This oil is thick. Tried subq. It`s like a solid rock under my skin for a week and producing heat from injection site. Thoughts?
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JD Cycle User profile Expert
This is not for subcutaneous. Test is pinned intramuscular. You would do HcG or HgH subq. You need to push this into the actual muscle.
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Swoleville User profile Expert
Test is best injected intramuscular. You want the oil getting into the muscle. If its just below the surface of the skin you will have a potential knot or at least some discomfort
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BigJ_2020 User profile
I had test cyp in grapeseed oil. Used supq and was really effective and zero pip. I usually go IM, but since this was new, I tried subq. The oil is not breaking down quickly.
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BillySantos User profile
Usually people inject test intramuscularly, I’ve heard of people who have pockets of oil and blood under the skin from not quite getting it in the muscle. Just inject in the muscle, glutei would be my recommendation, it’s mainly all muscle back there, good luck buddy.
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TR86 User profile
I am hearing more about sub q injections. Be wary as there has to be a specific carrier oil and alcohol content. Only a finite number of compounds should be injected sub q. IM is the safest default. Even HCG can be pinned IM. I am sorry bro but you should have a doc look at it.
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Star Fox User profile
Inject intramuscular and see if there is any change.
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Morning Bros. This is a follow up to an earlier “question”. I forgot to add my stats so I will do so now and then repost after this current bulking cycle and again before and after the Spring cutting cycle I listed. So right now I am 37yo, done more cycles than I can count but average two a year. Right now I am 197lbs at 5’11” and probably 12% body fat maybe less. I’m bulking right now taking TriTest400 at 480mg/wk, 600mg EQ/wk, 250mg Deca/wk, Dbol 30mg/day. Going to run it 16 weeks and am on week number four. Hoping to hit 210-215 and then cut down to 185/190 which for me will be super lean and shredded. After doing some research on steroidcalc I decided to front load and it seems to have worked out well. I took double the test, EQ and Deca for the first two weeks. Look on steroidcalc and see how front loading changes your cycle. It really does save some time and gets your levels up much faster than letting those long esters take effect normally. Anyways I am going to take pics as well and maybe we can get a website Instagram going where we can post pics. Thanks guys.
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N88 User profile
Great idea on the IG use and thanks for the info on front loading….good stuff!
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nickname_21 User profile Expert
Sounds like a fun cycle 16 weeks is a perfect length in my opinion I m not sure if I would run the dbol thay whole time maybe first 5 weeks and last 5 weeks I all have to try thr front loading thing next time
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nickname_957 User profile
front loading is awesome, simple and effective, yeah that Ig would be dope especially to see how the people who always give advice look, because it just makes sense to listen to someone who looks amazing that little jimmy
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Unc33135 User profile
Sound like a good cycle.. something like that will be my next cycle as i havent been on eq in years. Will also like to try the front loading, good advice. Only thing id say is maybe add alittle more to the deca per week. 250mg is pretty low, i usually run 500mg per week with good results.
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novadesert007 User profile
It sounds like solid cycle you have there. I`d grab some caber on hand in case if you need it. Front-load is great idea. I`ve done many cycles and I have not done front-load yet. I will try next time with a long ester.
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Joe User profile
Looking forward to seeing he results. Your stats are very similar to mine.
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Morning Bros. Trying to put together my spring cycle and wanted some feedback. I like to see how different people tweak things even if I don’t always listen. Ok so here’s what I’m planning so far;Week 1-12 Sustanon 350 at 350mg/weekWeek 3-12 Parabolan Tren at 350mg/weekWeek 3-12 Masteron Enanthate at 200mg/wkWeek 6/9-12 Winstrol50 or Tbol (not sure which to run). So boys how’s she look? I will also run HCG during the cycle towards the middle until the end and have Aromasin and Caber on hand for potential side effects.
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Drew User profile
I would take the winnie at 30-50mgs Ed for the last four weeks of your cycle from the finishing touches. Make sure your diet is on point and you will get great results from this cycle.
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Kenneth User profile
I`m no expert on all gear being I`ve never used masteron, winstrol, or even tren (I`ll be jumping on the tren train next round), but with what I do know so far about gear through research and paying close attention to what others have to say on this site is that if you are gonna run that many different types of gear then you should at least up your dose of test, and also run the test for maybe 16 weeks instead of 12 because that sust 350 has 3 esters and 2 of them are long acting (enanthate, cypionate) assuming you are using dragon pharma brand and are gonna at least a few weeks to be active. Hope this helps ya bud!
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JR45-aka skuchie User profile
It looks like a great cycle. I`ve read a great many of your responses to others questions and you appear knowledgeable on this subject. I`d be curious to know your starting weight and BF%. And then your ending stats. Keep us posted. Maybe one day 24roids will have a Instagram like tab where we can post B4 and after photos so we can “see” who were taking advice from. Good luck.
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patsalos mixalis User profile
how many cycled have you done, personally Im dont like tren but the cycle looks ok for me, both tbol and winstrol work, I think I got more size from tbol though.
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John User profile
Pretty good looking cycle. Looks like you`ve done your research. If you have a few cycles under your belt, I would up the Test to 500 mg a week. 350 shuts you down so might as well go to 500. If not, I would ru test only. I take HCG through the entire cycle
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Dr Scott User profile Expert
Very solid well thought cycle. I would do the winny instead of TBOL because of the SHBG binding winny will allow the other compounds to work better. solid
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This is a response to swolville`s question as it is a good one with lots of possible right answers, and you didn`t give all the possible information. I`m going to assume that you are not buying HGH and that you are paying with bitcoin, because this doesn`t really apply if not. but this is hard won information that i have learned through trial and error. I am assuming that your order is fairly large let`s say at least a grand. You cannot use your 10% bitcoin discount and your rewards credit for the same order so I would first split the order and I`ll tell you why. Make the first order $650-700 then use your rewards credit of $600 you will loose your bitcoin discount but thats fine because you will use up the $600 and the loyalty credit from your previous order will apply automatically, and you have to pay shipping at least anyhow so if you say make it $700 you may only have to pay the shipping depending on how much your previous order loyalty credit is. Then I would click on the tab that says “my 24roids reviews” post a positive response on another site and transfer the URL (its easy) and within a few hours 24roids will give you a code that you CAN use with the remaining portion of your order and you CAN combine with the 10% bitcoin discount for an additional savings of up to 40% total (30% for the review and 10% bitcoin discount) off on the remaining portion of your order. Even if you don`t use the review you can still get the 10% bitcoin discount that you would have lost if you didn`t split it plus the new loyalty discount from the first half of the order that is applied automatically, you cannot choose this. I know this is a bit confusing but you seem like a bright guy and have to have been around for a hot minute to even understand everything I`m saying, but I`m assuming that you have been around the block.lol. If this doesn`t help you I hope that it helps some one else out. 24roids is amazing and there is really a lot of money to be saved but you really have to be on top of your game to really cash in. And like I said this is all knowledge that I have learned the hard way and I am sure not the only correct way to do things. best of luck. hope this helps
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B Rad User profile Expert
Excellent advice, thanks for the post it will help a lot of folks 🙂
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hooplahhh User profile
thanks for the post, im sure it will def elp a ton of people and clear up a lot of stuff, awesome
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Matthew User profile
Pretty good strategy buddy but I would check with 24roids first on what you can use together or receive rewards for. This is what I`ve experienced. 1. If i buy $1,000 worth of gear and use my reward of $600, i only get 10% of the $400 ive actually paid for. 2. If I use loyalty reward, than i can also get 10% of on crypto. Any other rewards I don`t get. 3. I couldn`t use both my loyalty and reward credits together. This is just my experience. One last thing, litecoin has been very low recently. It`s at $53 ish, you can purchase litecoin now and if it go up to $70 you definitely save a bundle. This is more important for those that can only buy $150 worth of bitecoin/litecoin a week on Coinbase.
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RJB16 User profile
Great startagy and good post, have gotten a lot of great advice from the Q/A keep it up!!!!
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skitt User profile
LOL ha ha Thanks Dr. Scott… I got all that.. And yes that will be very helpful for me in the near future… Thanks man and good looking out
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Skuchie User profile
Excellent advice and extremely through, which we`ve all come to respect. Thanks for your input.
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I am finishing this post because maybe I wasn`t clear, and this is kind of important. Grant, I absolutely agree that having a physician in your corner is absolutely essential and Non negotiable in my opinion. I have a doctor who I am open and honest with, he knows my situation and allows me to do my own labs, I just call his secretary. He knows more about physiology heart, liver and kidney function then I could ever pretend to, like most docs. You are right, no matter your age this is critical. I am just saying that like fit mom, in the mid 90`s when I was considering a cycle I probably went to 6 doctors for advice and not once did I get one shred of tangible advice, not once. Years later I was boxing and all of the fighters were using products like halotestin and cheque drops for the increased aggression. Again, I went to 5 or 6 doctors to find out if this was true and to what extent (I didn`t want to end up stabbing people in the mall, lol), again nothing and I mean nothing. I am just saying that someone will post something like ” should I use dbol or Anadrol in my stack” and some joker will always say this forum is not the place, see a doctor. It`s just my pet peave because I think this is horrible advise and costly, and again not something I have heard about something I lived. Sorry if I wasn`t clear because you are absolutely correct and I would never want anyone to think that I was suggesting to go it alone, almost always a recipe for disaster.
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Unc33135 User profile
I agree its unlikely a doctor will know much about stacks themselves but like you said they can be very helpful in other things that come with steroids like how its effecting your liver,heart, kidneys etc. Also if you have other medical problems how is using these products going to effect your already existing conditions. Its good your doctor knows because of interactions with other medications he may prescribe.
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Matthew User profile
Here`s my $2 but I think I should get $4 instead. I read both your comments. And I totally agreed with you. “Bad” answers could lead to seriously hurting a person. Like you said, most answers is very enlighten and helpful. There are 6 answers you get to chose. So 5 out of 6 are very similar you should go with that 5. But keep in mind that any advices you give on the Q&A is a bad advices because almost everyone is doing gear on their own. No one here knows the person asking the questions with predisposition conditions. And that one pin or dose can lead to liver failure, heart attacks, etc So by giving an advice you are putting a nail in the individual coffin. But their are good new, having these brothers with experiences and knowledge can save that person life. I have been of 24roids for a very long time , 95% there are fantastic info! But I hear you and everyone heard you, once in a while there`s a bad answers but at least there`s a place to go to with unsanction pharmacopeae.
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Gearpeace User profile Expert
I just use doc to check my levels. Other than that I blast and cruise with my own gear from 24roids. I agree It`s a good idea to be honest with your doctor about what supps you`re taking.
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Jaris User profile
Tottaly agree, being opem to your doctor is a good idea, I am though, and I dont regret it
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skitt User profile
Good Read, Scott… I read both of your posts and couldn`t agree with ya anymore.. lol I have had the same issue when talking to my doc about AAS and he was pretty stumped but he does great with everything else… Ya know I try my hardest to bit my tongue after reading a lot of answers on here that people give… I`m no expert by all means but I know enough and when I see the same people on here daily handing out advise that literally contradicts themselves, it gets me pretty angry.. Specially when they don`t read the post/question in detail and just answer it with basic none irrelevant answer.. Makes me question where they get there info… anyways, happy cycling and have a great day..
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E man User profile
Couldnt have said it better, most doctors arent to educated on using test for performance enhancement reasons. But you can find any information you need online with a little effort. But if you have an educated answer to give somebody then that`s what this is for.
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This is more a comment then a question. I wish I could remember which one of you guys suggested it, but someone suggested linking my bitcoin wallet to my bank card instead of just my account, thereby avoiding the 6 day wait (there is a very small fee). I have been using bitcoin for years but that had never occurred to me! Granted I am no bitcoin Guru but what a relief, that 6 day wait is a mutherfucker, especially if you make a mistake –then another 6 days wait. So whoever it was that suggested that–thank you! Again, thank you and I wish I could remember to give you the credit you deserve. I just made an immediate purchase easy peazy. This is an amazing forum and lots of great info (granted some bullshit). But even if you are a guru ask questions, it allows others to eat and I can tell who has the goods and who is blowing smoke. Speaking of bullshit, let me please address another issue while I have the chair. Guys who suggest speaking to a physician with questions about gear,cycles or stacks. Do you think it has never occurred to a grown man to talk to an MD? Also, I am a pharmacist with an advanced degree in pharmacology and I learned almost nothing in terms of PED`s in 8 years of college. My brother and ex are both MD`s and report exactly the same thing. Granted, if you have specific medical questions (PIP issues,labs,injuries, diet) then by all means speak with a physician. But anyone who suggests to speak to a doctor about gear, stacks, side effects ect.. has clearly never taken their own advice, because doctors are woefully unequipped to handle these questions. Also, the majority of the products on this site are not now and never were available or sanctioned in the US so why would they know? Forums like this are typically much more enlightening, you just have to be able to sort through the bullshit. Anyhow I will get off my soapbox but thanks again to whoever gave that great advice. Have an amazing day everyone.
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patsalos mixalis User profile
Thanks for the info man, take care.
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Swolebro User profile
I`ll take credit for it everyone, no worries. Lol jk. Glad you`re finding the help you need on this forum. Every here is pretty nice and helpful. Every now and then you`ll get those low effort answers and people parroting what they see every one else say, but outside of that, it`s pretty cool. Good luck in the future!
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YD1 User profile
Hey bud. Thanks for the comment. People here are ni e. Well once in a while youll gett a person that thinks they are on meso forum but the majority of ppl are very helpful here as like yourself. Good luck bud.
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Grant User profile
With regard to speaking with a physician – what I have learned over years and years of learning is that, especially as I age, I have to balance my fitness goals with my overall health and wellness. While steroids present very manageable risks, they do have clear effects on cholesterol / lipid profile, blood pressure, and general heart health. In most cases, this mean getting regular (biannual) bloodwork done and interpreting the various metrics with a doctor or endocrinologist.
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evan johnson User profile Expert
You are correct linking your coinbase to your debit card is much easier. And yes it is good you consult a doctor about your PED use.
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Fit_mom User profile
So true about dr.s not being educated on ped`s. Been through that myself.
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Has anyone ever ordered a package and it says it was tendered to the military what does this mean well I still get my package
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Unc33135 User profile
Never heard of this. After doing some research it says it may be going to a military facility or the clerk may have just hit the wrong code. Would love to know how this turns out for you though.
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Charles Blaydes User profile
I need more info where did you send this? Get help from nap`s i think they would help you out more than other pp send them a email click contact us, they will get back too you within a hr or just clock on support
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BABA User profile
Are you ordering from a military base? If not, they may just be checking it at that location because the other ones are packed? No way to know really besides calling and even then I doubt you`d get a good answer. Best bet is just to be patient.
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Swolebro User profile
I`ve never heard of this happening before. Go to 24roids and either live chat or submit a ticket. Unless you ordered to a base or something idk why you would get that alert. Worse case scenario is your package is lost and 24roids will reship it
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mchilds User profile
Never heard of this either. Are you near a base or on a base? I wouldn`t advise this. Get a PO Box instead.
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Harry User profile
I’ve also never heard that in 3 plus years on here. Be patient and check the routing number. Should change in a few days with an update. Worst case, open a ticket w 24roids
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Would it be ok to run this for 20 weeks along with Boldo 300. With injections at once a week 1ml Sust and 1ml Bold for good steady gains.
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michael vanacore User profile
to get the prop thats in sust it should be done 3times a week. if not 2 times a week at minimum. same with the eq. mon thurs or tues friday. it will keep thing alot more stable. as for a cycle. definitely would not suggest 1 time a week shot. split it up half cc and half cc.
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Danielle User profile
With eq your better of running 600 to 800mg and the sust u can do 1 or 2cc a week . u. can get away with eq one cc a week bc its half life but I wouldn`t do it. . 2cc a week equivalent to 600 to 800mg a week and same with sust. . treat both the same atleast 2times a week with both. .
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evan johnson User profile Expert
Yes that is a mild cycle and can be run for a long time. However, I would make sure to get bloodwork done halfway through your cycle because it is so long. As previously mentioned EQ is best run a bit higher 500-800mg but will still work since you are running it for a long time.
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Don O User profile Expert
Yes you could get away with a mild cycle of test and boldenone for 20 weeks and should get nice lean gains over time. You might want to up the frequency to two times per week for injections just to keep your blood levels a bit more stable.
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zachary hall User profile
This is a stack that you could run for 20 weeks however I do recommend you up the frequency of injection as other comments stated. Seeing as sustanon contains test prop, You should I next that 2-3 times a week. I’d personally do three. The EQ Id also raise the dose and inject twice a week. Best of luck
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Swoll,onthe,low User profile
Yes at this dose being EQ long ester with this test dose you are good to go bro
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Is this good for a first cycle for 10 weeks or do I need more?
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evan johnson User profile Expert
While I would prefer test e at 500mg per week for a first cycle, yes that is plenty and will do just fine.
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J.P. User profile Expert
I think it`s a good choice for a first cycle, but 10 weeks may be a little short. I`d stretch it out to about 12 weeks. Make sure you have everything for your post cycle therapy in your possession before the first injection, and pick up enough aromatase inhibitor to last from beginning to the end of your PCT. Arimidex is cool while on cycle, but go with something suicidal like Aromasin for PCT and maybe even a little longer past PCT.
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TB-40 User profile Expert
That all depends on the desired dosage. This vial contains a total of 3500 mg of testosterone; so this mean you could run a 10 week cycle at 350mg per week. For a first cycle, this will produce decent results and far exceed your natural testosterone production. Having said that, most would recommend a minimum of 400 – 500 mg for a first cycle and running for 12-14 weeks rather than 10 weeks. Your already going to the trouble and risk of shutting down your natural system, so you might as well take full advantage of the cycle. If you opt to take my advice, and run 500mg / wk for 14 weeks, this would equal EXACTLY two vials of this product (500 x 14 = 7000 mg required, 3500 per vial)!
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Prototypex27 User profile
Perfect for a first run. You should gain 10 from 350mg alone per week. Throw in an oral like dbol to get you off the ground faster the first month because the test won`t be noticeable until at least week 4 because of the longer esters.
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Mike Jones User profile Expert
Buy 2 and take 2cc/ml a week with an ai and that will make a great first cycle