Recently a friend and I purchased this product. Both running 150-400 a week. We have both been experiencing similar symptoms. Severe sorness lasting days, and flu like symptoms (feverish, aches). I`ve ran a very low blast a few months ago with no symptoms. It`s hard to pin down if we got a bad batch or if both our body`s don`t agree well with the oil. Hard to figure out. Any suggestions? Currently on week 5.
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Patriot_1234 User profile Expert
From my experience, running compounds in high concentrations seem to cause more PIP than lower concentrations. It seems like higher concentrations also “crash” a lot easier too so it makes sense to me. I will bet $5 that if you switched to a 250mg/ml formula that it would feel better. Try it out if you can. Regardless, best of luck to you.
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DrewMroz User profile
Interesting. Should of done my research before getting a higher dose. I’ve done 250mg earlier this year from a different pharmacy with no issues. Thanks for the feedback.
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CommiBiden User profile
Not sure what cycle you are on? The product is one I recommend as it keeps total package size and count low. I`ve only used it in conjunction with other items in the same syringe which lowered the total mg per ml.. i.e. primo 200. Warm your oil pryor to sterilization, change/rotate injection sites and rub the injection immediately with a sterile cotton swab for 30sec. as this has helped me tremendously.
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DrewMroz User profile
I’ve been cruising on 150mg a week, my buddy is doing 400 a week as a blast. I’ll try all those tips out, a lot of people have said to warm up the oil and massage the area. Thank you for the feedback.
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JamesEarl User profile Expert
I`m not sure because it has never happened to me before. I`d suggest you give it time. Maybe if you`re new to Testosterone you might get the test flu as some do. Also lower dosage a bit and increase once your body adjusts to it. Good luck with it man!
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DrewMroz User profile
I’ve used a different pharmacy earlier this year but different dosage. Had no issues, just soreness for the first 2 week. Never heard of the test flu but it’s makes sense because that’s how it feels. I’ll give it another week or so, split up my dose to twice a week. Thanks for the feedback.
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Onyx User profile Expert
I have never experienced flue like symptoms from testosterone but many have described those symptoms. They will go away with time. Good luck!
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DrewMroz User profile
I really hope it will go away. It makes it so hard to lift, I switch up to my thigh instead of glute injections and I couldn’t do legs at all this week. Felt like someone slammed a hammer into my leg 50 times. Thanks for the feedback.
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nickname_311 User profile Expert
Go with 250 the next time. A lot of people get sick with stuff that concentrated.
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DrewMroz User profile
I was going to switch up pharmacies but I’ve heard really good reviews on dragon, so I’ll stick with it and hope the 250 works out.
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Hey amazing 24roids family! Please help us vote up Dragon Pharma Enanthate 400! More value than GP 250(currently product of week). Some people need higher concentrations to be able to combine several oils and stay at or below 3cc per pin. If you do not needa higher concentration for this reason, you just use less and still get more for your money!
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nickname_311 User profile Expert
I`ve seen it on here for months just no one has put it on yet it made come on one day patients. I`d like to see it come on because it is cheaper / milligram for the 400.
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Jogger User profile Expert
I agree I voted yesterday hope it wins I I don’t like pinning more than 1.8ml at a time
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Traianos123 User profile Expert
I dont need it but u have my vote, maybe i will try it in the near future, if it will be POTW maybe i give it a try ))
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DanielChristianson User profile
Voted love the stronger ones.
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Star Fox User profile
Alright voted. Cause your asked so nicely lol
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crazy Dan User profile Expert
Its seem to be the battle of the testosterones (pardon the pun! 🙂 I do hope enanthate400 wins since i stack and doesn`t want too much volume inject in my ass! perfect with my EQ500! So good luck to you and me! I voted enath400 yesterday (i was vote number 2). And don`t forget to vote up arrow.
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Hey 24roids Fam, can we get enought support to make this all around simple and great ester/product the next product of the week please? Stock up and the merry gains neva end 🙂
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evanjohnson347 User profile Expert
You have my vote even though I just ordered a lot of sustanon 350 when it was POTW and very similar.
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nickname_311 User profile Expert
I`ve seen it in the selections for like the past 2 months. Good luck getting it up there one day lol. Pray enough
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nickname_238 User profile
Why not buy the cheaper test e 250 since it’s lower concentration, so less pip?
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JuicyJam User profile
Well for the cycle constructed – this would be the last piece. Need a higher concentration since it is not advised to pin move than 3 cc at a shot. So, to make it all work with calculations in mind and other products on order for built cycle, this concentrated preparation is required. Thank you!
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Zilla User profile
Im stocked on test but U got my vote. Just pay it forward next time you see a post for POW
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Patriot_1234 User profile Expert
I`m convinced the POW is predestined and we have less input than you`d think. I always vote for Test 400, Deca 500… anything that would be a bargain so I`m already there with you bro. I`m game.
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TheReal24roidster User profile
Yes Please
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Let`s vote for Enantat 400 want to get test up to 2000 a week, 5 CC a week is better than 8 CC a week. Really want to try this one. I`ve done the 250 and it was awesome.
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nickname_311 User profile Expert
I hear you it`s been up there several times in the past we`ll see if it gets up there
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JamesEarl User profile Expert
Testosterone is the base. No successful cycle can be done without testosterone. Got you. Hope we get some primo 200mg per ml at potw man and with testosterone plus a lean cutting diet, it can do wonders I have heard.
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Jogger User profile Expert
I was thinking trying this before bro hope it wins, good luck, I’ll vote as I want it too
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BillySantos User profile
Test is already cheap imo, I’d rather have something like anavar or mastering up. Best of luck to whatever you do though bro.
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crazy Dan User profile Expert
I definitely like to have a higher concentration test to blend with other gear! I don`t pin that high dose but i hear you brother! I m going to vote for Enanth 400 next week! Good luck buddy! AND don`t forget to vote.
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Cyclone User profile Expert
I`m down, but be aware that higher concentration can cause pip for a percentage of users.
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I`m on my fourth week of taking enantat and This is not the first time that I`ve done a cycle, but first time with Enantat 400. I started out taking 800 mg and injected it into my leg the pain was terrible and so bad I could hardly walk, ok I thought I just accidentally hit something. Week two on the other leg after it took all 7 days to basically learn how to walk again. Same results and now scratching my head and deal with the pain . Week 3 I switch up my enantat with 200 test / not a problem . Week 4 decided to inject in a new location and I stabbed my glute next day it looks like I got ass implants and same symptoms of swelling, pain and hindered movement. Please what is going on with this Enantat 400 does my body just not accept it?
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EDubz User profile
Its a high concentration per ML so it`s going to cause more pip. Anytime you use a compound that has a high concentration such as the test E 400, your going to experience more pip than you would with text E 250. That`s why alot of people tend to stay away from gear that has a higher concentration than 300, just because its known to cause alot worse PIP.
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TODDHOLMBERG User profile
Each product uses different oils in them for mixing, our bodies react different to different chemicals. Thats why some people are allergic to one item but not another. The reaction you had is just a reaction to what it is used in conjunction with for the mixing the oil. I have had it with products that use the same dosing of 250mg/ml, one product gave me a reaction but another one didn`t. I stick to what brands I know don`t cause me any issues and just use their products.
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EQhead User profile Expert
Are you injecting 800mg in one shot? Two things working against you here. 1: The higher concentration tests give more PIP. 2: injecting in the quad is more painful than glutes. 800mg a week is a high dose imo……sometimes less is more. Try 1/2ml twice weekly (200mg each shot) should give less PIP. Good luck man, cheers
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Jogger User profile Expert
If you injected 800 bro that’s why it’s super concentrated and that’s a large dose, try a lower dose man or Enantat 250
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Roid_Head User profile Expert
Same thing happened to me with Dragon Test 350 blend when I was pinning 700mg a week. I was limping for a week and I remember how painful it was getting in and out of my car because of my car because briefly I had to stand on my left leg. The only way I got around it was lowering the dose to around 500mg/w and micro dosing 75mg ED to my delt. No more high concentrated oils for me.
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If this becomes the product of the week and is 50 percent off do you still get 2 free when u buy ten?
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JeyReign User profile
No. The product is half off. Just buy more.
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Swoleville User profile Expert
No sir. Half off applies to the original price only. No additional discounts or promotions can be applied.
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crazy Dan User profile Expert
i got 10% using crypto. In the past i did not.
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EQ500! User profile Expert
Like Jay said, no. But you should still get BTC discount and either the loyalty or rewards credit, whichever you choose to use. I gotta say I`m hoping the EQ500 wins. This week it`s razor close. Haven`t seen it this tight since I`ve been using 24roids.
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Not quite User profile Expert
You can use rewards credits but no discount will be applied for using bitcoin. That discount is for full price only.
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crazy Dan User profile Expert
i got 10% off plus loyalty. i guess it sometime work? i ain’t complaining on get 2 savings!!
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crazy Dan User profile Expert
EQ500! buddy….you are right and sorry you not getting reward you deserve!!! Sucks voting system.
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crazy Dan User profile Expert
i purchased 7 and not use my reward credit. 24roids gave me loyalty discount and Bitecoin. So i save a little over 10% ! can’t beat that. No extra vials for 5 or 10 vials purchased.
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Heavy Lifted 91 User profile
No you do not. Personally my hoping EQ500 wins next week. It seems like every other week it`s some sort of test as the winner of potw. I`ve ordered GP tren on potw and I did not get 1 for free. hope that helps.
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nickname_21 User profile Expert
I am gonna have to say no. But you wont know niles you try it. Either way at 50 percent off you win no matter what what
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So ive been running gear for years. Ive never heard of hardly any test being iver 300 and maybe 350. But this is 400mgs!!! Ive been doing a bunch of research and looking and asking around. It appears that after a certain point it becomes impossible to pack that much test into a vial. I really want to try this out bc it looks like alot of bang for the buck but i also dont want it if its not dosed properly and just a littke over the norm 250. Im very precise in my trt and cycles and I cant afford bad batches or weak doses or products. Is this actuslly 400? Is it worth it? And how is the pip? Im assuming its thick as all get out
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Jim User profile Expert
I had susta 350 by dragon, dragon is a good brand but 350 is the worst test I have ever pinned. I don`t know if it was the concentration or just a bad vial but my quads were swollen to a point i couldn`t walk properly. Tossed them in the trash and back to test e250.
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.50 caliber User profile
Big Al, I could not agree with you more . I answered a question about this priviosly some people like Rich Piana put a video out on this . He said it’s impossible to get that much test (400) into one ml. But the lab reports from Simec says it’s got 440t. I imagine it’s got so serious pip
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S-C-J User profile
The concentration has absolutely nothing to do with the thickness, that’s just a characteristic of the carrier oil. Testosterone is VERY cheap to manufacture, so it’s virtually never faked or underdosed.
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Winning13 User profile
Everything that 24roids offers is on point so as far as that dosage goes. It is going to be extremely concentrated so the pip will depend on how much you are injecting in one place at a time. I like to inject multiple times and different areas when using a highly concentrated test like 400. That`s 400 Stephanie worth every penny and I do not believe you have any problems with the dosage. Good luck.
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nickname_464 User profile
Dragon makes a legit product. Pip is there but not as bad as you would think. 24roids provides lab reports for a lot of products and although their not all current they all seem to be accurate. You can purchase with confidence. Nest of luck mate.
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Redpill User profile
If it`s on 24roids it`s most likely NOT underdosed . Test E at 400 mg /ml will probably have a bit of pip , but what greatness doesn`t come with a bit of pain anyways ?
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When will Test E 400 be back in stock?
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evan johnson User profile Expert
24roids products are typically back in stock within 2-3 weeks particularly from a popular supplier like Dragon. That being said, there are plenty of other high quality test enanthate products here on 24roids you can buy right now.
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RJB User profile
Like stated typically back in stock in a couple of weeks, but as EJ said there are a lot of great suppliers on 24roids. SO maybe look at those products.
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anon5_uk User profile Expert
You still have Enantat 250 from the same supplier in the mean time.
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Don O User profile Expert
Check back in a few weeks it should be back by then and in the meanwhile there are comparable brands and concentrations of testosterone enanthate for good prices from other manufacturers.
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john smith User profile
SIS has 300mg test E, if you want to get more concentrated vials
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T-dog User profile
If you are serious about buying a test that’s 400 mg then I know SIS labs has two Sust-type products that both have 400 mg of test in it so you can always give one of those a shot. I’m pretty sure one or both of them have been tested so you know the purity is legit so you could give that a go.
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I`ve take two 1 cc/ml shots of this stuff using a 3/4 inch 22 guage needle so far. Each time I`ve experienced quite a bit of pain in and around the injection site (upper corner ass) starting around 36 hours after initial injection and lasting now going on a week on one side w/o much let up. I`ve done a cycle before of a different product and did not experience anything like this. Also, my ass has gotten really hard right around the injection area. Finally, is this normal or is it something I should worry about?
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J.P. User profile Expert
Honestly things like this are hard to diagnose without seeing them. I suggest you wait a bit longer, but keep a close eye on your injection site. 36 hours is still a little too soon to know what`s going on. I don`t think that it is the testosterone that is the problem however. Granted, some products do have a tendency to produce localized pain post administration, but rarely is this one of them regardless of manufacturer. You may try applying heat to the area via a heating pad to soften it up a bit. In the meantime I would revisit your injecting procedure. While a 22 gauge needle is certainly sufficient, it can cause more trauma during injection than a 25 or smaller. For example, in the operating room, where patients are sedated, non-responsive to pain, and it is important to be able to push drugs rapidly at times, a 23 gauge is all the bigger we typically see being used in my experience. Another point is that 3/4″ is too short to be reliable for glute injections, especially if they are self administered. With self administered glute injections your margin of error is larger. Also there are some areas back there that if hit, will be worse than a little pain at the injection site. I suspect you have a supply of 23 gauge needles that you`re not looking to replace just yet. I don`t blame you, wasting money sucks, always. That said, try switching to quadriceps injections. Make sure you are injecting at a 90° angle. Use new, clean and sterile needles and syringes every time, prepping both the plunger on your vial and skin with separate clean alcohol pads first. With the quads there are areas where you can inject with not too much in the way. To find these locations you`ll want to look up an intramuscular injection site chart and follow it precisely. What you`re describing isn`t that uncommon and typically goes away after a few days to a week on its own. However, if you begin to notice something that looks or feels infected get to a doctor a.s.a.p.
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evan johnson User profile Expert
This product is very concentrated at 400mg/ml and typically that leads to more post-injection pain and is nothing to worry about. However, if if the pain lasts longer than a week then it may be the type of oil used in the product and you may want to consider a different brand. I also think you would be better suited using a 25 gauge 1 1/2 inch needle for glute injections. As for hardness around the injection area, that is perfectly normal and that is why you should rotate injection sites(delt, quad etc).
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Phillip User profile
Based on how you wrote out your dosages I`m assuming this is your first time running anything.The pain is what we call “virgin muscle”.. it basically means that your muscle is not used to that kind of feeling.. injecting oil into your glutes. I wouldn`t worry about that.There is another pain called PIP “post injection pain” which varies between the amount of hormone (in your case 400mg Test E) and the actual Hormone itself (tren a, deca, test p, winny, etc).. I would even get a slight amount of pip from a 400mg Test E shot.- If you have an abcess it could just be oil because you didn`t go deep though.- If the abcess is red and is painful to the touch you may have really upset your cheek, which happens to us all sometimes. I would just lay off it for a few days.. if it gets worse just go get an antibiotic because your needle may not have been cleanBut there are SO many things to consider — are you rotating your injection sites, are you going at the right angle.. etc.Look up proper sterilization and site injection spots/techniques and make sure you`re on the right path.
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Ral User profile
I’ve had similar experiences. From what I’ve been told certain brands use different oils and that may effect it. I have had no abnormal pain with geneza or dragon.
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TB40 User profile Expert
If you have already done a cycle, and were using the exact same syringe size and length, its a fair assumption that you have an allergy (or at least a sensitivity) to the CARRIER OIL. Especially when formulating high concentration steroids like this one, labs are forced to use special carrier oils, such as ethyl oleate that can cause problems with some individuals. By the way, what is your current bodyfat percentage? Unless you are pretty lean (18% or less), 3/4 inch needles might not be long enough to pass through the fat layer and into the muscle tissue on your glutes.
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Chris M User profile Expert
Most likely your body is having trouble breaking down the high potent compound. My first time with it I had a major issue with this as well. An easy fix for this is mixing it with another low concentrated compound to give it more oil to disperse and break it down in. Another great trick if you don`t to add another compound is mix it with MCT oil. If you have old sealed bottles and can make time to transfer the MCT oil in them and sterilize the oil you can mix it with your Enantat 400 shots to dilute the mixture and make it MUCH easier for you r body to break down. I had crazy swelling and pain before doing this and once i did it there was NO PAIN AT ALL. Good luck brother!
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WHICH TEST HAS LESS WATER RETENTION? TEST E 400 OR TEST C 250?
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Mike Jones User profile Expert
Whatever test you run an ai with, all test will make you hold water without an ai all test aromatizes to what degree depends on how much you take 250-400mg .5mg of adex should do just fine, anything over 1mg adex or letro will be needed
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David France User profile
All test will make you hold water.
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BG Expert User profile
All test will convert to estro leading to water retention.
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I am new. I was wondering how much I should start out taking and how often. I also have HGH that I plan on taking as well (grey tops 100iu per kit). Since these are currently on sale I want to take advance of it. I was thinking 400mg x2 a week, with 2iu a day of HGH. I know the dosage is low but I am new not a pro. my diet and training is in check.
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John Higley User profile
Get on a forum, and do research other than this page. Also if you read the description of the products, it tells you recommended dosage.
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Jesse Myers User profile
It`s sad that people are too lazy to learn how to do these. Mostly young guys more likely teens who are looking only at the end result and not the process of getting there. RESEARCH!!
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Frank Caesar User profile
it depends on how much you weight, whats your body fat %,to know how much muscles you have, your age, and all that stuff, based on my personal experience taking too much gear is not gonna benefit you, dosage will be from 300 mg a week to 600 mg a week, anything more then that is not gonna do you good basically you will waste $$$ and get unwanted sides, also its important to cycle off, id not go longer then 2 months on gear. and one more important factor, if you just started working out you need to stay natural for at least one year before getting on gear. you need to be on diet plan and workout plan with out missing it, and get proper sleep, then when u successful you can start to be on gear
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Jared Lord User profile
If you are just a beginner at this whole thing you should start out by doing 1cc a week just to see how your body reacts to the substance. I personally wouldn`t even consider running hgh until I explored other compounds and how they react with my genetics.
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Dr Bulk User profile
Haven`t taken HGH before so I can only speak on behalf of the testosterone.400mg every 7-10 days is more than enough to see great results.I`ve done only 250mg a week and always got decent gains. It`s a good beginnersStarting point IMO.
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Exeresis3 User profile
My first cycle was test e250/ sust 250 once a week, so 500/wk, an it was perfect, no side effects at all, so yea you wanna be more careful with your body on your first cycle just in case its too much, my friend did his first with test e 400 twice a week an he broke out so bad with arm an chest acne that he completely stopped. So experiment with 400 per week, but do half a ml Mon an the other half on Thu, be safe
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evan johnson User profile Expert
Just 1 cc or 400 mg of test is fine since you are starting out. 2iu every other day is also enough
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Mike Jones User profile Expert
1cc on Monday and .5cc on Friday you’ll be at 600mg per week with 2iu everyday and you’ll see great results at that dose don’t forget to include an ai in your cycle.
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J. Thomas User profile
You would do fine with 600mg text per week. And only need to inject once a week with Test E.
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JESSE PEARSON User profile Expert
It would be advisable to dig in and do some more research. For now however, the standard starting point for test is generally about 500mg per week of test. For hgh, 2 to 4 iu a day is cool, just start low. Also be ready to buy a lot more HGH if you want to reap the real benefits as it`ll take a good long while