I have this Bold200 and want to run a 12 week cycle at 400mg/ week. two times per week at 200 each. I have testProp and would like to use it with the EQ but I see that TestE is better for twice a week. Any thoughts on using TestProp for this cycle? Thanks
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JamesEarl User profile Expert
If you use testosterone propionate you should inject it at least once every 3rd day because it`s half life is short due to it having a short ester it`s in and out your system. Whether the enanthate, cypionate, sustanon based esters, or propionate esters the total amount of testosterone entering your blood is what matters. The only difference is some take 2 weeks to reach peak saturation whereas propionate for instance takes 3 or 4 days to reach full saturation. But after 2 weeks or so regardless of ester your saturation level will be the same as long as the same amount of testosterone is injected regardless of ester. With that out the way, you need to inject 600mg per week minimum of EQ because it takes that to have any noticeable effect and you must use it no less than 5 months if not 6 because it is slow quality gains and a shorter cycle will leave muscular gains in the table. Anyhow I hope it helps man. Good luck!
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anonymous_1212 User profile
Hello James, thank you for the question bro. Use Testosterone Propionate EOD max E3D because the half-life is between .8 to 1.5 days. This is of course depending on your bodies use of Testosterone, genetics and WO frequency and intensity.. If you are working out ED you may need EOD injections. Rotate the injection sites between 6 sites: right Gluteus Medius, Left Quad, Right Deltoid, Left Gluteus Medius, Right Quad, Left Deltoid. This will make it 12 days before you get back to the same spot (this will help a lot with oil build up and PIP). For the EQ it needs to be at least a 16 week cycle of minimum 500 MG a week. Let me know if that helps and I hope it does. Remember to vote and live well, be safe and good lift to you.
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crazy Dan User profile Expert
Test is test my friend!! With testP you just need to pin eod. but since you want to pin with EQ then pin e3d. EQ should be pin with testE because of the ester and half-life but nothing no other reason. Test 400mg a week and EQ 500mg a week. EQ due to it mild effect has to be pin more. Average dose is 600mg but 500mg will work. And it needs to be 16 weeks to fully get the benefit! So here the protocol, TestP pin 200mg e3d and EQ 250mg e3d. this is on the low dose end but it`s 6 days instead of 7 days. I recommend this due to testP. But to answer your question, testP is perfectly fine with EQ. Good luck buddy and don`t forget to vote.
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JD Cycle User profile Expert
Stick with cyp or enanthate. You have to pin prop EOD due to short ester halflife. Pinning the prop only twice a week will cause spikes and dips in blood test levels. Also, c9nsider running 800mg with Eq the first two wooks to preload, then drop to 400. Eq is one of the few that works better with a preload.
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Patriot_1234 User profile Expert
Realistically you can use any Test ester you want. Just ask yourself how many times a week you want to stick yourself. That said, it takes about 8 weeks for EQ to start to kick in. I dunno why, I`m not a scientist or anything, but just due to the nature of this compound, that`s how long it takes. So do yourself a favor and get some more and run it for at least 16 weeks or else you`ll probably regret not going longer. I personally would take the opportunity to get some Test E/C if you get more EQ so you can just make a nice twice weekly cycle, but whatever floats your boat it`s your choice. Good luck to whatever you want to do.
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JohnSmith User profile
Test prop has a half life of 1-2 days, and you`d have to pin every day or everyday for the duration of your cycle! If running a long cycle, choice a test with a longer half life like e or Cyp, as you have to pin it the same periods as Eq, every 3.5 days.
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Can I use same syringe to draw (draw only) GP Bold 200 , GP Deca 250 and Test Cyp. This is the draw syringe only. The actual pin syringe would be changed for each one.
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Roid_Head User profile Expert
Yes, that`s standard practice.
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crazy Dan User profile Expert
Yes you can buddy!! all the gear you`ve stated are oil base so they can be mix in one syringe. Everyone does this! And no need to change each time. Use a large pin to draw fir speed and when finished drawing swap with a thin pin to inject. this way it`s sharp and less “painful”. Good luck friend. Don`t forget to vote.
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EDubz User profile
As long as you use alcohol swabs on top of vial that`s fine. I use the same draw needle to draw from multiple vials, then put a new one on to inject.
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Traianos123 User profile
Yes u can, i think that all of us we do like this, use a larger pin for draw and a 23G for the injection.
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BillySantos User profile
Yeah you can, and you can mix any of your oil based anabolics together, just be sure to clean the top of your vials and needle after every draw.
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MichaelSmith User profile
Yes. Just be carful to keep it sterile in between. Don`t wipe the need with alcohol or anything like that. Just don`t let it come in contact with anything besides to tops of the two bottles which you would have already sterilized with alcohol.
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GregW User profile
Yeah of course! I always do that when I run my prop and equipoise. I just make sure not to set it down in between draws and I make sure my bottles are clean first
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What is the expiration date for this product ?
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crazy Dan User profile Expert
It`s on the the side of the vial. Both the batch number and expiration date. Just in case you going to ask, i have used vials that are 2 years old and they were still good. Just as long as you store your gear in a Cool Dry Dark place! Just in case you want to stock up. That being said, if it came to you expired, take a picture of the expired date and send it to 24roids Good luck buddy! Don`t forget to vote.
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Zilla User profile
The vial will have a lot # & expiration date. Usually you`ll have a cpl years.
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Swoleville User profile Expert
Its posted on the vial along verification numbers
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Traianos123 User profile
U cant know that from before, only when u get it u can find the expiration date on the side of the vial. Dont worry to much about that, for sure u will use the gear before will expire.
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Jogger User profile Expert
Check the vial bro if you bought it, it’s usually 1-3 years after purchase date in my experience, good luck
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nickname_311 User profile
Check on the vial but most of the stuff I`ve been getting has been good for about a year to come. Even if it gets outdated I`d still use it stored properly
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anonymous_1212 User profile
Hello Abdelazizhaikal, I just got in some of my GP Primobolan and it is dated until October (10) 2024. Which this is really good for me because I bought a lot of it and I have plenty of time to enjoy it. Stay healthy, safe and live well bro! Please up vote for Q&A and for Product of The Week!
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looking to run eq for 16-20 weeks through both a bulk and cut. can i safely do this?
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Juice World User profile
that is perfectly fine it is an effective compound to run through both, and will beenfit you.
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Turducken User profile
yes if you are taking this in a moderate range of 500-600mg you will be ok. id suggest donating a few pints of blood before starting your cut.
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Simpleton User profile
yes, eq is intended to be run over the course of a very long time do to its long half life, and can assist in both a bulk and cut cycle.
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FatDadstack User profile
turd is right good and affective. For cut and bulk with proper diet.
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jenna User profile
i normally run my bulk right into my cut and preps. eq is definitely an underutilized drug when doing so. its designed to run for a long time, and help stimulate appetite while bulking and allows for lean gains while dieting.
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Viking blood User profile
certainly, and most people have and will tell you to run eq for atleast that long. without knowing your other compounds ill give a vague supportive yes.
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This will be my 4th cycle. I want to run EQ 600 per week for 20 weeks. Should I follow Test E at 500 per week for 20 weeks also? I appreciate your advice. Thank you
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Kbird User profile
You could easily run both at those dosages for that length of time but would find it better to lower your test for 8 weeks and add in another compound to cycle with each half.
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AAS Gains User profile
that is a great long cycle. Definitely make sure to donate blood every 7-8 weeks though. You`d also get great athletic benefits of cruising with some anavar in there for 6-7 weeks 1-2 times
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ThePony User profile
You could blast test for 8, go down to 200 for 4 and blast again for 8. Or the whole 20. As long as you`re pushing training and your diet to utilize it all the way theough
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Cory s User profile
This is my go to. I normally blast test and Eq for 16-20 weeks and add ina. Bulking compound for the first half and a cutting drug the last 8. Npp and Tren and mast
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Simpleton User profile
this a good overall athletic cycle but can be fairly long and taxing if not necvesary. If shorten it to 16
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Turducken User profile
You could run test at 200-1000mg. Up to you, your goals, and experience. 20 weeks seems long if not prepping for something.
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How long do I need to run this, to get its effects?
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BOld User profile
I always suggest running ew for a minimum of 12 weeks. I often start it in a cruise or after a blast. it has a very long half life and doesn`t show its true effects until much later in a cycle.
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Turducken User profile
I suggest you run Eq for the duration of anyone one compound 8 weeks, and after. It can be run alone through a cruise or alongside test at any dose. I always run it for 16-20 weeks.
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Kbird User profile
Eq has a very long half life and needs to be run a long time to get its effects. Id run it for 12-16 weeks, at any given time.
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john smith User profile
I agree with the previous answers. eq has a long haf life and has better effects on athleticism and lean mass over 12-20 weeks.
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bold User profile
as youve been told and answered EQ has a long half life and should run over 500mg for 16 weeks.
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angel User profile
I always run eq for the duration of my bulk and cut, and pull it the last few weeks of completion.
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To start I`m a repeated customer for several years now and have always been very pleased with products and shipping time. With this being said I placed an order first week of march 2020, with the current situation that has took hold of our country`s is it likey that customers will receive their orders or will it be sent out after everything has settled down?
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Dan User profile Expert
I place an order recently. I receive half already due to 2 different labs. I would not worry about what`s going on. A week delay maybe due to less worker but it cargo not human moving around.
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jason User profile
I placed an order march 8th and it shipped about a week later. It was for Geneza and dragon products. I`m guessing it`s going to depend on what brand you ordered.
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Joey gabagoo User profile
Yea u will receive but I`m sure they will be a little late but not sure how late cause I`m still waiting for two packages and there an hour away from me and held up in New York but there`s nothing we can do so just hang tight. Good luck
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Htown User profile
Hey Ronnie, I`ve placed 6 large orders this month. I`ve received 2 so far, other 4 are on the way. 1 sat in customers for a week. But all is well and everything is fine!
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Big Dogg User profile
I ordered and was shipped from Ukraine Feb. 25th. Just hit customs in the US yesterday. I would give it 30 to 45 days before you open a ticket. It will either make it or be seized and 24roids will take care of it. Some European countries are starting to shut down shipping. I know Moldova, Estoria for sure there was a list about 12 countries. None that I`ve ever had shipments from 24roids tho.
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nickname_464 User profile
I placed an order 1/31 and still have not recieved it. I have been with 24roids for a couple years now and this if the first time something like this has happened. So in still hopeful I`ll get some kind of an answer soon. Their customer service has always been top notch.
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ordered some EQ200 and didnt look at exp date. Stored it for about 6 months and just started cycle.Noticed that it expired exactly 1 year ago of 2/19. Im using it anyways but wondering if the strength will be diminished being a year exp? Stored in cool dry safe.
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Zach Linder User profile Expert
you`ll be fine. you won`t see a difference. good luck
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Drew User profile
It may be alittle under doses by now due to being expired for a year but you can just up your dose a bit and you`ll be fine.
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Will User profile Expert
It takes awhile for gear to lose its concentration and effectiveness. Even if it did, it hasn`t been long. If you are bothered by the expiration date, you can submit a 24roids support ticket.
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Taylor User profile
It should be fine, you wont notice a difference.
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Bearcan1 User profile
Probably less than optimal but still should be fairly good. Not dangerous in any way.
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Tjp User profile
You should be fine I highly doubt it affected the strength
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To 24roids Admin,,Let`s get a new pic contest going, Let`s Crown a Miss 24roids 2020,What contest would you guys like to see ran?? That has not been done here befor?
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Dromeo User profile
The last contest was pretty damn good. Got to see some beautiful ladies and all their lady parts.
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Juice24roids User profile Expert
Hey Swole, I agree on a new picture contest. I`m all for the best ass category. Miss Slim Thick, best glutes, best yoga pants… something like that. Thanks for the suggestion
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Swoleville User profile Expert
I support that notion. Also would like to see products on the best before list. I grabbed a bunch of items off that list before
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JD Cycle User profile Expert
You`d probably have better luck speaking with 24roids It`s mostly customers here in these threads.
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JB205 User profile Expert
Hell yes. I`ve been waiting for another picture contest. They need to find away to control some of the cheating this time.
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Dan User profile Expert
Yes please 24roids. Another contest!!
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EQ 400 mg – Deca 500 mg – Primo 350 mg – Test 600 mg per week, 1.5 mg of AI. First cycle just started this cycle 2 weeks ago, been on TRT 3 months. Trained natural 20 years, Ive gotten stronger, harder, and more vascular in the short time. Plan on a 15 week run. Is this cycle over kill. Have anyone done this or something similar cycle? Any suggestions?
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Lorddrip User profile
For your 1 cycle ever or is this like your 3rd 4th one many will say overkill I`m sure but it`s your body man good luck
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Juice24roids User profile Expert
Hey Slim, it`s pretty aggressive for a first cycle. You can get great gains from less then slowly bump it up in future cycles so as not to desensitize your body. EQ needs a good 20 weeks to see the full benefits and I believe in running it at 600mg/week. Your primo isn`t going to do much of anything with the other compounds stealing the show. I would save the primo for a TRT enhancement while cruising and bump up the EQ for the blast cycle. Test at 500mg/week is plenty and ai as needed. Blood work is the best way to know if you need an ai or caber from the deca increasing prolactin. Of course if your nips get sensitive or itchy you`ll want to start the ai at .25mg every few days and increase only if necessary. Good for you for training natty so long — I did the same. Thanks for the question
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Drew User profile
If this is your first cycle ever you are running way to many things a once first cycles should literally be test only maybe test and eq but all that with it is way over kill.
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Matthew User profile
Yeah! Overkill imo. First cycle and only 3 months on trt? 600mg test only a week plenty. Split in 2 with 300mg a pin. If any thing else add EQ at 500mf per week and 400mg of test. Have AI ready. Cycle should be 16 weeks minimal since eq takes 4-5 weeks to kick in. Even in you are not a novice m, eq, Deca , test and primo is overkill. That`s just me. Good luck.
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JD Cycle User profile Expert
That`s WAY too much for forst cycle. Get off everything except test and figure out how your body adapts. Only add one chemical per cycle. Think of it this way, if this is your first, what will your 5th look like?! You`ll gain about the same on that cycle as you would with Test only because your body can only add so much weight. You add too much muscle so fast you`ll seperate a tendon, which will put you further back than where you started. Some may be delicate, but I`m as subtle as a sledgehammer. This is a HORRIBLE idea for a first cycle.
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N88 User profile
Way way overkill! You are limiting your end game results by taking so much the first go. The goal is to take the least amount of gear while getting good gains. You shot right to the top so now you`re gonna have to up the dose and sooner vs later you`ll be topped out.
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Ok so here`s a follow up question to the one I just asked. Would Tren E, Mast, and Test E for 16 weeks be better for cutting or would Tren E for 12-16 weeks, EQ, and Test E for 20 weeks be better for cutting while gaining lean mass? I was intending on hitting all 4 gears but I`m not trying to waste anything here either. Opinions please….!
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Tom User profile Expert
You are always going to put on some fat on a bulking cycle because of the surplus calories you taking in. Its just the nature of the cycle. That`s why you do bulking cycle and then a cutting cycle. If you insist I like the Tren, EQ and Test better for bulking.
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Blaha User profile Expert
Test tren mast is way better for cutting eq really make s me hungrey I dont know why but it`s hard to be in a deficit. Plus tren and mast will harden you up alot more I would start test tren then ad mast 4 weeks later til you run out I like to overlap gear my self to stretch out cycle and introduce the new compound half way through or so. Save eq for a slow lean bulk next time
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Dr Scott User profile Expert
Same thing I said the first time you asked this , the first 3 tren/mast/test add 50-100 or oral winny for a pop. EQ is a great drug and I know what the write ups say about it being possible for a cutting drug. EQ makes me and most every I know hold water, so save it run it with some deca and or dbol/anadrol. Also, i`ve been using tren for many many years and have never had it cause my cardio to go down, i frequently do sprints as part of my cardio, and nothing, no reason it should-it raises HCT, HMG and RBC`s it should raise endurance if anything. No reason tren should act exactly the opposite from every other AAS. but i can tell you this, if you believe in your heart that it will lower your cardio–it will, Anyhow, not your question but slow down like others have been saying unless you are a competitive body builder at an elite level no reason to run 4-5 injectables at a time just a waste of money at best and opening yourself up to additional sides at worst.
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Unc33135 User profile
The mast option i would go with to cut. But u could still do it with eq. Your diets going to be the main factor. Eq will give u steady lean gains. Your not going to bloat from it. I think either option would he a good choice but again if i had to choose if go with the mast.
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Matthew User profile
So here is my answer to your last question but I was too late. It also answer this question as well:You want bulk and also try EQ?? So just do Test and EQ. Drop Tren. And also Mast. You either bulk up or lean out. You really can`t do both. Going from your cycle discription i rec go with 500mg testE and 600EQ. No need to frontload. 20 weeks is perfect. Then pct. in spring on next cycle testE 500mg and Tren 400mg. No need for all the gear and keep it simple. That`s just me. Oh btw vote for EQ500 so you can stock up. Trust me you going to love EQ!
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John Rambo User profile
You could probably do just fine with the test tren and masteron. Eq on top is quite a bit of gear. Idk if you want to run that much and for 20 weeks. That`s a long time man. I would consider leaving the eq off and shortening the cycle
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Trying to get an in depth opinion on adding EQ to my cycle. Currently going to run 500 mg test E, 400 mg Mast, and 600 mg Tren E for 20 weeks followed by proper PCT protocol. The EQ would be run at 400-500 mg for the full 20 weeks. Any thoughts, changes, feedback would be greatly appreciated. I`m looking to build lean mass while shedding body fat. My thoughts are that while Tren kills your cardio, EQ boosts it making it something of a happy medium. Also, any thoughts on front loading anything on this cycle? Bot a bigginer, just never added EQ to this cycle before. Have done other cycles in the past and will be second round on test, mast, and tren for 20. Thanks in advance.
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Big Dogg User profile
Unless you are already 8% or less and have a reason you need to be lower, I would drop the Mast. Run the test and EQ for 20 weeks, add the Tren after 10 weeks to finish. Or run the tren for the first 10 weeks then add Winstrol or Tbol for the last 6 weeks. Dont run Tren for 20 weeks!
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Anonymous User profile
I feel like you should run the cycle without it since you are already running tren and mast and for 20 weeks so I don`t think you`d really need EQ, but if you feel good and you feel like you need it then go ahead but keep it at a medium dose and be careful! But also don`t waste it at really low doss cuz it wont do shit! Best of luck
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Pincushion User profile
I think that`s a pretty decent dose for your cycle. Usually people run EQ much higher, but since it will be complimenting masteron and tren I would keep it at that amount. Just remember that eq makes some people (myself for sure) crazy hungry, which can make dieting or getting shredded a little more difficult. But yeah at that amount you should add some nice lean mass and improve your cardio too. Plus eq makes me feel fantastic. When I run it with test and a little deca I feel like a million bucks. Good luck brother
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Juice24roids User profile Expert
I like adding eq to any cycle. I wouldn`t count on the cardio increase of eq negating the cardio decrease from tren. This just doesn`t happen in my experience and the tren definitely takes over. Tren seems to make itself the star of any cycle. Thanks for the question
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Tom User profile Expert
I like to run EQ much higher, and based on my experience front loading makes a noticeable difference. I run 800mg a week along with 500mg of test e a week for 16 weeks. On the first dose I pin 1500mg to front load. There is no point taking Mast the entire cycle, you can finish off the last 8 weeks on mast but taking it for 20 weeks while you are bulking is kind of a waste. My suggestion is increase the EQ to 800 a week and lower the Tren e to 400mg a week.
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verve User profile
Someone asked this questions yesterday, and the bottom line is that your suggesting running over 2000mg of gear per week, with many would say is an out of balance risk and reward. Why not skip the masteron, and lower the test dosage to maintenence (200mg per week)?
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Having problems sending money gram. Money gram is denieing to send money to receivers names I have tried 3 different receivers they wouldn`t send to any.I was told to tryRia money transfer.Has anyone used this and are you having problems with Ria
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YD1 User profile
Whats up man. Are you doing this online? If so its best to fisicly go to your local MG or RIA. You wont have any problems that way. Many ppl had this problem by using MG, WU and RIA online. Good luck.
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Trenbologna Sandwich User profile
I had this problem as well. I tried to do moneygram when western union went down last week. I had been telling myself that I wasn’t tech savvy enough to do bitcoin but after I sat down and got an app downloaded it really was the easiest way to go and payment was accepted 30 minutes later I would really recommend giving it a try it is what I will be using from now on.
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patsalos mixalis User profile
Try coinbase for bitcoin man, much easier, there are many videos on youtube.
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traianos123 User profile
make your payment with Bitcoin, much more easy and fast, try Binance( open account and deposit funds, then buy Bitcoin), the payment is more easy more fast, anonymous, instantly, good luck!!
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nickname_537 User profile
If you physically go to MG you`re g2go I`ve never had a problem but only online.
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skitt User profile
I use money gram and never have had an issue but I just go to my local Walmart and its were it needs to go in 10 minutes… I thought about the app but reading others comments here I might be second guessing that lol good luck bro
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Is anyone having problems withRia money transfer?
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YD1 User profile
What type of problems are are you having with Ria? Have you contacted 24roids regarding the issue? Maybe someone can advise a fix if you say tge problem thats happening.
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Chris McKinney User profile
It was down at the place I usually use it but looked up an alternate and everything went fine. I had to call a few as some spots listed on the ria site no longer offered the service. Found one about 10 minutes from me though.
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jogn d User profile
Try coinbase for bitcoin man, much easier, there are many videos on youtube.
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traianos123 User profile
Make your payment with Bitcoin, more easy and fast, i like to use Binance ( open account and deposit funds, then buy BTC or LTC), the payment is more easy more fast, anonymous, instantly, good luck!!
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nickname_537 User profile
Yes with online. But in person no.
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skitt User profile
Cant say that I am as I have not used Ria but not long ago I was asking about it to find out how it worked… Keep us updated as I would like to know how it works or I`ll just have to do my research… Ive been using money gram for last 5 years and never had a problem… good luck man
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I`ve read that while testosterone builds/strengthens muscle that it weakens ligaments, however that EQ strengthens ligaments I believe because it enhances collagen. Is this true? If so wouldn`t including EQ (or other roids like Primo, Anavar, Nandrolone, all of which build collagen) be good to prevent injuries from muscles tearing weakened tendons off?
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patsy User profile
Test does not weaken ligaments but some compounds are harsh on the joints sometimes like winstrol.
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YD1 User profile
Hey. I can definitely tell you that out of the 21 years on trt and several cycles here and there it never messed with my ligaments ir anything else. Yes there are some aas out there that messes with it but i never heard anyone bitch that testosterone made ligaments feel bad. Good luck.
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JD Cycle User profile Expert
Test doesn`t “weaken” the ligaments, but it strengthens the muscle at rate the ligaments and tendons struggle to keep up with. So the muscles harden and grow faster than the tendons and ligaments. I`ve read some stuff saying the extra red blood cells from EQ can assist in tendon recovery, but I have read more saying the effect is so minimal it`s not noticable. The important thing to note is that you have to take care of the 1 body we`re issued. Deca has a “soothing” feel on the joints, but it`s lubricating basically, not repairing.
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Bignatty User profile
It won’t weaken your ligaments. They just won’t progress as fast at the rate of muscle mass you’re putting on you can add other compounds to help with certain things but regardless your ligaments and tendons need to time play catch up which is why a lot of people get injured. Because the strength is far based the capacity of the ligaments
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Mr.smith User profile
Test is natural in your body. It doesn’t weeken ligaments. What happens is people get super strong super fast and their ligaments can’t keep up and that’s how you get injured. That’s why most people on gear don’t lift as heavy as they can, sets of 12-15 reps keep the weight low and are better for ligaments. Don’t 1 rep max all the time just cause your feeling like Superman.
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RJB16 User profile
No worries about the ligament, when you are getting bigger and gaining strength at an accelerated rate it may put strain on them …..
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sorry i made a mistake on that last answere, i read it wrong. but go with eq
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Growbygrow User profile
All good .thanks for the input
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Matthew User profile
I think he got it. EQ it is. So can we vote for DragonEQ500 next week ?? 🙂
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Juice24roids User profile Expert
Thanks for clarifying and thanks for the question
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Swoleville User profile
I have ran decca a few times in the past. Never have cycled with eq but I`m very intrigued with the answers
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SteveC User profile
Eq is one of my favorite bulking compounds, if not my absolute favorite (never used tren yet). It makes it so I can shovel down the insane amounts of food that i need go truly grow. Love EQ and it`s in every one of my bulking cycles now!
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LongIslandBEAST User profile
I agree go with EQ. I’m currently using GP Bold 200 and it’s great quality but man I wish I got something more strong like Dragon EQ500. Pinning that much oil twice a week is a literal pain in the ass. 3mL both times. But that’s just me complaining. Test/EQ cycles are high quality in my opinion and pretty safe to run.
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First cycle. I`m on Dr prescribed TRT, 200mg cyp, 50×2 HCG, +1mg anastrazole (pretty sure on the numbers, but I`m at work). They seem to send me an extra 2 shots of test, so I took 2 shots for two weeks straight and I fucking loved it. That`s why I`m here. I`m not looking to go crazy, but fuck it, you only live once. I`m ordering 250 Test A and 200 Equipoise plus some additional Arimidex. Does the cycle make sense? And I assume I should shoot the Test 2x per week. What about the Eq? How much additional Arimidex should I start with?
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Zach Linder User profile Expert
It would help us if we knew what doses you plan to run with each compound. But, if it`s your first cycle, I would stick with test only. You will make significant gains with a test only cycle say 350mg – 400mg per week (much different than trt)….if you choose to add the EQ, it will take a much longer amount of time for the compound to start working. Usually 8 – 10 weeks before you see anything, so expect to extend the length of your cycle to maybe 14 – 16 weeks rather than a standard 12 week cycle… EQ also needs to be ran at a higher dose to fully reap the benefits from it (400mg – 600mg per week). You can stack the EQ and Test together in the same injection, this will save you a headache from having to pin twice in one day. With the AI..it really depends on the individual. A good rule of thumb would be to take .5mg of Adex EOD or E3D…..but you may not need it so frequently…you may need it more frequently. I would advise getting pre-cycle, mid-cycle, and post cycle blood work to monitor your levels…but seriously, I would strongly consider a TEST ONLY cycle if it`s your first time. Good luck
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Dr.leo Marvin User profile
Many people start with .5 arimadex every other day and bump it up to 1.0 every other day if you feel any tenderness around the nips. You don’t want to take more than that and tank your estrogen.
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N88 User profile
I recommend just bumping up on test only…go 400 mgs a week for 12-14 weeks. Add EQ the next cycle …pin eq and test e or c together twice a week.
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Matthew User profile
Yeah. Welcome to the world of aas! But take it easy. Unless you already big lean and workout all the time I suggest you just do testE only. 200mg per pin twice per week like you`ve just described. TestE takes 4-5 weeks to kick in. R you sure it`s testE you feeling or it`s placebo. Regardless test will give you a great outlook in life as well so good for you! EQ should be save at cycle 4. Reason is let testE take your to where you can`t gain mass and strength. Then add EQ to take it to the next level. Also run testE only to make sure your body react to test I. A positive way; no sides and gyno etc. run testE for 16 weeks. Since you on trt no worries about pct. lower testE down to 200mg per WEEK. If you add EQ now. Run it 500mg per week split it like testE. Draw in same syringe. Both kick in same time. Eq will get you super big and lots of Vains. Your endurance will increase dramatically. Be smart running gear! Doing it right will give you a positive outcome. Doing it incorrectly could ruin your health.
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RJB16 User profile
Agreed, when running you can draw 1 cc of each in a pin switch to a different pin that is new and inject. Do that twice a week for 12-14 wks and you will be very happy. Pct stuff is always good to have on hand just in case and side pop up…. good luck
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Anonymous User profile
If it’s your first I would reccomemd starting at 400-500mgs. I just finished my first cycle a couple of weeks ago and I had great fucking results. I put on about 25lba and felt great. Best of luck mate
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I have cycled in the past. Rt after summer because I`m to busy and tired. This is my first time taking 2 different kinds at once. Looking to take GP Bold 200, GP Test E 250. How much of each should I take twice a week. I also have GP Anastrozole. My testosterone is 348 and they said it`s to high to get medical help so I`m back agine. I`m 53 5`11″ 210lbs.
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Manster User profile
Id run the test at 500 mgs a week and the bold at 400 mgs a week seeing as it`s your first time stacking. These are solid doses so your results will be nice if you diet and train well.
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Drew User profile
Test 250 twice a week bold 200mgs eod arimidex.5mgs eod
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Johnny Longsockz User profile
I agree with Drew on this one. Start it off nice and slow and bump it up if you feel the need to
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anonymous255 User profile
I would inject 125mg of test with 200mg of eq every 3.5 days and take .5mg adex with these injections.
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Fit_mom User profile
Dr.`a are so lame about where low t is. They group every man into the range and dont determin what is beat for the individual. My hubby is at 310 and they say he`s ok. But when you want to feel better they puss out and wont give you test. Because test makes everyman ans woman feel better. So 500 test a week and 400eq. Make sure to eat since the eq helps with protien conversion. You may need an ai mainly for the test but arimidex on hand would be food to have. Btw eq was made for horses. Interesting drug. Good luck.
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anon5_uk User profile Expert
I`d run EQ higher than test, EQ 500-800 mg/week and test at 300-500 mg/week. Great choice on the lab though, I`ve tried both EQ and test from them and they are good quality, low PIP.
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Just noticed 3 out of the 4 bottles I bought have the expiration date of 02-19 and only one bottle has 12-22. Are the 3 bottles in that have an expired date still be good and if so will the potiency still be as good? I’m starting my cycle tomorrow which will consist of 500mg of Test Cyp a week and 500 mg of EQ a week, 30mg is dbol a day for 4 weeks and also proviron 50mg a day from day one until 16 weeks are over. Last 6 weeks I will be taking anavar to clean everything up. Any advice, recommendations or concerns please advise. Thanks
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anon5_uk User profile Expert
If you bought a product that is 7 months past expiry date, you need to contact 24roids directly to resolve this matter.
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nickname_220 User profile
I would definitely contact 24roids and send them a picture. They will probably send you a new bottle. 24roids is awesome like that lol. Ill never go anywhere else for gear
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Tuck87 User profile
I have used gear a few years past expiration and was still just as good it takes a long time after exp to lose even a little potency but would defiantly contact maps you shoudnt be payimg full price for expired gear and cycle looks pretty good make sure you have all cycle saport ai,liver seaport ext
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evan johnson User profile Expert
Yes they should be fine. It may lose as a little potency but you can compensate by upping your dose accordingly.
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Name User profile
Injectable oil based steroids have been proven to maintain potency well beyond the printed expiration dates as long as they are not stored in direct sunlight. Don’t worry, you are good!
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nickname_610 User profile
You are good to use it. However you can contact 24roids and get a new one anyway and keep the expired one which you can use as well.
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For the previous person who asked if this expired product has happened before. I just recently received five bottles of this EQ and it was expired as of 02/2019. I submitted a ticket to 24roids and have yet to hear back from them but I assume they have to replace it. I spend a lot of money here and don’t want any expired products even if they are probably good to go. They have an expiration date for a reason and that’s because you aren’t supposed to sell old gear which is what they did. I’m sure it’s a problem with Geneza and not the website but still. Anyone have this happen and if so what did 24roids do? Only other time I had a problem was some Oxygen Pharma Aromasin that was to expire in September and I ordered it in August so it’s basically expired and 24roids didn’t do anything, not replaced or credited which made me very mad. That stuff is expensive and I don’t want expired pharmaceuticals. They really need to fix this problem and make sure their distributors know they can’t ship expired products. I even said I would prefer a different brand like SIS or Aaster if they can’t guarantee Geneza isn’t shipping expired products. Let’s see what happens I guess.
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N88 User profile
I had an almost expired NPP and no replacement due to it not being expired yet. Ended up taking it after the expiration but expected a replacement regardless. If your case they need to fix it by replacement with a non expired product. Please let us know what 24roids does to fix this.
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Beard User profile
Have me checking all my stuff lol, I bought a ton of GP last month just to stock up when they had a sale n i didn`t check all of the dates. But otherwise I haven`t had a expiration issue in the past
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YD1 User profile
I`ve been noticing this problem has happen to several buyers lately. I hope you get this issue resolved. I myself would be upset. Good luck bud.
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Jaris User profile
Yeah man, fight for yourself, just contact support few more times, and I think it should be resolved.
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Nipt87 User profile
You shoudnt be receiving Expired products unless it states it before hand they have a best before sale section just for that reason
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nickname_537 User profile
Its seems you need tp notify 24roids which from what yiu states already was done. 24roids will give you a solution (replace, or credit) don`t worry.
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This is the second vile I`ve gotten from them that has been expired. Anybody else having this problem? Just seems to be on the eq.
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evan johnson User profile Expert
No I have not had that problem but it shouldn`t lose too much potency so you are good to go with it anyway.
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nickname_464 User profile
Wow I find this hard to believe. Geneza Pharmaceuticals is my go to lab and I always buy more than I usually need because products have always been dated out, eq included. Make sure your reading it right and check with manufacturer Web site for verification. Otherwise always submit a ticket to 24roids help amd someone will respond within 24 to 48hrs. Best of luck.
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Will User profile Expert
I just received 6 vials of GP EQ and they have the exp date of 2022. Go to 24roids Support and start a ticket. They may refer you to another contact but they`ll take care of you and point you in the right direction.
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nickname_153 User profile
I have never had that problem. I also have never baugh eq from here though. Eq is not really that popular so that might be the reason why. I would contact 24roids and send them a picture they might send you a new bottle.
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John juan User profile
I’ve never received anything expedited from 24roids. Closest thing to that was the Dragon Cip that expedited in 8 months but all else is at least a year or two away from exoneration. I would definitely submit a ticket. Could just be an honest mistake that someone over looked the date on the bottle
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anon5_uk User profile Expert
No, my GP EQ had +1 year on the expiry that when I got mine. I am sure you can get your money back if you contact 24roids, unless you were aware of the close to expiry dates before purchasing this product (and bought under discounted price due to this).
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Hey Bros I am looking to place an order and would like to spread the love and use someone’s coupon code so they can get around $50 in rewards credit. Reply with your favorite Winter Bulking Cycle for an Intermediate User (5-9 cycles) along with your coupon code and I will use the code from the cycle I like the best.
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Skuchie User profile
It sounds like you’ve ordered b4, so you can’t use a rewards code if it’s not your first order, but I’d recommend Test Enanthate 250, every 5 days with Dragon Pharma Tri-tren 150 at .5cc MWF..good luck.
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Quick question; so I have a bottle it is a lot bigger than the usual from EQ/Bold(not from 24roids) and the Vial says 50ml/50mg.. how would that work? Would that be 10ML per cc?
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LongIslandBEAST User profile
Yes 50mg per 50mL is 1mg per mL so 1:1.
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Ryan User profile
Yup should just be 1mg/1ml
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Swoleville User profile
Yes. That`s a 1:1 ratio
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Mike Jones User profile Expert
I believe this would be an equine use vial of boldenone, which would be 50mg per ml with the ml amount being 50ml or 50cc so each ml or cc will be 50mg bringing the total mg count to 2500mg per 50ml
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anon5_uk User profile Expert
It`s most likely 50 mg/mL and you have 50 mL total, so it`s indeed a big vial. I doubt its 50 mg in the whole 50 mL. Mike Jones is correct, and the rest are wrong, as usual 🙂
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nickname_957 User profile
yes it should be good to go, 1:1 ratio so bigger bottle needed
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I was curious, has anyone ever taken this product recently and it made their head feel a little off and body kinda tingly? I saw somebody post about feeling high..and I have to somewhat agree..I have taken plenty tests, and Dbols and decas..but never eq..I dont know how he felt when he said “high” but I mean as in a head change, not high as in happy..and body feels weird, I have never has anything make me feel different before so wanted to ask if eq does that..giving me a little anxiety haha..only have take 1 shot of 150mgs only
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Beard User profile
I had never heard anything like this until u n the other guy brought it up. I have had an adrenaline rush when first doing it but nothing more. I had hgh make my abdomen tingle pretty much constantly but that`s the extent of anything even close to what you guys are describing.
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Jeff User profile
All I can think of is when I first started using and was nervous about it, I had it in my head that I felt something lol. But really I didn`t…lol
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Dan J User profile
That`s not a common side effect of EQ. Are you sure you didn`t experience these symptoms AFTER reading about that one guy thinking that he is getting high of GP products? Sounds placebo/nocebo. Unless you are sure it is actual EQ, send it to labs, many people would love to hear about the results should anything be off, including myself. I am sure people would chime in for the lab expenses if you do find anything off.
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Will User profile Expert
I`ve taken EQ from many labs and never had an issue with a “high” feeling or any kind of anxiety. I have heard of some suffering from anxiety while on EQ and other compounds, but EQ itself shouldn`t be triggering such a response.
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evan johnson User profile Expert
Feeling high is not one of the side effects of using EQ. However, I can attest to it causing some anxiety. All around EQ is pretty side effect friendly.
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ROBERT User profile
I`ve never felt “high” from EQ but have felt anxiety over the first two weeks
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I have asked a few questions on here and I appreciate all the great responses I have another very important question to ask I am on probation and I need to know if EQ or testosterone cypionate or D ball or Var or Tren or Clomid or nolvadex or Aromasin or Proviron will show up on a probation Urine test I would really appreciate any advice and comments if any of these will show up on a probation Urine test or any juice on 24roids for that matter.
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Micheal Ervin User profile
No. All probation drug tests are 9 panel urine tests that check for stuff like thc, benzos, meth etc. not peds. The only thing I’ve ever heard is that clen could potentially pop for a stim but this is anecdotal so who knows. Ped tests are usually blood tests that are very expensive and very specific. Now if you come in looking like a monster and they suspect it they could send a test but it’s very doubtful.
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Mike Jones User profile Expert
Most peds are sex hormone based or derivatives of sex hormones and will not show up on any normal drug test, probation drug tests are usually 9-12 panel tests that are checking for illicit substances and not peds so you should be good as far as gear and peds being in your system I’d stay away from blood tests unless it’s by your pcp that you asked for as Micheal stated ped tests are very specific and very costly because they have to be sent to a lab and your blood be broken down to find out what’s in the system
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evan johnson User profile Expert
No those tests are usually for recreational drugs and I would not be worried about having anabolics in your system if I were you.
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LongIslandBEAST User profile
I highly doubt your probation officer will be testing you for steroids, UNLESS you committed a steroids related crime, in which case he may get a special order to test you for such compounds, but I highly doubt this as it is very expensive. They mostly test for the we’ve major drugs/classes which are marijuana/THC, cocaine/crack, methamphetamines/amphetamines, heroin/opiates, benzodiazepines/sedatives, barbiturates, alcohol and I think that’s about it. “Street drugs” and prescription narcotics pretty much. By the way you DO have the right to ask what drugs you will be tested for. Ask this way you know the answer. Don’t feel bad asking because this only shows that you want to make sure you don’t take anything that will give you a positive drug test (meaning you were found to have drugs in your system). Many people have taken a drug test not realizing they tested for alcohol and they popped because they had a beer a day or two prior. Also some prescriptions and OTC compounds can lead to a positive so asking is always a good idea and it won’t make you look bad, just say you want to make sure you don’t take anything you aren’t supposed to.
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RJB User profile
No, as stated it is a panel 9 and tests for you recreational drugs and not PEDS. The stuff you will get and run from 24roids will not show on these panel tests.
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I have a question to ask about EQ. so I plan on running this on my next cycle along with Test Cyp 500 mg a week and I was just wondering about the dosage for EQ and for how long? This will be my first time running EQ I had somebody tell me that I need to stop my EQ a month before I stop my Test Cyp? Just curious why? So for example if I plan on running a 12 week cycle do I stop my EQ at week 8 and continue my Test Cyp until week 12? Is it real bad to run past 12 weeks? Maybe run 16 weeks, stop my EQ at week 12 and finish with Test Cyp until week 16? I already have one vail of EQ just not sure if I should order one more or two? Also I will probably kick start with oral Dbol for the first 4 weeks. Any advice or comments?
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evan johnson User profile Expert
EQ is a compound that needs to be run at high doses for long periods of time to see significant results. That being the case do not come off it after week 12 and run for 16-20 weeks in the 600-1000mg range.
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RJB User profile
Correct I have run EQ a couple of time and it is best when ran over 16-20 wks.
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Victor Nguyen User profile
EQ takes 4-5 weeks to kick in so to make better use of the time you are “on” our colleagues extend the cycle time a month more. This way you get more muscle mass, more pumping time. Recommended cycle length is 12-14weeks so going to 16 weeks is not that buggy and lots of our friends do. Stopping: when you end your cycle and start your pct, you wait 14 days to start your clomid. This will help kick start your natural test production. The reason why you wait to start your pct is because of half life of the hormone. For example, you don’t want to start your pct right after your pin because you just introduce aas in your body. That would be a waste since the hormones is at max concentration until it start to break down at half the concentration in 14 days. Please note that each hormones half life is different depends on the length of the ester. Both EQ and Cyp have Long ester. For example, acetate, propionate, Enanthate, cypionate, etc (short to long). This is your first eq so I stick with low concentration. I would stack Cyp 250mg and EQ at 100mg every 3days to keep it. Simple and blood concentration level with these 2 hormones. This means your your Cyp over 7 days or one week would be 583mg. EQ is 233mg. Keep eq low on your first eq cycle. When I started years ago I pin less than 200mg per week. Once it kick in you will be be a beast! I would not stack with anything else. EQ has no sides at this conc and all you worry is Cyp. Keep it simple. Be patience and dial your eq in. Less is more is what you hear our 24roids community say. Good luck my friend!!
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Lav3ga User profile Expert
It was probably me that told you to drop the EQ early. This is because it has a much longer Half-Life that testosterone. You need to give time for the hormones to clear before you begin PCT try to recover. Just like all the Bros will tell you to wait 2 weeks to start PCT after a test e cycle, to allow the hormones to clear. You need to do the same for your EQ it just takes over twice as long to clear. All that being said 10 weeks of EQ will be effective, 12 would be better. Remember that just because you didn`t pin the equipoise that week doesn`t mean it`s not still active. The drug is still effective for most of the month after your last injection. If I was you I would run 12 weeks of EQ, and 16 weeks of test. PCT start week 18.
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anon5_uk User profile Expert
A suggested beginner cycle with EQ is to only run it 8 weeks while running test for 12. You’ll also need to frontload EQ. Use also steady dose of Arimidex, stay in the horny range. Cut EQ before testosterone (4-6 weeks before) is so that EQ doesn’t mess with your PCT due to its long half-life. Dosages recommended are in the 400-600 mg/week range (while running test up to 500 mg/week). Going over 600 mg/week for EQ may actually be negatively-impacted. There is a sweet spot (around 400-600 mg/week). These high EQ dosages are recommended due to EQ having an active dose of only 61%. So you will need more than 1 vial for sure.
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Socaljuicer User profile Expert
To summarize – run EQ for long periods of time, 12 or more weeks. EQ is very mild, most (but apparently not all) will tell you that any dosage below 500mg per week is a waste, even if coupled with a 400mg test base. EQ takes longer to clear, so you DO in fact have to stop it 3-4 weeks before starting PCT, keep running testosterone until 14 days prior to PCT. EQ Frontloading is an option, simple take twice as much on your first shot to get to higher blood concentration levels sooner.
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I order ten of this 8 of them had a yellow tint to them and 2 had more of a clear tint just wondering y this would b
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Timothy User profile
It could be different batches that a different carrier oil was used or possibly a different concentration of the solute(EQ in this case) or solvent. It is unlikely that compounds that are manufactured in UGL`s are going to be the concentration advertised, this is to expected as there are too many variables that can manipulate it. Even pharmaceutical companies have a accepted standard deviation. Anyways, in my experience, the EQ that ive used has always been yellow. This is not to say that the more clear ones are less potent but i would watch for anything irregular(PIP, decrease/increase effects, etc. .. )
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Mike Jones User profile Expert
I’ve experienced this as well, the coloration of the product is due to the mixture of carrier oil and benzoyl benzonate almost all raw powders are white in color so it could be just different batches containing different mixtures with the same compound, check the vial they should have a batch number see if they match.
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J.P. User profile Expert
Likely it`s just a different carrier oil. It would be odd if the different colored vials possessed the same lot or batch number, but either way my guess is it`s nothing to really worry about. In fact, a lot of times when producing a chemical, especially something that goes through a reactor, you can have color variants despite using all of the same ingredients. Reblending, where they`ll take left over product from one batch and add it to another batch is pretty common after discovering a product fails to meet its color specs. Either way, while there is no simple way to determine the exact cause of the color variants in your product, it`s probably something as simple as the carrier oil.
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evan johnson User profile Expert
A different carrier oil may have been used. This is not something to worry about and you should use with confidence, particularly with a brand like geneza.
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RJB User profile
Look at the batch numbers, I wouldn`t worry to much the different color. Watch for the PIP, or anything irregular.
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Don O User profile Expert
Usually color variation in EQ just comes down to the carrier oil used, Geneza makes quality product so nothing to worry about.
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Need advice, I’m on week 6 of my test cyp doing 500mg a week. I just received my GP EQ 200 and planning on adding that with my test cyp every week at 300mg a week. I was only planning on doing a 12 week cycle which means that only leaves me with 6 weeks to run the EQ. Is that even gonna be long enough for it to be affective? I only ordered one vail which will probably only last me 5-6 weeks if that. Should I order another vail and how much longer should i lengthen my cycle? I just don’t want to over do it. Also adding proviron right now at 50mg ED. I am curious about Var and the benefits I could get from Var by adding that in also. Any thoughts on that? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank you
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drlsuper87 User profile
My advice would be stick it out with the test and finish out your cycle. Yes order more EQ, but wait until your next cycle, 6 weeks is way to short to run that compound. Var is a nice addition to a cycle, but it is expensive, so I would make sure you`ve got cycling down before you add it to a cycle, make your money count. One of a few rules I`ve picked up with running cycles is that you don`t start your cycle without already having everything you will need (all compounds desired to be run, proper AI, caber in some cases, and all your pct). May not be the answer you want to hear, but you will end up wasting less money just completing what you`ve got going already, and then running a better planned out cycle than if you try to keep making ends meet and keep trying to make up for this and that (usually ends up in less money and disappointment). Best of luck!
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Vincent Valentine User profile Expert
From what I can tell, you`ve already posted several questions on this site regarding anavar and many users (myself included) have already given you answers. If you`re going to add proviron to your current stack I wouldn`t recommend adding another oral compound. Even a compound as mild as anavar may stress your liver when combined with proviron (which is mild as well, but I`d play it safe). In any case be sure to take a liver protection supplement like milk thistle throughout the duration of your cycle, as well as get bloodwork done after your cycle has ended to ensure your liver is healthy. As far as the EQ usage goes, I agree with Drlsuper87 in that you should wait until you get more before running it. As I said in a previous answer to one of your questions, EQ should be taken longer than 6 weeks in order for noticeable gains to be made. And because I didn`t state this in my last answer, be sure to use an AI (like anastrozole) throughout the entire duration of your cycle in order to reduce excessive estrogen buildup in the body. Proviron acts as an AI, but it`s not a sufficient replacement for an AI – just wanted to clarify.
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Lav3ga User profile Expert
I would save the EQ. If you PCT you need to drop it a month before you stop your test. You just dont have enough time on your cycle. When you do, be prepared with 10 or 12 weeks worth of EQ at 500mg a week.
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Socaljuicer User profile Expert
Most people will tell you that you need to run equipoise for 14 weeks or longer, and at dosages of 400 to 600 mg or higher in order to be effective. This seems to be a hard and fast rule that few people disagree with, you would need to order at least 2 more vials to really run this compound. Anavar is certainly a viable option for the end of your cycle, but you must run it between 50 to 100 mg per day for at least six weeks, which works out to a pretty expensive addition at several hundred dollars, even on sale. Plus you would need to start now. I would just finish out your current cycle as it is, wait three months, and run I’m more carefully planned cycle later in the year of testosterone, equipoise, and something like dianabol as a kickstarter if you are bulking, or winstrol at the end if you are cutting.
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nickname_537 User profile
Eq would go better with anavar because they both allow for a lean build up of muscle but you must diet for that to happen. Regardless both add very little water bloat which is a good thing. Both need to be run long. Var should be ran 10 weeks maybe 12 it`s mild on the liver but don`t over do it. Eq needs to be run for 4 months if not longer because it`s a slow build up. Eq requires donating blood every 2 months or so because it can dangerously raise your red blood cell count potentiating possible strokes or heart attacks. I`d save the two for a cutting or lean bulking cycle.
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YD1 User profile
Hey. I wonder how ot went for you. I dont lile to mix compounds that much. I usually stick to 2 or the most 3 compounds. Usually Test, Deca and EQ or just test and deca or test and superdrol. But all compounds are taken feom the beginning of cycle that way im nice and lean.
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Does Equipose need to be taken with another compound like Test or can it be taken as a stand alone if I am just looking for a more natural gradual gain? Has anyone taken this as a stand alone product?
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Max Stang
Talking about natural AAS – Test is the most “natural” hormone for our bodies. With EQ you are shutting your production down anyway. Add at least a TRT dose of 200mg a week to support your functions.
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evan johnson User profile Expert
Yes all steroids should be run with test since they shut down your body`s ability to produce it naturally
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Storm User profile
No, From my experience NEVER EVER run a cycle that could shut your natural testosterone alone always run it with Test and for Eq Test E would be best because both are long esters.
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BiggyBack User profile
It does need to be taken with Testosterone, because it`s suppressive and it will shut down your natural testosterone.Gains are slow but staidly so the cycle may need to be at least 16 weeks