hi can someone evaluate my pre contest cutting cycle and please let me know if you would change anything with it. Test p 350mg/wk EOD 1-12, Tren a 250mg/wk EOD 4-12, Mast p 400mg/wk EOD 7-12, Anavar 40-60mg ED 6-12, Clen 20-40-60mg ED 6-12, T3 25-50mcg ED 6-12. i have adex 0.5mg EOD and caber (i would still asses the dosage depends on the sides) on hand. No pct planning to cruise at 200mg of test/wk. TIA
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Bob Johneser User profile
Im not a precontest expert, but I would slightly taper the test prop as you go to really tighten up as you get closer to showtime.
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Trensetter User profile
yeah correction i`ll drop test p and tren at week 11. thanks
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johnnymnemonic User profile
If you feel ok you can drop off test 1 week out. You can also run it if you add letro. I would drop it and use test susp just befor the contest. Start tren 1 week earlier and drop it 4-7 days before contest. Add Masteron one week earlier than planned. Anavar ok.Start clen only if you are alredy lean, which you should be 4-6 weeks before contest. But your dose is too small. You can easily reach 100-120 mcg if your body gets used to to sides by then. Use caber al the time when on tren. Use adex all the time when test prop is in the cycle.
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Trensetter User profile
i really appreciate the response. thanks for the info.
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johnnymnemonic User profile
You`re welcome. BTW, test+tren+master+oxa+clen = great pre contest stack, one of my favourites:) If your diet and trainings are on spot you should do great.
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Patriot_1234 User profile Expert
Johnny said it best IMO, kudos to him and good luck to you.
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I have some tren on deck from around 6 months ago when I stopped working out. I gained some weight during the quarantine from just being lazy and not doing hone workouts while the gyms weren’t open and I went from 170 to 180. If I want to lose some weight and get down to 160, should I start taking this tren with test or should I look into getting another compound such as winstrol? I used winstrol in my first ever cycle with test and I loved the results. I was at 160 before I ever started juicing 2 years ago, how long do you guys think it would take me to get back down to 160? I just feel way too buff now and I don’t like the look.
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EQhead User profile Expert
So if you were happier where you were before using gear, then eliminate gear from the equation. You can get into great shape without gear, but your diet and training intensity need to be in check. This next statement may piss you off, but I say it as constructive criticism. If you gained weight during quarantine it`s not because the gyms were closed, but you lacked motivation. I leaned up while maintaining bodyweight during quarantine by doing calisthenics and resistance band workouts. There`s a ton of ways to exercise without weights. Just using bodyweight and increasing time under tension will give you great results while allowing for joint healing and recovery. If you want to stay on gear, try running Test at 300mg/week and Tren at 200mg/week. Keep those lower doses, train hard and adapt a balanced but strict diet. You got this brother! Cheers
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Herculees User profile
Tren is not the answer to lose weight. If your goal is to lose weight, then the first thing to do is to check in with your diet. Up the cardio to 3 times a week. 30 mins of hiit for each session will be fine. You can also think about orals like clen and t3 to assist with the weight loss. Once you have got to your desired weight, a cycle of tren and test will be perfect to start creating the shape and size.
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Jason123 User profile
If you don`t know your body well enough to know how long it`ll take to get back to 160 you have shit knowledge of nutrition and your diet. Learn how to eat right before jumping into tren and thinking it`s a miracle drug.
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Patriot_1234 User profile Expert
If you are too muscular and want to lose weight, just diet bro. Clean up the caloric intake and do cardio daily, you`ll get it. No need to run something so hard when you`re goals are easily attainable. Good luck dude.
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Traianos123 User profile
How i see the things for you the diet is the key and to keep your motivation at gym specially when u are off cycle. Test, Tren and Winstrol will help u to get in shape, lose some weight, gain muscle mass and gain power. Make sure u have an estrogen blocker, Cabaser and PCT ready from before.
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So I am looking at running a cycle of 300mg tren a per week and 300mg of test per week for 6 weeks. I am currently 5`5 175lbs with around 14% body fat, by using tren will I gain a lot of weight or will I stay the same and lose body fat % with an average diet? I am trying to lose body fat% and get more of a cut look. I have used tren in the past but I was eating to primarily gain as much weight as possible so I do not know how it will work with a different diet. I have caper on hand, should I take it once per week? Or only when needed? What dose? I only have 8 .25mg pills of caper. I have aromasin and clomid from past cycles but no nolvadex, will I be ok? In the past, I ran cycles and I did not need pct as I got blood tests 3 weeks after my cycle ended and everything was back to normal.
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JD Cycle User profile Expert
You should have enough caber for 0.5 twice a week to be safe. I would also recommend Nolva on hand. When you need these things is too late to order. You`re changing your bodies chemistry after all. Should always to as much into PCT and Ancillaries as you do your cycle. Just trying to look after your health.
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PunchNpie User profile
Since the Tren you`re using is Tren Ace I think you`ll be just fine. That`s the up side of an acetate ester is that if you start having issues all you need to do is stop using it and it will clear your body very quickly. Be sure to do daily injections to ensure your most stable blood levels. Good luck my friend.
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Jason123 User profile
Just a comment on you not needing pct. if your bloodwork showed normal test levels after 3 weeks being off it is because your gear was fake or you still had testosterone in your system from your last shot. Since it was just 3 weeks after I`d say you still had higher testosterone levels from that last shot. There is no way your test levels will be normal 3 weeks after a cycle of tren! Get your pct ready!
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nickname_21 User profile Expert
Tren is a beast and it can do what you want it to. If you want to gain some lean muscle and loose a little body fat your diet has to be on point for that goal. If you want to gain as much muscle as possiable in 6 weeks then your calories need to be high consistently and just so you know it is hard to gain fat on tren but it is possiable so you can get away with eating alot more most should go to muscles. If you want to show off what tren does to the muscles like deffinition hardness then you need to eat at 500cals below maintence that could drop 10lbs in 6 weeks and should look jacked good luck. Oh and 8 weeks would be better assuming your using fast esters like prop acetate
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Has anyone had a package come from California? I ordered about 4-5 weeks ago and out says package coming from CA and have not received it yet. Last package we`d 30 days before that and came from Malaysia and I received it in 2 weeks during the Covid shutdown. Never had one come from CA before. Anyone else?
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nickname_238 User profile
One of mine was in San Fran for a while, usually they come in to New York, but with everything going on I think 24roids is having to change up some of their shipping routes. I waited over 30 days for one order and I got my other one a little sooner. Hang in there Your order will make its way to you.
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TheDude User profile
It was not shipped internationally. It was originally shipped from California. No customs to come through. It was also supposedly shipped FedEx and it says the label is created but not in the system. I have always had international shipments from 24roids and they are here in 2 weeks. This one was domestic and it has been almost 5 weeks. Mail can be delivered from Alaska to Florida in 3 days!! Has anyone else had a shippment originate in California or in the US in general?Thanks
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MikeOxlong User profile
24roids has multiple methods for shipping and to ensure a good delivery rate they must be creative when it comes to shipping. I`ve had orders that originated in one City in southern California and the shipping/tracking never updated until the product was delivered. I believe 24roids ships some orders coming from China and Asia on container ships. Thousands of ships off-load thousands of large containers loaded with all types of products in Long Beach every day. It is impossible for US CUSTOMS to check all of these ships and containers, thus making delivery rates very high and successful. Just a thought. I`ve received all of my packages that have had California as the original shipping location, and so will you! Be patient and good luck brother!
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nickname_238 User profile
If it was shipped domestic then it wouldn’t take weeks to get to you. I would contact 24roids, just google it and you can email or live chat with them. Hope this helps.
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TheDude User profile
I have spoke with them and they keep telling me about international delays. I have tried to explain it is domestic shipped and there is no international shipping involved in this package. I will contact them again
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JB205 User profile Expert
Dude, so my last order never updated the tracking and said it was shipped by DHL, I checked my mail box one day a the package was just sitting in there. I was surprised as F!%$. Buti even went back and checked DHL tracking and it never updated. I saw a post that mentioned a similar situation, and the guy mentioned to check a shipping site called Newgistics. I checked the site with the DHL tracking number and the package was tracked from day one on this site. It`s worth checking out bro
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JB205 User profile Expert
Absolutely, I`ve had 2 different packages, both from Dragon pharma come from California. One got delivered in 2 weeks during the virus and the other was around 21 days after it was shipped. I`ve only seen Dragon pharma come straight from California, so I`m assuming your gear is from them.
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Who else hasn`t received there orders yet? its been over a month got sent a second order and its been 3 weeks since then and still nothing…. Im dying here
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Jogger User profile Expert
My last order took 50 days but finally arrived 24roids pulled through despite Covid issues, good luck
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Hiker001 User profile
My order from Malayasia took approx 3.5 weeks to get to me. It was also reshipped.
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JohnSmith User profile
Orders have been taking anywhere from 2-3 weeks and sometimes 2-3 more. I know the anxiety of being the one it seems to take the longest to get to. I`m sure you`re aware they always show up and hearing to be patient doesn`t help but I got my last one in about 27 days start to finish.
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Cyclone User profile Expert
24roids had extended the delivery window from 30 days out to 70 days (pretty sure). This is based on a variety of factors out of their control. In five years, I have not had a single instance of my order being delivered in the end. Sometimes it took longer or had to get reshipped, but we are taking about grey market goods shipped from Europe – delays are to be expected! Remember to vote folks – THANKS!
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nickname_88 User profile
Just received my GP order TODAY with still 2 days left on the time counter.. So YES, orders are getting thru in what I would say is a decent timely manner thru all this crazy in the world.. 24roids is so PROFESSIONAL!!! Oh and my order was just recent with POTW NPP 150 and GP test cyp… Pics should be up tomorrow.. Again, I will stress to all… as soon as your order arrives, turn around and place another for your next cycle or cruise… keep yourself stocked way ahead so you`re not freaking out about not being able to start your cycle when you want to just cuz of longer ship times..
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Does anyone have any idea on when all the sold out/coming soon products will be back? I`m use to certain brands and know they work first hand from the results.
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Taylor User profile
I would like to believe that everything will start to be restocked once they`re all caught up with the orders which were placed prior to Chinese New Year and soon after. Between being back up, Geniza having a mega sale and BIOMEX Labs doing the same as Geneza they probably had a nice run of sales. Just be patient and give it a couple weeks. I`m sure everything will be back soon.
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Michael User profile
I believe they will all come back after the Chinese New Year. Also thinking this coronavirus could cause more unexpected delays though.
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Matt Beard User profile
Sadly not, various factors could currently contribute to the situation. Ask 24roids is probably your best bet, or go European.
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Randy User profile
I was wondering the same thing. A lot of times when things get sold out on here it takes months to come back. Would love to know as well about what`s going to so I can go hunt for a different supplier if needed until things are back to normal.
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Siggs User profile
Hopefully everything starts coming available in a couple of weeks.
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Mike Jones User profile Expert
Certain products will be coming back sooner than others, you might want to try some new brands. All on 24roids are good
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Thanks again guys. Gonna see how 350mg test weekly and 25mg tren a goes. as suggested maybe up the tren toward the end of the cycle if I am handling it well. I don`t think I would need an AI with 350mg test alone, I can do the .5mg caber twice weekly but for 8 weeks of tren, when should I start? week 3 or 4? from the beginning? how long does it take for prolactin to spike and build with tren A? I have some letrazole on order as an emergency gyno treatment too fwiw. proviron coming too, might experiment with it toward the end of the cycle – always grateful for tips and insight. I have body image issues, I`m 6`4 235 and my arms are long so I think of them as little girly arms. measured last night for the first time 22″. I`m not a competitive type but I like to go to the beach and have a blast instead of hiding. cheers guys!
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Drew User profile
You can start take caber at .5 twice a week in week two of the tren yo avoid side and I would up the tren to get the best results. Also be careful with letro its very powerful and can make your Estrogen go to much down.
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nickname_88 User profile
Don`t think that you just have to take caber just cuz you`re taking tren.. caber can have its own sides as well so have it but hold off because you`re at such a low dose of tren you may not even need it.. I have it but have NEVER used it and I have used up to 400mgs a week of tren ace and 600 mgs a week of tren e before, never experienced any side from tren, at all.. if you`re taking 25mgs a day then ok not bad for first time and being cautious but I would up that shortly in if I were you.. less is more but use it.. you`re obviously not going overboard and this is good.. i would wait 3 weeks at least into your test to start the tren.. at least 3 weeks.. heck wait 4 usually this way your test is built up good before getting the tren in you.. if you up your tren though, up your test.. people always say, run your text lower than your tren… personally I say and have said, F that.. I keep my test the same or higher for the biggest reason of not wanting to crash my libido.. plus overall feeling all around.. tren is more powerful than test but test is your main Male hormone…you don`t want that to be over ran.. like I say, I have always kept mine higher and my test tren cycles have always been phenomenal.. I love tren and what it can do, just be smart with it.
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BigOlRed User profile
You need to get cabergoline take .5mg twice a week
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Pookie User profile
Everyone is different and you might need an AI with 350 mgs of test. Also it`s very possible you will NOT need caber. That`s a pretty low dose at 175 mgs a week and the prolactin sides are lesser with tren vs deca due to its higher androgenic properties. Keep both on hard and start taking it when sides show
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S-C-J User profile
Agreed, you don HAVE to take caber, but should keep on hand for that dosage. Also, prolactin issues are ALWAYS preceded by elevated estrogen. If you keep E2 in check, you won`t run into tren dick etc. Start it in week 4.
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BABA User profile
From my experience, caber is necessary (along with an AI/SERM) while on tren. Deca/NPP might be 19 nors but based on bloodwork I never needed caber for the doses I used. Tren on the other hand makes my prolactin go over the range with a couple of weeks.
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OK, thanks for the feedback! Based on this, I`m going to try 10 weeks 350mg weekly test cyp and 8 weeks 50mg tren A eod. I`ll run a week of test first (already there as of now, trt+ 150mg) 8 weeks of tren and a final week of test. I`ll leave out the deca and save the winstrol oral decision till the last month. at this level I am not going to take an AI off the bat but will keep handy. should I start an AI maybe halfway through? maybe I`ll jack the test to 500 halfway through and justify using the arimidex. I honestly expect to get some killer results based on where I am at now in my training. this should put me from big jacked dude territory into holy shitville.
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patsalos mixalis User profile
Good luck mate hope your biceps rips your t shirt apart, lol good luck
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JMann User profile
Yeah don’t take the AI just to take it. If you decide to raise your test then ok but you should see great results on the tren, so 350mg test might be where you need to be. Good luck sounds like you train hard, enjoy it man.
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nickname_21 User profile Expert
I wouldn`t jack up the test where you have it is going to be fine. Bow the tren can be higher at 50mg every day a few weeks in if you can tolerate it. Remember tren is 5x stronger then test so it`s kinda pointless to up the test when it`s just gonna add water and estrogen becuase your body can only use so much, but tren being 5 times stronger then test I would up the tren if your going to up anything at all. Otherwise just wait until next cycle to increase dosages
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mic User profile
Sounds like a mad cycle bro train hard eat a lot and sleep no sex no alcohol grow bro
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Will User profile Expert
You had it right the first time. Have an AI on hand for if you need it. You don`t up the dose just to justify wanting to use an AI. That`s not how progressing properly with AAS works. Get the most results you can out of the 350mg test and then increase in the future cycle. Always have an AI on hand and start taking if estrogenic side effects begin to show.
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Taylor User profile
I would look into Aromasin 12.5mg every 3 days and Cabergoline .5mg every 3 days if you`re running the tren.
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OK, so I bought a few vials of this Tren A when it was product of the week last. I`ve done a few cycles of test in the past, a months worth of winstrol and small amounts of deca. I never tried tren yet. It seems like it takes 2-3 weeks to kick in to full gear, is this correct? I was considering a short cycle of maybe 4-6 weeks test cyp at 250mg twice weekly (I use arimidex usually 1/2 pill twice weekly at this level but at 300mg I don`t think I need the AI). 125mg deca twice weekly, and 25-50mg tren a daily. Should I start at 25? or go 50mg? I`d try a sample cycle at 300mg test weekly and 25mg tren daily if I thought that was worth doing, I bet it would be effective. I have a small amount of caber handy as well, not sure what my protocol should be between anastrazole and caber. I have never experienced any significant sides and I kind of like it like that. I`d love to hear some recommendations for my first tren cycle. I also have oral winstrol 50mg handy, use it to kickstart? or leave it alone for now?
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Taylor User profile
When I run Tren in my cycles I use Aromasin 12.5mg EOD and Cabergoline.5mg EOD. Just be careful running it and start off low, then work your way higher. It doesn`t hurt to do that regardless but with one of the more stronger steroids keeping an eye on your sides as well as starting off low is a must.
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BigOlRed User profile
Sounds like you`ve done your research sounds good just make sure you start off at a light dose it`s best to try tren acetate first short-acting is best to use when you`re not sure how your system is going to react.
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Big Dogg User profile
So any problems with that cycle. First dont run deca and tren together. Tren A is a fast acting short ester you dont need to “kickstart” anything. 4-6 weeks is too short. You should go 8 weeks. 300 test /week is fine with 25mg/day Tren. You could pin EOD. If you increase the tren also in grease the test. Probably wont need an AI or caber, etc. Add them in of you get sides. Keep tren at 50 – 75mg EOD for first cycle.
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nickname_832 User profile
I just recently did my first Tren cycle and I started off at. 100 mg every other day And that was a bit too much. I had to back off my night sweats were crazy and my blood pressure was through the roof. I would say 25mg a day would be a good starting point and to keep blood levels steady. About halfway through my 10 week cycle I started the caber .5 twice a week.
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mchilds User profile
You are lucky if you`ve never gotten bad sides but I do. I take 1mg arimidex every 3 days and if that doesn`t work I switch right away to exemestane which always works for me. Then after the test is in my system and I have the sides under control I start the tren from 40-50mg a day. I always immediately start caber at 0.5 every other day then after a few weeks I back it down to every few days. Acne is my first sign that my prolactin or estrogen is getting high. I feel the effects of tren quicker than 3 weeks personally.
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nickname_21 User profile Expert
6 weeks is plenty for tren a. I would run test 10 weeks then after week for do tren a 50mg per day. Dont run deca with tren they are both a 19nor. And will be very taxing on the body if your cutting, calorie deficit even a slight deficit will help burn fat and being out the muscle separation if your gonna add winstrol add it last 4 weeks not as a kick start this is just all my opinion in theory as the cycle moves along your adding new compounds supposed to help with growth. Once body gets used to 1 compound
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I am getting moderate back acne from tren, I have been taking test e and sus for the past 10 months and I have done a cycle of winstrol and a
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Barry Gibson User profile
Your question was incomplete but in case ive heard accutane is great for acne.
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Lord User profile
Make sure both ancillaries caber for tren and either arimidex or aromasin for the test. High prolactin and estrogen can cause acne. Also when I use tren ace i pin every day bc the half life is less than a day. I don`t get stable blood levels pinning eod.
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mixalhs patsalos User profile
try accutane and antibacterial wash my friend. take care
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JD Cycle User profile Expert
If I`m reading right, tren and test for 10 months straight?! If so, start there and either pct or TRT cruise. If I`m not reading 10 straight, try accutane and a sulfur bar for soap. Cheap on amazon…helped me a lot.
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Taylor User profile
If you`re taking tren prop make sure you`re keeping your levels balanced by doing injections every day. Other than that make sure you`re washing with a washcloth a few times daily.
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Gearpeace User profile Expert
Do you have Adex for estrogen control and caber for prolactin? If I don`t have those I break out bad. Try apricot scrub daily.
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If I`m taking 210mg per week for first time tren use will I be fine with .25mg caber 2x per week?
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Dromeo User profile
I`m assuming you`re running test with this also. If you`re not, you should. Short answer to your question- yes you should be ok with .25mg of the caber. You might need to increase it to .5mg per week.
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JD Cycle User profile Expert
Depending on how you react to it, you may be fine. Some require more and many require none at all. It`s similar to AI, it`s different for everyone. I would try to make sure you have enough to bump to .5 mg x 2 a week as if you need to increase, it`s too late to order. There is also the chance that you need none as well. But I recommend being cautious and having more than you may need.
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Big Dogg User profile
You`ll have to see how tren works in your body. At that dose you may not need any. I dont use caber (I use bromocriptine) but I dont think there is a down side to taking it if you dont need it within reason. Just take the .25 and if you have gyno type sides take a little more although i doubt you`ll need more.
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Will User profile Expert
You might not have any prolactin issues as that dose or at all. Everyone responds different. Have Caber on hand if you need to use it but start your cycle without it.
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Tiredcam User profile
That`s the dose I`m currently taking and it`s worked good so far. On week 6 and have not had any sides. I also am taking it as a preventative measure opposed to waiting for sides first. Good luck bro
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EDubz User profile
Everyone is different. You may or may not need more or less or none. You have to see how your body reacts to tren
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Hi thinking about using tren for first time, would 210 mg per week be a good starting dose for 8 weeks was thinking of pinning 30mg ED
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B Rad User profile Expert
That sounds like a reasonable starting point for a first time user and 6-8 weeks is a good duration to run it, good luck.
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Will User profile Expert
For a first run, I`d recommend even lowering it to 150mg for the first run. It will make your results off your first and future cycles as you build up that much better. Start with the least effective dose and raise over time. Allows for more progress to be made.
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Lord User profile
That sounds good. You can always increase the dose if you don`t see any results after 2-3 weeks.
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LilBear User profile
As stated above I also think that is a good starting dose and length to run Tren A. Could you provide a little more info like your goal, competing, how many cycles, body info, etc?
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Matthew User profile
Why not just pin 50mg per pin EOD. It`s your first Tren cycle. Add 100mg of testP with the pin if you haven`t yet. Caber in hand. Keep very close eye on gyno. Good luck.
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Nickname_441 User profile
Math is your friend. That`s a low dose so start there and work your way up a bit.
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If I am not getting tren cough during my injections is that normal or could it be a weak product? Also, I have been getting migraines for about 2 minutes when I am about to finish and after I finish during sex, could the tren be causing this? I have never had this happen until a week in from starting tren.
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Manster User profile
Not everyone gets tren cough. As far as the migraines go that`s a first for me. I`ve never heard of that happening. Best advice i could give would be to get some Caber and see if it`s cause of high prolactin.
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JB205 User profile Expert
Is tren the only thing your running or are you taking any other gears during your cycle? There could be a number of reasons causing migraines. I would start by getting your blood pressure checked, I know when I run tren that it raises my blood pressure. I know because I`ll get shit from the nurse anytime I see my doc for any reason. I would also get blood work done to see if anything stands out that may help determine why you are having this issue. As far as tren cough, I personally have never had tren cough, a guy I work with has a few times and said it sucked bad, like he couldn`t breathe or catch his breath. He thought the first time he was dying and called me after lol. I do get that chemical taste the first few times I inject when starting tren, but only the first few. I`m not an expert and use tren in small doses, but I`ve read or was told that tren cough happens mainly( not only) when you inject and some tren enters the bloodstream. But I always pull back on the plunger to check for any blood pulled into the syringe
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Drew User profile
Not everyone gets tren cough from injecting tren and for the head aches it could be from high blood pressure from the tren I would start taking you blood pressure and make sure it`s not super high.
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N88 User profile
Tren cough varies from person to person and some never get it…just consider yourself lucky. Not sure about the headaches but you should def check your vitals to see what is going on with your bp. Other than that not really sure what could be causing it.
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patsalos mixalis User profile
Not everyone gets the cough as for the migraine are you trying too hard to perform, not sure man
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Unc33135 User profile
I never get tren cough. Not everyone does. Thats doesnt mean the product is weak. The migraines sound like it could be from the tren since you said it started happening right after you started using it. Tren comes with a lot of sides. Different for everyone. A lot of the sides you just have to tolerate for the duration of your cycle. If the sides become unbearable stop using it and now you know in the future the compound is not for you.
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What is a caber and where can I find it on here? I need it for a test/ Tren cycle, what if I already have aromosin to control estrogen levels?
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Canadian User profile
Caber is used to prevent the worse kinda gyno that is caused by tren. It inhibits the production of prolactin. You can find it on here by lookin up caberlin, dostinex, cabaser. They`re all equal bud.
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Fit_mom User profile
Go to the drop down menu and select the support and ancillary tab. Cabergoline is the name of the drug. There are many options from .25mg a pill to 2mg. The half life is long so normally every 3 or 4 days for a dose. You can start with .25mg and see how your sides are. If your prolactin is high you will get tren dick so soft erection and nipple/gyno issues. Tren is a prolactin producing compound. You dont need an ai with tren unless your running a high test dose or other “wet” compound that requires an ai. Good luck
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J.P. User profile Expert
Caber, or Cabergoline, will keep prolactin in check when using Trenobolone or similar drugs. Just type “Cabergoline” into the search bar. At first glance it`ll seem expensive. Considering how little you`ll likely need, and the benefit of taking versus not taking it, it could cost double what it does and everyone would still buy it. Well, everyone who knows how important it is. Look up Caber online in both medical and bodybuilding based sites, it has some other benefits as well as a few precautions you`ll want to educate yourself about. This will also keep you from falling for the bro science self proclaimed doctor types who parrot doses they heard in the gym and online. To start, search something like, “Cabergoline clinical treatment for males.” Aromasin is a good drug. One of if not the best AI available to the mainstream. You`ll still need to use it here. Some find that they need less when used in conjunction with Trenobolone so you`ll want to safely experiment to find the minimally effective dose appropriate for yourself. Just as an example, last month one of my guys started the Trenobolone phase of his protocol. Prior to the Tren reaching saturation he needed 12.5mg of Aromasin daily. After Tren kicked in and normalized we cut the Aromasin back to 12.5mg every 3rd day. I also have a client who cannot take any AI with Tren, and another who aromatizes the same in Tren. Have you worked out the dosing ratio of Testosterone to Trenobolone? This is something else that is very individualized as well, but can be the difference between enjoying and hating Trenobolone
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Greenleanmass User profile
Search cabergoline onthe search bar. You`ll find all sorts of different companies selling caber. God bless stay safe.
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June User profile
Search for cabergoline and this is used to control prolactin.
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Adam22 User profile
Cabaser brand works good. I always use wen im running deca or tren witch i dont use tren much. Should only need half a pill or 0.5 mg twice a week usually on injection days. If you need to adjust dosages according
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I have medium experience with running cycles. I have ran 3 cycles so far, I have used test E, Test sus, winstrol, dbol and clen. I am wondering what kind of side effects I can expect from this if I have never had many side effects with other products. I know everyone is different but I have heard great things about Tren when it is used correctly. I had some back acne from test and dbol did not give me side effects until week 6 when I started getting angry at 50mg per day, I stopped a week later. I have balding in the family in one grandparent, but nothing other than that. I do not get gyno. I was planning on running test sus at 400mg per week and Tren at 50 mg every other day. Is this a good cycle to run? Any recommendations?
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Fit_mom User profile
Tren is awesome. My husband has ran it at 50mg eod as well. The only side he saw was night sweats. He took .5mg a week of caber. I hear of so many people say how bad the sides were from tren. He is 45 and shaves his head. So he doesn`t concern himself with hair lose. He has never had acne problems in his life and doesn`t on tren. He also took 100mg a week of test e. He lets the tren be the main steroid since it is 5x stronger than test. He says the strength and size comes very fast when he is on tren. He runs the GP tren. You just have to try it and see how you like it. Good luck.
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LongIslandBEAST User profile
For me I get aggression which can manifest itself in arguing with the wife when you normally would and add road rage. I get bad night sweats and insomnia to the point where I start to feel low energy. My nips get sensitive as well but caber is good for that. Not only do you get night sweats but prepare to be hot all day long. I’m sure there are more side effects but those are the ones that are the worst for me. Oh and you will smell bad. Not only will you sweat more but you will stink. Idk if it’s the carrier oil or what but phew nasty.
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Canadian User profile
Tren is a pretty crazy compound. You wont get a very good sleep bud, so if you`re a bloke who likes his rest then don`t touch it. It`s also pretty harsh on the liver and kidneys so keep that in mind. Take some caber as well.
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mchilds User profile
I would run 50 eod but maybe run 50 ed if you tolerate it. Expect insomnia/waking up multiple times a night and eventually when you get off it expect very low libido and difficulty with erections which can last a few weeks up to a few months even despite “cycle support/pct”. I would see what you can get out of test and other compounds for a few more cycles before going to tren. You get decent results on tren but it`s not life changing. Wini, masteron, and anavar give awesome results.
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Greenleanmass User profile
Seems not to bad. Have to be very careful with tren. God bless stay safe.
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Thomas Bauman User profile
Many suggest high Tren low test to avoid side effects.
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Trying to cut would running 300 tren/week 300 test cyp with 80mg/day anavar work well?
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Dr Scott User profile Expert
That is a nice clean, easy cycle. I will absolutely work, eat clean step up the cardio lots. Me personally, I would run that for 6 months with some sort of PCT at the tail. I`m not a competitive bodybuilder but I play lots of sports, some at a fairly high level. I hate the smooth, bloated look that says I am definitely using PED`s. But this is the type of cycle that i run and have actually run this exact regime before with a little higher test or a blend like sust, to great success. Obviously, if you are looking for dramatic strength and size gains this is not the one. It sounds like this is exactly tailored to the goals that you want to achieve. good luck man.
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Canadian User profile
Yeah it could work. I`d start at a lower dose of var because I don`t like it. This is a very advanced stack. If you are new to roids (1st ot 2nd cycle) you`d end up in a gutter using these compounds bud. When I cut I just run a small dose of test prop and winny.
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5%er User profile
If you are trying to cut, diet needs to come before thinking about steroids. Steroids can help, but you cannot our train a bad diet. Anavar seems a little high in my opinion. Maybe start it around 40-50 mg/day and up it slowly. 80 mg is unnecessary especially at the beginning.
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Bobo User profile
I definitely think it will work well . If u new to gear u mite want to reconsider tren. It`s a great compound but very liver toxic
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Adam22 User profile
Should work pretty well although i try to stay away from tren. Its one of the harshest compounds and you can achieve the same results with so many other safer less harmful compounds out there to chose from. Its up to you tho man but tren is a last resort for me atleast.
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JayP User profile
Like other users mentioned, try implementing a very strict diet and implementing HIIT cardio. AAS isn`t the cure all for cutting.
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I have a problem with the non rust colored liquid in the vial photo. Any one have experience with the Dragon tren enanthate or acetate? And color of the liquid? Thanks!
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Johnny Longsockz User profile
The 4 Bottles I got have a butterscotch color to them they are not piss yellow but it`s definitely a water mustard looking color
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Drew User profile
The light color is normal. The only reason tren gets to be a dark rush color some time is it was brew Slightly longer.
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Will User profile Expert
I have vials of both from Dragon and they are clear with a slight cloudy yellow. I know the iron in this is fine because I`ve tried other underground labs that were darker yellow and I legit felt like I could taste the iron shortly after injecting. To my knowledg, tren and other compounds are supposed to be clear/clearer.
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mchilds User profile
I have seen this question numerous times over the years on 24roids. Basically it just depends on what they mix the teen base with that determines the color. And no one has ever said that the color has ever made a difference in the potency.
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Fit_mom User profile
We have had color variations with tren as well. If the expiration date is good run it. You will notice if it`s not what your use to. Good luck
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nickname_665 User profile Expert
If it`s not cloudy you are fine. The color is the carrier oil i don`t what carrier oil they use but if you are not sure boil it on a low heat on the oven in a saucer pan in a quarter of an inch of water for 20 minutes
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How would this cycle look:Week 1-12 Test E: 500mg weekly Week 8-12 tren A: 50mg EOD clen 2 on 2 off -> adjust accordingly
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GainsVille_85 User profile
Add in an aromatase inhibitor, some caber, and a PCT plan and you’re good to go.
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Johnny Longsockz User profile
Grab some caber for tren sides and you should be good to go sounds pretty decent to me
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Poppamon User profile
Looks good. Im sure you know about ai and all that.i might even run the tren a little longer. Its so good you are gonna love the effect.
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Gaingang User profile
Sounds like a pretty good cycle to me. Definitely grab some caber and youll be allset. Might not need it but its best to always make sure u got some around. Happy cycling. Swole is the goal
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5%er User profile
Why start the tren in week 8? I would just run it for the duration of the cycle.
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Gman User profile Expert
Well if you plan on cutting shoukd be a great cycle although if cutting you really dont need that much test due to water retention if you use less test you should get a sharper look just my opinion
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What would be a good closer for the last 6 weeks(14 total) of a bulking cycle?
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Greenleanmass User profile
At 300mg a week pinning eod 1 bottle lasts 3 weeks and I extra pin. Depends on your dosages then see how many bottles you need, God bless stay safe.
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Will User profile Expert
The honest and best answer is nothing. The reason is because you`ve already been packing on weight and you`re likely not as carb and nutrient sensitive. Hold off any additional compounds and use at the start of your next cut or bulk. Remember, always progress the most on the least so you can add a compound or slightly bump up a dose on your next cycle for more results. That`s my opinion on mid-cycle change up`s.
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anonymous255 User profile
20mg superdrol per day or 40mg of tbol per day.
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omeed haji User profile
3 vial is good for 6 week 400 mg a week you will get good results with that and make sure put some test
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JayP User profile
Are your goals for the end of your bulk to start to lean out and cut? There are many variables to consider here. If you’re trying to bulk, then nothing. But if you’re looking to cut, you can introduce many different compounds and even peptides.
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Swoll,onthe,low User profile
Hcg and nolva
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What would be a good closer for the last 6 weeks(14 total) of a bulking cycle?
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Greenleanmass User profile
At 300mg a week pinning eod 1 bottle lasts 3 weeks and I extra pin. Depends on your dosages then see how many bottles you need, God bless stay safe.
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Will User profile Expert
The honest and best answer is nothing. The reason is because you`ve already been packing on weight and you`re likely not as carb and nutrient sensitive. Hold off any additional compounds and use at the start of your next cut or bulk. Remember, always progress the most on the least so you can add a compound or slightly bump up a dose on your next cycle for more results. That`s my opinion on mid-cycle change up`s.
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anonymous255 User profile
20mg superdrol per day or 40mg of tbol per day.
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omeed haji User profile
3 vial is good for 6 week 400 mg a week you will get good results with that and make sure put some test
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JayP User profile
Are your goals for the end of your bulk to start to lean out and cut? There are many variables to consider here. If you’re trying to bulk, then nothing. But if you’re looking to cut, you can introduce many different compounds and even peptides.
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Swoll,onthe,low User profile
Hcg and nolva
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What`s the recommended dose per stick?
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Big E User profile
If this is your first time using tren I would recommend that you start by pinning only .5cc or 50mg EOD to see how you handle the sides. The usual go to dosage for Tren Ace is 50-75mg Ed or 100-150mg EOD but ease into it gradually.
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Swoleville User profile
I agree with big e. Tren is not for beginners. Try .5 eod and if you respond well bump it up to 1 ml eod.
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anon5_uk User profile Expert
You mean per injection? 50-100 mg per injection. If you are beginner, stay away from tren, go with testosterone only cycle.
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Massgains User profile
I would start 50 mg eod then work your way up to 100mgs eod
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Maison Jardin User profile
I do 50 mg every day. To keep my blood levels stable
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Anonymousone User profile
If your saying per injection It all depends on how often you’re injecting if you’re injecting every day you would inject less than if you were injecting every other day. Every day 25- 50mgs every other day 50-100mgs. Every three days (not recommended) 150-200mgs
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Can you run tren every 3 days
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evan johnson User profile Expert
For best results one should run trenbolone ACETATE either eod or ed given its short half-life. If you wish to inject every 3 days you should consider trenbolone enanthate instead since it has a longer half-life.
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mike vanacore User profile
yes you can but ideal blood levels will be much more stable eod meaning every other day. and you will have less sides oed then 3 times a week. try the 3 a week and see hpw your body reacts to it. if you feel off then do eod
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J.P. User profile Expert
You could run every three days if you want to try it. However, the best way I`ve seen Trenobolone Acetate ran is injecting every day. Every other day at the least. But injecting a smaller dose every day will provide the most stable experience. Injecting the same weekly dose every third day will be too much up and down in my opinion.