 days. IGF1 in general can cause some pretty bad side effects more so than hGH. It can cause organ growth and growth of tumours rapidly. I would make sure you know your 100% clear of tumors at the very least. other side effects might be swelling of the jaw, hands and feet and problems with your heart rhythm. The higher your dose the higher the sides. Regarding if its good for powerlifters I would say unless your trying to increase mass in a bulking cycle there are way better compounds for increasing your lifts rapidly. You probably know this but Anadrol, d-bol, Halo would all be better choices if you don`t mind the liver toxicity. For injectables id recommend Tren (again if your ok with the sides) deca, test-suspension. Naps has a TNE-dbol mix (75mG-25MG) that would be more effective for a rapid increase in strength for a workout/PL meet.
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anonymous255 User profile
I do 20mcg pre or post workout for four weeks and then two weeks off. It is great for size but not great for powerlifting and will actually hurt you if you have to make a weight class. You will hold a lot of glycogen and water on it. I think it’s more of a product for bodybuilders. I would use test, tren, superdrol, and halo for powerlifting.
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NPC LIFE User profile
Honestly bro, drugs are drugs. It don’t matter what you take. Bodybuilding or powerlifting is a matter of training and diet. Train to be a power lifter or train to be a body builder. You need to lose a few lbs for a weight class sit in a sauna and sweat out some water. Eat to be a power lifter or eat to be a body builder. Everyone always asks me what I’m taking to get so lean. The real question is what am I eating. It’s all in the training and diet. Good luck be safe
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Manster User profile
It`d be good in small amounts not going into a contest to increase strength for training to get ac ustomed to heavier loads. Not ideal but you could use it.
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nickname_537 User profile
20mcg prior to or after workout, no more than 30 days in a row with a 2 week break from my research man. Not the best as it can grow already existing tumors, I`d stick with roids.
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BABA User profile
Do not use one drug for one purpose or another. Your diet and training determine what you`ll be good at.
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Yeah, all mike did was cut and paste off Wikipedia, so actually Wikipedia is right on the money. .. and I was argueing the fact that he recommended HGH over IGF Lr3 on the supposition that IGF isn`t “real” which is totally WRONG. Under the same logic, that would mean oxcontin is a “fake” opiate, or even heroin for that matter since it undergoes chemical changes during the purifying process, or that Somatropin is “fake” because its not created by the body. I suppose its a case for debate, but I will shut up now and leave it to the “Expert”
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ViktorN User profile
Like I mentioned before. It doesn’t matter if one is “fake” or not as long as it works. Some works better than others. When you r talking about proteins and catalytic rxns. It boiled down to active sites, intensity of the ligand-active sites (net charges/affinity) and concentration. In your example, heroin is fake. It came from natural morphine I poppy but had to be chemically altered. By human, so is it fake? Fentanyl precursor is just a chemical that’s man-made and doesn’t occur in natural. HGH is made by human. But if you take the DNA sequence of hgh and cut it and then inserted in a bacteria or a yeast so it can replication in the billion and then purified only that proteins and not cell walks, bacterial materials, junk protein, etc is that fake. That doesn’t happen in nature. But the DNA sequence which produce the 191 amino acid is identical in human or bacteria/yeast. Is one fake? In short my friends, it doesn’t matter as long as it works for you. So will you please pass me the syringe?
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B Rad User profile Expert
Quality IGF-1 is an amazing compound that can assist in pushing an excellent bodybuilder into an elite level bodybuilder. If youre ready for the compound its nothing to shy away from and can put massive amounts of muscle on someone who is ready for it but its not for everyone.
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SocalJuicer User profile Expert
I`ve noticed on a number of occasions, one or more individuals obviously “cutting and pasting” answers on this site. No disrespect, but Napsgear has created this EXTRAORDINARILY generous program where we get paid to share our knowledge and experiences with less seasoned users. .. I would hate to see this get cancelled because a couple of users are recycling internet content rather than actually taking time to respond in a personalized manner.
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Bulkgirl User profile
I got hammered on here because I questioned advice being given to women from men “experts”. I literally laugh at some of the advice given to women, 100% of the time it’s either “you don’t need steroids” or take anavar lol. Hopefully people go to other forums to get a broader perspective. Eroids is my favorite.
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anon5_uk User profile Expert
IGF-1 is almost impossible to get pharma grade. It would of course be better than HGH but at what cost? HGH has same pathway of action, and you have plenty of pharma grade options on Naps that you can be sure of is the real deal. IGF-1 has an exponentially higher chance of being fake, HGH over IGF-1 for sure.
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LegacyLifter User profile
Hgh is tried and true which is why people stick to it.
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I have read some responses that dont seem correct with the research I have done. Someone stated that IGF-LR3 “is not real IGF” which is untrue. That would be like saying that Oxycontin is not a real opiate just because its synthetic. Yes it is lab created but that makes it no less real than Somatropin is HGH which is comical that the person told you to “just get some HGH instead” when they are in fact both synthetic forms of a peptide created by almost identical laboratory procedures. The person is touted as an “Expert” on this site however the information given is incorrect.
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Mike Jones User profile Expert
IGF-1 Long R3, or IGF-1 LR3, is a form of IGF that has been chemically altered with changed amino acids. It consists of 83 amino acids with a substation of Arg(R) for the Glu(E) at position three, hence, the name R3. The altercations enable it to avoid binding to proteins in the body, which allows it to have a longer half-life. IGF-1 LR3 is more potent than the regular IGF-1 because of the decreased binding of Long R3 IGF-1 to IGF binding proteins. Its main purpose is to increase the biological activity of IGF. Essentially, when IGF-1 LR3 is active in the body, it functions differently in different types of tissues. For instance, in muscle tissue, it makes the muscle more sensitive to insulin`s effects, such as a reduction in fat storage. But while IGF-1 LR3 helps fat reduction, a person using it will experience weight gain because of the increase in pure-muscle weight.
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JB Beckham User profile
Mike Jones is right on the $$ with this. Solved!!
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Micheal Ervin User profile
Igf-2 Lr3 could be considered igf but it is structurally altered from real igf ie Increlex to be made cheaper they do not react the same way in the body either real igf causes enlarged growth of skeletal muscle while simultaneously causing bone growth igf lr3 is the long Arginine version of igf which is structurally different and it does not increase the skeletal muscle at the same rate as increlex or gh converted to igf. Your analogy of somatotropin is misbased, somatotropin is an actual hgh product just a brand name Version
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ViktorN User profile
I was puzzled from the response after this question so I had to go back and see. Actually my friends you all are right and also wrong. No one like knows about igf effect on all the “systems”. It’s a hormone and by what scientists understand is that it is produce from on organ and affect on another organ. It could effect multiple organs so no one really can track all. It’s a cascade effect. Even in the name will tell you, insulin-like growth factor. “Like”-like what the heck. .. .:) as for amino acid (aa). There are only 20 aa naturally can be made by animal. Each aa came from (attach) tRNA. Each tRNA will release one aa by RNA sequence called anticodon. These codon must matched with the mRNA called codon. Of the 3 RNA if 2 only matched it will release a different aa. So the sequence is misread produce the incorrect amino sequence. Just because one or two of the 191 aa are incorrect it doesn’t matter just as long as the aa the bind to the active site is correct. Of these aa they then fold and bend. These form structures of hormones. First there are primary structure, then secondary. Then tertiary. them quartinary Some of these aa sequence is mortified to change the hormone shape or the intensity of the binding . These can be done through recombinant and/or chemically. In today’s labs no one really know. Really. All we know is it works. So we keep doing it. But then again if it works now will it work 5 years from now? This is wear cancers and sides effects lead to complication. In short, no one 100% knows. It a guessing game. Everyone cool? Please pass me the syringe!! 🙂 btw in amino acids there are also right-hand and left-hand amino acids. Humancan only use lefthand. Ever heard of L-Tryptophan??
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John User profile Expert
Somatropin is identical to your own GH. IGF-1 lr3 is not identical to your own IGF-1. Somatropin is GH, IGF-1 Lr3 isn`t IGF-1. Both somatropin and igf-1 lr3 may be synthetically produced, but one is identical to what can be found naturally in your body, and the other one isn`t. So you are mistaken. Not that it matters though.
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Dan J User profile
IGF-1 Lr3 is indeed not “real” IGF-1, it isn`t the same structurally. IGF-1 Lr3 is also not found naturally in your body, whereas taking IGF-1 is like raising a molecule in your body that was already present there before. That`s not to say IGF-1 Lr3 doesn`t work; supposedly with the addition of arg, it is made x3 more potent and more body stable as well. Me personally, I would stick to HGH, since Naps has a nice variety of it, including from Pfizer which I am a fan of.
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Has anyone taken this IGF- kit I really like the way it looks and it comes package does anyone recommend this that has taken it and do they believe it is legit and real IGF-1 did you get good ganes and results out of this and anyone that took this did they get their blood work done and checked there IGF levels and know that this is a legit IGF-1
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Mike Jones User profile Expert
It’s important to remember this is igf Lr3 and not actual igf-1 the difference is that Lr3 is a analogue of the igf amino acid chain the idea is that it mimics igf in the liver and therefore makes you grow, the problem with igf Lr3 is that it is not real igf there is only one real igf product made in Europe that the pros use and its very expensive and very hard to get, your best bet to actually increase your igf-1 levels is to get some good hgh and run 6-10 ius a day this will provide the results you want
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Jaris User profile
My gym buddy used it, he said that he felt amazing, and had great results, but it depends on your own body.
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ltl trucker User profile
nsulin-like Growth Factor-1 is a peptide hormone that is responsible for most of the anabolic effects of Growth Hormone, as GH converts into IGF-1 in the liver. There are a few issues with taking exogenous IGF-1 vs elevating IGF-1 levels via exogenous GH. 1)most IGF-1 is fake/impure. Real IGF is very expensive to manufacture. When I was in grad school our chemical supplier charged $225 for 100mcg for receptor grade IGF(that’s 1/10 of 1mg). 2)All cancers are associated with high levels of IGF-1. By definition, it’s a growth factor that helps with cell proliferation, a tightly controlled process in healthy cells, but highly upregulated in cancer cells. 3)Conversion of GH to IGF is tightly controlled. Your body has a very delicate system of checks and balances. If your body senses too much IGF, it will downregualte the conversion to IGF in your liver. When you take exogenous IGF, you bypass these safety mechanisms and can lead to unwanted cell proliferation, including heart tissue. 4)Never use LR3. The hype of LR3(a chemical modification on the amino acid sequence) is that it extends the half-life to 20hr. This is bc it doesn’t bind to the IGF binding proteins, so it “floats around” in your body longer. The problem is IGF must bind to these proteins in order to be translocated to the proper areas in the body where IGF binds. This is why Increlex is not LR3. Just my 2 cents.
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RJB User profile
I have seen and heard mixed thoughts. I used Igf-lr3 and felt good but didn`t see the results I thought I would. As stated with HGH at 6-10 IU`s you will see amazing results.
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Micheal Ervin User profile
Stay away from peptides and get some real gh it will give you the results you want without wasting your money
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mchilds User profile
This won’t give you the results you are looking for per the reasons already stated. I agree that getting hgh is the way to go. You will get much better results with brown tops
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If Reconstituting with 1ml of water where would 50mcgs be at on the syringe
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Mike Jones User profile Expert
Considering each vial is 100mcg a piece then with 1ml of bac water the 50mcg mark would be . 5 ml or 50units on the syring.
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anon5_uk User profile Expert
50 mcg would be at “50 units” on your 1 mL (100 unit) insulin syringe.
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RJB User profile
1 Ml of Bac water you would need to go to the . 5 mi on the Insulin needle to get 50 Mcg of you r Igf-Lr3.
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Greg Landes User profile
f you have used 1ml of AA for mixing then a 50mcg dosage = 0. 05ml (or 5 units on Insulin Syringe).
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evanjohnson347 User profile Expert
50 mcgs would be at . 5ml or 50 units on your insulin syringe.
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Nickolas User profile
You might want to check into a reconstitution Calculator, you can Google this on the Internet and will make this process very easy.
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Does 10 vials equal 100mcg at 10mc each vial or 10 (100mcg) vials at 100mcg each vial?
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Mike Jones User profile Expert
Each vial contains 100mcg so since you have 10 vials you’d have 1,000mcg of IGF Lr3 the dosage is usually 20-50mcg a day for men so you’ll be using a quarter to half a vial a day.
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Lav3ga User profile Expert
Yeah man, ten vials at 100mcg so your getting a mg if you scoop the ten. To get a good run of this your looking to go through about 2 vials a week. Maybe more if your experienced in the igf game. Always fun to stack with some growth and slin, but only if your WELL versed in that shit.
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Don O User profile Expert
Each individual vial is 100mcg so ten vials is a total of 1000mcg.
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Socaljuicer User profile Expert
Each individual vial contains 100mcgs, so the complete kit of ten vials contains a total of 1000 mcgs. This works out to a 3-5 week supply.
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anon5_uk User profile Expert
Each vial has 100 mcg of substance in them. 10 vials have 10 x 100 mcg in them.
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evan johnson User profile Expert
Each vial contains 100 mcgs making for 1000 mcgs among the 10 vials.
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What would be the average dosing on this? I`ve seen anywhere from 25 mcg to 160 mcg. And are there any drastic or notable benefits to IGF-1 over HGH? Thanks
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Mike Jones User profile Expert
Dosages are as follows for IGF-1 LR3: No more than approximately 40 – 50mcg per day should be used by men, and no more than 20mcg per day for females. Because of its long active half-life in the body, the LR3 variant should only be administered once and no more than twice per day. On training/workout days, the IGF-1 dosage should be administered either just before the workout or just after the workout. It is up to the user’s preference. As far as comparisons they both work fairly similar (in a way) but most ppl have noted that igf has more negative side effects and can cause hypoglycemia a lot quicker than hgh
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Dan Drought User profile
The highest dosage you should ever run is 10-30mcg’s if you need more then it’s probably fake or underdosed except this product is definitely not and should be used carefully. IGF is an extremely anabolic substance which contributes to the muscle growth you see from HGH.
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bigmurph User profile Expert
Jeff ive done alot of research on igf1lr3 and I believe that the best way to use it is with hgh.The dosing 25mcg to 160mcg is crazy igf1 is strong and it will actually make your internal organs grow so you want to keep the dose as low as possible to just get the benefits from using it stacked with hgh.I would use 20mcg pwo and then 20mcg after my last big meal of the day.The benefits over hgh are that you are using just the igf1 instead of using hgh which effects your igf levels.I would recommend using them together. They have a great synergistic effect when used together to help grow and help cells recover much faster.I would say that unless you are a very advanced bodybuilder that high doses are not necessary at all. Igf1lr3 especially stacked with hgh will give you very fast gains with the proper diet and training.It can also come with very strong side effects and is a compound that needs to be taken carefully.
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What do you use to reconstitute the igf lr3?
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anonymous_855
Hello, i am a old Bodybuilder 55 Years old. I want use IGF 1 D3 Long , what i must use by side to IGF 1 ?RAlph
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anonymous_796
.06 acedic water
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Mike Jones User profile Expert
Ideally you would use Bacteriostatic Water, if not available you could always use sterile saline made for injections. With the dose being 100 mcg a day you would just use 1ml of the solution to reconstitute and split the doses throughout the day.