For bulking would which is best sustanon 270 or sustanon 350?
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B29 User profile
I`ve used 350 and gained a good 20-25 pounds but I also know someone who uses sustanon 270 and is gaining a lot of weight too?
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RyanVogel User profile
I`d go with Sustanon 350 since you can inject more in 1ml
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Cyclone User profile Expert
Completely interchangeable, The content of testosterone in the mixture has absolutely no bearing on your ability to bulk assuming you take the same dosage. I buy testosterone based on price.
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Joeskee User profile
Both are fine but I would go with the 350
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Mightyone User profile
I would go with the 270. The higher concentration of compound per ml usually causes me more pip. You can run either one at about 500mg per week and get great gains so I would pick the one that causes less pip. Good luck bro
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ArthurConstance User profile
Neither. The best for sweet spot dosing would be sustanon at 250mg/ml. This is also the most often used concentration is real pharma products. So I would go with normal Sustanon, Aaster`s TestMix or any good susta at 250mg dosage for that matter.Aso, 250mg has practically no pip when compared to 350mg. As much as I can understand 400-500mg concentrations with test enana or even cyp, I have no idea what sense it makes to do 350mg sustanon.
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Zilla User profile
Esther & concentration of the test you choose will not effect your ability to bulk. Dosage will impact your wieght slightly but your diet will be the biggest determining factor. Eat eat eat! I typically run my test higher when bulking 600-750 mgs/wk & eat every 2 hrs. Hope this helps good luck
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nickname_949 User profile
People get confused with the sustanon 350 and sustanon 270. The 350 has longer esters in it that take longer to kick in, but ultimately once you`re on it for a week or two you could not tell the difference between 350 or 270. The 350 to me is just a higher test blend that takes longer to kick in. They also add an extra 20mg of acetate to the 270 (where it is usually 250) to kick in faster. I personally like the Sus but I felt like it had a bit of a pip to it when I did it in my glutes.
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Jaris User profile
350 is just stronger, so depends on your dosing. More of compound = moregains but also more risk
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nickname_311 User profile Expert
You don`t go by what the label say on them you go by how much you inject 270 and 350 you could be injecting the same amount of stuff in your system you would have to inject more oil with a 270 to catch up to the 350 the difference comes in between the pit of the 270 and 350 sometimes it is more painful to inject 350 and it makes some people sick whereas 270 goes in slowly and it doesn`t make people as sick.
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I have a problem with my test converting to estrogen with cypionate. I was told with Sustanon it wouldn`t do that. Is that true?
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Patriot_1234 User profile Expert
All Test will convert to estrogen. It`s impact is largely dependent on dosage. If you`re body is sensitive to estrogen levels, start using anastrolzole to keep levels lower. Good luck.
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RyanVogel User profile
You can either lower your dose or you can add anastrozole but make sure to take a little as possible because it has side effects itself
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Roid_Head User profile Expert
Test is test, if your body is sensitive you have to take AI. if it`s too much for your body some of it will convert to estrogen, doesn`t matter if it`s susta or test c.
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Pump3 User profile
All test converts to estrogen it does not matter the ester. Best you can do is up the injection frequency from twice a week to every other day and use an AI.
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crazy Dan User profile Expert
i think you are mistaken from the concentration of test currently active in your body versus the esters if the tests. In other words, sustanon has 4 types (usually) of test. Not all of them get cleaved and become active at once with respect to the amount (mg) you pin. Unlike testCyp, day you pin 250mg, half of it get active in 12 days then another half in another 12 days, 125mg then 62.5mg respectively. Now sustanon, if you pin 250mg, half of 30mg become active fir testP in 3 days, another 2-3days half of 60mg of testPhenyP, 9 days from injection half of 60mg of isocaproate get active. Then 15 days from pin half of 100mg of testDecanoate become active. So in other words, not all tests in sustanon become active at one time so less testosterone to be converted to estrogen. And therefore you don`t experience (less prospensity) elevated estrogen. I hope that makes sense. Good luck buddy! Don`t forget to vote.
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Simonak User profile
Yes test will convert to estrogen Regardless of the Ester. Crazy Dan pretty much hit the nail on the head. I myself was having some side effect issues with testo 350 , because of it having testosterone propionate, That needs to be injected more frequently to keep the blood levels Consistent. So since I was injecting only 350 mg per week I just split that into 2 injections, or could even be split up into 3. Also I would definitely have some estrogen blockers on hand Every time before I start any cycle especially what test. Good luck my friend
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Has anyone else experienced swelling, bruising or hardening of the muscle where it was pinned? The pain has lessened through the weeks but the hardening and swelling always starts on day 2 and lasts for at least 4 days before it heals. Just want to know if this is the norm and I`m not doing something wrong. Thanks for your responses.
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JD Cycle User profile Expert
I`ve had this a few time with blends. Kind of like a knot in the muscle. Usually when I do it, its from bad pin technique. Give that sit a rest from pinning and let heal for about a week.
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skitt User profile
I have had this a few times myself.. I agree with JD about the technique but I also realised that when pinning my glutes although I was in the right area, I dont think I was at the right angle and kept doing that to myself, seemed to me that I was pinning a little high so once it healed I started going a little further back and down just a bit from my usual pinning area and for the most part I have not been having that issue for a long time.. Double check and make sure your angle is correct and if need be just move your pinning down a quarter of an inch and a bit more behind ya and give that a try, Plus take your time injecting.. Deffenently doesnt feel to good we know.. good luck bro
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Jaris User profile
Its normal, nothing to worry about. It seems that you are just getting into steroids, so .. Good luck
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nickname_238 User profile
If you are using a compound that has a high concentration like test 400 or a some of the blends they can cause pretty bad pip that could last for a while. If it gets really red or hot to the touch and you feel like you’re getting a fever, you should definitely go get it looked at. Also if you are putting to much gear in a in smaller muscle groups, try to split up your shots instead of putting it all in One area. I’m sure you are using sterile injection techniques. So that’s good the pain is going away, just keep an eye on it. Take care.
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Joeskee User profile
Yes especially when u haven`t done a cycle in a while it usally causes pip and it`s normal. And sometimes ur body has to get used to the oils again.
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MichaelSmith User profile
If it`s your shoulder it could be you`re putting too much in it. It can`t handle at much as glutes or some of the other areas for bigger loads.
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nickname_658 User profile
What size pin is the best, I thought that might be the issue… What`s the perfect gauge and length that I need to deliver it deeper?Angle is hard, I have no one to assist me so they`re all self inflicted. I was thinking of splitting the dosage to half in one area (same glute) and then the other half another inch away. I read that they are painful but as JD Cycle mentioned they`re like knots and bruises occur and of course my ass hurts! I will try to go slower next time, I will take Skitt`s advicePlease help me with the pin dimensions. Thanks guys!
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Is Dragon pharma any good? If so what`s the best way to cycle this test, 1 ML twice a week? Thank you in advance.
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crazy Dan User profile Expert
Dragon is legit!! Most my gear are from dragon. All my ancillaries are from dragon! Sounds like this is your first cycle. If so you don`t need much to get good gain. This is sustanon with 5 esters. This has the acetate ester with half life of 2 days. And NOT that you need to calculate (chase) this ester or the propionate ester but guys like to pin this sustanon eod to get blood level even through out the week. But sustanon is mean to be pin less frequent ( once a week or every 10 days) AND still get blood level even through out the week. I recommend you pin twice a week at 0.75ml per pin. Pin on monday morning and thursday night. This will equate to a little 405mg of test per week. This is plenty for beginners. If you have a few cycles under your belt then pinning 1.0ml twice a week is very good! that`s 540mg of test per week. Good luck buddy! Don`t forget to vote.
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CraigLyon User profile
Hey There-Dragon Pharma is good to go and they have great products. I would urge you to research on the internet about beginning steroid cycles. You wont need more than 200-400mgs of test for 8-12 weeks+PCT and you will see great gains. Spend that extra money on food. Look over the forums here and you will see some of the BROS here drop knowledge about how to move forward.
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EQhead User profile Expert
If you`re new to gear, run 0.8ml twice weekly. This will give you a dose of 432mg (216mg x 2) a week which is plenty to get amazing results. I prefer to run test around 400mg a week unless I`m using Deca or Tren in the cycle, then I keep my Test higher than the Tren or Deca dose. Oh and yes DP is a great lab, one of my favorites on 24roids. I`m waiting on a shipment of this exact product now. Cheers!
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Jogger User profile Expert
I use dragon all the time, they are great, if it’s your first cycle I would do what dan said to be around 400 test weekly that’s enough for cycle one, also have an ai like arimidex on hand in case you get estrogen sides,like puffiness or gyno brother, good luck
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JD Cycle User profile Expert
Dragon is my go to! Currently using their Test 350, Deca, proviron and tbol! Quality lab
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nickname_949 User profile
Dragon is good to go. Dragon and Geneza have the longest track record on 24roids for the best quality. I tried the Geneza version of this blend and absolutely loved it. I was eyeing this one up too since they just released it and you could get the buy 5 deal with Dragon as opposed to Geneza. You`re good to go man. I was doing this twice a week after having a few years off and absolutely loved it.
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Jaris User profile
I love its products and quality for its price. Just cant beat it when some products go on sale. Heard a lot of good things before using it, and now, when im using it myself, can agree
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Anybody`s review on this compared to GP`s 270? GP I liked a lot but during COVID Dragon has been coming in super speedy for me. So contemplating this since no reviews/lab test
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Nickname577 User profile
Haven`t tried, have tried several other dragon products, as well as gp. They are both equally very good products from my experience. So I wouldn`t let the no review thing throw you, dragon makes very good gear.
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How should this be stored? Room temperature ok? I think it flows better this way as it is pretty viscous.
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crazy Dan User profile Expert
You should store all your gear in a dry cool dark place. Room temperature is fine. Viscosity is depends on what carrier oil each lab preferred to use. If you find yourself with a viscous batch, just place the vial in a very warm water bath got a few minutes. Do not submerge the vial. This will “thin” the flow of the oil. Hope that answers your question! Don`t forget to vote.
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Jogger User profile Expert
Yes brother just keep it an cool dry place like a cupboard, good luck
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JohnSmith User profile
You can store this in a room temperature dry dark place. A drawer or medicine cabinet works well for most. Most oils are grape seed or cottonseed oil and the raws are powders derived from potatoe starch. As long as the compound stays between 200-300 the viscosity should be close to the same, but the molecular weight and friction of the crystals that cause pip increase with the higher doses and more raws forced to mix with the carrier oil.
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JD Cycle User profile Expert
Room temp, out of sunlight. If you put in fridge it will likely start to crystalize.
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Swoleville User profile Expert
Just keep it in a cool dry place. Only thing you should refrigerate is hcg after its been reconstituted
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Joeskee User profile
All gear should be keep in a cool dry place except hgh.
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Hey guys! Which will help me gain weight test blend 350 or Sustanon 270 and at what mg??
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gear hair no User profile
either one.. run at 2 mls a week 3 days apart for 16 weeks
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Kbird User profile
Test is test! Just with different esters and half life`s. 500mg for 10weeks is standard, and after that you can introduce another compound like deca at 400mg.
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Pookie User profile
They are both the same ratios except sus 270 has a little test ace. The blend list for 350 in the description is incorrect. Check out dp`s website for the actual ingredients. 400 a week is a good starter dose
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john g User profile
we don`t know your experience, diet, training or anything at all. But I`d say start at 500mg for 10 weeks. It doesn`t matter which you use
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Barry Gibson User profile
Both, but the higher dosed one is a bit better. You gotta eat more quality food, more protein, and lift heavy, rest, and grow. Don`t forget plenty of extra water.
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Big Dogg User profile
They`re essentially the same thing. Testosterone with mixed esters. Good diet and trading will help you gain weight. Either of those products will help equally.
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Hey I`m a 20 year old male I take test blend 350 every 3 days at 210 mg. I have an above average body not obese or anything but I workout the full body every other day legs, back, chest, arms, I really focus on how much I lift for my muscle groups tho since I decided to workout the full body every other day. when I workout my legs and ass I increase the weight and the same for my chest and back but for my arms I do average amount of weight and a lot more reps. and the days I workout I take 30 mg of adderal. I eat three times a day Sunday threw Wednesday I eat a lot of red meat and for the rest of the week I do a lot of chicken and rice recipes. The days I take my adderal I drink two protein shakes the brand I use is FDA approved so I feel like it`s better than the stuff at gnc I get a lot of sleep and I eat just fine more than usually. taking my medication alone and no steroids weigh 160 but with test blend I`ve gotten myself up to 175 and rising. What side effects would there be if I take my adderal 30 mg with preworkout and give me your opinion on my workout to cause I feel like if I`m on steroids than I shouldn`t do one muscle group at a time during the week cause my body will or should heal faster idk I don`t think I sound stupid but that`s my logic of working out on steroids let me know what you think!?
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ThePony User profile
There`s a lot of useless information in there to ask if you can take adderall with preworkout. Yes, it`s a stimulant and with additional stimulants so you put yourself at risk for increased blood pressure. You should be careful due to the stress on your heart, but yes. I would time it that they aren`t together, and leave it to you to determine if your heart rate is too heart and body is too high.
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Chris Maloney User profile
I see why you are on adderall. You just took us on an ADHD story line, with hundreds of useless words to ask a question of a dozen words. You should be careful with taking that amount with a significant Amount of caffeine, found in pre workouts. If so monitor your bp, and be aure to warm up and cool down effectively to prevent a stroke
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Mike86 User profile
wow, I couldn`t agree more with the boys above. I`d lower your dose on those days you workout, and avoid taking them close together. It also makes it hard to eat so I`d say lower it on days you train and are consuming a lot of food.
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John User profile
I`m of the school of thought you don`t take gear or test until your endocrine system stops developing at 25 and have pushed the limits of your training. It doesn`t sound like you`ve even spent much time in the gym never mind pushed yourself to your limits. I`d just not take your adderall on training days
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Kbird User profile
I take the same dose of addy a day but am aware the harm it can cause on my heart when on cycle and my bo is increased and I lower my dose to 10-15mg a day. I`d say be careful and be aware of the harm stimulants take.
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Barry Gibson User profile
Watch out for the stress on the heart man. Use Adderall only if not utilizing other stimulants you know?
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I have not figured out how to ask a general question, so I put it here. When you`re on a cutting cycle, let`s say something like 400mg test, 400mg EQ and 300mg Deca, do you find you can be more aggressive with the calorie deficit amount and still not lose your gains? When I`m not on gear I can lose about one half to one full pound a week cutting roughly 500 calories per week. If I try to do more than that I seem to lose my strength too. Do you find that you can cut your calories by 1000 per day and still keep your gains if you`re using gear? I keep my protein at 1.2 to 1.5 grams per pound of body weight. Thanks.
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Papi1224 User profile
I have not been able to cut that much calories and not effect my gains, gear is not a magic formula, it`s a combination of gear and eating right and training that does it, you need to find that balance bit all clean eating is key! Good luck
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JD Cycle User profile Expert
First, not sire I would go Test, Deca, Eq for cut. That`s a great bulk cycle, but you can influence with diet. Just deca is great for size and so is EQ in the long term. But cutting too many calories too quick can sap you CNS as well. If you want to run a significant calorie deficit, I`d look into primo which tends to save musculature during cutting and may even lean bulk if ran high enough.
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Gearpeace User profile Expert
Go to Q&A section and tap the hide/show question form. Should reveal where you can type a question. Personally if I`m in a caloric deficit which I was about a month ago due to loss of appetite from being sick, Proviron at 50mg daily has helped me keep strength and size. I leaned up quick by eating 2 less meals per day, but held my gains.
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Pat User profile Expert
I get to keep most of my gains on 800mg of primo a week and 500mg test e, 50mg a day Anavar a day in split doses and 50mg/day of anadrol for the first 4 weeks. I don`t count calories but deficit is close to 500-700 cals.
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Dr Scott User profile Expert
Not a great cutting cycle, try tesp p tren and winny, or primo or anavar how you see fit. find cardio you like and do it more. To ask a gen question go to 24roids Q and A, my questions then ask a question. Ive got to watch my dog boo boo destroy luke keeler. Hope this helps
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evan johnson User profile Expert
YEs that is true. On steroids you can have a large caloric deficit and keep much of your gains so long as you get enough protein.
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I`m trying to choose between Geneza Sust 270 and Dragon Pharma 270. Dragon Pharma 350 is also an option. Which blend would you choose? How many CC`s/pins a week? 1 CC, twice a week? 3 Times? Help me out here. Thanks. I love Dragon Pharma but I see nothing on this 270.
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Big Dogg User profile
I would definitely go with Geneza over Dragon. The 350 is a blend of prop, cup, and enanthate I think. The 270 is the original sustanon blend with 2pmg of Acetate added. That gives it more short ester for faster “kick in”. This sounds like your first cycle so do not do more than 2ml/week. I would suggest 0.8ml 2x/week. That would just over 400mg/week. First cycle you will make good gains at that dose.
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Pookie User profile
Both work great and actually DP 350 is even a better deal. The description on DP 350 is WRONG….look on their website and it`s actually the exact same proportions as the 270`s just in a slightly higher dose. If this is not your first time it`s good to dose sus between 600 mgs to 1 gram for a mid-to advanced cycle EOD…SUS has short esters and 3+ times a week pins at a minimum. If you are paring it with other injectables and just need it as “support” go with 500 mgs a week. First time users should stick with one single LONG ester at 300-400 mgs a week and NOT use sus. I`ve tried both GP 270 and DP 270….both work but prefer DP. Good Luck
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Justin User profile
I would recommend the Geneza 270. I have used it before and can say it`s legit and dosed to perfection. I haven`t used the Dragon 270 so I can`t comment on that but 24roids only sells legit gear. I actually just ordered some of the Sus 350 but haven`t pinned any of it yet. I can`t confirm but I`ve heard the pip can be pretty bad. And yes break it up into 2-3 injections per week due to the short esters of the test prop in it. Good luck brother
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FatDadstack User profile
Both are great and ready to go Gp and Dp. Dp 350 is great for the Cruz but will make you hold more water over +400wk.Sust 270 has more pop but fades it you dont pinn at least twice a week and will hold less water but pinn more.
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Papi1266 User profile
I would say go with GP, over DP in my opinion that is, I would start at 270, a week, slowly increase if your looking to do more than that
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Siggs User profile
They are both great. I would pin 1 ml every 3.5 days. It will work great.
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Would you guys run this blend from DP as Sust 270 or would you rather run the Sust 350? I`ll be pinning 3x weekly. Thanks.
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FatDadstack User profile
I`ve ran gp 270 and pinned twice a week and loved it. My buddy runs Dp 350 and pins once a week and love it but says he as a little pip with the 350 over other testosterones.
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Dromeo User profile
I personally like and use the 350. Two pops a week.
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Heynow User profile Expert
You would want to pin that 2xs per week. Should yield good results
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Johnny Longsockz User profile
Start with the 270 and pin twice a week.
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nickname_21 User profile Expert
The 350 should still be pinned 2wice a week but it`s not gonna hurt not to. I am doing the 270 right now and enjoying it
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novadesert007 User profile
I do Sust 270 3 times a week as well. DP 350 gives me pip
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Does anyone have the lab reports on this Sust 270? I see the 350 has plenty, but I can`t find anything here. Increasingly frustrating because it`s two separate compounds.Thanks.
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John User profile
24roids has only quality gear. I wouldn`t doubt anything I get from them. You can always google lab reports though. There are some stea that independently test each lab.
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Siggs User profile
It doesn`t say it is tested. Being dragon I would say all the compounds are probably a tiny bit higher than it states.
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FatDadstack User profile
There Is at anibolic lab.com. I personally use GP products only. I run there prop 100 yr round and would worry a bit about quality.
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Heynow User profile Expert
I strictly use gp products and everything has been legit thus far
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Will User profile Expert
Lab results haven`t been posted on the 270. It`s not advertised as lab tested either, so don`t think you`re going to get it unless you pay for testing yourself after purchasing.
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nickname_21 User profile Expert
Thought I`ve seen it before I am running it right now at 2 cc per week and it`s good to go I inject every 3 1/2 days thays good enough for stable levels i got some water retention deffinitly is dosed right in my opinion
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What`s the breakdown of different esters in this compound? Mg per ester
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Nathan Co User profile
Click on the “description” part below the product. It will give you a full breakdown.
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Big Dogg User profile
It tells you if you click on the description. It is actual sustanon with 20mg Acetate added. So ace, prop, pp, iso, deca. 20, 30, 60, 60, 100.
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Swoll,onthe,low User profile
It`s listed in product description
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Pookie User profile
Its in the description. Test A – 20 mg, Test Prop – 30, Test Phenyl – 60, Test Isoc – 60, Test Decanoate – 100. Its the standard Sustanon blend plus Test ACE
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Cyclone User profile Expert
It’s clearly listed in the product description. Click on the product, click on description, check it out.
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Dan User profile Expert
That`s crazy to think about. Unless you are trying to calculate Pharma kinetic or perform HPLC with these test mix. People taking sustanon wants the effect of test with respect to time it kick in. Acetate is a one carbon ester, prop is a 3 carbon, phenyl prop has a 6 carbon ring attached to the three carbon ester, and it gets longer. The longer the esters the longer it gets release into your blood and take effect. At the end of the day what important is the testosterone molecule cleave from the esters. So test is test. But if you want molecular structure or mass you can google the name. It will give you half life, average kick in time, etc. I m looking forward to purchase this new gear. Sustanon is usually doesn`t have testA. This testA takes in effect first while the longer esters get kick in later. It`s like a time releasing testosterone medicine. Hahaha