Looks like GP Test E is going to be product of the week. Was looking to stack that with this Tren E. For anyone that`s used both, is there a huge difference as far as Tren E and Tren A besides the esters? Looking for more of a cut then a bulk. Or maybe even Test E, EQ, and Tren E for another stack. Never tried EQ but it looks like a solid option. I`ve run Tren A in the past.
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Jogger User profile Expert
I’m now on test 400 and eq 600 with winny 50mg daily, it’s a great clean cycle bro or do test Tren And eq, good luck
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Donald_Pump User profile
No difference in the Tren besides the esters, so you just have to pin Tren A more frequently (every day or every onther day). As for the stack, I highly recommend the test/tren/eq stack. I ran that stack recently and loved it – solid option. Good luck!
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nickname_21 User profile Expert
The only differnce is tren a is fast acting so it kicks in faster so you can run for less time like 6 weeks in stead of 8. I would run the tren a at 350 per week
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JD Cycle User profile Expert
Tren is tren. E or A is simply the ester. Each ester has it`s own half and full life. If you`ve never taken Tren, you may want to try Tren A first to see how you react and get your Tren and Caber dosage dialed in. If you go to high and get sides, Tren A will clear your system quicker and you can lower. Then for your second feel free to run some Tren E when you know what your body handles.
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nickname_311 User profile
Tren e you can inject twice a week. Tren a you need to inject frequently pretty much every single day. It gets old from panting so much but if you start to have side effects from Trent a and stop it is pretty much out of your system was such a short half-life. Whereas Tren e it takes quite a while to get out of your system. You are best off starting with Tren e than you are with a if you have any side effects. You can take Tren e at a very low dose let`s say 200 mg per week and see how you do with that that alone cause dramatic effects if you have never taken it before in your life.
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JamesEarl User profile Expert
Tren with test, plus Equipoise is very solid. Just be sure to have caber for prolactin on tren, but like me some others don`t get prolactin sides, have it on side in case. Better safe than sorry.
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finess User profile
A test, tren, eq cycle has been my favorite cycle Ive ever done. You really dont need much else. Just make sure to run the eq the entire length of the cycle because it takes a long time to achieve the full effect. You will be lean and hard as a rock…enjoy
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Have been buying GP Tren E for years with no problems but all the vials in my last order had super-soft seals, the oil was practically leaking through the rubber which I didn`t know was possible. I was using 20G needles to draw but I noticed the seals were so soft the needle would actually punch plugs of rubber out of it and into the oil. This was on all 3 vials. Is this common and/or safe?
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POOKIE2 User profile
Nick, recommend contacting 24roids to replace your order. You can take pics as evidence and upload to your ticket if they ask for proof. The main safety concern would be can you still keep the product sterile with mini chunks of rubber falling into the oil. If it were me I`d most likely preload syringes (which isnt medically advised btw) and empty out the vial to prevent continuous pieces of rubber swimming in my gear. Probably a safer approach would be throw it all away until you get proper vials. The choice is yours but regardless open a ticket with 24roids and have them send new ones. Good luck….stay swole!
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anonymous_1212 User profile
Hello Nick, I was having a conversation with my pharmacist friend last night and asked him about the Exp. Date of any vial of suspended or diluted product in oil or water. He said he did not know because it really honestly depends on how the vial stopper (rubber seal) is fixated on the vial; as well as the conditions of the made product, the carrier oil and the preservatives. I really suggest you contact 24roids about this and include all pictures that you can with this problem. Essentially the answer to my question was if everything was “OKAY” then only 6 months afterwards but if everything was pharma grade made then it could be a few years after the date. Hope this helps you bro and the product as well. Stay safe, live well and good lift to you. Don`t forget to vote for Q&A and Product of the week!
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nickname_21 User profile Expert
Its not common. But it`s still safe I would let 24roids know so they can address the problem before others get one like that they should be able to help you
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crazy Dan User profile Expert
This happens to me with Dragon Enanth250 around August is last year! I inverted the vial to draw and oil seep out outside the needle and drip. I try this with a couple of bottles and same thing. Submit a ticket they 24roids They were nice enough to replace the DP enanth250 but the warehouse/lab said this never happen before. I had pictures too. So i wrote it off since test is so cheap. So you should mention this when submitting the ticket. Anyway, this happen to me with dragon and not geneza. Good luck on your claim buddy! Do t forget to vote.
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Patriot_1234 User profile Expert
I would hold off on using them until you can find out if 24roids will help your out on that. I`m sure getting some stopper fragments in your syringe is the last thing you want. I`m glad to hear you`re using caution and practicing safety first – best of luck bro.
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.50 caliber User profile
ive had this same thing before with another brand not sold on 24roids. but seeing how its 24roids take some close up pitchures and contact them via ticket and im sure they will resolve the proublem
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Got 2 bottles of this several months ago. One bottle was the super dark yellow like its supposed to be other was about 50 percent lighter compared to go test maybe just a little bit darker. Shoukd I be concerned donyou think 1 bottle is underdosed. Inhave used gp on and off for years never had a problem. Wondering if just maybe they used differnt oils or something. They have differnt lot numbers and dates. Thanks for replys
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Joeskee User profile
No there`s nothing to worry about the reason why one is probably darker is maybe they used slightly different oils but there`s nothing wrong that so don`t worry about u will be fine. If you want try heating them up and see what happens but either way ur g2g happen to me many times and it was g2g.
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S-C-J User profile
UGL`s (underground labs) routinely change carrier oils based on availability, cost, etc. Its really has no impact on quality or potency, you are good! Remember to vote everyone!!!
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Traianos123 User profile
The difference in colour is becuse they are from different batches, they dont use every time same carrier oil, your tren is perfect, enjoy!
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can you get great results at 200mg a week fot 6 weeks? starting it after a month / half of my test cycle and finish it with test/tren last 6 weeks?
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JMann User profile
You could but Tren E is a longer ester, so it will take two to three weeks to start woking. If you can push the cycle out to 8-10 weeks and the tren will have time to work, and you will see great results if you put the work in. You can stay around 200-300mg with tren E. Twice a week injections is fine.
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jbolics User profile
Hey, 200mg a week is a great dose Tren E is my favorite I run it for 10-12 weeks kicking it up a 100mg every 4 weeks with Test E at 500mg and get great gains. It takes a few weeks to fully get in your system so 6 weeks would be cutting your body shy of what the oil is capable of with consistency. Probably consider Tren Ace it`s fast you`ll feel it faster but I personally don`t like it because the sides hit alot harder for me. I would also have cabergoline ready on hand if you feel any kind of symptoms of prolactin build up take .5mg twice weekly until symptoms are gone.
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EQhead User profile Expert
Yes, although 300mg/week would be ideal. If possible extend cycle another 2 weeks to give 8 weeks on Tren E. Have cabergoline on hand, 0.25mg 2 – 3 times per week as needed.
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nickname_88 User profile
If you`re new to tren, at 200mgs a week, well yes you can… Although I would definitely extend the cycle longer because of the Enanthate ester.. it will take time to build up in your system and 6 weeks would be cutting it way too short for the benefits.. Even so, I would even up it to 300 for better.. that is a mild dose.. but as I said, if you`re new and want to just take baby steps, then stick with 200mgs a week but I`m sure you`ll be better with 300.. this low a dose you most likely will not run into sides but it is always good to have caber on hand.. I actually run Vitamin B6 instead of caber at 500mgs a day every morning.. it helps keep prolactin levels in check and is cheaper than caber but with that said, I do have caber on hand so don`t just skip out getting caber even though it works.. some might need something stronger..
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Will User profile Expert
Tren at 200mg can be very effective if you`ve never used it in the past. It`s always a good idea to start at a lower dose to see how your body reacts. I however would run it much longer than 6 weeks. Double that. If you are using a long ester tren, you will only feel it for 3 weeks, if that. If you only have 6 weeks left of your cycle, hold off and run it for your whole cycle later on.
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Pookie User profile
200 a week is pretty low dose unless you are talking try. Also 6 weeks is too short for a cycle….need about 12 weeks to have an effective cycle
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what dose would you suggest running tren to build som lean muscle and limit sides?
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FatDadstack User profile
With tren E for myself 400ml week pin twice a week. Great results but got over that and then life gets a little more complicated
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Juice World User profile
id suggest running it at 200mg. 400mg comes with a world of sides and not a good place to start!
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Simpleton User profile
tren has its own unique sides some wonderful some uncomfortable, and some dangerous. Id recommend starting with tren ace and doing about 150mg a week, and adjust your dose based off of that.
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jenna User profile
as suggested above, tren comes with unique sides and some people do not respond well, but the results of tren are nothing short of amazing. make sure you have a great foudnation before introducing it, and start low to stay healthy and prevent injury.
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Hey guys I`m currently running all GP products. I`m running mast 100 at 300mg a wk, tren ace 100 at 180mg a wk and sust 270 at 500mg a wk. Results have been good, haven`t been taking a cabaser for tren during this cycle. Do you recommend using a cabaser when using tren? Also I have POTW GP tren e 200 on the way, test c 250, clen, bpc 157 and I also have hcg and clomid on deck for pct. Give me some dosages to run, maybe some new products to add into this upcoming cycle or any recommendations. I`m in the CrossFit gym 3-5 times week and the regular gym 2 a week. I`m 5`10 and 205lbs. Also I have ran plenty of cycles, back in the day it was high test low tren, now it`s low test high tren. Tren is cool, only sides I`ve experienced is a very little sweat at night time.
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Barry Gibson User profile
wait, if you have no symptoms then do not use caber. Not everyone gets sides. You`re fairly experienced. I`d run 700mg tren ace weekly by the way. B2 works like caber in case at 500mg but if u need it I`d really do b2 instead. B2 is cheap if you look around.
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Cyclone User profile Expert
At 180mg tren per week, you likely won`t need caber, and certainly don`t take it if you are not having sides
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Smith User profile Expert
You don`t have to use caber if on tren unless you are sensitive to prolactin build up but if you are not don`t buy caber.
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pats User profile
User caber when needed as it carries its own sides bro, good luck
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Pookie User profile
Doubt you`ll need caber at 180 mgs of tren a a week. Keep on hand just in case. Looks like you`re a tren fan so just do another cycle of that with your test c next cycle.
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Big Dogg User profile
That`s a pretty low dose of tren. I wouldn`t run less than 350/week myself (not much more than that either). Even at the low dose it is toxic but you`ll get less effect. You probably wont need caber at that dose. I wouldn`t run tren past 12 weeks, even at that low dose.
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Can I start my cycle of 200 tren e, 200 test e a week with 30 mg Dbol split 3 time ed? I was thinking of running Dbol 4 weeks until tren starts to kick in? I also run caber and aromasin. Thanks
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Dromeo User profile
Yes. The only thing I would do differently is the dosing for the Dbol. I`d run that at at least 50mg. 100mg for me is preferable.
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Joeskee User profile
I would run test higher then the tren. And I wouldn`t start a cycle with tren just add the tren later after finishing the dbol
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Taylor User profile
Yes that is perfect especially with the caber and Aromasin. As for the Dbol like mentioned I would split the doses up by taking 30mg in the am and another 30mg before your dinner or night gym sesh
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John User profile
Why run test so low? Run the dbol at 30 mg but ideally up the test to 400-500 if you want good gains.
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Barry Gibson User profile
Some say low test high tren others say high test lower tren so I think it comes to personal preference, however I personally never needed caber or aromasin on high tren like 700mg tren ace weekly so you may wanna make sure you need the ancillary drugs. Use if needed otherwise don`t. D bol is ok. I never ran over 50mg d bol some say 100mg.
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evan johnson User profile Expert
Yes you can do that although it is probably unnecessary to split up the dbol like that. Sort of low on the dosing and you may not need aromasin nor caber.
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Has anybody ever had any issues with constipation or kidney problems while on cycle? Taking Test E 500 mg, Tren E 400 mg, Masteron 400mg per week. Taking Aromasin on cycle for gyno issues. Any advice is appreciated. Not my first cycle with this set up so I`m not sure why I`m having issues or if they stem from this.
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Swoll,onthe,low User profile
I just had a complete instestinal blockage and felt like my appendix burst it was insane pain from way too much protein and not enough fiber ECT mixed in my diet,I don`t think the gear causes it as much as the diet not being right when consuming all the sups we do
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Taylor User profile
Makes sure you stay very hydrated, stay away from salt, take milk thistle and take a stool softener daily. It should help your problems.
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nickname_88 User profile
Well your liver and kidneys are our main filters everything passed thru which is why I hope you`re taking in enough fluids throughout the day while on aas especially.. but constipation while on cycle has never been an issue nor have I heard of it stemming from aas.. i wrote in a thread earlier that I 2 years ago have started doing at home enemas and not because of constipation but more for the cleaning out and helping get rid of built up waste we all have inside out intestines and colon and since I`ve been doing this around 3 times a month I have never felt better.. something you might want to look into.. it is easy and you can YouTube it and everything available online or at local pharmacy you would need… but take in extra fluids for your kidneys sake and it helps with everything..
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pat User profile
no man go to a doctoe just in case and be honest, also take plenty of water and fiber
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Dr Scott User profile Expert
Often times its not the gear but the lifestyle as swol said. The high protein diet, constant muscle breakdown, nitrogenous waste and addition of creatine can place a tremendous strain on your kidneys. whatever you are drinking it is prob not enough, increase your water intake also a supplement called chitosan will help bring your serum Creatine down. good luck
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Johnny Longsockz User profile
Never had any of those effects happen to me in the slightest. Check your diet and if it doesn`t change then go see a doctor and see what`s really going on.
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When will test prop and tren 200 be back available for purchase? It all just says coming soon.
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Dromeo User profile
We`re all in the same boat brother. Open a ticket with 24roids and they can possibly give a time frame.
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JD Cycle User profile Expert
You`ll want to open a ticket with 24roids I have a back order from dragon that was delayed when this all happened and it estimates shipping next week. GP and Dragon are some of their biggest orders, so they are likely working as fast as they can. There are significant shipping issues with corona virus and they just resumed post chinese new year as well. Kind of a perfect storm of events. These shipping issues are not just to us, but also effects many of the UGLs that order their raw powders from China and the region.
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Drew User profile
The only way to find out an answer for your question is to open a ticket with 24roids and ask them.
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Cyclone User profile Expert
Nobody can really tell, there are delays across the board with no end in sight. There is speculation that things will start shipping on the 15th, but nobody is sure.
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Prop User profile
Could be a week, or a month. Only time will tell
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Porcelli User profile
Nobody can know the answer to that. It states that deliveries have been pushed back. First was The Chinese New Year but China has bigger problems going on. Order some Erupean brand and you should have no problem
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When will I be able to order trenbolone 200 and test prop. It all just says coming soon. When will they be available for purchase?
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Philip Casing User profile
Nobody knows for now. Maye be a week and may be 3 weeks. Your best bet is to order from some other most reputable brands on 24roids. They are all good to go. Aaster would be great choice as they have super quality products and shipping is the fastest of them all brands. Alpha should be good too, You choice, my friend.
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Papi1266 User profile
Alot of stock is out with different brands that`s what coming soon means, no one knows when they will be available
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JD Cycle User profile Expert
This is a forum for other customers, we can o ly guess. I would assumed 1-2 weeks though. If you want something more official, open a ticket with 24roidss and they usually respond within 48-72 hours.
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Dromeo User profile
We`re all in the same boat brother. Open a ticket with 24roids and they can possibly have a better time frame for you.
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Cyclone User profile Expert
It`s difficult to say at this point, the latest theory is that raw ingredients from china are being delayed as the result of the coronavirus.
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John User profile
No way to know for sure. I`m sure Nais probably dies t know either bc if the delays through China. You can order some Aster and have it pretty quick
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I see that it maybe confusing.I`ve used Tren plenty in the past and I love Only probably is thinning hair no I don`t MPB in the familyI`ve also run the Advanced Lean Bulking stack from AsterThe BEST ever it was tough on the hair and labs were elevated but all came relatively quicklyI`m thinking off running again but it`s only been about 6 months off that Cycle I think I should give my body a break from that heavy cycle I planned cutting the dosage in 1/2 for thisMeaning Tren 100mgs eodTest 250 2x weekMaybe some Winnie 40mgs at around week 6 ?Does anyone think I can go with the Winnie all Cycle? I appreciate any & all commentsYou guys have been fantastic
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Papi1266 User profile
Winnie is usually good to run for anywhere from 4 to 6 weeks at a time, that would be my recommendation to put it in depending on how long your cycle is. Good luck
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Winny User profile
6 months is plenty of time to give your body a break between cycles. Especially after such a relatively moderately short cycle. You are ok running winny at 40mg 4-6 weeks. Keep it mind if taken orally it is liver toxic and will elevate liver functions and cause toxicity to a vital organ. although mild, still not great. Keep in mind winny is almost purely aesthetic, to give you a dry look at the end of a cycle or show. It drAws water out of the muscle and joints. Training long periods with winny puts you at risk for joint, muscle and ligament damage. Imagine pulling the water out of your joints and grinding away, with dry dusty connective tissue. Stick to 4 weeks at 40-75mg
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nickname_464 User profile
I think you`ve given your body proper time to rest and are ready for your next cycle. Thst being said, running winny for a while cycle could be kinda hard on the liver. I imagine if you take liver support and live a healthy life style, no alcohol etc. you will probably be fine. The only way to really tell I`d have some labs done at week 6 and or if your feeling sluggish and notice any yellowing of finger nails or whites of eyes obviously stop immediately. Best of luck mate.
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skitt User profile
I agree with whinny here, 6 months is plenty of time off.. I would assume your numbers should all be back to normal and just fine.. If your not sure just get a quick blood work done up and see where everything is at so you have peace of mind. Sounds like a decent cycle 400 mg tren a week and 500 mg test a week.. If you handled it no problem and think you will be fine go for it but at the same time if you are worried about thinning your hair out, maybe drop the tren down 100 mg but thats up to you as Im sure the tren would be the main factor here causing it.. just an idea not sure what you normally run for a Tren dose soo. Now the whinny you can run it for 6 to 8 weeks towards the end or whenever you decide to throw it in. I started at 30 mg and after 2 weeks put it up to 40 mg a week and ran it for full 6 weeks with hardly any issues my ligaments did start getting a little sore at the end but for most part I love what whinny did for me.. Probably run it at 50 mg a day next time and see what happens.. Yes as stated by others it is liver toxic and the higher the dose the more toxic it can be BUT and Im not saying to due this but if ran at a smaller dose I personally believe you could run it a bit longer such as 10 weeks but Im talking about roughly no more then 20 mg a day or less as long as you are taking liver protectent the whole time but I don`t know how effective that would be.. sure you could still see some good results but again if you choose to do something like that with whinny I would keep an eye out for sides such as Whinny stated and go with how your body is feeling.. good luck
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Drew User profile
Your doses look fine but if your going to take the winnie the entire cycle absolutely make sure your take. Liver protection.
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Taylor User profile
You meed to take liver protection if you`re going to take winni the entire cycle. I wouldnt suggest this but rather than waiting until the last few weeks of your cycle.
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What`s up fellas?I`m thinking:Test Enanthanate 250 eodTren Enanthanate 250 100mgs eodMasteron 200 100mgs eodIm cutting all doses in 1/2 because my hair tends to thin on trenAny thoughts on that cycle please do not hesitate. if you have a cycle that you guys like please do not hesitate to chime in. Once again you guys have been a tremendous help
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TLT User profile
… are you sure you will be pinning EOD? or 2x per week for 500mg? If EOD that would be pretty aggressive but not sure what your cycle history has been. For TEST alone you would probably look at 500mg / week or 250mg every 3-4 days.
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Pookie User profile
Drop the Masteron….its a drop in the bucket and your gains will the same without it. Take finastiride 1 mg a day. Dr reddys 5 mg is $18 for 30 pills….120 doses if cut in fourths to control hair loss
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Hair User profile
That`s a great stack and my favorite in prep. 500mg year prop, 400mg of mast and 30mg of tren. Mast is a dht derived compound and you will definitely experience hair loss. You can take 2.5-5mg of pros at a day to prevent dht bonding to your scalp. Tren is highly androgen ico and you will experience shedding and rear scalp thinning of prone to mpb.
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RJB16 User profile
Like the stack but as stated you will be prone to thinning hair….
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S-C-J User profile
So hold on, your proposing weekly 875mg test (250 every other day), 350mg tren, and 350mg mast? Fine, but thats like a gram and a half of gear. I haven`t got a ton of tren experience, but I have seen many running the test at high TRT dosages (like 250mg per weeK), then letting the tren do the heavy lifting (pun intended) on the cycle. The mast is fine / doesnt hurt, but wont provide much benefit, and certainly won`t help with your hair loss issue. Just my 2 cents, do what your will!
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Swoll,onthe,low User profile
Go for micro dosing instead of 2times a week do EOD at owner dose but still being the same total at week`s end ,this is said to help sides also table blood levels
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Ideas on best spot to inject this stuff. I`ve always injected in the quad alternating legs with each injection but tonight I injected and when I pulled out blood squirted 3 feet out of my leg and onto the bathroom floor. What`s a different injection alternative?
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Juice24roids User profile Expert
Hey Miguel, 100% I recommend to inject IM into the ventro glutes. There are youtube videos showing how to do this safely and effectively. If you search for “how to inject IM into glutes” you should find something. I never inject quads because I`ve heard too many horror stories. That sounds awful about your leg. Go for ventro glutes (upper outer quadrant of either side) and make sure to aspirate the needle and you should never have that happen again. Thanks for the question
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John Porco User profile
I prefer flute injections. Use 1.5 inch needle so you can get deep enough into the muscle. Flex your flute and watch in the mirror for the muscle should be the top front quarter of the glute. It`s efficient and mostly PIP free
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Roid_Head User profile Expert
Thats not good, you hit a blood vessel it could be dangerous. Try delts, they are easy to reach. For now avoid the quads until you get the hang of it.
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Papi1266 User profile
I recommend the delts, I always pin there never any issues. Possibly quads after you get use to it.
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Nathan Co User profile
Use a 27g 1/2″ insulin needle and inject in you delts. Trust me on this.
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Jx10r User profile
I`ve always done my quad without issue, usually I use the side as I get no pip there at all, I`ve gotten a few drops and that`s it. But you can use the glutes or delt if you wanted. Make sure your using a good size needle, I use a 1″ but you may want to use a 1.5″ needle to get deep into the muscle. Be safe man
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I have been bodybuilding for over 35 years. I have been on/off gear for approximately 15 years. for the last 10 years I have been on TRT taking Test Cyp 100mgs-200mgs weekly. I have never used Tren Enanthate but purchased on a deal from 24roids. I`m 5`9″ 242lbs. at approximately 15%. Still have great cuts and abs, little striations. I`m not competing anymore so I don`t care to get down to 5%. I like to get a little bigger a little leaner. Question: How does a 10 week Tren Enanthate 200mgs a week with 200mgs of Test Cyp a week sound? Should I use any A.I.s with this cycle? Cabaser maybe? Should I take when I start to feel symptoms or add into the cycle and when.
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Taylor User profile
I would use Arimidex for an AI, as well as Cabergoline. Maybe bump the Test a little higher and I think you`re good to go.
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Juice24roids User profile Expert
Hey G, you will see great results from running tren E at 200mg/week. Your abs will come in for sure. Caber is definitely safe to have on hand and blood work will tell you if prolactin is high. I always need caber at about .25mg every three days for a week or two. I would advise against tren if you have anything negative going on mentally. It`s so messed up how subtle it is but can make a huge psychological impact. That`s why I stop running it the second I start to get negative thoughts out of the ordinary. Thanks for the question
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Drew User profile
I would take an ia arimidex at .5mgs eod and take Cabergoline at .5 mg twice a week and you will be goog.
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1934Ford User profile
As big as you are, I would go with 300 tren per week as a starting point and keep the test at 200. If you aren`t getting the results you like from 300 tren you can bump it up a tad. I just don`t think you will get much from 200 per week based on your size.
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Papi1266 User profile
I would take Arimidex .05 eod as well, always good to get your blood work checked since you been using so long, unfortunately these things take a toll on our bodies after awhile
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.50 caliber User profile
thats a good starting point for tren split it into 2 pins weekly if you never needed. an ai before with 200. mgs of test you shouldnt need it now besause tren does not aromatize. as far as caber have but you may not need it
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Was going to run test/tren/mast stack ran 300 of each last cycle was thinking to do low test of 100mg a week with 300 tren and 600 mast any thoughts on what is better to get the most cut up low or higher test, was also going to do superdrol for first 4 weeks of a 12 week cycle
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JB205 User profile Expert
I would go a little higher like 200mg at least on test and I wouldn`t bother with any oral for this cycle. I know aster pharma has some premixed gear like ripped 300 or something that is similar to this. I`ve used cut mix and long cut from DP with excellent results that have similar mix also.
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Big Dogg User profile
Everyone will give you a different answer but I always run test higher than tren (or nandrolone) to avoid low libido. If you use bromocriptine EOD that should eliminate that though. Tren also has a stronger affinity for AR than test and will “block” it to some extent. I would go 400/300/600. You will definitely need at least 200 test. Anything less and your not even gonna replace your natural production. I wouldn`t run sdrol with tren. 2 super powerful compounds both with a lot of sides. I would use short esters and run tbol at the end. With short esters you wont need a “kickstart”. You really wont need an oral at all with that stack imo.
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Gman User profile Expert
I would run the test higher at 200mg week. 300 tren 400 mast. Maybe even some winstrol on the back end this is a good cutting stack with some good cardio and calorie deficit should see great results
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nickname_464 User profile
You`ll want to run more test, especially if you ran 300mg of test a week last time. You`ll probably need to run at least that to get the same results you did before. This is one reason you`ll see people always recommend keeping doses low to start because otherwise you`ll be upping them each time. Best of luck mate.
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Mike Jones User profile Expert
I think this will be a good stack if you are experienced using tren, 300mg for all 3 is a good dose you don`t need to go crazy with tren, even a little bit goes a long way, I usually keep my tren to 200-300mg a week max and will only raise my mast I keep test at around 300 and as far as the superdrol I would just run it low dose
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Something I recently started doing on my Tren E cycle that I have never done before on any past cycle, has got me wondering what others thoughts are on this particular practice….. There are many days I wake up pretty early for work and I always pin before my morning workout, before work of course.. Sun, Tues, Thursday mornings.. 2 weeks ago instead pinning Sunday morning I pinned Sunday night, slept n woke up early Monday morning and hit a great workout before work.. I usually throw in an evening one as well but I continued to pin at night before bed these last 2 weeks.. Now I know, pinning in the a.m. and starting your day will put in the bloodstream faster but…. maybe it was all in my head idk but I have been feeling greater pumps than before in these a.m. workouts from when I was pinning right in the morning before a workout.. I pin, fall asleep like nothing, and wake up and go.. I am running Enanthate yes and do not think I would ever do this in the future on another Tren Ace cycle given the fast release time but the E, idk just feel like it`s worth the night pin and then hit it hard when I wake.. Veteran Tren user, I was just curious on others thoughts on times you all like to pin and hope my book of an explanation made sense.. Happy Holidays to you all!!!
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novadesert007 User profile
I personally like morning pinning as well. I am currently running TEST TREN MAST and it gives me this crazy good feeling; it could be just my head but the power inside after pinning is real for me. I only run 350 TEST, 300 Tren, 300 MAST. I did pinning at night but I feel hot and body temp raising up make it harder to fall asleep. Especial when I`m hot I get short temper. So I stick with morning Pin and feel great.
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Lorddrip User profile
I pin early as well and I understand what you mean 100 percent the pump is awesome without a doubt I work in the am as well sometinea those peak hours for your body around 11 12 sometimes to but yeah the more early the better I agree good luck keep pumping bruther
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Gma User profile Expert
It makes sense it take s several hours to be flowing in the blood stream. So pinning at night before by the time you gut the gym shouod be more abundant in the blood stream
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JD Cycle User profile Expert
I pinned a blend last time and felt the same. I started with morning pins and ended up switching to night pins as I just felt better. I assumed it helped distribute the test through my body maybe? Either that or the rish helped my body recover and get better rest, which led to a better morning workout maybe?
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I just received my latest order from 24roids. I got 1 bottle of tren e 200 and 3 test e 250. I`ve been on test and deca for a few cycles running 2 cc test and 1cc deca pinning every 5 days. Sides have been low on my latest cycle. I was going to start at .75cc tren and 2cc test every 5 days. I feel it`s more stable 5 days vs 7 days. Would this be a good dose first first tren cycle? Any other information is appreciated.
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Cool MoD User profile
It`s a good amount if Tren for your first go around with it. Less is more when it comes to Tren. However I would suggest maybe pinning every 3.5 days to keep blood levels stable. Also use HCG to keep the boys working regularly and full. You`ll be happy you did during your PCT
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Smith441 User profile Expert
That would put you at 210mg a week of tren e which is very manageable and first time user shouldn`t have any problem at that dose. I suggest you pin both test and tren twice a week for more stable blood levels
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Dromeo User profile
Couple of things. I`m assuming you`re done with your deca cycle. I wouldn`t stack deca with tren. That being said. Are you running tren ace or tren enanthate? Tren ace you should pop EOD totaling 400mg a week. Tren Enanthate you can pop 200mg twice a week and be stable. Being that it`s your first cycle I`d run the tren ace. In and out of your system. This is good if you don`t like the side effects. The tren e stays in your system much longer. As far as the test, what kind are you running? Propionate you`ll pop EOD, CYP twice a week and Enanthate you can get away with once a week but can pop twice a week. I`d run 500mg on the test. Hope thy helps.
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JB205 User profile Expert
That should be fine for tren the first time you run it. You can always bump it up as you go. Just be prepared for possible night sweats with tren. I ran tren in cut mix 150 at 50mg 3 times a week and it was fine.
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Swoll,onthe,low User profile
If it works for you then run it who cares what other people say to take try whats been working and if your good then stay with it
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Big Dogg User profile
That`s 210mg/week. That`s a low dose but probably good to run your first time. I would inject every 3 or 4 days with enanthate though. If E5D is working for you without any down days or sides stick with it.
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Has anyone had an issue with expiration dates on gear? I ordered 10 Bottles of Geneza Trenbolone Enanthate 200 because of the sale and when it came in the expiration date was 11/20. There is now way possible to use 10 bottles of this product safely in 11 months. Any suggestions? I sent a ticket and was told by a rep that all 24roids Gear comes in with at least 6 months to three years expiration date. I wish this was disclosed somewhere because I wouldn`t have spent all that much money trying to stock up for a couple of years.
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Lord User profile
if you kept it in a controlled environment with the top sealed I think you might be ok in my opinion. If I spent that kind of money on 10 bottles I would still try it out.
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Dr Scott User profile Expert
Wow, that sucks. There are formulas for degredation and chemical stability of the different testosterone esthers but that will only help you moving forward, who knows what kind of temperature extremes occured durning shipping and previosly on the shelf. the good news is that typically drugs retain potency for years after the expiration date, but still I agree that sucks and is a bit shady IMO. Most US pharmacies will notify the patient if less than 1 year exp and give them the option, but us guess were not in a US pharmacy
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Johnny Longsockz User profile
Expired gear doesn`t really do anything but lose potency in my experience with it. I wouldn`t really be worried about it to much in my opinion.
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JD Cycle User profile Expert
I know they have exp dates, but I`ve known many to use past that date with no loss in potency. Blast away and maybe cruise as well? I`ve spoke with my brother before about possibly splitting before, maybe you have a trusted bro?
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patsalos mixalis User profile
second time hearing this makes me worry a bit. keep them in cool dry place and they should be ok, stay safe bro
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RJB16 User profile
I agree with DR. Scott. I have heard thou of guys using gear over 2 years expired and getting good results, it does suck getting 10 with that date. I would maybe open a ticket with 24roids and see if you can get new gear…
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I guess I wasn`t clear on my questions. I am not new to using gear. I been using it for 3 years. I`m trying to up my game a little bit. So my question is: is using a vial shot better then oral? How long does one bottle last and how often do you take it? I asked a recent question and did not get the answers that I needed. I don`t want a speech just my questions answered. Thank you!
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patsalos mixalis User profile
twice per week to keep stable blood levels. 1 cc is 200ml tren so if you shoot 0.5cc 2 times weekly that will last 10 weeks, stay safe
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Skuchie User profile
In simple terms, yes an injectable is always better than an oral. It avoids the “first pass ” damage to the liver and doesn`t need to be metabolized. With that said, Tren Enanthate is a long acting ester and can be injected once per week. The length of time vial will last depends on the Mg. dose you choose to use. If you choose 100mg per week or 1/2cc, then this will last 20ish weeks. Hope it helped and I reserved an opinion on if you should actually run this compound.
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nickname_21 User profile Expert
Vial is much better you can pin it 2wice a week even 200mg per week stacked with test is good up to 350 per week dont mess with oral
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RJB16 User profile
Ye spinning is much better and if done 2 times a week at 1 cc per. It will last you 5 weeks
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Gearpeace User profile Expert
Pardon me. Just had a cup of java and now see “female”. Injectables are better yes, combo of injection and oral even better. Inject trenE 2x week. Tren Ace would be better to start out because of possible sides with tren. The acetate ester leaves body quicker than enanthate which is good if sides are intolerable. Now injection of tren ace is eod. Tren e bottle 10ml will last 5 weeks at 1ml 2x week. Tren ace bottle 10ml will last about 2.5 weeks. Read product descriptions to get even more info. Cheers
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Mean Jean User profile
That question is not that easy to answer, it all depends on the dose you`re using and what type or gear you are using??? Not to be a jerk but if you been taking gear for 3 years now you should have a idea what would yield you more… Do the math!!!! The reason you got a long speech is because you should know what you`re doing after 3 years.
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This will be my first time shooting up. I heard taking the shot is better then oral. How often should I take the shot? And how many shots do you get out of one vial?
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JD Cycle User profile Expert
How many shots you get all depends on the dosage. Since you`re female, it will be much lower than men`s. That said, sounds like you`re relatively new and Tren is like jumping in the deep end with ankle weights before you know how to swim. But yes, shot is better than the oral. 200 mgs is per 1ml and the vial is 10ml total. Be very VERY careful with Tren if you`re new. May want to stick to anavar.
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Gearpeace User profile Expert
Injecting or pinning is preferred terminology. Shooting up is what addicts do. Tren is not first time user gear. Start with Test E or C 250mg/ week. IM injection last longer than orals. You can add an oral after you get a couple cycles under your belt. Do some research. Good luck man
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patsalos mixalis User profile
twice per week to keep stable blood levels. 1 cc is 200ml tren so if you shoot 0.5cc 2 times weekly that will last 10 weeks, stay safe
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RJB16 User profile
I agree do 2 times a week at 1 cc and you will be good.
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Skuchie User profile
Pick another substance to start your injections. Like testosterone Enanthate or Cypionate. Tren is not a drug for women, as masculizing side effects are almost guaranteed. Good luck
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nickname_464 User profile
Yes be careful, tren will have many side effects that may be undesirable. 1ml is 200mg, so probably not more then 1/2ml at a time and not more then twice a week. Best of luck.
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I ordered this 2 separate times for an upcoming cycle and the bottles are differnt in color one the regular dark yellow and the other is about half as dark both are not expired but differnt batches just curious if anyone ever noticed this before is it normal is one more potent then the other probably worried over nothing but they are distinctly differ colors but still darker then the test I have
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bigtime User profile
This happened to me with a Dragon product. Results were the same. I can’t speak to the reason, hope someone else here can, Imma follow
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Test Case User profile
this is normal..
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Trenbologna sandwich User profile
They are both g2g they probably used a slightly different carrier oil but the anabolic agentcshould be VERY close to same concentration in both. Geneza is a very reputable manufacturer and maps is a really reputable distributor I wouldn’t worry about the color too much it’s all good here
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nickname_464 User profile
I wouldn`t worry I`m sure it`s just a different batch. One reason I like GP is you can verify all your gear in their website. Best of luck mate.
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BMW User profile
This is quite normal. There are so many different carrier oils used to make this stuff but all are safe. Just makes the colors vary some. I`ve had from almost clear to pretty yellow color and had blood results come in great from them all.
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N88 User profile
As long as your tren isnt clear you are good to go. Dif batches sometimes have different tints. Every bottle i have looks slightly different from other brands or lots
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There was a time when Geneza was considered one of, if not the best brands on the market. some believed that the raws came from Europe and were superior to other brands who used Chinese raws. Is Geneza still the kick ass brand it used to be?
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Will User profile Expert
Still one of the top brands, that`s correct. I order primarily from them and Dragon and I see quality results in the product I`m getting.
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K.D.T User profile
I prefer sis or aster but geneza is still quality gear I just wouldn`t call it superior but is one of the better brands alpha dragon para all are just as good
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BABA User profile
It still is. In my opinion, geneza and dragon pharma are the go-to brands on this site. I`ve never had a problem with any of their products.
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EDubz User profile
I would say it`s one of the best, theres other brands probably just as good, but I usually order from geneza
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Matthew User profile
I Started with GP and then Dragon due to its prices and product of the week. I still use GP but noticed a slight potency issue. I can`t for sure point this out because I stack. Since you brought it up I would say “maybe” strength but it does it job. There`s no way you can tell unless you lab tech with uHPLC. That said I would still but GP.
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anonymous255 User profile
Yes Geneza is still high quaility gear. I trust Geneza and Dragon pharma more than most.
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wondering if anyone can shed light on how much more stronger this tren e 200 is compared to the andromix with a hypothetical 2cc/wk, I know it`s a pretty low dose of tren A in the andromix. just wasn`t sure how much more of a difference in strength, results, sides etc.
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BABA User profile
Tren is tren is tren. Although most people would recommend the acetate version as not only does it hurt harder and faster but you get more out of each ml (something like 10-20% more). Stick to what`s tried and true. Plus, if it`s your first time doing tren, then you DEFINITELY want to start with acetate. The reason being that if you can`t handle the sides, it`ll clear out of your system much quicker than the enanthate version.
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NPCLIFE User profile
I am not a fan of pre mixed gear. I agree the tren A is low. I rather mix my own cycle so I can control the dose. But anyway to answer your question tren E has to be dosed higher then tren A to achieve the same results. Tren A is fast in and out and short cycles with major sides. Tren E is slow acting and can cycle longer with less sides. Both are equally good just gave to play with your dose and see what works for you. I like Tren A while in prep. And tren E off season. Good luck bro. Be safe
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nickname_21 User profile Expert
Well if you use 200 mg per week of tren e ots the same as using 200mg of tren a. Theoretically. Tren a is light therefore the concentration might be a bit more but nothing noticable. Now with the andromix you would be using 200mg of each compound so yes that would be better I would do 1cc per day thays 50mg ot tren mast and test per day that would put you at 350mg of each per week very strong cycle or you can do 1cc Monday tuesday thursday friday if you only want to do 200mg of each
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Juice24roids User profile Expert
Andromix is 50mg/mL and this one is 200mg/mL but I bet you knew that. That`s 4 times stronger. If you dose both the same (200mL/week of tren E vs 200mL/week of Andromix) the tren E will give dramatically stronger results; however, don`t take tren E on its own or at all if you have questions and concerns.
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Joe ricci User profile
Tren is tren bro. But personally i would purchase eqch compound separately. Just to ensure you are getting an accurate dose of each. Unless its the same compound different esters i try to stay away from pre stack bottles.
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anonymous255 User profile
Tren e is not stronger. Tren is tren. Acetate is a bit stronger because the ester is smaller so there is more active tren in 200mg acetate than there is in 200mg enanthate. You really won’t notice much different. The enanthate takes a little longer to build up in your system but I prefer it because I can inject less.
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I`ve been running a deca cycle for about 4 weeks now I`m thinking about introducing tren enanthate into the cycle. Thoughts?
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Swoleville User profile
You haven`t ran the decca long enough to switch compounds yet. Run decca for at least 10 weeks
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nickname_657 User profile Expert
Deca takes 4-5 weeks just to kick in. I suggest you stick with deca for the entire cycle, if you switch to ten you have to give that a the weeks to kick in.
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Swoll,onthe,low User profile
History pending.do you bro.no one can say what this stuff does to you.one may say it gives them sides another doesn`t get sides.some run 1000mgs another 300mgs..go by your feeling of your body.be your own person and find out .start low and raise doses as needed.
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mchilds User profile
I would personally never mix the two. I would wait on the tren for my next cycle. But that`s me. I know people who do it all the time but the recovery would take months so would never put my body through that. If you do make sure to run test only for a few months after the deca/tren ends.
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Will User profile Expert
I recommend running Tren and Deca separately to prevent prolactin issues. If you opt to run it, make sure you have Caber on hand to run.
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SamIAm User profile
running mulitple 19nor compounds (tren and deca) at the same time is a no-no, and just asking for prolactin issues. Have you run Tren before?
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Whats up everyone. What is a good effective dose for tren E? I took tren many years ago maybe when I was like 27 now im 40 and I forgot what was my does back then. All i know is that it made me feel GREAT at the gym, sexually, mentally and fiscally. Thank you in advanced.
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leo fenfen User profile
I would start with a low dose.Anything more than 300mg per week and I can say good bye to sleep and welcome to ED.However every person is different!Start low and go up if you don’t have sides.
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Skuchie User profile
225mg per week is sufficient. That’s 75mg on M/W/F, because you really don’t want more than 75mg per injection. At least according to the hundreds of papers I’ve read. However Personally, I choose DP TriTren 150, and I do 1/2cc (75mg) MWF. I use this blend because it’s comprised of both long and short esters and does not build up in your system because it clears faster. I have also tried the DP Tren Enanthate 200 your speaking about and at that same dosage of 75mg MWF , I did not get nearly as good of results. Another reason I don’t like that ester is because it stays in your system so long, that if u have a side effect, your going to have it for at least 10 days
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Will User profile Expert
Since you`ve been off tren for 13 years now, it`s smarter to start at a beginner`s low dose and build up over future cycles. Start at just 200mg for your first cycle. Next cycle 400mg. Next cycle 600mg and etc. No reason to start at a mild or high dose if your body hasn`t had it in a decade. Low doses will be effective and allow you to make progress over time.
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nickname_568 User profile
I l used Geneza Tren E… It`s an advanced choice.. Make sure you`re ready. Read up in side effects. Results are amazing.
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Dr Scott User profile Expert
All very good advice above. Tren gets demonized but i have had very good experience with it. Important to know what variation you are using like skuchi said, i like the mix. I run between 100-300mg a week stacked with some sort of test or occasionally winny, depending on my goals. Expect some sleep disorders maybe night sweats too, I find them to be minor especially at lower doses like a 100mg/wk which is what i usually run. One thing that doesn`t get talked about much on this forum is defining your goals. It is important for me to have a very clear picture of my goals. Typically, my goal is to gain 5-8lbs of hard, lean muscle with each cycle while maintaining strength and flexibility and avoiding major side effects, but again that`s just me and everyone IS different . So the drugs I use, diet and workouts are all tailored respectively. But overall very good advice from the rest of the community and I don`t have much to add. Because I run test with it I usually have an AI on board and do a strong PCT a few times a year. best of luck
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Johnny Longsockz User profile
Somewhere around 250 a week for a few weeks and then bump it up if you feel the need to do so but only bump to around 350 you don`t want too much of a jump
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Just goty nice geneza order and 10 bottles of few dif types of oils of geneza.maybe the bottles got confused.. so never done tren and was on sale Tren E that is. so got one to try and they sent tren A instead..it was product if week has anyone else receive this mistake?? I guess it`s better tho for first my time tren to use acetate
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Loonytik User profile
Yeah I`ve never had them switch a product but im sure it`s just a simple mistake. I would let them know if i we`re you. They may replace for you at no cost to you. Plus yeah since its your firat time on tren better to have the stuff that gets out of you quickly in case of side effects.
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anon5_uk User profile Expert
It is indeed better for you to try ace first. As for them shipping wrong item, open a ticket and I am sure they will sort it out for you. But I am not sure what you are trying to accomplish with single vial, you`d need more than that for a tren cycle.
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Adam22 User profile
Yeah definitely tren ace for first time trying it that way if you dont like how it makes you feel or you can sleep it will be out of you system quicker. Tren makes it almost impossible for me to sleep i wake up every hour
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LongIslandBEAST User profile
I’m sure it happens all the time. Just submit a ticket and 24roids will correct it. I recently had an order where five vials needed to be replaced and not only did I get my five bottles I also got ten boxes of Dianabol and five of winstrol Tabs. 24roids always makes it right so just submit a ticket.
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JayP User profile
Your best bet is to submit a ticket to 24roids on reference to this. Tren A is a shorter ester compared to Tren E which is a long ester. You can use the A, but you will have to dose more frequently compared to E. In the end, 24roids customer service is top notch so they will square you up.
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Greenleanmass User profile
I guess they got a mix up. Submit a ticket to get a refund or a replacement. So I guess if it`s your first time using tren use acetate. God bless stay safe.
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How do I know if my items are with customs, or if they made it through?When I click on my account it says my order will be here in approx 4 business days. Can someone let me know how accurate this is? When I click the tracking number it says the consignment has arrived in the country of destination. That happened just a few days ago, so I assume that means it is still in customs. But I could be wrong. Any input would be great. Thanks
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omeed haji User profile
When it says the consignment has arrived in the country of destination it’s on ur country u in so u are just fine u going to get ur package soon
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Swoll,onthe,low User profile
That means it`s in customs,it says different things not just one message but anyting like that is customs.it will move and update every 13hours or so once it`s thru customs and inroute.
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Jackson User profile
That means It passed customs so you are good to go. It should be in your mailbox within a week
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N88 User profile
First he account countdown is just a guess and has nothing to do with reality. The tracker is the best source of nailing down timeframes when it`s actually working. I`d say it works more than 50% of the time. If it`s not updating properly it`s also best to cut n paste the tracking into both links…i had a “DHL” link two orders ago and it was actually USPS that had accurate info. Dont be surprised if one day your order just shows up regardless what the shipping tracker says…happens often.
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Jaris User profile
In my case, tracking was only that it said shipped, and said delivered to destination country, thats it.. So.. Idk maybe wait
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nickname_518 User profile
It is most likely still being processed by customs but I wouldn’t worry unless it’s in there for more than a few days and even then it still doesn’t mean u have anything to worry about because it could be in there for a week or more if u get unlucky
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How in the hell did Geneza win? Dragon was the one we voted for and the one I had my heart set on. Was it a supply thing? If so I can understand that.
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J.P. User profile Expert
Have to take into account time zones. While the deadline to vote may have passed where you live, there may be a whole different demographic of people who can still vote. Besides, Dragon is only better than Geneza if you`ve never used Geneza.
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Ryan User profile
It was just voted for the most, im pretty sure theres no underlying scheme here
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Don O User profile Expert
It happens but theres always another week, Ive been hoping for deal on Primobolan but it seems to get edged out in the end, but when it does win its time to stock up, sorry to hear you didnt get what you need I understand the frustration.
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Zach hayward User profile
Geneza is just as good if not better than dragon in my opinion. Everyone has theyre preference tho
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anon5_uk User profile Expert
If you haven`t yet tried Geneza, I highly recommend. It`s 24roids own inhouse brand basically. Good stuff. Sadly it`s not shipped domestically, then it would be just too damn perfect.
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Zach Linder User profile Expert
I`m confused here….it was just voted for more than other products….lol other people wanted Geneza and not dragon. Don`t over think it 🙂 GP Tren is better IMO
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Just curious why this product seems to have won the Product of the Week over DP’s Tren E when they are both the same dose but GP’s Tren is $22 more? When comparing GP and DP I find it hard to believe that one is that much better than the other? Am I missing something or is it just a matter of personal preference?
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JD Cycle User profile Expert
Many customers are brand loyal and may be ordering other products from the same manufacturer. If you order product of the week with other products from that brand, then it`s still just one shipment versus ordering other brands and receiving two seperate shipments. Many just find a brand they like/trust and stick by it though.
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nickname_458 User profile
Just depends which brand gets the most votes for that week. You can vote on a different product each week, whichever one gets the most votes will be discounted 50% next week. Just a preference is all.
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Mike March User profile
I agree with what jd cycle said. Also, everyone on 24roids knows that geneza and dragon are both great ugl’s and some have there preference but also dragons would be $11 cheaper if it won product of the week
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N88 User profile
Most are loyal to one or the other and some just vote for the current #1 if they are looking at tren. Also GP ships in half the time of DP so that could be an influencer also
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anonymous255 User profile
People love Geneza.
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Ryan User profile
Brand is a big deal, if you try something and it works yiur more likely to stick with said company in the future. Or people just like the shipping more
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Okay, so the tren e description states that Tren & Nolva together will have adverse effects on the progesterone level. What doors that mean?
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Fllera User profile
First, I did not see on the discerption anything about Nolva. Second Nolva has nothing to do with the progesterone. Tren does not convert to estrogen and while Nolva is SARMS that can help you not to get Gyno.
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YD1 User profile
Hi Ted, Forget about taking nova while on anything. Its not made while on cycle. You take Arimidex or Aromasin to control estrogen while on cycle especially for the cycle you doing. Navadex is for after you cycle is done preferably 1-2 weeks after all shots/cycle depending on cycle of course. Novadex or clomid is just to help bring bring out your natrual testosterone from being suppressed from the cycle at the end.
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nickname_537 User profile
I never heard of that. Nolvadex helps bring back testosterone and is an estrogen blocker used often during pct.
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Skuchie User profile
The description of this drug does not say anything about Nolva. That being said, “Although this steroid can`t convert to estrogen, some users do experience problems with progesterone related side effects, similar to those seen with products such as Deca Durabolin or Durabolin. Users sensitive to these issues may prefer to add Cabaser to their cycles.” If you add a testosterone to your cycle, which most users do when using tren, then you may have the excess estrogen related side effect of gyno, but .5mg of arimidex EOD should keep that in check. But after your cycle a proper PCT would be necessary, and while I use clomid and HCG, you may choose to use Nolva.
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nickname_48 User profile Expert
As others have mentioned tren and nolva have completely different functions. Nolva blocks estrogen receptors and stimulates LH production in the body. Tren is an anabolic steroid that doesn`t convert to estrogen.
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Winstrolback User profile
Tren acts as progestin and raises prolactin. It does not convert to estrogen but elevated prolactin will increase estrogen. Nolvadex is a serm (selective estrogen receptor modulator) it will fill the estrogen receptors in the breast tissue so estrogen cannot bind there.
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I started tren e 200 1 ml a wk. Sust 270 1ml a wk Sun & Wed. 1/2 mg Arimidex 2 a wk Mon & Thurs. and waiting until wk 8 to start HCG at 250 2 wk. I`ve also got Nolva but, a friend said not to use it with Tren. Is that true? Should I wait to PTC with Nolva a few wks after last shot? I`m continuing with test e 200 during that time also.
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YD1 User profile
Hi Teddy. As far as I know you can use it with tren after last shots. I`ve done it in the past before I got on trt and it worked fine for me. Since Nova is for PCT its best to wait 1- 2 weeks after last shot depending on cycle. Did he say a particular reason why not to do it?Good luck
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nickname_610 User profile
Nolvadex and chlomid you should take on pct .
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Will User profile Expert
Nolvadex is not an AI. It`s meant to be used during your PCT to restore your natural levels along with Clomid.
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tiger99 User profile
For Tren Nolva wont help w/ side effects from the tren, Itll help w/ sust w/ getting gyno.. Your suppose take something while on gear Arimedex is best for most of estrogen side effects.. Since Tren doesn`t raise your estrogen levels but does raise your Progestron levels which can lead to bloat n gyno so you need to take letrole for that side effect if ur sensitive.. You can take Hcg to help w/ ur testicle during cycle if u need
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nickname_48 User profile Expert
You are taking trt dose testosterone, you might not even need arimidex. Why would you take nolva anyways, it`s a sarms. It restarts body`s natural test production during pct.
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N88 User profile
If you are continuing test e as a cruise you dont need PCT. PcT is only needed if you come completely off.
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Haven’t ran Tren yet, so was just curious what support drugs I need to run with it? Taking 250mg test cyp weekly already and considering a 300mg/week for 6 weeks of this. Thanks for the input as I’m fairly new to actually running my own cycles.
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Jake User profile Expert
Have caber on hand just in case your prolactin got out of control but at only 300mg a week its unlikely. Tren shuts you down hard a proper PCT is necessary to get your natural production back after the cycle. I always run clomid 50mg two weeks then 25mg for another two. Nolva 40mg for 2 weeks then lower the dose to 20mg two more weeks. Run HCG 500iu a week while on cycle until 1 weeks after your last injection
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Mike Jones User profile Expert
With a test/tren cycle you will need an ai either adex or letro whichever works best for you and caber is a must. For those doses I’d run .5mg of caber every 3 days if you are cycling and not on trt, you will need hcg during the cycle to help recovery. Tren is no joke, and it’s not to be taken lightly, I know everyone is different, but tren for me at least and a few that I know does cause highly increased aggression and possible depression start off at the lowest dose possible and gauge how it affects you for a few weeks then increase your dose, for tren even at the lowest dose it will be working.
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Swoleville User profile
I would get a few cycles ran before taking tren. It is a very powerful compound that not everyone can handle. If you choose to try it I suggest tren ace at .5 eod. If sides come up it gets out of your system faster then enanthate will
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Mtrain User profile
Wait as long as possible before incorporating Tren. That being said, once you start the Tren cycles, you`ll definitely want Arimidex (Letrozole is too much) and Cabergoline. Arimidex (AI) prevents aromatase gyno and Caber prevent prolactin related gyno
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anon5_uk User profile Expert
You`ll need caber and an anti-estrogen (Arimidex, etc.). For PCT you`ll also need Nolvadex and Clomid. Perhaps also have some montelukast on hand if you get tren cough.
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I’ve been reading a bunch of reviews. Very curious has anyone tried Dragon Pharm Tren E? And how would you compare it to GP Tren E? Would you say one is way better than the other or are they pretty much the same?
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ROBERT User profile
If you`re asking this because it being product of the week at half price I would stock up. It`s a solid buy. I`ve used both brands and see no difference.
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GainsVille_85 User profile
Dragon Pharm is one of the more popular brands on 24roids. I’ve used them a bunch and have always had good results.
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anon5_uk User profile Expert
This isn`t Dragon Pharm, this is Geneza Pharmaceuticals, and I have indeed tried GP and it is pretty good, good carrier oils, no PIP, good gear. Verified with +4000 ng/dl testosterone blood level after using this exact product at 500 mg/week.
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SocalJuicer User profile Expert
These two labs are 24roids favorites and produce just about the exact same “level” of products. Based on LOTS of experience with both brands, I would say they are completely interchangable, and will both be good quality and potency. You can check out independent 3rd party lab tests at anaboliclab. com, the geneza tren E product was tested by this site and actually came in OVERDOSED slightly, which is a bonus! Check out some test and decide for yourself, but you are safe with either lab!
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evan johnson User profile Expert
Those are 2 of the most popular brands on 24roids and you can be assured that whichever you plan on buying you will get tremendous results.
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N88 User profile
DP tren eth is good stuff. My only complaint with their oils is i think they short the MLs. i preload syringes and everytime I use DP i come up about a ML or so short when compared to others. However i still stock up when it`s the product of the week regardless
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I’ve been reading a bunch of reviews. Very curious has anyone tried Dragon Pharm Tren E? And how would you compare it to GP Tren E? Would you say one is way better than the other or are they pretty much the same?
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ROBERT User profile
If you`re asking this because it being product of the week at half price I would stock up. It`s a solid buy. I`ve used both brands and see no difference.
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GainsVille_85 User profile
Dragon Pharm is one of the more popular brands on 24roids. I’ve used them a bunch and have always had good results.
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anon5_uk User profile Expert
This isn`t Dragon Pharm, this is Geneza Pharmaceuticals, and I have indeed tried GP and it is pretty good, good carrier oils, no PIP, good gear. Verified with +4000 ng/dl testosterone blood level after using this exact product at 500 mg/week.
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SocalJuicer User profile Expert
These two labs are 24roids favorites and produce just about the exact same “level” of products. Based on LOTS of experience with both brands, I would say they are completely interchangable, and will both be good quality and potency. You can check out independent 3rd party lab tests at anaboliclab. com, the geneza tren E product was tested by this site and actually came in OVERDOSED slightly, which is a bonus! Check out some test and decide for yourself, but you are safe with either lab!
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evan johnson User profile Expert
Those are 2 of the most popular brands on 24roids and you can be assured that whichever you plan on buying you will get tremendous results.
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N88 User profile
DP tren eth is good stuff. My only complaint with their oils is i think they short the MLs. i preload syringes and everytime I use DP i come up about a ML or so short when compared to others. However i still stock up when it`s the product of the week regardless