I`m thinking about getting the Primo 200mg from Dragon. I`d be cycling it Test cypionate. I usually cycle 250mg of test every 3-1/2 days. How often should I takw this and how much?
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evanjohnson347 User profile Expert
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Honestly primo needs to be taken quite high for good results. If that is not an issue for you since its expensive, take 500-800mg/week split into 2 injections/week with your test
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DrGray User profile
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At least 700mg a week in my opinion. Taken twice a week with test injections. Run it for about 12 weeks. It`s expensive stuff but it gives good results.
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Zilla User profile
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600mg / wk minimum. Run for 12-16 wks
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Onyx User profile
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700 mg/week for 16 wees. Good luck!
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crazy Dan User profile Expert
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You`ll love primo buddy! I m on primo200 from Dragon and it`s great. i m stacking it with testE/EQ at 500mg/600mg a week. My primo is 600mg a week split to eod because i mix all 3 in one syringe. So i pin a little over 2ml per pin. yes it`s a lot of gear so primo200 is good to use since it`s less volume. good luck brother! Don`t forget to vote for gp sustanon270 for potw. thanks!
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I heard that primo is almost impossible to be 200mg per ml becuase how heavy the molecule is and that`s why it has always been in 100mg form . Has anyone ever heard this becuase i have used this many A few times and the test report shows it`s legit if the the test is legit. But just curious if any one has opinion about this.
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Jogger User profile Expert
yeah bro I heard that too many times, it has a high molecular density, dragon always seems to get past these issues, I have the same stuff, its great
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Onyx User profile
Dragon are masters for very concentrated oils. It is g2g!
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ArthurConstance User profile
I guess Dragon`s Primo is legit. I read on one of the anabolic boards that Aaster is introducing their primo 200mg on the market any moment now. If that is true it i is gonna be bonkers good! The only problem with 200mg may be pip. I heard some people dropped Dragon`s primo 200 after 2-3 shots because of the pain. But I can`t confirm that as I haven`t tried this product from DP.
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Dr. Scott User profile Expert
well i have heard this never bought into it, probably has nothing to do with the molecular weight and more to do with solubility in oil. if you look at the molecular structure of primobolan and testosterone its hard to tell the difference, in fact the molecular weight of testosterone enanthate is around 400 (unesterified testosterone is around 288) and primo 322 (i had to look it up), not a big difference. And i have seen testosterone 600mg/ml dissolved so…Anyhow to answer your question, primobolan may have a max solubility of 100mg/ml and some companies have found a way to overcome it, but i doubt it probably just a popular strength like susta 250, its just what they often make it in, but now have found a market for the 200mg/ml. Either way it probably has nothing to do with the molecular weight. hope this helps.
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nickname_311 User profile Expert
I agree with dr. Scott also I would watch Greg do Spit on His different videos to learn more information on this he has some of the best videos right now for things like this
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JohnSmith User profile
Yeah, it is harder to put higher doses into 1ml of oil. That`s why pharm grade test from my dr is 200, but it`s labs easily put 300-500mg into 1ml. It will be much heavier and may cause pip, but with the different ester it is a little less abrasive to the tissue.
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JamesEarl User profile Expert
It is legitimate, I believe extra solvent is used to dilute the solution and it negates the molecular weight. It is 200mg per ml. As for avoiding what works for me at least is that I personally use, and it`s a 29 gauge insulin needle and I heard others do so as well. It draws and injects slower but there`s generally no pip to unnoticeable pip especially if the area is massaged afterwards for a minute or more. It also prevents scar tissue buildup. I hope it helps, good luck man!
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I thought i drop this announcement for a lot of you brothers on shipping. I have 2 outstanding packages out there. Both are Dragon. one is coming from the netherlands and was marked “shipped” on 5/5 but didn`t leave country of origin until 6/3 and it`s still out there. Another package was marked “shipped” on 6/15 and was the potw Primo. And it is in the local post office!! wth?? So one is traveling by planes and the other is on a boat?? i m probably right hahaha. So this prove that 24roids get out gear to us either in 3 weeks or 9 weeks, so be patients brother. fyi both packages are 10 bottles each!!! same size same company but different route. And here`s my question, can we get Dragon EQ500 potw next week? it`s been 2nd and 3rd for 11 weeks!! haha. Good luck to all your packages brothers (and sisters). Don`t forget to vote.
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MattBeard User profile
Shipping to UK has been pretty good tbh, 4-5 weeks max. Agree with EQ tho, keep voting for EQ500, gotta happen at some point.
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nickname_238 User profile
Thanks for the info. I will give EQ a vote, don’t forget click the arrow up!
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Patriot_1234 User profile Expert
Logistics companies are overwhelmed and short handed. It`s a mess. Sorry man. I hope EQ 500 becomes POTW I`ll vote for you, or Test 400 haha. I`m hoping something good comes up soon!
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Star Fox User profile
Thanks for the update and your not alone with packages traveling at diff speed. Good thing is that they are coming. As for your question, you got my vote for potw. Good luck.
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.50 caliber User profile
crazy dan good post thank you, i agree there is no rhyme or reason on the shipping situation. i miss pre-corona days , but im with you on the EQ 500, i want some too
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Onyx User profile
Good luck brother, I wish you a successful cycle!
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Anyone had infection or PIP from dragon gear? Also does anyone know the carrier oils they use?
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Jason123 User profile
I`ve had no pip from their test 250, EQ, mast , or tren. Not sure what oil they use.
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Jogger User profile Expert
I have used Enantat eq 500 no pip on eq very low pip on enentat, both great products, if I remember correctly it states the carrier oil on the package, good luck
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Swoleville User profile Expert
It only says made in oily solution kn the bottle. Contact 24roids and ask them
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Really considering getting this. Just every thing I`ve read and watched says it`s so hard to get legit primo. I love 24roids and never have had a bad experience. But hearing it`s hard to trust primo from just about every place I`ve researched it makes it hard to pull the trigger. Especially now that it`s half off. Who here has had good experiences with this product ? Thinking about this but may end up just going with EQ.
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DennisSpencer User profile
I`m not saying it`s not legit. I`m just going to warn you about Dragon Pharma. Their mixes sometimes leave a lot to be desired. Low dosing and inferior oils. That`s from experience.
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evanjohnson347 User profile Expert
Yes it is legit that is nothing to worry about. The problem with primo is the price and the fact that you need a high dosage to get anything out of it(500-600mg/week) at a minimum to get results and ends up being very expensive. EQ is similar in that you need to rn at a high dose to be effective but is not nearly as expensive nor do you need to pin 3-4 ccs of it a week so your call but rest assured it is legit
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nickname_238 User profile
Primo and eq are pretty mild, so unless you run them High enough with a decent test base, your not going to see Dramatic results. They are good to add for aiding recovery or on top of one ore two compounds. If you are looking for a lot more noticeable results then there are more affordable worthwhile compounds. Try something like test and deca, then you can throw in winstrol the last 8 weeks to cut up. Or test and eq. Just mentioning some different compounds if you are unsure what to expect from some of the milder more expensive drugs. Primo has it’s place but don’t be disappointed if it doesn’t work as well as it did for someone else. Take care.
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.50 caliber User profile
i would not worry about the fact if its going to be leigit but fot the average gym rat ,the bang for the buck just dont add up in my opinion. go with eq
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Has anyone used this DP primo 200 before and perhaps can share their experience with it? Also is Dragon Pharma from the UK?
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anonymous_1212 User profile Expert
Hello Manolo, I will tell you I have used their test blends and was pleased with them. I healed faster and had good gains on just an ml a week. I am also planning on ordering their Primo200 as well. As for their location one of my packages originated from Japan if that helps. Hope it helps some bro, live well and safe. Remember to vote for q&a and product of the week!
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Jogger User profile Expert
Mine shipped from Netherlands so far I love dragon man, they are great
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I am planning to run my first Primo cycle (not my first cycle though) and can`t decide how long to run it. I will be running this with HGH so I want to maximize the potential. I will run this cycle twice with a 4 month break in between each. Should I run Primo for 12 or 16 weeks? I`m also open to suggestions on my Test E levels and length as well. HGH: 4IU for 5 months 600mg Primo for 12 OR 16 weeks? I will stack the Primo with 400 to 500mg of Test E/wk. 400mg 16/wks OR 500mg 12/wks.I will also run 250mg EOD of HCG. I also have plenty for Arimidex for the Test (I get gyno very easily). I will also be doing blood work monthly. Thoughts?
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anonymous_1212 User profile Expert
Hello TazerFace, Primobolan and Oxandrolone are my favorites to run. It looks like you got your cycle really together Bro, good job. The longer you run the Primobolan the better the effect. I suggest running it for 16 WKS and run the Test the same length as the Primobolan. If you do start to get gyno either back off the test or increase the Anastrolzole. You should not get any higher pronounced gyno from the Primobolan since it is a DHT derivative but just be on the lookout and the HGH I suggest going 5D on then 2D off. AI—Take Anastrolzole in the morning as well as the HCG in the morning. Anastrolzole has a half-life of 1.7 to 2.1 or 40 to 50 hours. Also ~10% of the product is excreted unchanged in the urine. There have also been mild changes in liver values due to prolonged and high use, so be careful when combined with oral AAS. Now this depends on your metabolism also. I suggest to adjust as needed because do you said you are sensitive to gyno. I do not have that problem I just know I do not get many, if any, estrogen sides from a low to high Test run. The half-life of HCG is approximately 23 hours. After a single IM injection, ~10—12% of a dose is excreted unchanged in the urine within 24 hours and can be detected for up to 3—4 days. The timing of both has to be the same time of the day. PCT—I waited 4 weeks after the last pin to do PCT because the half-life of each ester has to be calculated into play. This way the body started sensing a large drop in hormone levels and the pituitary gonad axis starts screaming to get the engine started again. If you start it too soon then the test ester from the cycle`s last pin will still be breaking down by your metabolism. For my first two cycles I only used Clomiphene 25 MG for 2 WKS twice a day, then 25 MG once a day for 2 WKS. Since you will be running HCG the whole time let there be a week after your last HCG inj. to start Clomiphene if used. You can also do a PCT protocol for HGH also if you feel the need for it. Hope this helps you bro and the product as well. Stay safe, live well and good lift to you. Don`t forget to vote for Q&A and Product of the week!
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TazerFace User profile
Thanks for the info bro! You gave me the answer I wanted to hear. 16 weeks!! I have one more question for you if you don`t mind. With regards to the HGH dosage. You said 5 days week which I planned on doing but would suggest splitting the days off or taking two straight days off before the next HGH injection?
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anonymous_1212 User profile Expert
Hey Tazer, just getting back to you. When administered by subcutaneous or intramuscular injection. The circulating half-life of it is a short half-life (20-30 minutes), while its biological half-life is much longer (9-17 hours) due to its indirect effects. This also isn`t calculating your metabolism, activity and insulin levels. Insulin competes with HGH for placement in the cells. I suggest splitting the 2 or 4 IU of HGH up in the day; once in the morning and then a few hours before bed. It is also best to do this in a faster state as when fasting hgh naturally increases greatly (especially on a 3 day fast). I personally would do a 3-1 then 2-1. It`s the way I did my Hexarelin peptide. Your are welcome bro! Hope this other info helps and reply if you need to.
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JD Cycle User profile Expert
I`m currently running HGH with a 3 on/1 off lifting plan. Instead of 5/2, I`m doing 3/1 or sometimes I do 3 on/1 off/2 on/1 off. Because its a shorter ester, I prefer to do the 3 on/1 off, but you absolutely do 5on/1off. With COVID telework issies, I lose track of days and for me, it`s just easier to make pinning HGH part of my pre-gym daily routine. Please remember to upvote helpful comments.
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nickname_21 User profile Expert
Comes down to preference I would say 12 weeks. Enjoy the time off and donit again. As for the test any dosage you mention will be fine. Hgh looks good although I would say run that longer through put the whole thing the 12weeks cycle plus time of amd the next 12 weeks cycle.
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Gainz User profile
1st time using primo , a 10 week cycle stacked with Test. 400mg primo with 300-500mg test. Stay ontop of bloodwork. And PCT . Follow ALL cycle protocol for cycle support. Dont have to be fancy.
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Whats the pip like on this product?
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Jason123 User profile
I got zero pip from it.
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Jogger User profile Expert
I didn’t get any, any never get any with dragon eq 500 either which has high concentration, good luck
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nickname_238 User profile
Primo has always been smooth and pain free. Nothing to be considered about. Take care.
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Traianos123 User profile
This is a great compound that will not give u any pip, no pip from it even at high dosage.
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Joeskee User profile
There`s is no pip with primo it goes in smooth and leaves no pip.
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Onyx User profile
enanthate esters give you less pip. Primo doesn`t give you pip. You should be fine! I wish you luck. Remember to vote!
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Has anyone ever tested Dragon Labs (or any other labs here that offer it though 24roids) with the RoidTest product, that can determine exactly which compound you have? We hear so often that a large majority of more expensive steroids, like primobolan, are very often just an ester of testosterone (because testosterone is SO inexpensive to produce that almost nobody bothers to fake it, but they might underdose it or substitute it for more expensive drugs.Ive personally tested cypionate, and tren e bought through 24roids, and each time the vials have tested legit for the drug indicated on the labels. The Roidtest kit can even test every steroid raw powder, too, for anyone who brews.
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Patriot_1234 User profile Expert
I`m not going to mention names or provide links, but there is a very notable AAS testing website that tests UGL products and publishes their results. They have conducted hundreds of tests and honestly a majority of the products were reasonably within posted spec. I`ve spent time reviewing various labs and I did not see any “bait and switch” gimmicks like you`re describing. Do a google search and I`ll bet you`ll find the site. Good luck.
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nickname_311 User profile Expert
7 that`s the sad deal of it but 24roids has been in business for around a decade. So that has to tell you something. I was thinking about using this website 3 or 4 years ago. Then I finally decided to pull the trigger on some orders now. Websites disappear and come back and go away and everything else but 24roids has been around. So that should tell you the legitimacy.
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JamesEarl User profile Expert
Thanks for confirming, I`m glad 24roids has legitimate products. After all they`ve done something right to be in business so long. Great company!
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Joeskee User profile
Everything is legit I`ve personally test almost everything on 24roids but not recently but I have tested years back and even the primo can back legit and was seriously surprised cause that`s the one drug that`s been faked.
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POOKIE2 User profile
For dragon products I`ve tested primo and Var before and both were good. I normally dont do any testing unless a female will be taking it. If I`m taking it I`d know if it`s legit based on bloodwork and how I feel. Good luck….stay swole!
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I could deffinitly use another bottle or 2 of this I have used it once before and loved it. Since the gyms will be opening up soon i was thinking of using this at 600mg per week along with 250 test per week and 400 masteron per week. And diet down for the rest of the summer. I hope this wins product of the week. Been saving a few bottles for this cycle. Vote primo. And if you have used this before please share your experince.
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nickname_311 User profile Expert
Seems like test has been voted a lot on here I believe I saw Primo on here once. I`d like to see some masteron come up.
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JamesEarl User profile Expert
Recently primo won potw man. I wish the 200mg per ml does, that`s an even more bang for the buck. Before writing it off I really wanna try 700mg to 1,000mg weekly for an entire 5 month or more cycle. I heard it gives a great statuesque physique. I`ve heard too much good stuff about it so I wanna give it a long hard dieting cutting shot and see if it lives up to the hype. If not I`ll never use it again if others are as good. But so far I`m with you and I wanna see for myself. I hope it gets voted in more often.
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nickname_238 User profile
I definitely voted for it, primo is considered a mild drug but I always feel great on it! 500mg to 600mg a week makes me look like my muscles are full and pumped just walking around. Take care.
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Joeskee User profile
Definitely will be voting for primo 200 and the reason why people don`t use primo is cause they don`t have a clean enough diet so there go to gear is tren cause they don`t want to diet hard. Primo is the shot when u doing even thing write and not for nothing who wants to feel toxic all the time from other gear. I wanna feel goood
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JackB User profile
Wasn`t Primo 100 only $33 a couple of weeks ago. $80 for the DP 200 isn`t that great a deal in comparison, no?
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I received my primo recently and pinned 2ml for the first time last week, in the ventro glute where I have pinned 1ml of test cyp for years (trt). I had horrible pip. The site is inflamed and warm and hurts like hell. It`s finally subsiding after 8 days. Pinned again yesterday, this time in the glute. Same problem so far. God forbid I roll over in bed – the pain is immense. Any idea what the problem with this stuff is? Does this sound like too much alcohol, or would that just cause burning? What oil can I cut this with to see if dilution helps?
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nickname_404 User profile Expert
My first choice when this sort of thing happens is sterile technique and/or needle size and placement. and ventro and certainly regular glute is usually GTG. So if you are doing all that correctly and it sounds like you are if you have been doing it for years with no problems ( and hopefully not using an 18g needle or something), it can only be one of two things either the gear is compromised and non sterile or you are allergic to the drug or carrier (both of these options are pretty rare). i would first really try to contact the pharmacy (everyone always says contact 24roids but i doubt they could help, but i suppose it couldn`t hurt) and figure out what the carrier oil is, that may help you in the future. I never recommend diluting your gear but short of throwing out that costly primo (but that would be my advice, fuck it not worth your health) that is likely your only choice. i have been able to get 100% sterile, filtered oil for work but not sure if just anyone can order it, i bet you can but you will just have to search. and it doesn`t usually matter cottonseed, grapeseed linseed or MCT as long as it is 100% sterile, filtered for injection. Again, not what i would recommend but if you do at least make sure it has those qualities. good luck and let us know how you resolve it. I would be interested to hear.
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Jasonz User profile
Hey Burt. I`ve found dragon products especially the high concentration ones to have terrible pip and I dont use them for that reason. There sus 350 is a shocker for me. Good luck mate.
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nickname_21 User profile Expert
Ya primo hurts the worst I would just use 1 ml at a time and mix it with the test in same syringe that helps for me anyways.
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Joeskee User profile
I would split the dose up Monday wens Friday at 1cc each day and plus it`s the first time u use that compound it`s not use to it but u will be fine. Just split up
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Dosage, would you rather run 400mg per week for 10 weeks or 400mg per week for 15 weeks. Or 600mg per week for 10 weeks. Or your opinion on dosage. I would be adding 400mg masteron for 10 weeks and test at 250mg per week. Ran many cycles over the years just looking to tighten up gain a little strength
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lou User profile Expert
I’d do 600 for 10 weeks test at 250 and Masteron at 400, 500 primo will also be fine, good luck
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nickname_21 User profile Expert
Thanks for the reply hoping this wins potw inhave used this before at 400 per week but would like to do it at 600. Already got 2 bottles just need 1 more, maybe 2 lol
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Juice24roids User profile Expert
I agree with Lou that 600mg/week primo for 10 weeks is good. Consider upping the test to 500mg/week and adding in an oral like proviron in the first 3 weeks and anavar in the last 3 weeks (break from orals mid-cycle). Thanks
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Let`s vote on primobolan for potw like others mentioned! I`ve actually left a few messages to get the very expensive and physique altering primobolan selected as potw man but unfortunately it seems most people want fast bulking. The problem with fast bulkers is that it is mostly water bloat, and even intra cellular muscle volumizing from water is going to shrink when the water leaves after the cycle finishes you know? Primobolan etc causes actual muscle fiber increases and that is why the gains are slow but at the same time the gains are keepable because it is real muscle and not just mostly intracellular water retention volumizing that is easily lost post cycle. I urge people to vote primobolan myself because I rather have real muscle fiber growth. Besides primobolan is very physique altering and works wonders on creating a statuesque physique with very clean and hard dieting. It`s a great cutting compound. Although it is the diet that determines if you cut up or not, primobolan adds quality muscle or at the least prevents muscle loss on strict cutting diets. Primobolan is the only anabolic steroid that was purposefully created for bodybuilding. All other anabolic steroids were created for other medical reasons, but primobolan was actually created for bodybuilding. I`ve read many times that primobolan is the only steroid that can add muscle while in a caloric deficit as compared to other steroids. No it does not add a ton of muscle while cutting but it`s a great bonus to know that instead of just maintaining muscle you added a few extra pounds on it while cutting up. It increases nitrogen dramatically and eating a lot of protein is not only a must but it can convert more protein into muscle synthesis as well as opposed to other steroids. Don`t let the slow gains on primobolan fool you because they will be quality gains and keepable due to that. Primobolan can be used to bulk, but because of it`s heavy molecular structure you`d have to inject a ton of it weekly like perhaps 2,000mg weekly or more to bulk. It is very expensive so running it at no less than 500mg per week and preferably 800mg weekly or 1,000mg per week if one can afford it would be great to cut up on. Come on everybody keep all this in mind and lets vote primobolan in from now on!
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Swoll,onthe,low User profile
Your gona spend $800-1000 on a cycle of just this compound is what else you need ? Just get hgh and the test cyp. There is better bangs for your buck here but if you got extra cash then get it but if you do why worry about half off price just order it. I order bulk when I buy potw like atleast 20bottles
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Dr Scott User profile Expert
Thanks for the long tutorial on how primo works but i agree with shark for 2 cycles of primo i could do a susta/tren GH with far more longer lasting benefits. I agree its a good drug but is and always has been too expensive for the mild gains, which is (i suppose) the point of your post. And frankly i have never found my gains on primo lasted longer than say anavar, winny or even tren. People are going to vote for what THEY want. but i appreciate the info.
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Branko User profile
I think everyone has their favorite compounds to run for their own specific reasons and level of experience running cycles. That`s why I rarely vote for pow, and when i do, it`s specific to what I want to run. I`d rather see universal compounds like test that everybody uses, so everyone gets a chance to save some dough, vs things like tren that not everybody is ready for. But if your looking for a low side compound that gives lean and maintainable gains at a better price, why not go with eq? It has all the positives you mention, and cheaper than primo. There`s not much use in trying to sway popular opinion, as I suspect alot of real life buddies on here trying to run the same cycles. Maybe that`s just conspiracy theories, but I never base my cycle off what is pow. If I can use it, great…otherwise I want to run what I want to run . But seriously, check out eq. I have it ordered specifically for the reasons you mention. Hope this helps.
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ShreddedFreak User profile
Yeah it`s too bad everyone want to vote for test or tren it honestly makes no sence lol. Primo is an amazing compound and alot of pros use it to put on quality mass!
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Wouldn`t this be a nice change a product of the week. Think of the possibilities I love running this with masteron and maybe even some winstrol summer shredder vote bow if you agree
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los User profile Expert
It’s a great product but most people vote on test, anavar etc, good luck brother I love primo too
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Jasonz User profile
I agree. Let`s get primo on POTW! It`s got my vote….
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Swoll,onthe,low User profile
It would be great and it`s legit but the price even at half off is too much and will never make potw . Test tren deca maybe eq is all you will see potw.muscle is muscle if it grows it grows the type of gear doesn`t matter just shows the water retention and some does not so run dry gear instead of wet and there you go
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JB205 User profile Expert
You got my vote for primo this week and I`ll get some of the guys I work with to vote it up, but I`m going to need some help voting up Dragon cut mix 150 or Geneza andomix sometime soon. One of the best products I`ve ever ran to help shred and build a great beach or pool body for the summer. If you guys haven`t tried this compound, your missing out.
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evan johnson User profile Expert
Yes it is a good idea considering primo is so expensive. However, it is not as popular as some other and I doubt it will win.
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Dan User profile Expert
Primo is on the high end of prices and should get 50% off. I think guys don`t like to use it for that reason. So therefor less brothers voting on it. Another reason, you need to pin at least 800mg to get a real meaningful outcome so you need to buy more bottles. That`s the drawback. But i have you brother, getting potw will save us a grid of money!
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Is this primo (200 mg/mL) painful to pin compared to the standard 100 mg/mL dose? Thanks y`all
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Cyclone User profile Expert
Absolutely not, the long ester products tend to have little or no PIP!
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Murderface User profile
Not at all, in fact this should theoretically have LESS post injection pain since its a long ester compound.
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JMann User profile
Nope really smooth, primo is great. It’s very mild and low in side effects.
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nickname_464 User profile
No very smooth, you shouldn`t be able to tell the difference. The only reason it would be is like any other oil if injecting into a virgin muscle can be slightly sore the next day. Your good to go.
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Taylor User profile
Primo is one of the more smooth substances to pin. Injection goes in very smooth.
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Juice24roids User profile Expert
Hey GS, NO, not at all. The minor difference in mg/mL won`t make any difference in pinning. Thanks for the question
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Don O User profile Expert
Hey GS, Ive never personally used the DP Primo 200 so I cant speak from direct experience but Im going to go out on a limb and wager that the previous 6 respondents havent either, I may be wrong but if they did they sure havent left any product reviews because theres only one and it didnt have any useful info. Primo is known to be a bit irritating regardless of its long ester length and thats probably why youre asking about a product dosed at double the standard concentration. It stands to reason that the DP Primo 200 is a tad more irritating than standard Primo 100, just par for the course with Primo. If Im full of shit and youve actually used the DP Primo 200 then set me straight, drop your experience, and do a product review as well.
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Steve User profile
I have used this Primo at 200mg/ml and I have used Magnum Pharmaceuticals Ampoules at 100mg/ml. Both were extremely smooth, and neither had any PIP whatsoever.
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What do you think the optimal dosage for this for a calorie deficit summer cycle. For someone that is very familiar with gear late 30s and assuming everything else is in check. Would be with trt dosage of test. 5`8 200lbs probably 15 percent bodyfat and going to go to 10 percent for the summer. So basically want to drop 10lbs of fat not scale weight . Diet and training and cardio will be in full efect. Bonus question another compound that will complement this
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novadesert007 User profile
I`ve ran Primo before, and I ran 600mg a week with 500 Test. Primo will give you lean mass but I rather just run higher Test, to be honest. If you must run Primo for whatever reason Sure go ahead. If you very familiar with gears then I suggest run HGH, great fat burner.
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BigOlRed User profile
I would start at about 200 a week just to see how your body handles it and then go from there throwing some cabergoline to make sure the prolactin sides aren`t bad
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Cyclone User profile Expert
To see how his body handles it BigOlRed??? Its primo, which is the most side effect friendly steroid in existence. Caboergoline??? Really? This isnt an 19nor – you havfe NO business giving advise. Min effective dosage would be about 400, with 600-800 producing more pronounced results. Primo often comes down to how much you can afford.
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Kevin User profile
Primo is slow to gain with and normally isn`t used to cut with. Run a basic cycle of test. I personally like the test,tren,mast cycle. I can handle tren well so I recommend it if are up to trying it. Some like eq or npp with test to cut. But the test,tren,mast will work the beat with a good diet and training program.
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Htimserd User profile
Take between 100-200mg test cyp per week. Grab anavar at 50-75mg a day or turinibol at 50m/day for 8 weeks. Then run winny 50mg a day for last 4 weeks. Get Cardarine off a sarm website. Get clen and take 20mg a day first week and add 20 mg every week for 4-6 weeks. Have a calorie deficit of 500 Cala a day
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Big Dogg User profile
For your goal of 10lbs fat loss I would just run 400mg/week for 16 weeks or even 20 weeks. This part will go contrary to what most will tell you but dbol at 30mg/week for the first 6 weeks will help you build up some mass which will burn more fat. At a calorie deficit with cardio and at low dose bloating and water gain is minimal but there are few AAS better at nutrient partitioning and protein synthesis than Dbol. I`ve used Dbol for cutting at this dose and lost 2lbs of fat and gained 1 pound of muscle per week for 4 weeks straight using an InBody to measure. If you`re looking for vascularity, etc.. use Winny at the last 6 weeks.
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What do you think the optimal dosage for this for a calorie deficit summer cycle. For someone that is very familiar with gear late 30s and assuming everything else is in check. Would be with trt dosage of test. 5`8 200lbs probably 15 percent bodyfat and going to go to 10 percent for the summer. So basically want to drop 10lbs of fat not scale weight . Diet and training and cardio will be in full efect. Bonus question another compound that will complement this
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BigOlRed User profile
I would start out with 200 a week see how you do and throw in some cabergoline and just to make sure the prolactin isn`t as bad
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JD Cycle User profile Expert
This isn`t a 19-nor…no need for Caber. I would start at 400mg minimum. May want to look into anavar to add to it.
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Noki User profile
It is best for you to start of with low dosing so I`d do around 300ngs. You could also look into throwing in some winning, mast or EQ which are all great for cutting
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SamV User profile
no need for Caver. Start with 200 for two weeks and raise to 400 max and stay there.
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jason User profile
Forget the primo and take your body to the next level for summer. 300mg week tren and 400-600 week masteron. Hell it won`t probably cost any more and you`ll get way better results. Primo is weak!
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How long should primo be ran and what`s a good starting dosage? Any advice or info is appreciated. Thank you in advance
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FatDadstack User profile
It all depends on your goals but for me if I got the money I like to run it a good 16 weeks at 600 to 800mg a week
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Dromeo User profile
If this is your first cycle I`d run test only at 400mg/ week. Enanthate or Cypionate preferably. Pin twice a week. Monday and Thursday. You can add Primo to this if you`d like. I`d run that at 400 also, same schedule. Run these for 10-12 weeks. Before running AI`s watch “Rxmuscle Estrogen Management” on YouTube. Very short but informative video.
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JMann User profile
You can run it 10-12 weeks. Anywhere from 600-800mg a week would be fine. It’s a pretty mild compound, so you have to run a decent dose, but you will see solid lean tissue, it’s not a fast mass builder. Pretty mild on side effects as well, one of the only down sides is primo is expensive.
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Will User profile Expert
Primo isn`t very toxic to the body. You can run with your standard cycle of Test for the full duration. 12, 14, 16 weeks are all acceptable.
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nickname_464 User profile
I would run cycle for 12 to 14 weeks. Be sure to keep an AI handy just in case and only take as needed. Best of luck mate.
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Juice24roids User profile Expert
Hey DeeCee, primo is the “safest” of these compounds, still not safe, but it isn`t so neurotoxic and can be run 12 weeks. I would start at a low dose of 300 if it`s your first time and work up to 600. Thanks for the question
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I never ran Primo before but after hearing what everyone on this forum has to has me interested in running it. What would be a good stack with the Primo? I have pretty much everything on hand. I have DECA, EQ, SUSTANON, CYP, Dbol, Tbol, Anadrol, Winstrol, Tren and Masteron.
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Primo User profile
Primo is not overly anabolic but is great for mild gains, and preventing muscle loss while in a calorie defecit during prep. It`d be good to rub with prop, and winny.
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traianos123 User profile
Thinking on what componds u have u are doing bulking cycles, great!! if i were u i forget about Primo and i use what i have, Sustanon 600mg/week, EQ 600mg/week or more, Deca 400mg/week, an oral Dbol or Anadrol, this cycle will give good results if your diet is good and if u train hard at gym. Dont forget that if u use Deca u need Caber, and for the other compounds that converts u will need an AI. HCG during cycle will keep your balls at normal size and the PCT will be more effective.
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j.b. User profile
wow i wish i had your arsonel lol i would go with cyp/tren/ winny/and primo. prop would be better choice i take it your trying to cut. start with 6-8 weeks test and tren, then drop the tren and add in the win/primo
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Dr Scott User profile Expert
I like tesp P, the sust will be fine, some tren your primo and the last 8 weeks of winny. Great stack for lean hard gains. I have used it many times. Primo is a great drug but way too expensive for the returns you get IMO. But run it and see how you do. But for me i could leave the primo out for a few cycles and with the money i saved just get some GH. The results are much more dramatic. Just my 2 cents. One more thing, i don`t hear about much fake gear any more but when i do it is almost always var or primo. Just something to take into consideration, but if you got it from 24roids you should be fine. I trust 24roids more than any other site. good luck bro
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Taylor User profile
Having a Test base is ideal. Stacking it with Sustanon would be ideal as it will jumpstart with the prop and the life will be long with the Enthanate and Cypionate. Primo is also something that should be ran 12 weeks so it`s a perfect stack.
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Gearpeace User profile Expert
Primo, Sustanon, Masteron and winny will shred you up. Run winstrol last 6 weeks. Add the deca if the drying out causes joint pain. You`re like me been stocking up. Good to have choices right? I`ll often switch up my intended cycle a few times before committing to a plan. Cheers man
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What dosage are guys recommended for bulking cycle and how long cycle should be ? I was thinking to run test e 500mg a week and 350mg test suspension a week everyday 50mg before workout . and 500mg primobolan a week and 600mg eq a week . Expert please .thanks for help
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Dromeo User profile
That`s a good cycle. You can run EQ and test for up 20 weeks. Don`t forget an AI.
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Lorddrip User profile
I would say you are right on target buddy that 350 mark if it`s the sweet spot for you keep doing it less is more always good luck buddy
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nickname_999 User profile Expert
1000mg test enathate 800 primobolan 500 tren 80mg per day anavar first 6 weeks 75mg winstrol per day last 6 weeks this would be ultimate calum von moger uses this good luck
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nickname_464 User profile
That`s a lot of test every week. I`d maybe only run the test e at half a ml twice a week and keep your total down a little. Also be sure to have your ai on hand because especially with the suspension your going to need it. Something about test with no ester attached that seems to cause gyno a little easier. I`m sure you`ll have a full body recomp after a cycle like that. Best of luck mate.
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GainsVille_85 User profile
That’s a lot of test per week. Testosterone is really quite a “dirty” drug. Lots of sides at that dose if you’re not on top of it. That cycle should completely transform your body. Good luck man.
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Barry Gibson User profile
Maybe use test suspension only or swap for an esterified test because unless you`re at least intermediate you`re basically using a lot of test man.
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We are talking at least the 5 pack for a proper cycle of this stuff. Worth saving my money to try what the pros use? Or stick with Mast, DHB, or Tren? Please only comment if you have ran 600 or more for at least 12 weeks. Thanks, happy holidays and happy gainz broz!
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novadesert007 User profile
I`ve run 700 on my second cycle because I thought It would give me fewer sides than test. For Test I get acne. I finally managed to take Accutane. My experience at 700mg a week on Primo is not worth it. I did not get the size I want on Primo as I wanted on 500mg of test.
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Blaha User profile Expert
I am currently running 400mg per week with 150mg trt. And on my 6th week I can say I can deffinitly see some muscle growth good pumps at the gym and more strength. But I would deffinitly go for 600mg next time and probably up my trt to 200. It is a mild drug so depends on what your goals are bot going to put a ton of mass on but if your looking for a recomp or a small cut cycle it works great for that and the sides are minimal have not had any soo that`s always good
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Anonymous56 User profile
What are your goals? What is your training for wanting to run it like this. I have ran it at 600 but afterwards felt it was better to run test at a higher level. Best of luck man
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skitt User profile
Depends really in what you are wanting to do with your body right now.. I personally would stick with the Masteron, Tren and DHB products.. You would way more bang for your buck compared to Primo.. Now if you can afford it no problem then shot give it a try but as mentioned its a very mild drun and you will see grow but no where near if you were to run the other compounds..Although Primo is really good at presearving muscle if cutting but again I guess it really depends on what you want to do this cycle.. good luck bro… Could always take the chance and experiment a bit this time around
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RJB16 User profile
Primo is good ran at 600 per wk, You can run it higher but I got good gains at 600.
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Feedy User profile
Promo is a good stack. As far as Pro`s, they are on heavier stuff. Primo is very mild and you won`t get quick results from it but it is a safer compound to use long term
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Guys, primobolan is very expensive. It gives a slow build up of high quality etched gains, the gains are keepable. Why not vote for a product that costs 3 to 4 times as much as testosterone which has keepable gains even after the cycle has long, long ended? You can always buy cheap testosterone with or without a sale…so let`s vote in the expensive stuff like oxandrolone or primobolan! Why not? I`m for high quality keepable gains…you should too!
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LongIslandBEAST User profile
I asked this question tongue in cheek about a week ago. I said since everyone says keepable gains than this just be on sale in perpetuity and we should use it in every cycle. The replies I got were that keepable gains means that the gains are not water weight like dbol or nandrolone. So dry gains that stay longer but of course when you come back to physiotypical Test levels you will lose your gains, mostly.
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Fit_mom User profile
I personally as a female like primo. For us it is a great deal as I dont need as many vials as a male dose. But slow and steady gains. It is a great off season steroid. I dont really know why more men dont take it. So much less is sides or support to deal with. Probaly the lack of patience and the price together for many.
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nickname_744 User profile Expert
People don`t really know how to run primo. That`s why it has won pow only once during the past year. it doesn`t make sense to vote for cheap compouns, just waste of a decent discount
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Swoll,onthe,low User profile
Yes I am waiting for this potw but it never happens..it has my vote guys.put the dragon 200 primo
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Jasonz User profile
I agree with all said here. I`m stocking up next time it comes on sale. We should all be voting the expensive stuff in every week to save more-it just makes sense.
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Sherwin User profile
Not a bad plan, primo is pretty expensive and has to be run in significant quantities to see solid gains.
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If I ran a 12 week cycle of only primabolon, would it even be necessary to run PCT at the end?
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Anonymous 467 User profile
Yes this will shut down your natural testosterone production. It is not advised to run this without a testosterone base. You`re been if running with test and following with a full PCT. Good luck bro
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Mr.smith User profile
Yes. Test should be run with this followed by a proper pct. if you were gonna runnanyfhing solo, it should be test then add on to that. It’s the base for pretty much anything you want to do.
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K.D.T User profile
Yes pct should be used as well as some type of test bolth compound will shift you down and primo should not be ran without at least a trt dose of test Nova and or clomid for pct
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Gymr User profile
I would run pct afterwards as well. Get bloods done before and after and dnt just go off of “feel”. How much you running each week?
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nickname_21 User profile Expert
Ya becuase it will shut down your natural testosterone. Maybe not as much as other. Word of advice you will get twice the gains running a small dosage of testosterone even at 200mg a week with no side for the most part and then run a short pct. Primo is good but all steroids shut down natural test levels. So your hindering your gains wether it`s for building muscle or leaning out.
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.50 caliber User profile
yes it would be necesary, primo like others will shut test down, why would you want to do thi very espensive aas alone?
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I need some advice… The PIP is so bad, I don`t won`t to pin again. This is my first time with Primo and I`ve pinned 3 times. I have painful hard lumps in each spot and it makes it hard to sleep and lift.Besides warmer the primo, and the injection spot, what are some ways to lessing the pain?I tested the DP primo and its legit and I`ve notice results within a few days. Mainly hardens and the vein game is on point. Thanks Bros for your help!
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skitt User profile
If you haven`t tried your glutes then give that a shot for one as its a pretty big muscle to despence oil in… 1.. when injecting if your warming it up which is good it will help make sure you take your time pushing the plunger in and not rushing the oil into the muscle so it has time to disparse in the muscle… also keep it around 2 ml or lower per shot so not to much oil in one spot… Maybe take a shower prior to taking your shot so the muscle is relaxed.. Last but not least you good be having a reaction to the carrier oil its mixed in.. Just an idea but try a few of those things out.. If it gets to painful something else is going on and maybe this isnt the compound for ya… good luck
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Glynn_1224 User profile
Yeah I`ve always had luck in the glutes it`s never painful at all heat it up and go slow and you should be good to go.
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Drew User profile
Heat the primo up a bit and mix it with some test to lessen the pip also shoot into your glues if your shoulder injections are bothering you.
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.50 caliber User profile
try cutting your dose in half, you must be running test with it so mix the test and ptimo in same syring. inject very slow
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nickname_458 User profile
Ventro glutes are are my favorite when it comes to pip, you don’t have to sit on it and feel it with every step. Only down side is it’s hard to reach injecting yourself, my wife does it for me. Other than warming and massaging the area afterwards you can cut the primo with sterile oil or another compound. I’m my experience higher concentrations of primo usually have more bite than others compounds. Good luck.
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Fit_mom User profile
For the pip only time will lessen the pain. You can take a pain reliever to see if that helps. Sounds like you probably pinned your quads? So many people dont understand the complexity of leg anatomy. This is such a complex area the glutes should always be the first choice. You have a sterile abscess. Your body is going to deal with the foreign material the best it can. Look up what a sterile abscess is. If you develop a fever get to your dr. Good sign of infection. Dont rub it either. Good luck
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lets go prim 200 save the most we can. hell if hgh was a choice wed vote for that. wouldnt we ??????
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KDD User profile
Never tried HGH yet. Definitely considering it in the future though.
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swoleville User profile
Hgh is too rich for my blood. I`m voting for tren ace
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Nalder User profile
I wish it were possible, but in most cases the two possible winners are “decided” right out of the gate on Monday, primo is way down the list.
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nickname_464 User profile
We can try, nothing wrong with being hopeful. Best of luck mate.
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Swoll,onthe,low User profile
Primo or test cyp.i need to stock up my test.
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Anonymous17 User profile
Haha hgh would be awesome but i doubt that`s even an option. It`s so expensive. I would vote for it though
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Afternoon Bros. When people say Primo gives you gains that you keep what does this mean exactly? Are they saying you can literally just PCT and keep all the gains you made never going back on gear? So you build however much muscle on Primo and then keep everything after returning to natural testosterone levels? If this is true than we need to vote for this product every single week as there is nothing better. I would love to make permanent gains that don’t require being at higher than natural test levels. Is this even possible? I’ve never tried Primo because of ya price but if we can get this down I would love to try a cycle of it with TRT test levels and see what I can gain and keep.
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Dr Scott User profile Expert
Primo, like tren, winny and anavar and HGH upset the electrolyte balance and estrogen levels much less then say test and anadrol. Thereby causing much less bloat and making harder leaner gains. Typically when I go off a heavy cycle of say sust and anadrol I immediately loose at least half my gains to water weight within a few months. Some drugs are are much better at keeping gains for longer but the sad truth that people dont like to talk about is that if you stay off long enough you loose 90-100% of your gains over time, at least that is the case for me. Look at all the former pros who stopped using gear after a few years they are a shadow of their former selves. I do find that when I run HGH that the lean muscle mass is much greater and I keep it for much longer.
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NPC LIFE User profile
LMAO that’s a dream come true. That is in heard of. Nothing is permanent. Your body will always return to its natural genetics. I have use primo in prep and you don’t keep anything when you come off. Good luck guys be safe
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Anonymous 467 User profile
Primo just allows for dryer more lean gains. Won`t be as much water bloat as from other compounds. But no matter what you will not keep EVERYTHING that you gain. But a good pct followed by hard work you can keep a lot of the gains
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Mr. T User profile
Your muscles hold a lot of water. Test increases the amount of water which is why you get bloated. When you get off the test and the bloat goes away so do some of the gains because some of the gains were just water. So if something says gains you keep, it just means you won’t get bloated or have water gains.
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mchilds User profile
The best way I can describe is when I was done with a cycle and threw my back out I had to stop lifting for almost 3 months. Despite sitting around and not eating optimally during this time there were cuts in places and my abdomen was flatter than before I did the cycle. You can just tell that your body looks different in a positive way despite coming off months down the road. And the more cycles you do with compounds like these (tren is another example) the more the results add to the next. This is why the pros seem to have permanent definition year round because they do multiple cycles and continue to add to the results. There is a reason why arnold swore by primo being the best steroid out there. So when they talk about permanent physique changes they aren`t referring to your pct protocol but that is an important part.
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nickname_21 User profile Expert
Basically when your use testosteron your muscle grow and when your test goes back down your body can not sustaine all that growth becuase you dont have supernatural test levels, so you will looses all the muscle you gained over time if you never cycle again. Plus on test if you put on 20lbs 10 to 15 will be water so when you get off you loose the 10 to 15 of the 20 you feel smaller you look smaller. With primo and other steroids you dont gain the 20lbs you gain like 3 or 4 all muscle no water. So it`s easier to keep those. Now if you use it with 500mg of test then you will get more gains but alot of water with that. That`s why I run a trt dosage of test so theres no water levels are always even then use other steroids for the gainz
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Guys lets vote in primobolan 200 from now on!Keepable solid high quality gains. Side effects nearly zero to none. Expensive *So needs to be voted ed in*Lets do it!
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Gymr User profile
This.. and var as well
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Samuel Goodwin User profile
Already voted for it. I hope it wins man.
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Theo User profile
Shoot, I already voted for something else. It’s pretty unlikely that voting for this this late in the week will be successful, but that’s just my 2 cents.
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YD1 User profile
Maybe will be up for next week but as for now there is absolutely no way it will make it to the top. GP got this LOCKED! If anything you will see GP Primo. Good luck.
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KDD User profile
Yes theres always next week! I`ll be voting.
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Test Case User profile
I`ll strongly consider it but I`m always going to also vote test c .. but I will consider aditivo for primobolan
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Let`s PLS vote this for Product of the week soon. Just once more this year, and I`ll stock up now that I`ve tried it!
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Fit_mom User profile
That really is a great one to use. I don`t know why more dont go for it. Guess we all like to take more risks since we`re impatient. Lol good luck
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nickname_537 User profile
I`m voting for it man. Primo is very expensive, side effect friendly, and the gains are high quality, plus they are keepable gains. Why others vote cheap testosterone is confusing. Guys lets vote in primobolan 200 from now on!
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A.B User profile
I agree go for the higher priced effective compounds
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Samuel Goodwin User profile
Already voted for it man. I hope it wins.
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Sherwin User profile
Shoot, I already voted for something else. It’s pretty unlikely that voting for this this late in the week will be successful, but that’s just my 2 cents.
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FLJay User profile
Whats uo man. After my cypionate brother. Just got primo 4 weeks ago. Good luck.
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1. How can we band together to get Dragon Primo 200 voted as Product of the Week? 2. Can someone who has knowledge of prescription Primo share his experience? I`ve heard of this being prescribed in Canada for HRT and am curious to know the pros and cons… thx
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Fit_mom User profile
I`m down for primo 200. It`s a great steroid for a clean cycle with low sides. I have ran gp primo with great results.
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Canadian User profile
Never heard of it being prescribed in my country. But it`s a good compound. I`ll vote for it
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nickname_48 User profile Expert
It was product of the week 3 weeks ago. Based on what I have seen it only becomes product of the week one or twice a year.
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Unc33135 User profile
The pros are, it produces gains that you will mostly keep after running it and the side effects are very minimal in comparison to other steroids. Its not voted as product of the week as often as something like test because more people use test. It was voted a few weeks back tho, could be a little bit until it wins again.
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LongIslandBEAST User profile
I’m pretty sure that was Product of the Week about a month ago if I’m not mistaken. And that is rare to have Primo as potw so sucks you missed out. Usually we get Tren and Test but every once in awhile we get something else. My nominee is DHB-150 from Aaster Solutions. It’s some awesome stuff and until recently unavailable. Let’s get that Product of the Week.
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Swoll,onthe,low User profile
I will be voting for this.Wuld love to stock up but only if half off
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I purchased NPP by Para Pharma and Primobolan by Dragon Pharma. Both compounds gave me severe swelling, pain, and redness at every injection site every time. Pain enough that I could barely get up from a chair, and the pain lasted several days. This did not happen with Test, just these two compounds from different labs. Could it be the oil/ester used? I want to purchase a compound that I can tolerate.
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anon5_uk User profile Expert
For NPP it is indeed most likely the ester. As for Primo, same enanth as the test you took. You may be more sensitive/prone to PIP, although swelling and redness is not usual. Perhaps bake your vials at 120C for 30 mins, put a needle in the rubber stopper while it bakes in the oven so that the pressure can equalize. This will sterilize it as well as homogenize it incase anything split.
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N88 User profile
I used dragon NPP and Primo and no pain. Not sure about the other brand. Normally dragon uses good carrier oils and is smooth. Silly question but you also tried in the glutes with 1.5″ needle? Also when trying new compounds there are sometimes excessive pip pain the first few injections. Other areas can be more sensitive like quads and delts. Also if you got the 100 mg per ml strength it could be the volume that`s giving extra pip. If I shoot more than 2 MLS in the delts I get more discomfort. Any lumps or swelling or heat coming off of the injection site?
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mchilds User profile
Some people are more prone to injection tenderness. Most likely it’s the bases that they “cut” the stuff with that will cause irritation. It could be what DP uses. I use GP with no problems. PS: Do not “bake” your vials. This will break down the compounds and potentially cause more harm than good. You could run the vial under warm water before pulling it out to see if that would help though
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The gigalo with the most below User profile
Yes heat up just like the guy says and make sure to clean the injection spot good with alcohol. When u injecting about half way through pull out about a quarter inch and slowly push this way it`s not all in one pocket. Massage the area this should help. Hope it goes well
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Drew User profile
Is this your first time injecting heat if so I would just don’t inject some much at one time.
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nickname_2345 User profile Expert
You didn`t mention what gauge and length needle you used, if you did everything correctly then try pinning smaller amount each time, maybe its the concentration
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Someone replied to my question saying start out at 200mg a week. Understood, but is that one pin of 200mg a week or 2 pins of 100mg a week?
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Skuchie User profile
Since you bought a product that’s 200mg per ml or cc, you would want to start at .5cc per week for 2 weeks, then assuming your body had no trouble assimilating that dose, you could bump it up to .5 or 1/2cc twice a week to reach the 200mg per week recommend dosage. Everyone is different in their abilities to acclimate to specific compounds, which is why it’s always important to start slow and “ramp up” to “others recommended dosage “. Once you know more about your body, you’ll know the amount that works for you.
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Will User profile Expert
That`s up to you if you want to inject all in 1 shot or 2. Primo 200 is the long ester, so 1 shot a week would be fine. I`ve always liked higher frequency injections because I felt it keeps blood levels more stable. But that`s just my preference.
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anonymous255 User profile
With this ester you could do two pins at 100mg for the most stable levels or you could do one pin at 200mg. Twice a week would be more optimal but for the injection skittish once a week would be fine.
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Mike Jones User profile Expert
With primo having a 14day half life I would pin 100mg 2x a week giving you a stable 200mg per week. It’s much easier for your body to absorb .5ml at one time than 1ml at a time
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anon5_uk User profile Expert
If you are going to do 200 mg/week, I would do 100 mg (so that`s 1 mL injection) every 3.5 days (so same days of the week).
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BABA User profile
You would do 200 mg/week. If the vial contains 200 mg/cc or ml then you would only use half of an ml or cc per injection and you would do this TWICE per week.
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Quick question,virgin muscle here; I injected my delt yesterday and today it feels sore a bit heavy when I pick up my arm is that completely normal? I injected 250sust
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anonymous255 User profile
That is normal.
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Beard User profile
Absolutely. New muscle is always sore in full it gets used to it
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evan johnson User profile Expert
Yes that is completely normal. I have been injecting for over 5 years and still happens to me granted usually after 3cc injections.
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Gearpeace User profile Expert
It`s going to happen often. Try switching it up from delta to quad to glutes. Use alcohol wipe everytime! Let alcohol dry then inject IM
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anon5_uk User profile Expert
Common. But why are you injecting anything else BUT testosterone enanthate if it`s your first time on gear? Test only, 500 mg/week, max 12 weeks.
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Anabolix250 User profile
That is completely normal. Especially with sust. First time i ever used sust I had a knot and soreness for about a week. Test prop did the same thing to me so id be willing to bet its due to the shorter esters of each. Also had a feverish feeling. The more you inject it you will get used to it over time. I used inuprofen to help and that always seemed to work for me. Hope this helps. Good luck!!!
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Why is primobolan so expensive? What are the benefits of this compound compared to others. I woild like to know due to all the mix reviews everywhere. Thank you for your help.
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evan johnson User profile Expert
It is expensive to make and it is hard to come by. IT helps you retain quality mass while cutting but by no means is a necessity in a stack and i have gotten great results with and without i.
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Lav3ga User profile Expert
Prim is expensive to manufacture as stated above. It is desirable because it is one of the most modified compounds, so the results you get from it, weighed against the sides, are excellent. Primo won`t slam 20lbs of water on you and make your “huge” but it will keep you growing when calories are low and you will look GREAT while running it. The gains you show on cycle (because there not water) are real muscle gains that you keep, if you don`t fuck up your PCT too bad.
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Scott User profile
Primo is pricey to make. Primo will be put on muscle that you’ll keep when you stop running the compound. You’ll feel good on it, and look even better. As stated, primo being pricey to make you also need to run it on the higher end of mgs to reap the full rewards. If you can afford to run it in your stack it’s a good compound if you can justify/afford the cost to ratio needed.
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Will User profile Expert
Primo is a but weaker compound, but that`s what makes it very good. It has little to no side effects. Maintains muscle fullness, promotes strength, and builds muscle. The effective dose is 600mg at least as it`s a weaker compound. The demand also makes it more expensive. Very similar to anavar with it being a mild oral with little sides and is very popular.
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anonymous255 User profile
It’s more expensive to produce and often faked. It will build muscle and strength like anything else. The benefits are that it has very low side effects.
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GainsVille_85 User profile
It is legitimately expensive to produce, but I think part of it is people know Arnold used the shit out of it, which just makes it popular and drives demand for it. Also it’s really versatile and can be incorporated with into almost any cycle.
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Do you guys think this is the best primo 24roids carries?
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Anonymousone User profile
The best Primobolan I have ever used and I’ve order multiple bottles and keep getting the same results amazing ones.
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ROBERT User profile
Geneza has a good Primo that uses an MCT carrier oil. For me it`s less harsh. When im cutting I use it and always works wonders, never having any issues. Different people will like different manufacturers for different reasons.
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nick User profile
This is the best bang for your buck for sure, the best is always going to be the pharma grade by bayer but dragon`s quality is very good and their oils are very potent
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J0539 User profile
I have been purchasing the Bayer, but I`ve heard lots of good things about dragon primo. If it went on sale I`d buy a bunch.
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evan johnson User profile Expert
All the primo on 24roids is of the highest quality UGL Pharma or otherwise. If not it would be sold on 24roids.
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Mike Jones User profile Expert
As far as “best” primo there is here this will be purely anecdotal, this is surely the best bang for your buck but 24roids also carried pharma grade rimobolan in 100mg amps but at almost twice the cost of what you get for this so it’s up to your personal choice of what you want
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IS THERE PIP?
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Tom. User profile
Absolutely no pip once so ever.
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Scott User profile
Have never had any pip with primo. Pin N’ Go.
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Will User profile Expert
All labs I`ve tried Primo from were smooth. No PIP unless hitting a nerve.
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RJB16 User profile
No never had PIP with Primo. ..
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Maison Jardin User profile
I had no pip once so ever with this product very very smooth.
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Gainz User profile
I never had pip from this
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Ever produce of the month???
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Tom. User profile
I don’t think enough people have actually purchased this item in order to be able to vote on it so I would say it would be very rare to see. Very sad I love that stuff best primo I have ever used.
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Socaljuicer User profile Expert
Primo is very costly to manufacture, so it is on sale or special only on rare occasion. I don’t remember ever seeing it featured as “product of the month”, but I could be mistaken.
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Massgains User profile
Ya I have never seen it as product of the week. That would be absolutely amazing tho I would stock up for sure.
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nickname_537 User profile
Primobolan is very expensive. So I`m not sure how often it goes on promotion. But if it does go on sale it is a very good product for cuts while on a very low calorie diet, high protein, and heavy lifting with cardio.
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zachary hall User profile
Never even been there since i started shopping on 24roids. Since it’s a community vote it’s commonly the same 5 or so items on rotation *shrugs*
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Rjb User profile
I have not seen it on special, would be great thou. . .
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Do you think a combination of 200 test cyp and 200 primobolin a week will show results. I am on 200 test for TRT and wanted to add a cutting agent to harden up. Any suggestions?
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Beard User profile
I mean, ur going to eventually see some difference. But if ur looking for results I would up that test to about 500mg a week.
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D-man User profile Expert
The only thing that makes Primo good for cutting is that you can still build muscle even on a calorie deficit. Cutting will still depend on diet. Primo will not magically make you lose fat. It will just keep you from losing muscle while you are cutting.
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Don O User profile Expert
Primobolan is pretty mild stuff and 200mg per week will be disappointing. If you doubled both doses to 400mg per week youd see some nice steady gains with minimal sides.
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GainsVille_85 User profile
You’ll have better luck with Masteron. Less money too. Primo is awesome but it’s more of a finisher or something to add in on top of a stack without adding too many side effects.
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nickname_537 User profile
Primobolan is good on caloric restriction because it will help preserve muscle loss while cutting and some suggest it can somehow also allow some small muscle growth when on a calorie deficit as well (probably mediated via it`s high nitrogen retention ability). Primo also works as an anti estrogen and some claim it in return prevents bloat from the other steroids, in this case testosterone. However with 200mg primo per week you will not see any results or absolute minimal if any. You`ll be wasting money. But if you run primo at about 600mg weekly (some day 400mg min) but if ran at 600mg weekly then results will be rather good. 700mg to 800mg per week is where the magic happens some take 1,000 *or more* mg per week. Primo is very weak so go with a minimum of 500mg per week. But it shines while cutting and makes up for weakness. Some bulk (not advisable) on primo but now we`re looking at a minimum 1,000mg 9r more weekly. Always run test with any cycle.
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ViktorN User profile
You don’t need to add anything imo. You are at therapeutic dose. Bump it up to 400mg a week. Pin every 3 days at 200mg. This double your dose. With proper diet you will lean out. With double dose you will feel twice the pump. Once you gain your mass and/or cut then take what you need to lean out or bulk out. This is when you stack. This will then help you reach that last bit of goal that you wanted. And ONLY after you build the base or foundation. Adding gear on top of test is going to the next level. Be patience. Be discipline. This is the long game my friend! Good luck!
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Hi if I will add testosterone to primo Dose it have to be testosterone enanthate or it can be cypionate?Because primo ester is enanthateThank you
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Gregarious User profile
Also due to the fact that it contains (in injectable form) an enanthate ester, anything under 400mg per week is rather a pointless use of Primo and a waste of money. Generally with AS, more does not always mean better (due to side-effects and other issues), however in the case of Primo more does definitely equal better. If stacking Primo with testosterone, 400-800mg per week will be an effective dose, with obviously the higher doses being the most effectivEither test base would be fine.
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Lav3ga User profile Expert
You can mix esters, just pin them in appropriate frequency. And for all intents and purposes, cyp and enethate are the same anyway.
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GainsVille_85 User profile
Doesn’t matter one bit. Mix and match to your hearts content.
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Don O User profile Expert
You can use either enanthate or cypionate, they are pretty similar so there wont be much difference. Both can be mixed in the same syringe with primobolan without issue so Id recommend you pick up whichever is on sale and get a great deal at the same time.
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Socaljuicer User profile Expert
Cypionate and enanthate are essentially interchangeable, as the ester is almost identical in half life.
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RJB User profile
Cyp and Enth are pretty much the same compound as stated ester are about the same and will give close to same results.
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I going to run Primo/EQ/Tren cycle. Do I need to add a test in there or primo will do?
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barclord User profile
Unless this is your first cycle and it will be very short, you should add testosterone. This cocktail will shut down your natural testosterone production and by the time your EQ really kicks in you will have low T and not get good results.
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ROBERT User profile
I would use either Sust or test Propinate to the mixture. Also, I hope you have a PCT you`ll be using because like stated above, your natural testosterone and libido will take a nose dive. Try either Nolvadex, Proviron or Clomid.
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Muscle Pup User profile
For most cycles, test will be your base and then you stack it with other products. I tell my friends creating a stack is like making a vodka drink (not that you should drink on cycle). The vodka (test) is always in the mix and everything else is just the flavor. So yes, add test to your cycle.
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lord User profile
I would run a small dose of test with it. At least 150 mgs. With eq in the mix I would run it for 16 weeks if you want to benefit from the eq and run the tren for the last 8 weeks.
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SocalJuicer User profile Expert
Essentially every cycle requires a “replacement” dosage of testosterone, as the compounds you mentioned will suppress your natural test production. I would suggest 200mg per week of test cypionate or enanthate, split it up and inject alongside the other compounds, you can even combine in the same injection.
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Anonymous User profile
Run 250mg test e twice a week for the duration of your cycle. Nothing can replace the old testosterone and it has to be included in every cycle no matter what.