Currently running DP cut mix at 1ml EOD but wanted to add in more test prop so I can get closer to 400mg a week. I`m assuming you can add this into the same syringe as the cut mix? Do you guys suggest adding 50mg of prop to the cut mix EOD which already has 50mg of prop in it? First time running tren don`t want to add to that just yet.
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Roid_Head User profile Expert
It`s standard practice. You can mix different oils in one syringe and pin
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Bob Johneser User profile
Mixing is fine as long as its oil base with oit base. I would add a little bit of long acting test to it if you are able, maybe 1 cc of cypionate 250 a week to get you to your target.
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anonymous_1212 User profile
Hello BidZ, yes you can mix them together in one syringe. Try not to put one product into another contained in the vials. I put two together all the time, intact I have been doing that since I started sticking. It can also help with pip but it depends on what products are being combined. You can either: use another needle in the top to let air in while you draw out each product or you can draw out the product into two syringes then inject one into the other. I hope it helps Stay healthy, safe and live well bro! PLEASE up vote for is on Q&A and for Product of The Week! Reply if you need to.
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.50 caliber User profile
yes that would be fine that would double your test by adding 50mg of prop you could even go a little higher. all in the same syringe is fine
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Onyx User profile
You can do that. Mixing oils is fine. I wish you luck and a successful cycle
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This is the 1st time I`ve taken prop. When putting it in the syringe or when injecting it , it goes in ver easily. The oil is thin, unlike cyp. Or emanate the oil is thick. Is this normal?
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crazy Dan User profile Expert
This is very normal!! TestP has a thinner viscosity than the carrier oil in testE, well its my observation amount different ugl as well. But it doesn`t matter if it`s viscous or not, it`s all depends on the carrier oil a lab use. This goes to the color or tint of the carrier oil too. Another thing, GP tense time used thinner oil than Dragon. In short, it`s perfect normal for the oil to be either “thin” or “thick”. Hope that helps. Good luck buddy! Don`t forget to vote.
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Joeskee User profile
Yes it`s very normal when it`s a short ester the oil is usually thin but with thin oil u will most likely get a little pip that comes along with it. Don`t worry u g2g.
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Swoleville User profile Expert
Its normal. Every prop i have used has been smooth. Never had anything thick. Could also depend on the carrier oil used
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Squatstuff2020 User profile
Yes, normal AF. Especially with the shorter-chained esters. Not a scientist, but i assume the less viscous the faster the hormone is cleaved and becomes active in the lab rat`s system.
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Star Fox User profile
Yes this is normal as it`s thinner. Good luck.
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Cyclone User profile Expert
As other have said, this is normal and nothing to be concerned about!
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Hey guys looking to get back to working out. It`s been over 4 yrs since I picked up weights I was in a accident couldn`t walk for a while but either way looking to get back to it. I need a good cycle to start off again. I`m over the test and deca looking to get big fast then cut up maybe a good 12 wk cycle or longer then go into a cutting cycle. I`m 6ft 54yrs old 240lbs dont drink but love to eat. I`m working on the diet. Any help would be great. Thanks to everyone who responds.
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Eddie mush User profile
Glad to hear your ok, so I would go in test and take npp instead of the long acting deca for a at least 6 to 8 weeks and then going on how u feel throw in a some anavar if u can afford if not I would take some masteron and you should be g2g.
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nickname_21 User profile Expert
How about 500test per week. 50 to 100mg anadrol per day, start on low end, for 6 weeks. And equipose 600mg per week got for 15 weeks.Or go with 300 test 400 tren for 10 weeks with a tbol 40mg to 60mg per day for first 5 weeksTake your weight and multiply it by 16. That should be your starting calorie intake per day. Every few weeks reevaluate your calories if your not growing good luck
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Hey guys! Quick question about IM injections. I read that you can do 2ml in delts and thighs and 3ml in buttocks, is that correct? Also how many times can you inject the same site per week? I`m looking to do two short ester compounds. (Test Prop & Tren Ace). Every other day 1.5 ml of Test Prop & 1 ml of Tren Ace. Just trying to get informed as much as possible before deciding to do this cycle. Cycle length 10 weeks.
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Tsidorick User profile
As for myself I definitely rotate injection sites believe it or not they say deltoids are the safest area and try to use a new point everytime I use 1″ and rotate on the medial deltoid then glutes from the angle of coming from the side and rotate as well as hamstrings . The use of new points every injection is best so there is minimum scare tissue. Hopefully this is helpful
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Kbird User profile
most medical professionals would suggest no more than 1ml in any one spot. Bit the bro science says 3ml in glutes, 2ml in quds, and 1ml in shoulders. shoulders are relatively smaller muslces. Rotate 4-6 spots, before coming back to the orinigal.
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ThePony User profile
yes, you can inject 2ml in your shoulder, its about the limit of what id recommend but youd be better off spliting to two delts with 1ml in each.
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john smith User profile
id just pin 1.5 in one delt and 1ml in the other, or mix your cocktail and pin half in each delt. or just pin into your glutes.
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Chris User profile
Shoulders are small and you should minimaze how much oil you put into them. if you do 2ml wait 4-5 days before pinning again. or split into two spots on each delt.
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Big Dogg User profile
With short esters I think you`re gonna wanna rotate every pin. 3ml glutes and quads. Unless you have huge shoulders 2ml is probably too much. They are easy so you could split 1/2 in right, 1/2 in left.
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I just shot 1 cc into my delt can anyone tell me what I can expect PIP wise? Tbh I`m always nervous about shooting a new cycle scared about the purity…even sudden death I used GP544C test prop 100
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Lorddrip User profile
Well as your Delts are already a good size compared to needle you will be fine cause I have read and seen guys pin their delts even with a one inch needle and get pip cause the shoulder wasn`t built up enough just gotta be careful if not you will fine most people are good luck
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Paul User profile
My experience with pinning Test Prop is always PIP. I`ve tried Glutes, Delts, Thighs. Each time I`ve gotten PIP for a couple of days. Hot showers and messaging the area help
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NeuroMD User profile
It`s an extremely rare instance for an IM steroid injection to cause sudden death. Outside of a potent allergy that led to massive anaphylactic shock or if all of the oil was shot directly into a vein that could lead to a fat/oil embolism, you`re not going to die. So relax man. The more often you do it, the easier it will be. As far as PIP, test prop can sometimes be known for causing moderate PIP but if the oil is decent (which if it came from 24roids I`m confident it is GTG) then it should be very minimal. Using proper injection technique and pushing the oil slowly and massaging the area afterwards can all help mitigate possible PIP. Afterwards, using a hot compress and getting blood into the muscle with movement can help ease existing PIP. Good luck and be safe and don`t worry too much when injecting! Do it sterile and slow and you`ll be more than okay!
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Drew User profile
It honestly all depends on where exactly you injected into and how Virgin the tissues. You you I jest all the time it`s not bad at all if you not a normal cycler that injects all the time there may be some pip at first Especially with prop.
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Swoll,onthe,low User profile
Virgin muscle? Use history? Size pin? Depth of the shot? I get no pip from geneza prop
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Big Dogg User profile
Probably feel like you got punched in the shoulder for a day or two. PIP usually doesnt bother me. I dont pin in delts though because of lower absorption rate. You can google the study. They used deca and it was about 85% (if I remember right) of the blood levels vs. glutes.
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Hey guys. What brand of test prop have you used that had the least PIP? I want to try shorter esters after running enanthate and cypionate, etc.
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Charles Blaydes User profile
I got very minimal pip on Bio Mex prop , I ran there tren didn`t get any except the first week (virgin muscle) Im waiting on a order right now more test p and b100 i like dragon pharm also but i don`t react well to the carrier oil so i couldn`t run it im also trying out test p for that reason have tried e and c i would say try out a new lab good luck luck bro
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Big Dogg User profile
BM Pharma is excellent. Strong and little PIP. There will be a little more than with a longer ester but this is pretty smooth. It doesn`t bother me at all.
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traianos123 User profile
I have use test prop from GP and Rus-Bio, i didnt had any PIP and i had good results, but the most i like it in the mix os Sustanon 350 fron DP, but many people got bad PIP from this Sustanon, not me, works great for me.
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Drew User profile
I`ve done biomex and it`s very mind no pip at all and I got great results from taking 100mgs eod.
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Juice24roids User profile Expert
Hey Goku, both dragon and geneza have no PIP for me; however, I rarely get PIP from any compound. I only shoot ventro glutes with 25g 1.5″ needle. Thanks for the question
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JB205 User profile Expert
I use DP 350 sustanon which has prop, eth, and cyp. As long as I heat the syringe and rub the injection site, no pip at all.
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Skip last question lol anyway say I get 2 vials of test c a low 350mg x week would this be proper enough the arimidex IDK if I`ll be able to get that but at least if I get the 2 somewhere in the next couple weeks pull out money for the arimidex for sure just wanna know would this do the trick 2 vials I eat right train right would it be proper
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bobby charlton User profile
350 a week is fine and take arimidex if u get itchy or sensitive nips, have it ready though.
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Sl4m User profile
2 vials Sus, Arimidex as an AI, and Nolvadex for PCT. Needles, alchohol swabs. That should be everything for a cycle.
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skitt User profile
Yes to vials of Test C at that dose would be plenty.. you would have some ml left over… 2 vial IF ran at 500 mg would give ya a good 10 weeks cycle so 350 mg you could stretch it out a few more weeks… Assuming you have Needles and syringes and alcohol swabs for a sterile shot.. then the 2 vials plus a dex for on cycle support IF NEEDED. and you could get away Nova or Clomid… I personally would go with Clomid as it stimulates production of turning your testies back on
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Will User profile Expert
Your question is “will it do the trick”? That question makes no sense. Will 2 vials do the trick of what? First, you do NOT want to run a cycle without an AI. So that`s fine if you purchase the 2 vials, but do not run unless you have the Arimidex as well. You`re screwed if you have estrogenic sides. Some people even with low doses of test will get estrogenic sides. You always want it on hand for every cycle you run. Otherwise, if your question is if 2 vials will be beneficial, well yes. You`re elevating your testosterone. The more your diet and training is programmed right, the more effective it will be in providing results.
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Mr.smith User profile
I’m not 100% sure what you are asking but I think you are asking if at 350 if you won’t need the arimadex. Maybe you won’t but don’t take anything without having arimadex on hand first. That is way to risky, people can get gyno on a trt dose of like 175. Also rest e looks like it will win product of the week next week so use that instead if you want to save some money.
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RJB16 User profile
You should be ok at that level, Clomid is also good as stated. Keep your workout and diet on point and you should be good.
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Ill make it more clear I know it`s better to have your pct on hand just in case for sure I have done a lot of research this past month so I would have to purchase two vials at the least for a proper cycle when I have heard even at 150mg test c or test e you will see the same results at 500mg a week so with propionate being that it`s a shorter half life 2 vials would last how long at roughly 350mg week I`m used to needles so that won`t be an issue so even if I got get more Bitcoin really fast say I spend around 115$ roughly would 2 propinate and Arimidex just trying to do math in my head but would this be proper cycle I`m bad with math and ml and mg and all that so forgive me
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skitt User profile
Well honestly If in no rush I would get at least your clomid when buying everything else so your covered for your PCT just in case anything happens your prepared.. If your in the states you dont want to order and not have it with you and have something happen and you go to order it but it take say 3 weeks to get to ya and you`ve been out of test for that whole 3 weeks… would really make ya feel like crap… Yes having A dex on hand is a plus as if you dont know how your body will responed to the test.. You may not need it at 350 mg but then again maybe you will everybody response differently.. Now for the fun stuff… there is a big difference between 150 mg and 500 mg its NOT the same… a lot of how that would affect a person would depend on there numbers through blood work which would take a bit for me to explain but its not the same as that is a TRT dose.. If your natural test was 700 to 800 then 150 mg may elevate you a little bit above normal meaning yes it would be affective but NO no where near what 500 mg would do with same numbers… Ok now with Prop its 100 mg per ML and in 1 Vial there are 10Ml so lets say your doing 300 mg a week which is affective and not 350 mg.. You would do 3 ml per week so 1 vial would last 3 weeks with 1 ml left over… so 2 vial would last you 6 weeks at 300 mg a week with 2 Ml left over…If you wanted a decent Prop (test) cycle.. Id buy no less then 3 vials maybe 4… 3 vials at 300 mg a week would give you 10 weeks cycle…. that 4th vial would allow you to bump it up to 350 mg a week… Good luck
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Mr.T User profile
That is a really long sentence and hard to read. Just make sure you buy everything you need before you start anything. You don’t know if your pct or anything else will get lost in the mail and then you are f’d. I agree with Skitt on all the dosing. Besides that just try and make your questions more to the point and add in some periods now and then.
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VB92 User profile
At 300 mg a week, if your not super estrogen sensitive, you probably won`t even need an AI. Sure it`s best to have on hand just in case, but I don`t even get the estrogen effects at 500mg a week, even though my blood levels are elevated. However, If you`re in no rush, wait for Dragon Pharma Enanthate 250 to be POW, it happens quite frequently and you can get 3 vials for 75$. That would allow you 18weeks at 400mg per week. Because 300mg a week for 6 weeks isn`t really going to accomplish much.
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Dr Scott User profile Expert
Excellent answers this morning. I especially like LIB and the gent who has experience with addiction. Because test is not addictive per say but it is. I enjoy living in an enhanced metabolic state and I always have believed that women can just “smell” a man with increases levels and are somehow attracted to it. But I am devilishly handsome so maybe that`s it lol. JK. I need to be careful.Point is everyone is right bears some thought because there are monsters here. Best of luck, great advice.
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nickname_957 User profile
make sure you have everything before you start because you never know what will happen. be safe than sorry. but with that said. 300mg isnt a crazy high dose so you could probably get away without an ai but you should still have it on hand for insurance purposes
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My name is Jeff User profile
Shipping is 25$ so if you are gonna keep offing tiny amounts you will pay a fortune in shipping. Wait til you have enough for all of it and order it to save money.
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Noob here since I don`t have enough cash for test c or test e and budgetcoinz charges you a stupid amount of money to turn cash into Bitcoin anyway not a noob with needles I was a heroin addict for over 13 years going on 3 sober by the way but yeah every other day how many mgs should I blast
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dylan User profile
hey man good luck on your quest for staying sober. I would start with 400mg weekly split eod. but you need test with this for sure so best to save up for cycle
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Fit_mom User profile
If you dont have enough cash for test e or c. You wont have enough for prop. A normal cycle for starters is 250 to 500 a week. 1 vial of prop would last you between 4 weeks at 250 and 2 weeks at 500. If you cycled for 12 weeks you would need between 3 and 6 vials. Then you may need an ai to control estrogen. You would want to run a pct to bring your natural test back up. Sounds like you need to do more research on cycling. Good luck
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LongIslandBEAST User profile
Reconsider this. If you don’t have enough money for other forms of test than you aren’t understanding how much you will need because in the end Propionate is probably, no definitely, more money per mg than the other two. Even though Test E or C is 50% more expensive there is 2.5X the amount so it’s less money overall. I will keep it simple. If you were to run 500mg a week and want to do a 12 week cycle you will need 24mL so three vials of Test E or Test C. As a beginner “noob” the longer esters are better because your blood levels will be more stable with less pins. Not trying to talk crap or anything but heroin use is no advantage in using gear. The shots you will have to do are different but I guess it’s good you don’t fear the needle. I hope you don’t love the needle though and have this trigger you wanting to stick your vein. Just saying, it can be a slippery slope and using anabolics can be addictive themselves. Us Bros know it is addictive. Not chemically per se but the results an feeling you get is an addictive state. But that’s just my opinion. Get yourself three vials of 250mg/mL test e or even Sustanon 350 by Dragon or TriTest400 from SIS. The cost evens out pretty much. And you will need less and can buy only two goals of those. If you have $150 you can do a simple cycle. Try and grab some arimidex although I prefer Aromasin for possible estrogen side effects. Arimidex is cheaper. Good luck. Continue to do research before sticking yourself.
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Sl4m User profile
Hey man, first, Don`t us Budgetcoinz. Use Coinbase if you can. you just need to connect your bank account, and You can use the Coinbase app right from your phone. Super convenient and fees are only a few dollars. Second, you should save up and get Test E or C for your first cycle. Run 400-500mg a week split into two injections into glutes. for 12 weeks. use 25gauge 1.5 inch needle. Research PCT. Wait until Test E or C is product of the week and get a good deal, It looks like it will be next week. I am a former addict too, been sober seven years. Be aware of the addict mindset. Even tho Testosterone isn`t an addictive drug, it needs to be respected and in moderation. Exercise helped save my life. Hit the gym hard, get the diet in check, and enjoy life being sober, brother. Add the test not to use or cheat, but to enhance an already productive regiment. Be safe
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Johnny Longsockz User profile
Save your pennies until it goes on sale. No need to be in a rush.
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Lord User profile
I would save enough money until you have enough money to buy everything you need. You`re going ti need an ai as well and if you planned on only buying one bottle it`s only going to last you about 2-5 weeks give or take a few days.
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About to start my cut and I`m going to use test prop. I`ve heard this has to be injected 1 inch into the muscle. I`ll most likely be injecting thighs because that is my go to and it is what I`m used to. But I currently have a few cm of fat covering the muscle and I only have 1 inch needles. Will this still be okay or should I go out and grab some 1.5s? Thanks. Also is test good for cutting, or should I save it for next bulk? Will I add muscle or make my muscles appear harder? I`ve never used test in a cut before so I`m just curious. Thanks
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Fit_dad User profile
It must be shot exactly 1inch into the muscle..Do not go even a cm to far or short.. come on ppl..just get the gear into a muscle..Any muscle.Any depth will work.perferably deep deep
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Fit_mom User profile
Your cut is going to depend on your diet. You can take test and still gain fat. Doesnt matter if is prop, enth, or cyp. You need to make the determination if the 1 inch will work by checking your fat density. Not sure where on your thigh your injecting. Be sure to do some research on im injections. Many people dont know their anatomy and have problems. Good luck
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Gman User profile Expert
1 inch is fine I prefer shorter it`ll be fine if your concerned about extra fat around the thighs it`s not a big deal becuase it actually doesnt have to be in in the muscle you ll be fine either way
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Anon151 User profile
Well you didn`t mention if you are taking anything other than test, but yes, test prop and a solid diet will help with cutting altho you should stack it. Yes test will also help with muscle retention. Look into get the ECA stack which helps with cutting or clen. Test should be the base of every cycle you do, in my opinion. It should be added regardless. A few cm of fat won`t matter. I use 1in all year long and it is fine. Glutes and quads are my injection spots of choice. Hope this helps.
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nickname_467 User profile Expert
You have to take minimum trt dose test as a base no matter if you are cutting or bulking. Based on what you said I don`t think 1″ needle is going to cut it I suggest you buy 1.5″ needles.
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Alphabetsoup User profile
personally I use test as the foundation of every cycle, bulking or cutting. So much gear is suppressive to natural test production that replacement is essential. The shorter esther prop will retain less water than longer esthers making it good for cutting. As far as needle length I think you are good with 1inch into thighs; I prefer 1.5 into glutes but whatever works best for you. Are you taking anything else in your cycle? Maybe some Tren Ace, or Anavar or Winstrol? I think you would see a synergistic effect by adding another compound. Lastly consider adding something like Letrozole to dry out a little and stave off the gyno. Good luck
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I was wondering about finishing a test E cycle with prop, my rationale being short esters are out of the system quicker so it would make easy timing and smooth transition to PCT. Something like 7 weeks test e, then 3 weeks test prop… Thoughts/advice?Thank you in advance.
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Beard User profile
U want to change esters mid cycle? I wouldn`t recommend that myself, it`s a pretty smooth transition into PCT no matter which one u choose….
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anonymous255 User profile
I wouldn’t bother with that. That would just make things more difficult than need be. Just start PCT 10-14 days after last injection.
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Will User profile Expert
Why would prop be any easier than using Test E or C? I`m confused. The only difference is if youd start your PCT 1 or 2 weeks after you last injection is all. Since you`re mid-cycle, I wouldnt make the change. But ultimately it won`t hurt or help your gains. Your blood levels just won`t be steady during the transition of a long ester to a fast ester.
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Scott User profile
Pointless to do. Just stay with your E and PCT 2 weeks after your last pin.
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Skuchie User profile
I wouldn’t change esters mid cycle, I understand your rational being you could come off a long acting ester and transition to a short acting ester, so you could start your PCT 2 days after your last injection of Prop as opposed to 10 days after your last injection of Enanthate. But keep in mind it’s all in your head. That last shot of Enanthate keeps working for ten days, so it’s still there, working, just like the Prop would be after 2 days. It’s seriously a mind game right now, just stick with the Enanthate, train hard thru your last week..then start your PCT. On a side note: ignore anything Anonymous255 has to offer because he’s ignorant to the facts and common sense. He gives the rest of us “knowledgeable” people who’ve been doing this for 25years a bad name(Aka his last advice “don’t worry if u can’t inject it, you can just drink the liquid winstrol “)
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anon5_uk User profile Expert
That`s not really standard procedure. Just do what literally everyone else does, start PCT 10-14 days after your last test e/cyp injection. You are over-complicating things that shouldn`t be complicated.
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Alright, I was told to ask questions here on 24roids in order to learn everything I need to know. So I have 2 questions. My first question is, should I alter my nutrition plan? As a natural I currently consume 0.8-0.9grams of protein per pound of bodyweight and I my fat intake is 25%-30% of my total calorie intake. I use carbs to make up the leftover calories I require. For example: if I finish my bulk at 200lbs I would start the cut by consuming 180g protein, 70g fat, 280-300 carbs and adjust my intake when I hit a plateau. Would this be the same when I start using gear? Or would I change something around.My second question is about my workout split. I work each muscle group twice per week, and take 2 mandatory rest days per week for muscle recovery. I have been told anabolics drastically boost recovery time. So does this mean I should increase the volume and take away a rest day? I.e. 6 days in the gym per week with increased sets and reps. Or should I go with a completely different split.Thanks
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omeed haji User profile
I take 80gram protein per day and I eat good like 5time and a day with 3 times protein bar and milk and nuts .i go gym 4 day a week A-b I do upper body Monday and lower Tuesday and Wednesday rest and Tuesday upper Friday lower and Saturday and Sunday rest each muscle 2 time a week with good rest to bulk up
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Jason wyatt User profile
I like push/pull/legs split all depends on the person tho. Alos try to take in 1.5 grams of protein per lb of body weight.
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Nattygains User profile
I wouldn`t really break it down too much like that it takes the fun out of it and makes things very tedious. To make it simple the more compounds you take the more youre going to have to eat especially on crazy shit like tren. You need to up your intake by quite a lot in order to keep up with the rate of the different compounds and how they effect your metabolize and everything like that. As far as a workout split just listen to your body. Yes your recovery will be greatly increased and you be able to lift more frequently. Don`t worry about a split. If you wake up and want to smash something that you just did 2 days ago then hit it. Your body and your mind will let you know what youre hitting that day
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anon5_uk User profile Expert
Not much diet plan alteration is needed when hopping on AAS. You still will need to eat big, although some AAS may help you allocate the nutrients better (and make better use of them for body building purposes). So you`ll be good with what you have planned now. Yes you are correct, AAS will cut your recovery need by a lot. You`ll still need SOME sort of rest days, but you can increase volume by a lot. Yes 6 days per week on somewhat moderate volume is going to be ok, but 7/7 I wouldn`t do.
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anonymous255 User profile
I wouldn’t change much about your diet. You can increase workout volume to six days because recovery will be increased. I often increase my workouts to six or maybe seven days a week, but for the most part I’ll listen to my body and rest when I feel I need it.
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nickname_537 User profile
Sounds good. Steroids will help shuttle the nutrients better. To cut I`d lower carbs by half and replace with protein. To bull it`s ok just add a bit more calories. Either way it`s good but just concentrate more on protein as it`s protein that drives muscle building under the influence of steroids. Drink plenty of water too.
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Can someone recommend a good syringe/needle for test prop? It is my first cycle so I plan on doing 350 a week and injecting every other day.
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Mike Jones User profile Expert
For test p I’d recommend backloading a 30-32g insulin 1ml syringe. Very minimal pip and scar tissue build from how small the syringe is.
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YD1 User profile
Hello, like above said. You want a small syringe I used a 32 gauge when I used to do prop before I made a change to Cypionate. But I was doinf sub shots. Good luck
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nickname_ User profile
I using with 25g 1.5 ml , 1 ml probably two short to reach the muscle
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anon5_uk User profile Expert
25g 1.5″ needle with a 3 mL volumetric syringe. This is a pretty standard setup for all IM oil-based injections.
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Swoleville User profile
I like using 23 gauge 1 inch needle
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Nashdaddy User profile
Use a 25g to draw the prop into the syringe then exchange the needle with a 30 g and use this to inject. Very comfortable this way.
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Is this better for bulki g than other test
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Miguelito User profile
Test prop would be just as good as any other test. Test prop just kicks in fast 1-2 days to feel the difference rather than a few weeks with other esters. You will be injecting either every day or every other day as well.
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Kai User profile
Normally you would want a longer ester so you don`t have to do so many frequent injections. Test pro has a 2.5 day ester so you`ll have to inject every other day (MWF). If you`re doing your first cycle I would recommend running test cyp or Enth instead of test prop. For 8 – 12 weeks along with an AI and have a proper PCT. It`s not recommended to run other gear if you`re running your first cycle.
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Zach Linder User profile Expert
test is test is test is test….is test… It`s going to do the same thing, but the ester will be shorter on the prop version, requiring more frequent injections, ED injections for the most stable blood levels. Less water retention BULKING and CUTTING are NUTRITION, so eat to your heats content….but just remember, test is test is test is test…..you following me? Get and AI and PCT on hand prior to doing any cycle. Always be prepared. Good luck
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Wes User profile
What Zach stated. Test is test. The difference is the pinning frequency and how dialed in your diet is.
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anon5_uk User profile Expert
Not necessarily. Test is test, regardless of what ester it has. I`d opt for something more long lasting, i.e. enanthate or cyp.
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Marcus User profile
Test is test. Prop is just fast acting goes into effect before comparing to enanth or cyp for example. With prop you need to pin every other day. Enanth or cyp you can pin once a week but its better 2 times a week. If you shoot prop 500mg you will get more testosterone in your blood than cyp or enant. Overall difference is minor and again test is test.
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Currently in the middle of a cycle but turns out I will need to take a trip in about two weeks for a week. I don’t think I’ll be able to bring any Test Prop with me. . . how bad am I going to feel/how much am I going to throw my body out of wack if I just stop for about 6 days? Should I just get some longer-acting T to use for that week?
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Will User profile Expert
You can do one of two things in this situation. You can either grab a longer acting ester so it stays in your system longer OR right before you leave, inject your total dose for the week. Your levels will be higher and the it will slowly leave your system throughout the week. I highly doubt you`ll feel any different and even if you go 2 days with it out of your system, that`s not enough to throw your body out of whack. You`ll be perfectly fine. Just don`t try traveling with it. .. .not worth the risk.
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J.P. User profile Expert
I would get a hold of a longer acting testosterone if you can. Total elimination of the propinate ester is around 11 or more days. This is often overlooked or confused with half life. So while you will still have test in your system from your last injection, it`ll be low, and feel like such. I`m not sure how you are traveling, or if it`s worth the risk, but some preloaded insulin syringes may throw up less of a red flag if it`s just friends or family you`re worried about. I personally would be sure that I kept my AI with me. Low test sucks. Low test with out of control estrogen sucks way worse.
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smithpress User profile
It seems like you dont have time to get a longer ester, but you should order some anyways to always have some on you. I think taking a large dose right before you leave should suffice.
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ViktorN User profile
Longer ester need to be pin now and in 3-4 weeks it will kick in. If you have the gear now. If not than it’s a mute point. If you are require to travel a lot than in future cycle get longer ester gears. But for now, are you traveling outside the country? If within the states I would bring my gear BUT this is just me!!! It all about weighing risks and outcomes. But my advice to you is pin minutes before you leave to the airport then pin right after you get back. Since it’s a fast acting ester you can pick it up. Also can you workout when you leave on this trip? I am sorry I cannot give you a better suggestion especially on this thread. But I believe you will make the right decision and/find a way. Definitely have AI ready no matter what you decided. Good luck my friend!!
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Lav3ga User profile Expert
Don`t take a large dose of prop as laid out before. Longer esters don`t take 3 weeks to kick in, just to get to full effect. Go find about 400 mg of test e from another gearhead near you and pop half 4days before you fly, and the other half the day of the flight (with your normal prop injection). This will cover you for the trip. If you can`t find it, you will be fine. Your not going to drop off that hard. And depending on where your going. . la pharmacia might have and amp or two of just what you need.
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Muscle Pup User profile
I usually take a double dose if I know I’m going to miss a shot. If I’m going to miss two shots I’ll take a double before and after. You shouldn’t feel any different.
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Has any test p ever been product of the week before?
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Anonymous User profile
Not that I can remember but It would be nice to get GP test p for $13 a vial
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ViktorN User profile
I think our colleagues on 24roids is more concern about high price gears. They will vote for expensive gears so they can save more money. GP Prop 100 is currently $26 whereas other gears are $90 or more. But I understand, with test prop you have to pin EOD so you need more. I recommend you just ask our 24roids community to vote for GP prop100 and go from there. Good luck friend!
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ROBERT User profile
I`ve personally never seen it be a product of the week. I think more because it`s already priced low to begin with people don`t try to vote it as the product of the week.
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Jaris User profile
Yeah, buddy uses it, says that it works for him, and product is legit. But you never know, needs to be lab tested. .
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N88 User profile
Cant recall if it has been a product of the week; I`d guess no. Would be awesome to get it voted in for sure. .. I`d be stocking up!
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LegacyLifter User profile
I`ve seen it up there a couple of times in the past.
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Why the oil is so clear? and not viscous at all, my vial looks like a bac water
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ViktorN User profile
It is supposed to be clear and Translucent. If it’s murky then it has precipitates or Bacteria growth. Transparent clear liquid means every solutes is in the solution. Mixed. Homogenous. So you are good my friend!! Viscous or viscosity is friction in the fluid state. Oil is more viscous the water but less viscous than diesel motor oil. Being able to blow bubbles with soap only happens because soap is more viscous than air (air is a fluid). Hope that relieve some worry my friend. And good luck!!
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Matthew
It`s MCT, a special pharm grade of triglycerides. There are different types of triglycerides oil and it some have different properties. This oil is very thin, making for easy injections. It also is very easily absorbed by the skin as well as muscle tissue. It works great as a carrier oil and is used in a lot of applications outside of AAS production. MCT stands for medium chain triglyceride, whereas all of the other plant oils are long chain. Essentially the MCT oil will actually be absorbed more rapidly than most other natural oils.
Some other benefits, mostly from a manufacturers standpoint are the colorless and non-staining properties of this oil. As well as its resistance to oxidation effects, making its shelf life very long.
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big baby bear User profile Expert
Geneza uses MCT oil and its less viscous than other oils like cottonseed, sesame, or grapeseed oil but has the advantage of being less irritating than those oils.
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Tren Man User profile
As others have mentioned its the type of oil that is used. MCT just looks like that whcih means it wil be easier to absorb and easier to inject as well. GP products also have a good reputation so everything is fine.
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mchilds User profile
It depends on the amount of BB, BA, and carrier oil. MCT oil is very clear and thin so could be that as a carrier.
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Gregarious User profile
All my geneza test prop and test e came clear as well. I had amazing results with all 24roids orders, all I have ordered was from Geneza pharma, and like I said l, all great results!
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im a newbie guys, so apologies is this is a dum question or common sense. . if im taking test prop at 300 mg a week for 6 weeks, every other day (3x week ) i would therefore need 18 bottles ( 6 x 3) ? and also if its 100 mg a day on the 3ml syringe does that mean fill it up until it reaches 1 and no less or no more then that
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Archangel User profile
Every 1cc is gonna be 300mg. If I understand you correct. If you have test prop 100 then you want to pull back to 1cc every pin. Each bottle has about 10cc so go from there. I would reccomend doing a 10 week cycle if you are new to this. Watch your estrogen and if you start feeling emotional or anything unusual. Pick up some Arimidex or Anastrozole. Take . 5m every other day or every 3 days. See how you feel after a month. Get blood work done and then you will be able to see if you need to add more Arimidex or not. Goodluck. Hope I gave you some info.
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Lav3ga User profile Expert
Dude above is off. 1cc is 100mg. The prop is 100 mg per ml, so for 350 a week you will bang 1ml every other day. If you are going to run this for six weeks it`s actually (3. 5*6) or 21 total ml needed. Remember that you loose a bit of gear in the needle tips and left in the vial, so only consider a 10ml vial to provide 9ml of gear. I would get three vials and just run it out until the gear is gone, or stop at 6 weeks and save some for next time. Run some AI with this and you are good to go.
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ROBERT BERG User profile
1cc is indeed 100mg. Sustanon every other day is perfect. LAV3GA is spot on. Good luck
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donkeypunch User profile
Each bottle is 10ml or 10cc, most syringes are 3 to 5 cc, if you follow the cc markings on the syringe and your taking 1 cc shots. then you have 10 shots per bottle.
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BB89 User profile
You are going to need 2 vials and 6 weeks you`re going to have 200 mg left. Its 100 mg per milliliter or CC so if you want to get 100 mg of test p every other day, you should inject 1cc of test p every other day. I hope i made it clear, good luck
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anon5_uk User profile Expert
6 weeks x 300 mg = 1800 mg total, which is 18 mL, which means you need 2 vials (10 mL each). You draw to 1 mL on your 3 mL syringe (which is 1/3 of syringe capacity)
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How is the pip with GP test P? In general what is the best carrier oil that causes the least pip?
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Anonymous User profile
I have never tried GP`s test prop buy you have to know that Test p alone is know for giving pips
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GainsVille_85 User profile
Very minimal in my experience. GP is top notch. I would say MCT, but the solvent ratio may have more to do with the PIP
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N88 User profile
GP uses good carriers. The only way to know is to try it out. I know cyp at higher concentrations adds a little PIP vs the same brand`s with lesser concentrations. Recommend sticking with known brands with reviews on PIP and trying it out.
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Mike Jones User profile Expert
Prop will generally give pip but not as bad as sust I’d like to think they use mct like they do on a lot of their products I’d rate the pip on prop a 3 out of 10
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Micheal Ervin User profile
Prop will give a little pip and is proably sesame oil
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evan johnson User profile Expert
Geneza prop will give very little from my experience. The amount of carrier oil is more important than the type in terms of pip.
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So with prop 100 140mg would be 1. 4ml on a 3ml syringe and 70mg would be 0. 7ml?
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Greg Landes User profile
Yes, that is correct.
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N88 User profile
Yes absolutely. Hard to judge sometimes a . 7 or a 1. 4 since it`s kinda hard to to see those lines–for me anyway. I try to keep it all at 0. 5 on up in . 5 increments . .. I guess I feel like its more accurate with my old eyes.
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RJB User profile
Yes you are correct in your math. .. .
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Don O User profile Expert
Yes on both accounts, your math is correct.
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anonymous User profile
Yup you got it right, its always go to double check with other
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Anonymous User profile
Your math is correct
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What would be the standard dosage of prop per week?
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smalldres User profile
It all depends on your overall goals and AAS experience. For a beginner 500mg/week dosed at 70-75mg ED or 140-145mg EOD. Make sure you have an AI on hand like arimidex or aromasin to control estrogen levels and a proper PCT to get your endogenousl testosterone levels within a normal range once you cease the cycle.
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ROBERT User profile
I personally was doing 100mg everyday then on Sundays taking my Sustanon 350. I might have gone a little over but my results were amazing. Also, as mentioned above make sure you run proviron and proper PCT. Good luck!
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Greg Landes User profile
The standard dosage of test propionate would be 400 mg per week, taken at doses of 100 mg at a time. Test prop is a short ester, meaning that it’s half life is short and needs to be taken more frequently to keep blood plasma levels high.
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Lav3ga User profile Expert
If this is one of your first cycles. 350ml a week will deliver some solid results, with low probability of sides. It makes it super simple as well. Just bang 1 ml every other day. If after a month you want to bump it up, just go to 1. 2 ml (420 mg a week). I would take . 5 ml arimedex with every other shot as well(every four days).
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Phillip User profile
This depends completely on goals, but dosages are usually 400-700mg/week. I wouldn`t recommend 700 if you`re new to it. I have run it at 100mg every other day. . 400mg per week essentially with fantastic results!
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RJB User profile
Like stated to make it easy do 1ml EOD and you will see good solid gains. Most run between 400-700 and again if this is your first cycle keep at low end and less likely for sides. ..
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If i wanted to average 500mg weekly injecting EOD how much would i inject per pin
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GainsVille_85 User profile
Roughly 140 mg/ every other day would equal out to 500mg/wk over 2 weeks.
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TT KK User profile
With test prop you should micro dose everyday, otherwise you get massive spikes which is not good for anything. You want a consistent test level in blood
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Dkim101 User profile
That is a lot to jumpstart what you’re doing but obviously ur going to do what I want I’d highly recommend 125 cc 5x a week: 125 Sunday :125 Tuesday :125 Thursday And Saturday as well that’s a total of 500Most importantly use diff spots and do not continue to use this high of a dodge for more tha n a week maxAnd hope to god u have an anti-etrogen highly recommend geanza anavar . Be safe it may take some time a few weeks but better be safe then sorry ! Goodluck hope this may have helped
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Mike Childs User profile
Most people don’t run Prop quite that high but if you want to average weekly then just do simple math. Technically it would be divided by 3. 5 or 142. 857mg per shot. So to make a long story short there is no exact science to it. so to make a long story short there is no exact science to it. You should be going with what your body tells you and not based on what someone else said works for them. If you truly want stable blood levels I would does Prop every day.
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smalldres User profile
07ccl=70mg every day or 1. 4cc=140mg EOD will both equal out to about 490mg a week.
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I`m getting ready to run an 8 week cycle and only using test prop 100 every other day will an insulin needle work
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john smith User profile
No. I`ve never seen anyone inject test with insulin needle. Insulin needle is 31G(way too small) get a 25G. You won`t feel anything and you still can draw with it
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RJB User profile
No No No. .. .. Insulin needle should not be used!!! Those are for Sub injections, you need to go IM. So I would suggest a larger needle for your draw and a 23x 1. 5″ for your injection. Insulin pins are for like Hcg, Hgh…. Hope this helps.
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drlsuper87 User profile
Needle size (gauge) is somewhat relative and can vary, within a certain range, from person to person. The lower the gauge the thicker the needle, 21 ga will be thicker than 29 ga. I personally do just fine with drawing with a 23 or 25 gauge, and I inject with a 26 gauge. How long the needle should be will vary based on your size in the particular injection spot. I am fairly lean, and so I inject with an inch long needle, but if you have more body fat it may not work out. If you give your current stats and kind of generally what you look like then we`d be able to help more extensively.
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SocalJuicer User profile Expert
While in theory you can heat the oil, purchase extra long insulin syringes, and inject in sites like deltoids and quads, you are really over complicating a simple procedure. I have heard of people using “slin pins” but have never done so myself. I would strongly suggest just buying 3ml luer lock syringes, and a 100 count box of 25 gauge / 1 inch needles – both items will run you less that $15 total. Always draw with a used needle, then put a fresh one on right before injecting.
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Don O User profile Expert
No insulin needles wont get the job done, youll want to get something like a 25g needle at 1-1. 5 inches in length for your test prop cycle.
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ltl trucker User profile
IM (intra-muscular) vs Sub-Q (subcutaneous or beneath the skin into fat). While IM has been the most popular and widely known method (and totally fine if you prefer) recent studies have shown Sub-Q injections to be just as effective with the added benefit of an easier injection with less potential pain or discomfort.
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Can you run prop at 125mg EOD for 14 weeks? Or is that too long? Looking at Superdrol the first 6 weeks with it.
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Lav3ga User profile Expert
That is a long run for prop. I would use a longer ester personally. Not to say it can`t be done. I`m also not a fan of long blasts of super drol as it makes me feel like shit. If you run that long make sure you run a sold PCT with some SERMS and HCG at the end.
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Matthew User profile
If you plan to cycle on and off prop for 14 weeks is not too much. Full blast cycles for maximum effects tend to go up to 20 weeks. Superdrol for the first 4-6 weeks would be a nice boost in the beginning. Superdrol is quite lover toxic so I wouldn’t run it for more than 6 weeks. As for the test however, if you are coming in and off and plan to post cycle I’d say your best bet is to do it for a maximum of 20 weeks minimum of 10 weeks b
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D-man User profile Expert
I agree with the previous reply. There would be no benefit to running prop instead of Enanthate or Cypionate. I have never used Superdrol, but from everything I have heard most people stop at 4 weeks, because that is as long as they can handle the sides.
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evan johnson User profile Expert
It really depends on the dosing, but no I don`t thing that at the standard 100mg eod prop dose that 14 weeks is too long. The main issue is that 6 weeks of superdrol may be too long and I think you should only do that at 4 weeks tops since it is one of the harshest compounds on your liver and your body as a whole.
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Don O User profile Expert
If you like pinning yourself or prefer the feeling of propionate to a longer ester than you certainly can. Most people will use a longer ester but its mostly a convenience thing. Kicking off with superdrol is fine, itll make you really strong and full right off the bat.
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SocalJuicer User profile Expert
Might as well use a long ester such as enanthate or cypionate if your going to run a long cycle. 14 weeks is an acceptable cycle duration, but most will say that results will plateau hard in week 10-12. As previously mentioned, make sure you run a legit PCT for at least five weeks when coming off a long cycle like that – good luck!
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I’ve been told many pro!s use prop. Right up to the show , that it doesn’t wake you hold water ? Because it’s in and out. Fast acting, or fir a show is Test suspension a better move for me
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Anthony Shaw
Most of them would discontinue it 1-3 weeks before the show and stay on moderate dosages of tren and mast plus some orals. The reality is you don`t need orals (except AIs may be) either. Check Matt Porters youtube channel. He was prepping and competing on 50mg tren ace only.
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evan johnson User profile Expert
Test of any ester is generally taken out right before a show for less water retention.
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Storm User profile
Most of competitors including me when we start getting ready for a show we start with Test E or Sustanon, then we switch to Test prop in about 8-12 weeks out. We actually switch all the components to short easter. This way we can control what gets in the body and if anything unexpected just stop using it and it gets out of the body fast. However, we cut test in about 2-3 weeks out avoiding water retention. Hope that helped.
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Tuser User profile
I would concur, I’ve run both enanthate and prop I get water retention from both but the prop is noticeably less. One route I’ve had success in, is lowering or tapering your test down to hrt levels 4-5 weeks out from there you still get the benefits of test, esp if you’re married or need to use your equipment. Once tapered to 100-150/wk you can easily drop lower or completely remove. susp May be an option but again I would start it 4×5 weeks out to sample its retention and effects on your physique.