Hey guys I`m a healthy 27 year old 6ft 90kg I ordered this stack and also ordered some Clen on the side. I was planning to run it on cycle or after depending on what`s recommended. Any thoughts or help would be great
JD Cycle
It honestly depends on your experience. If you`re relatively new, then just run this stack. If you`ve run these compounds before, feel free to add in the clen. I would not run it after though if you are dead set on using it. I would run it during so the testosterone helps preserve muscle while in calorie deficiency to cut.
Uhoh38125
without knowing your goals, that stack will definitely make you strong, build some muscle, harden you up. and tighten up your waistline etc but you will only burn so much fat with the gear. we really dont know your body fat or goals. the clen is gonna wire you up but you really need to learn to calculate calories for your goals and eat that way. even if you only use an app and enter everything you eat for a few weeks – at least you have some idea of what that is and feels like. fat has to come off over time. ive lost a lot in 18months. i lost most of it in the last 6 months because ifigured out some version of what im doing in the kitchen. you cnat eat bread and processed food and expect this shit to work. you HAVE to eat clean, I started losing my weight when i started drinking a lot of my calories from a ninja blender. these shakes (3) times a day include cottage cheese, raw eggs, and powder for protien with fruit and seltzer water to thin it. the shakes metabolize fast and dont stop up the tract. i quit w red meat bc it takes forever to break down. I grill 10lbs of white meat and a bunch of veggies on sunday and break that into daily gallon zip lock bags. I carry those bags around all day every day eating from them. when you “pre cook” you dont make mistakes by running around all over town trying to make decisions. also when you get so hungry you need food fast – you already have it – healthy shit. You have to get serious. the drugs won do it. they will speed it up, yes, but if you dont have the system in place then there is nothing to speed up. also, while you wait, order “the cleaner for men” from gnc and clean your gut. then buy bottles of probiodics by the yogurt and get your system lubricated. then precook and get your diet dialed in. when your nice order gets here, jump the fk on. it will work but it might take time and a few cycles. again im guessing you have substantial body fat like i did. good luck brother. plz vote my comment. thanks
BigOlRed
I would run the clen with it. Also I would have PCT on hand. Clomiphene tamoxifen and HCG. depending on how much gear I ran and the cycle usually I would run 1000IU two or three times a week and then take one clomiphene and one tamoxifen a day for the first seven days and then a half of each everyday I would do all of that anywhere from 5 to 8 weeks depending on the length of your cycle and also how many compounds you were running with it. I always take cabergoline throughout the cycle as well to help with prolactin sides.
Dreww
Yes thank you. I also ordered a pct, hcg 500iu twice a week for the last 2 weeks. Nolva 40/40/20/20 and Clomid 100/100/50/50. I also ordered a bit extra of the tamoxifen as in the past I am prone to gyno. Any recommendations on the dosing for gunk on cycle?
Dreww
*gyno not gunk. But was thinking just 20mg tamoxifen a day
Uhoh38125
after re-reading: try the `lose it` app on your phone…. and the probiotic bottles are always by the yougurt `in the grocery store`…. the probiotics will lubricate your gut so you can get things flowing in and out quickly. you want to learn to find foods that break down quickly. anything that locks your gut slows your whole metabolism down… fast in fast out – all day every day. lift hard and heavy, do a 10min running cardio warmup before lifting to get the burn off going, eat right ALWAYS, stay sober, this will work.. also watch greg doucettes video: LIFE HACK || MEAL SIZES EXAMPLES || Comparing 200 Calorie Meals || Eat THIS not THAT!!!
Tlift
Hi Dreww A friend ran this stack and absolutely loved it. Just did not like pinning often , but who does. You will get great results. Be careful with the clen. Cut pill in half 1st dose. If heart does not race go to 1 pill preworkout next day. Just eat often small meals every 3 hrs max or whey isolate shake you will get cut. Stay Strong!
AnthonyChung
Clen is best to run along with T3 to get maximum effects. That stack you are interested in already has winstrol so you wouldnt need to add clen. If you do I highly recommend you look up the clen+ t3 stack and add t3 to that if you are going to use clen.
nickname_311
Sounds good so far. Good luck. First cycle recommend just doing test though.
Hey this is going to be my furst cycle i just purchased this stack. I keep hearing different recommendations of the dosage of test p. and Nandrolone i should take Im wondering if i should purchase more of both or will this suffice?
Bulk_Bod
My 1st cycle i used test E. I used 400 to 500mg per week. That sat me at a good feeling amd progress. Test p u will need to inject at least every other day to preferably every day do to the sort Ester. So just make it last for 400 to 500 mg a week and u r good.
BoogieMan
This cycle is so planned that it will be sufficient for a beginner. So if you a gear first-timer, do not change any doses recommended for this cycle and go with exactly as suggested by Naps/Aaster. You will have great gains.
Hrk
In my opinion this is a horrible first cycle. I personally now pretty much stick to app long esters because I hate feeling like a pin cushion! And if your a first time user it can get old really quick. But I agree 110% with boogieman, if you run this dont change anything. Personally I would save this cycle and just start with 400-500mg of test c or e for first cycle, run that for 10 to 12 weeks but yo each their own. Good luck and be safe
BigZ
Like everyone has said decent first cycle but you want to go with long esters for the first time. New to pinning and side effects long ester tests are better you don`t have as much fluctuation with hormones. You also don`t have to inject as much. I tried prop but having to inject ED and EOD sucks.
nickname_311
Always start small build yourself up with steroids later on. Your body will become accustomed to whatever you first start off with I am second and stir Cycles won`t be so effective so I start off small and can do a lot with small amounts and build up after time
crazy Dan
If this is your first cycle just stick with test only at 400mg a week and split to 2 pins. Go on a 10 weeks cycke. Do pct and wait 10 weeks. Then fire up another test only cycle at 500mg fir 12 weeks. Have arimidex fir elevated estrogen. Have nolva fir gyno. Clomid fir pct. Your first y jr is to see how you react to test. this include your propensity for test conversion to estrogen; your sensitivity to estrogen. Then you can stack nandrolone or other gear if you wish once you dial test in. Nandrolone has it own sides so you then need to dial that i as well. Have cabergolin in hand so you can mitigate prolactin if it surfaced. This stack content both test and nandrolone but they are short esters. Bad thing is you need to pin eod. Good thing is if any sides surfaced then you can lower the dose or even stop the pin if you can`t handle them. This is a well thought out stack by experts in the field so you dont want to change anything. My recommendation is to save this stack fir future use. Do at least two test only cycles before jumping into stacks. This is a long game brother! you`ll have plenty of time and takes to go exotic or even Crazy. Plus test only will give you plenty of gain. Good luck friend and don`t forget to vote.
Hi guys,I am 44 y.o athlete female. Work out/lift 6 days a week, for 3 years now. Used HGH 2 iu/day for 8 months for age-ing (is it even a word?, haha), and Anavar 10mg/8 weeks. Now, ready for a cycle. Is this cycle good for females too? Want to shred, and muscle definition. Still have a small fat/puffiness in abs area…ugh…doing cardio and strict diet, but that abs bulge is still there. As of about the concerns—no, I am not afraid to become a man! :-))) I feel like one already anyway. And Love it. Or, should I stay with Anavar, and add Winny? Please, advise? Thank you! Have a great pump, friends!
nickname_21
Not sure about that stack it can have irreversable effect in women. What if you look into a small dosage of primo with anavar. Primo is pricey but not really for what you need. I suggest doing some reserch on primo I would think 100mg per week with your anavar could work wonders. Very little side effects you can run a very small dosage of test but if your trying to shred I would stay away. Winstrol wouldn`t be bad it can have worse side effect then anavar I would start out at 5mg per day and max is 10mg per day.
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Onyx
Virilization is a real thing. There are safe things for women to use. Why not 3IU of ghg instead? It is safe for women
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JamesEarl
No that will permanently masculanize you. That is way too much Testosterone for a women. Stick to anavar or primobolan. But in low doses. Thickened voice, beard growth and manly features slowly creep up but the bad news is they would be permanent. Your friends are anavar and primobolan as a female and in low doses as well as cycled on and off in reasonable lengths of time. Good luck!
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Shadow43
Bumping up that HGH dose may yield the results that you desire. HGH at higher doses has a tremendous effect on visceral adipose tissue.
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HEy guys i am a 26 years old man that has never taken any gear in his life been going to the gym for 2 years straight but always had approx 15kg over weight and forgot to mention that i am 5ft6 during corona i had managed to loose approx 10 kg and had taken this stack(1DAY OF JULY) except for the winstrole that i haven`t taken as i will only take it for the last month of the stack(BECACUSE I WAS ALREADY WORRIED THAT THE NPP AND THE TEST PROP WAS ALREADY CRAZY ME DOING IT ) so now it has been 10 days that i have BEEN pinning MYSELF every other day without any complication at all either for the pinning or with ANY SIDE EFFECT AT ALL Except for the Testicules but my worry is that i HADN`T been feeling any buzzz or seen amazing muscle gain or water retention OR ANY SEXUAL DESIRES EITHER at all I STILL HAVNT USED ANY AI AT ALL AS I AM NOT HAVING ANY SYMPTOMS SO NOW LETS START TALKING ABOUT EXERCISE I HAVNT BEEN TRAINING LIKE A CRAZY MAN EVERY DAY BUT MAYBE 30 MIN OF WEIGHTS 3 TIMES A WEEK AND I HONESTLY HAVNT SEEN CRAZY OR IMPRESSIVE GAINS SO NOW I AM ASKING YOU. GUYS WHAT DO YOU IS HAPPENING OR WHAT AM I DOING WRONG ? SHOULD I MAYBE UP THE DOSES ? BUT I DON`T THINK I WILL HAVE ENOUGH WITH THE AMOUNT THE STACK GIVES ?? PLEASE LET ME KNOW I GOT ALL THE AI OR CABER PLEASE EXPLAIN ME WHY I AM NOT HAVING ANY REACTION WHAT COULD BE CAUSING IT ?SHOULD I INJECT MORE ?
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AdamK
If i read this right you just started on the 1st of july. Give it a lil time. The gains for me are gradual with npp or deca. You can up your doses but i dont advise it being that its your first cycle. It takes time to build lean muscle. Id start taking the winnie and just keep working out and keep your diet on point. Keep in mind it is a beginners and a cutting stack. You wont blow up like with dbol or other bulking compunds. You will continue to see improvements for a short time even after the cycle ends. As for the sex drive it could be the npp. I keep my test dose higher than my nandrolone at all times. Even then my libido doesnt get crazy and my erections arent as full with the npp
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Zilla
Steroids aren`t magic buddy. If you don`t train hard and eat right idc how much gear you do, you wont see any difference. You haven`t been on the stack long enough to see results and if you don`t start training more you wont see results. Work hard, eat right, and be patient. Don`t use any ancillaries unless you start getting side effects. Good luck man
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anonymous_1212
Nice zilla, that opening sentence was what some people need to hear.
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Anon151
You`ve been on it 9 days bro. Give it some time. And go ahead and run the winny now. It`s a basic beginners stack, you won`t see fast weight gain or anything. Also recheck your training program. Only 30 minutes a day, 3x a week, seems like a pretty light training protocol in my opinion. Either way give it time to kick in.
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Will1
Prepare yourself for a long reply. My first question is did you research before selecting your stack to take? The best first and second cycle anybody can take is just Test. No other compounds. This is so you see how your body responds with the 1 compound alone that you`ll run in every future cycle. You mentioned you didn`t touch the winny yet…..good. Don`t use it until your 3rd cycle at the soonest. The other reason I asked if you researched is because you don`t seem to have the correct expectations for using illegal drugs. You will not feel anything special or see a change in the first 10 days. Blood levels take time to build up in your system. Expect not to see or feel anything until week 3 at the earliest. You will notice strength gains and more fullness and better pumps. You mentioned you train with weights 3 times a week for 30mins. That comment makes be wonder if steroids are right for you. The amount of volume and training you get in 90 total minutes in a week is simply not enough for your body to even properly utilize steroids. If you`re training an hour or two hours a day, then steroids would be a benefit. But I don`t think your training demand puts you in a spot of taking advantage of steroids. If you become for lifting focused, then sure. Not to mention steroids do have negative health effects. If you`re not utilizing them to the fullest, it wouldn`t be worth hurting your health. That`s just my opinion.
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pussyy
forgot to mention that i only train 30 min at a time and only 3 times a week is because i live in london and we are still in lockdown and the gyms are still not open so i work out from home and the gyms are opening in 1 weeks time
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pussyy
I need to know if i need to take the Winstrole or not ????
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nickname_21
The thing is theres no magic pill. If training and diet isnt almost perfect you might not see any gains. The beginner cutting stack should be taken exactly as explained. That being said this stack is not a muscle builder strength builder. It is a thickness hardening preservation stack meaning you train hard at least 4 days a week like back bi, chest tri, shoulder, legs. And as much volume you can handle in a 45 minute to hour period along side a calorie deficit amd this stack will shine you probably better off getting a mask builder stack eat every thing you can and train as much as possiable along with good rest period s every ones goals are differnt figure out yours
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i bought this stack and i am 5ft6 65kg with no muscle( as i must of lost 5 kg of muscle that i had ) as i got sick and was bed bound for 6 months and now i am just wondering how much muscle i would expect to gain on this cycle if i go to the gym 5 days a week and will be also eating in a deficit as i still need to loose a bit of weight to be extremely lean? ( and by the way it will be my first ever cycle ever and yes i know i shouldn`t be stacking but i will atill dio it )i have tried to give the most details possible for you guys to answer theme the most precisely Thanks in advance
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anonymous900
You cannot gain muscle if youre in a calorie deficit. Nobody here can tell you how much muscle youre going to put on. Its all dependant on your workouts and calorie intake. If you need to lean out this will help as long as youre in a calorie deficit. Youll also need to do cardio 3-4hrs a week. Stack on some carb cycling and you can loose some fat and gain a bit of muscle
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nickname_21
You can probably exspect tongain zero to minimal muscle. You will gain hardness maybe some density. But since you have lost muscle and been sick and your gonna start in a deficit dont expect much. What you should do is just put some mass on you and next year cut away to see what you got but what ever
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Patriot_1234
Not the answer you want to hear, but you really should go to the gym for a solid 4-6 months and learn to gain with what you`re working with naturally before you start leaning on steroids. It`s just going to be a crutch if you don`t know the fundamentals and you`ll lose it all rather quickly once you get off and your endocrine system crashes. By taking the time now to learn how to make gains with your current status will enhance anything you do while being on AAS. Diet, training and rest dude. Best of luck to you.
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nickname_238
Just keep it simple run test E or C since it’s your first cycle. Take 500mg a week for 12 weeks. You need to eat in a surplus, you don’t have to go crazy stuffing yourself, but your first cycle will usually be the best and it sets the tone for future cycles. Don’t worry about cutting just grow and put muscle on, then you can cut down and look great with some muscle mass. You can start cardio 3 days a week before or after you train for 15-20 minutes, at steady state cardio. Then after 2 or 3 weeks bump it up to 30min 3 days a week. Good luck. Take care.
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JamesEarl
Don`t expect muscle gains while in a caloric deficit. Lower your calories to induce fat loss. Only bulk once lean so you don`t get fat.
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Onyx
Everybody responds differently to gear. First off all if your muscles loss is due to atrophy and immobility you will most likely get it back just with regular workouts. If it is due to catabolic reaction due to steroids you will need anabolic steroids, because they are indicated for muscular dystrophy. Whatever the reason for your muscle loss you will benefit from steroids use. I suggest you go to gym for a few months before you start gear. I wish you luck body and a successful cycle!
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hey guys i got all the products for this STack but my only slip up is that i only ordered a packet of Caberlin 0.25 that only has 4 pills in it ( and yes i got all the AI and the Post Therapy )Should i be cautious or its expremely likely that i will need to use it and will need to buy more also ?? please let me know
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Dr Scott
IMO it is unlikely at those low doses, on that cycle you will need the caber. Because the stack has deca in it its possible but i have never ever had a need for caber and i have done many, many cycles of deca and tren (not together, but you know what i mean). But i do have some in my top drawer. I never add anything until i need it. I think part of it is that this side has its own cool nickname “deca dick” (alliterative and everything) that people love to talk about it more then it actually happens. but you know you have it on hand and if you get prolactin side then use it, if not save it for later
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nickname_88
Highly unlikely you will even need it with this cycle.. if you find you think you do… I would cut those 4 tabs into not just half but maybe 1/4`s so you could make them last since you only got a 4 pack but again, it is highly unlikely you will run into prolactin issues with these low doses of Nandrolone..
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Santi
Looks like you are ona pretty decent stack and you were smart enough to chose a beginner stack. With this stack, everything you need is given right in the stack. I don’t think you will need any more caber. It’s always better to caution on the side of safe so I would order more and have on hand just in case you do. I always keep extra Arimidex on hand even though I don’t always use it while I’m on cycle. Best to have and not need than need and not have
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Jonathan
I agree 100 percent with Scott I never needed the caber with 300md deca BUT when I stopped the deca my libido was increases, I’ll tell you that
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nickname_464
I personally have not ever needed it, especially at the doses your running. I think you`ll be fine. You said you have your ai and that should be all you`ll need. Even with your ai you should only take as needed, meaning don`t take just to take but only if sides present themselves. Because you need some estrogen for your gains and libido. I like to take vit b for help with combating any prolactin issues. It`s cheap, natural, easy to find and seems to work for me. Hope this helps you. Best of luck in your cycle.
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Lord
I never needed caber with the nandrolones except for tren. You can run a high dose of b6 with it will help with prolactin.
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just wondering if it its not best to use the Winstrol only for the last 3-4 weeks of this Stacker ? and not for the 7 weeks promoted ?
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John Rambo
7 weeks is a bit long for winny. It`s pretty harsh on the liver as well as the joints. I would run it at 4 or 5 weeks. To close out my cycle. Good luck bro
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nickname_88
Yes, that is how most like to throw winny in their cycle, at the end for a good clean up so you`re thinking correctly and would be a little less harsh on your system then throughout cycle.. Good catch and always go with how you`re feeling when it comes to running aas, as far as how long or how much you want to use.. good luck..
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Taylor
Consider using Anavar, if your hooked on Winstrol/Stanzonol then run it for the last 4 weeks.
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Bob
I wouldn`t do more than 4 weeks for Winstrol i get sore knees try anavar bro
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Roidon
Winstrol is usually dosed 40 – 100 mg per day. I think since this is recommended at 40 mg (4 10 mg tabs) spread throughout the day 7 weeks will be okay. If you start to experience side effects just stop taking it. Take some liver support with it and you should be fine.
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Dr Scott
I try to run winny 7-8 weeks if my knees allow. I agree mostly what the others have said winny doesnt bother my liver to the extent of say anadrol or dbol but fucks whith my knees thats usually what determines if i get off but you can do whatever way you want
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Hey, I just ordered this stack. I`ve always had a nurse friend get my needles before. This time I`m buying some online. What would be the best to get?
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Johnny Longsockz
I bought mine from a local feed store pretty cheap with no trail
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mchilds
I typically order a bunch of luer lock 1cc and 3cc syringes. I will draw up what I need in the 1cc syringes usually (0.5mL, 0.75mL, etc) then squirt them into a 3 mL syringe. Then take the next compound and do the same so I can put all of them in one larger 3cc syringe. Plus the 3 mL syringe requires less force than the 1 mL and therefore less pressure into the tissue at a slower velocity.(look up Bernoulli`s effect). The less pressure it takes to inject the less intermuscular tissue damage and if you are near a nerve bundle the last potential nerve involvement. Having said that you can just inject a 1 mL syringe slower to achieve the same effect. I typically draw up with a 18 or 20G then always inject with a 25G 1-1.5″ needle. Once again the smaller diameter 25G creates more velocity so I typically will take about 3-4 mins to slowly inject. If using a 3cc I go pretty fast regardless of the needle size. I use test prop and acetate esters so daily injections are pretty common for me and using an 18 gauge will give you a ton of scar tissue and bruising and it is much easier to hit a nerve bundle with the larger gauge needle, especially the sciatic nerve when using the glutes. I did inject with 20 gauge needles four years in that size really isn`t that bad either. Just don`t skimp on a few dollars. Invest in good needles. I know in my state in the United States you can get syringes and needles over the counter at most pharmacies without a prescription or any questions asked.
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Jaris
I buy 2ml syringes, they come with a needle, so I withdraw and inject with it. It is ok size for me
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S-C-J
25 gauge x one inch, go ahead and buy whatever quanitty you like out on ebay, google shopping, amazon, etc. You can also get them very cheap on veterinary supply websites, its a loophole if your state doesnt allow purchase.
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nickname_21
Ya I go to a feed store also i get the 3/4 inch 25 guage. I draw with a 22 guage unusually buy 5 at a time no problem
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Dr Scott
Dont overcomplicate plenty of sites online i buy 19g needle to draw and 3cc luerlock syringe with 25g 1-1 1/2 needle. thats the smallest needle size i have found that you can still push oil based fluids through. I take off the one that comes with it (25g) and then use the 19 to draw then replace the 25g to inject.
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After reading the comments on the past question i have made my desission to not use the Winstrol ans just use to the Test Prop and Nandrolone will it be ok ? wont there be any unbalance in the cycle ?
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Michael
I would switch from the test prop to a longer ester like test Cypionate or enanthate unless you don`t mind lots of injections. Test prop tends to hurt a bit more too, up to you though, they both work.
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MegaCycle
What do you mean unbalance? You can take test by it self or with nand or with several other things. First cycle should always be test only. Learn the sides of test. Then the next cycle, you add another (single) steroid. Learn those sides, then next cycle same thing. When you add a bunch of new compounds in a single cycle and you get side effects, you have no clue what caused the sides. Lots of these compounds have many possible side effects but most people will get 1-2 of the sides, it`s just which 1-2 of the 15-20+ possible sides. AAS is a long game, not a short game. If you are going to possibly fuck up with body, you need to be smart about it and take it slow to minimize the chance of something bad happening
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Big Jake
There`s an aweful lot to be said for doing test only for your first cycle to see how your body handles it, whether or not you aromatize test to estrogen easily, side effects etc. If I were you I`d save the whole cycle you`ve got for a little bit and just get 2 vials of testosterone cypionate for your first cycle. run it 10 weeks with an AI like anastrazole handy and get a 30 day post cycle of clomid and nolvadex. test prop, nandralone prop and winstrol are a nice and powerful stack. cutting out just the winstrol seems less than ideal. the nandralone makes the winstrol easier to manage potential joint pain. as far as getting shredded goes it`s a fine stack. You`ll get shredded on just straight test for your first cycle for sure. eat clean, lots of protein, lift hardcore and you`ll lean out while you get jacked. I recommend saving the cycle you have on hand for a few months and try running like 350-500mg test cyp per week splitting that into 2 injections weekly, 3.5 days apart. If you want to run the cycle you`ve got it will work just fine, just listen to your body. make sure to wait at least as long as your cycle runs after PCT before trying another cycle
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JB205
I would keep the test mg higher then the deca if that`s what you are referring to. But if your taking a pre designed stack, then just run what`s in it. If you need to lower the dose of something then do that. Definitely have an AI on hand like armidex and caber.
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evan johnson
YEs that is a fine cycle and no there will not be any imbalances. I have run test and deca many times with great success.
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RJB16
I love Test and Deca but all I have read on here is run Test a bit higher then your Deca dose…. Also be wary of Deca dick…
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I ordered the El Classico cutting stack and now need to know what to exactly order for a full PCT and dont forget that it will be the first time that i will be taking steroids . And now people are saying that i dont need to order clomid and that i only need the nolvadex that had been left with the stack for my successful PCT ?dont forget its my first time
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MegaCycle
Nolva 20mg/day for 4-6 weeks. In all studies involving Nolvadex doses used to stimulate endogenous Testosterone production, only 20–40mg daily of Nolvadex was utilized, and it has in fact been shown that doubling the dose to 40mg or any higher will not produce any significant difference in endogenous Testosterone secretion. The only reason why many elect to utilize 40mg daily of Nolvadex for the first 1-2 weeks of a PCT program is for the purpose of achieving optimal peak blood plasma levels quicker so as to ensure HPTA recovery quicker. This isn`t necessary and just further increases your risk of potential sides.
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Will
Clomid and Nolvadex are what`s needed for PCT. You mentioned this is your first steroid use, what the hell are you doing buying a stack of multiple compounds for your first cycle? You`ll have no idea what your body is responding too. Bad idea that you didnt educate yourself on a proper first cycle(just test and PCT).
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Drew
If this is you first Cycle you only should be running test alone . For pct you want to run clomid 100/100/50/50 and nolvadex 40/40/20/20/20 .
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JMann
As said above, you need to reconsider your choices here, for your First cycle. Why would you try multiple compounds at once, and what kind of base have you built to run a cutting cycle? If you purchased this stack that is fine, just set it aside, and get a longer acting testosterone Cyp or Enth. Just use test for 12 weeks, have your AI for estrogen side effects while on cycle. When you complete the cycle, do your basic pct with nolva, clomid and hcg. Good luck
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Dr Scott
Nolvadex should never be used for PCT ( unless you are worried about gyno)this drug was never designed to increase LH or FSH levels. Clomid and HCG were actually designed to do this. I have had my levels checked twice on nolvadex and it did nothing to stimulate my natural test, this has been parroted so long that it has become reality. This drug blocks estrogen at the receptors and does this quite well, it only stimulates FSH and LH as a side effect, an afterthought. Do not wate your time with it. If you dont believe me pick up a simple pharmacology book or get your own levels checked. So much misinformation
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Michael
You can don`t need clones. Fun nova about 3 weeks after last pin 40mg every other day for 18 days then 20mg every other day for 14 days.
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I ordered the El Classico cutting stack and now need to know what to exactly order for a full PCT and dont forget that it will be the first time that i will be taking steroids . thanks in advance
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skitt
Honestly, Just order some clomid thats all you will need.. You could do HCG as its a great tool but I would save that for a heavier cycle.. Clomid will be enough to get your good ol boys back up and running when PCT time comes.. Maybe order some A Dex to have on hand for just in case you do get any estro sides.. You may not need it at all but better safe then sorry.. Unless you want to use the Nova that comes with the stack.. Just watch for sides if they do come.. good luck and enjoy
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mikey
clomid bro first 2 weeks 50mg 2 more weeks t 25 mg thats it
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Big Dogg
First of all I dont know why they call this a beginner`s stack because beginners shouldn`t stack anything. You should do a cycle or 2 with just testosterone as your first cycles. But since that is what you have and probably what you`re going to use, get some clomid and use it with the Nolva that comes with the stack. Clomid 100/100/50/50 and Nolva 40/40/20/20 those are daily doses for the weeks indicated. I would also get some HCG amd use it 500iu 2x/week last 2 weeks of cycle and first 2 weeks of PCT. PCT should start about 3 to 5 days after last injection. A lot of people suggest varying degrees of PCT but natural testosterone production shuts down almost immediately when you inject AAS. I personally suggest the same PCT unless you`ve been blasting and cruising for 6+ months. At that point you`d need a little more. The faster you regain your natural production the more gains you will keep from your cycle.
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Gearpeace
I prefer to use hcg for PCT. Good stack for 1st cycle, not too heavy. Average of 350mg/week of test prop. I prefer Arimidex to control estrogen sides throughout cycle at 0.5mg 2 – 3 times a week. Some people need it, some don`t. Study up on everything before beginning and you should be fine.
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Matt Beard
Standard pct is nolva and clomid. Nolva 40,40,20,20 clomid 100,100,50,50 per week. HCG can also be used either during cycle or to kick-start the nuts into action before pct starts. There are varying views on what`s needed for a milder cycle, many will say just clomid is plenty or just nolva. Plenty of info available on the internet on this subject but you will get lots of different answers. I would recommend looking at older q&a on here as well.
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Nickname_38
You need to order clomid and nolvadex the above info is on point make sure you follow it and do a bit more research with this cycle make sure you know what sides to look out for and how to deal with them if they appear good luck
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Hey guys so i have just received the El Classico Beginner`s stack i have also purchased (i dont know why lol) but Caberlin0.25mg and obviously Arimidex1 just wondering if i need anything else to make sure that i am safe no matter what and yes dont worry i have also got everything ready for PCT
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mike
You ok with those do some research on how much to use of each ai usually 0.5mg eod man
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JD Cycle
You`ve got everything you need. Ai, caber, and pct are thing things people tend to akimp on. Enjoy the ride!
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MegaCycle
You are good. If this is your first cycle, wait until you feel sides you take the AI. Don`t take it to early as you can crash your e2 with it and you will feel like crap.
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JMann
These packages are complete, everything you need. It’s great that people are spreading the word about AI use. Never take a drug if you don’t need it, especially with the side effects of long term AI use.
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novadesert007
Yep. Like tother said start with .5 eod
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John
No. Nothing needed in my opinion. It`s a great stack and you should be happy with the results. Best of luck with it
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Do I need a estrogen blocker with this pack?
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Will
The only correct answer is maybe, and to just be prepared. Some people genetically don`t need an AI regardless of doses, some need it off any dose, and some are dose dependent. It`s all about how your body responds to the stack and dose. It`s best practice to buy an AI and have on hand in case you start seeing estrogenic side effects.
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Dr Scott
Well it comes with nolvadex which will not alter the levels of estrogen but will bind to the estrogen receptors at the nipple and protect from gyno, and it does this quite well. There are only two sides that i really worry about–gyno and HTN. Gyno is typically forever and you could stroke out very quickly if your BP gets out of control. the nolva wont help with HTN but it certainly will help if you find you are prone to gyno. This cycle is designed for beginners and is very friendly and relatively low dosed so it is very unlikely that you need even the nolvadex or even experience any sides at all unless you are particularly prone to them, but i suppose everyone is different . I am not a big fan of people who just throw all these ancillaries in for no real reason. All have their own sides and most, while they don`t necessarily work against your gear, they certainly don`t help, and i want to give my gear the best shot to accomplish the goals i am looking for- plus they all cost money. In all the years i have been doing this i have only had to use Nolvadex and occasionally arimidex when i am running a little heavier, maybe I`m just lucky. Anyhow, to answer your question directly. No, you probably won`t need anything else but it never hurts to have a little arimidex or the like on hand just in case, just no need to go crazy.
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Cornpop_RobertBiden
5mg Tamoxifen night and day will work wonders and or Cabergoline. In hindsight most of the mass monsters I know regret running high AI.
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Johnny Longsockz
You always want it on hand no matter what cycle
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Cyclone
Like will said, just maybe, but you absolutely need to have some on hand Incase you run into high estrogen. I recommend aromasin, but arimidex will work as well.
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JD Cycle
You definitely need an ai on hand, but because this stack has Nandrolone, you also need to purchase some caber incase you get prolactin sides.
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I have a question; so something I like bad are my arms. I have big popped shoulders although my arms suck ass .. I train everything twice a week exacept forearms and calves which I do everyday.. anyway should I train my arms 3 times a week?
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traianos123
No man, to train your arms 3 times/week is too much, your muscles will not have enough time to recover, 2 times/week is perfect, me because i dont have a lot of time i train my arms only 1 time/week and i got decent gains, is a slow process.
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Drew
you can work our arm three times a week if that`s what you need improvement in or just lift as heavy as you can on your two days that you lifting arms.
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Dr Scott
i am a big believer in rest, one of the biggest mistakes that people make, including myself, is overtraining. We grow when we rest. Make sure your diet is on point and switch things up-barbell dumbell, ez curl, cable, concentration curls heavy one week high reps the next. i cannot imagine training them 3 times a week will give you better results (plus half the week you are doing arms) especially if you are doing high intensity training, keeping your mind and muscle connected and rest and hydrate -a couple times a week should be fine. At the end of the day it really does come down to genetics but if you do all the things i just talked about and are using gear appropriately, keep your expectations reasonable and you will make breakthroughs, i promise but it will likely take time especially if this is your stubborn area. All of us, except the most genetically gifted have those body parts that dont seem to respond as well as the rest. keep pushing!
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PunchNpie
I dunno if I would train them that often, considering arms are getting worked every time you do chest and back and traps,etc. Point is you might end up overtraining them and maybe doing more harm than good. Now muscle groups like abdominals can be worked daily because the muscle fibers heal faster in that particular area apparently. I guess you could work them thrice a week just don`t completely fry them every session. I guess you should just experiment and see how things progress. Keep a journal and maybe take pics so you have a frame of reference to look back on.
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Swoll,onthe,low
Your just not doing it right,drop set,forced reps,forced negatives,super set,low rest time,burn outs,kill,kill,kill eat eat eat,,need I say more
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Taylor
I wouldnt add an extra day but possibly switch up your routine
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hey guys can anybody refer me to a good article to read that would thoroughly inform me on AAS, PCT and any other vital info about cycles. how to combat side effects and all essential info. also what pre designed stack would be good for a beginner ? im 23 weigh 175. im trying to cut/lean out. im really interested in the benefits of HGH and possibly stacking it with test. thanks!
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JuiceNaps
Hey Chapez, I would refer you to youtube to search “greg doucette” and watch all of his videos on the subjects you mentioned. You can also search for “Guru Ameen” regarding hgh and drugs etc. There is so much to go into and they both do a great job. You now have hours of studying to do! Good question and thanks for it.
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Drew
I agree you tube or even a good google search of each individual item you plan to run and take it step by step till you have it all set up and ready to start.
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nickname_464
There is a book on amazon, it`s called the The Steroid Bible by Steve Gallaray, spelling might be off on name. Should be easy to find and had a lot of information. Obviously Google and YouTube has a lot of info but be subjective. Best of luck mate.
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Will
7 years ago when I learned about AAS, I literally googled steroids and looked at several of the top results. The more and more I got into AAS and using, I found online forums where members posted experiences, recommendations, studies, etc. No matter what I`ve learned since, that google search information was all correct. As stupid as it might sound, I think the top result is a website names Steroid but iirc it lists all the different compounds with explanations of what they are, how they are commonly used, results to expect, side effects you can get, and what doses you run them at. I believe that website still has the correct protocol for first time user cycles as well. Try going that route and then branch off to forums the more you get into it.
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Rocco
Steroid do t co m gives some really solid information on steroid profiles, but your going to have to get up on a forum like t- nation and do some homework. Hgh is great for fat loss, but typically only if you are very lean and would greatly benefit from an additional 1-2% better composition
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nickname_537
A thourough online search of each topic at hand will provide varied information and you can learn from consistency as to what information is correct and take in various opinions as well as opposing studies to formulate your own opinions. That`s what ive done and do, and believe me the variety of the info as well as the knowing of how popular the given expressed information is and how it`s coming from multitudes of sources vs just one large source/media outlet allows you to really have a thorough and better well understood thought base and overall grasp on the info.
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Can i sub the winstrol pills to injectable winstrol on this cycle
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Trenbologna sandwich
You can it’s going to have the same effect some people just prefer injectable to try to save on liver damage which is what I assume you’re doing? But you will get same gains you are still getting same mg if compound in your body
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Skuchie
Sure if you buy the injectable Winstrol separately. Many people choose to use injections as opposed to oral to minimize liver damage due to the first pass effect that orals have. But if you keep the dose the same, in theory, you should have the same results.
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nickname_704
FYI injecting any water based substance can be a bitch the needle will clog and sometimes you gotta take it out and swap for a new one, seeing as your a beginner (beginner stack) this will just make you sick of pinning as you already have to Pin EOD so having to pin 3-4 times per week can be annoying but adding another 7 pins will probably have you missing winstrol doses. Id recommend getting a vial or two or 10-20 amps and trying it out on days your not pinning the oil and if you don`t mind it then pick up some more. good luck and be safe
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Mike Jones
You can, I`d just mix it with the test prop injections, as stated tho using water based injections is a pain in the ass literally so be ready
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skitt
Yes you can switch it out for the injectable.. In reality they are both liver toxic either way… Not say this to scare you but so you are aware as I thought all injectables weren`t really liver toxic when I came across info while researching that showed winstrol is the only toxic injectable on the liver…. was new to me lol either way its good stuff and good luck
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JB205
You can but most winny injections are like every day to every other day so if you are fine with pinning that much then yes.
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Hey guys sorry for asking soo many questions but i am having soo many mixed answers so let me try and be the most specific possible with my lack of knowledge i have ordered the El CLASSICO BEGINERS CUTTING STACK with :Test Propionate/nandrolone phenylpropionate/winstrole(and they offer me for FREE THE TAMOXIFEN)PLEASE ANSWER IF YOU ARE 10000% sure you are answering my question!While on the cycle do i need to take anything more than what given to in the PAckage ?????People are telling me to buy the AIBUt then people are telling me that i got the free TAMOXIFENwhat i want to know is while on the gear do i need anything else for my security to not have dramatic side affects ?IS THE TAMOXIFEN enough while on the CYCle?Is TAmoxifen the same as AI
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JB205
Nolvadex will not stop build up of estrogen but protects you more so from the sides like gyno, however armidex will help prevent estrogen buildup while on cycle
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Daniel Kostov
YES the TAMOXIFEN would do the job regarding gyno side effects. Tamoxifen is a SERM and not the same as an AI it is selective and imo not as well rounded as an AI for ALL estrogen side effects. With this cycle the doses and duration are low enough that you should be fine with just tamoxifen but if you want to cover a wider range of estrogen sides get an AI like adex and take .5mg every 2-3 days. you will only really know if you do bloodwork before you start and after and see how your estrogen changes. to recap yes tamoxifen will be enough to stop gyno sides and rly should be all you need but if you want to be even more cautious about estrogen sides (all of them) get an AI (stay away from Femara its too strong) and take it every 2-3 days at a small dose
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Fit_mom
You need to educate your self about each of these steroids. What the side effects are and how to treat them. Your going to use the answer from complete strangers? You have been given the answer many times. Good luck
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Matthew
I can help you buddy. Tamoxifen is a Gift. It`s free and can combat gyno. It doesn`t come with the stack. Other stacks, it will spell out the ancillary support from the gears it come with. So imagin you didn`t get a free tamoxifen, what do you need to combat estrogen or any sides with the Beginner Cut stack? AI for estrogen. Arimidex. But if that doesn`t work you need Aromasin. You need Nolva for gyno. But if that doesn`t work you need Roloxifene. But this a biginner stack so it is short cycle. And low dose. It has short ester too so if you stop using it the gear or sides will leave you too. All you need now is AI. But which one? Arimidex.
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Ned
Tamoxiphen is NOT an AI, but it CAN act as a first line defense again gyno by blocking estrogen at the receptor sites in the breasts. Essentially, as was stated in your other question, you need (a) an aromatase inhibitor and (b) cabergoline. Both can be kept “on hand” in case you run into serious side effects, like gyno or deca dick.
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Gore
The pre designed stacks come with everything you need just follow the plan as it`s layed out
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hey guys i took the el classico beginners cutting stack and was wondering if i need anything else with it incase of any side affects but a nice comment reminded me that in the Stack they also offer tamoxifen as a gift to fight back aromatisation if they appear!! is that enough precaution while i will be on cycle ?? obviosly i will need a POSt Cycle but i am asking during the cycle will i just potentially get aromatisation so the extra stack of Tamoxifen should be enough while on This special cutting stack inside the stack there is winstroletest propionate nandrolone Phenylpropionate
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evan johnson
Yes everything is there for that stack and yes tamoxifen would be enough if there is significant aromatization.
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Blaha
You should be fine. With the propinant ester its fast in fast out shouldn`t have to much build up of estrogen I would just hold on to what you got unless you feel you need it otherwise you should be good to go
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JB205
Novaldex should be enough for any sides, personally I would get arimedex for AI and save the Novaldex for PCT.
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John Rambo
Yes during cycle the tamox will be good for helping with gyno side effects. It`s more for PCT but it will gum up the receptors around the nipple so as to prevent gyno buildup. Only take it if you have a flare up. You can prevent this by taking an AI to keep your estrogen in check. Want to make sure when taking it to not take to much. Your body needs estrogen as well.
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Daniel Kostov
these stacks are usually well rounded with side effects in mind, though I would personally have an AI like arimadex on hand and keep the tamoxifen for pct like others said. good luck with your cycle!
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Matthew
I would get an AI like arimidex to fight estrogen conversation if it arises. Nolva is for gyno. Sounds like you need to read up on sign of sides as well. Take arimidex and Nolva as needed. So know you signs.
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hey guys so i have ordered the EL classico BEginners cutting stack and i was wondering if i dont need anything while on the cycle obviously i got to my PCT but while on te cycle i can safely take them wihout worrying of having any side effects and then wont have the time to order what needed last minute ?
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Zach Linder
You will need to get an AI for this (Adex, Letro, Arom) and might want to consider getting Caber as well. Some people are very sensitive to Nandrolone so it`s best to be prepared. Nandrolone will shut you down. Definitely get PCT now and consider HCG as well. Good luck
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nickname_832
You will need a aromatose inhibitor. Arimidex will do just fine. It depends on personal estrogen sensitivity. I don`t ever need an ai until like week 5 and I take 1mg split .5 Monday and Thursday or on pin days. Wait until you get start to see estrogen sides and then start your ai. That`s what I do. Good luck
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Fit_mom
This stack does come with Nolvadex as a free gift. You could try an AI like aromasin. Good luck
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John Rambo
Yes absolutely. You will need a good AI. Arimidex or even Aromasin. You don`t really have to take it right off the bat but if you feel sides coming on that is your key to start taking it. Start low with .5 adex every 3 days or even eod. But don`t overdue it. Your body needs estrogen to make gains. Good luck man
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Sarge
you should have an aromatase inhibitor, such as aromasin or arimidex on hand for elevated estrogen, as well as cabergoline on hand for the possible elevated prolactin.
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Daniel Kostov
adex and caber will be all you need to prevent sides with this cycle
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where can i buy the beginners stack i cnat find it on the website ?
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Drew
Aaster labs has a lot of great stacks I do believe they have a beginner stack as well. But you can just make your own stack on here just pick a lab and pick out what you plan on running.
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Anonymous 467
Looks like you`re on the product now. If you select the hyperlink above the question it takes you right there. Add it to the cart and check out. Easy stuff bro
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Karl
Hit the menu bar on the side and across down to pre designed stacks. They have multiple ones there to choose from. It`s way at the bottom of the menu page
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Cowboys20
Scroll all the way down and you`ll see pre-designed stacks. You`ll see it when it comes up. Also, just to add on to your previous questions, the El Classico comes with tamoxifen. Your levels will fluctuate, that normal. Just make sure it keep your dosage a decent level and run PCT. with tamoxifen included you`ll be fine
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Jx10r
Hit the menu bar and scroll all the way down to catagories ad its right there pre designed stacks
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LongIslandBEAST
Drop down menu in pre designed stacks. You can also find stacks on the Aaster Solutions link. Or if you can’t find them available just see what’s in them and get the compounds and tailed them to your needs and wants.
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hey guys i am just trying to reply om the answers that you have given me but what i need to know first is WILL I 100% HAVE THOSE SYMPTONS WHILE/AFTER TAKING THE ELCLASSICO BEGGINERS CUTTING STAK IF I HAVE TO TAKE ! WHAT I NEED TO KNOW WHAT/ WHEN /HOW LONG/THE AMOUNT TO TAKE
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Sven
This differs dramatically from person to person, and is also dosage dependent. Personally I virtually never need an AI unless I take over 1 gram of testosterone or equivalent a week, but others need an AI when taking TRT dosages of only 200mg testosterone. You should absolutely have some on hand, and take if early symptoms appear such as bloating, itchy nipples, etc.
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Johnny
Have some ai on hand but if you don`t get the symptoms just get a blood work done mid cycle to be sure your numbers are good
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Daniel Kostov
have some Adex on hand take .5mg EOD if you notice estrogen problemns and habe cabergoline on hand if you knowtice and prolactin sides. odds are .5mg of each will 100% keep those sides away at those doses. winny just take milk thistle for your liver
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Anonymous 467
Th AI is not mandatory but have it ready if you start to see sides. If you feel some pain or sensitive nipples start at .5mg every 3 days. Some need more some need less. You gotta pay attention and learn from your body. This will help with future cycles. Good luck bro
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Dr Scott
Not sure why you guys keep answering the same way. You specifically said you watched a video on estrogen dominance theory which is very different from elevated estrogen secondary to aas use. Estrogen dominance is the ratio of estrogen to progesterone. Often these ratios are fine in AAs but elevated and thats what causes the problem. If t is estrogen dom an AI may or may not help, if youre worried about elevated estrogen leves then what they said. an AI or nolvadexfor gyno only
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Gman
Everyone`s different it`s just a giid idea to have it on hand just incase you get symptoms. You may never get the symptom s if you do start low .5mg every 3 day s for 2 weeks its half life is about 48 hours then adjust you dont want to crash your estrogen it s easy to do that will also hinder your gains and lots of other possiable problems
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Hey guys i have a important questions so i just ordered for the first time the El Classico BEgginers Cutting Stack and i was doing some research and saw a video of a men getting injections of testosterone and was having test made on on and notices that he hD A HIGH AMOIUNT OF Estrogen in the body and after checking this out i saw some information on google saying thaIn men and premenopausal women,have too much estrogen â a condition called estrogen dominance â causes toxic fat gain, water retention, bloating, and a host of other health and wellness issues. so was wondering first will that happen to me how likly and what can i do what can i do to make sure that i dont get that while i will be taking bigger doses of testosterone than the person in the video ? wasnt taking ojnly 150mg per week when i will have to take 3 times more than him ?
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Marcos
Research an aromataae inhibitor – take arimidex at 0.5mg every three days and adjust upwards if needed.
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novadesert007
Make sure you take AI. .5 every other day. If your Test crazy high such as over 1000 then take .5 every day. The beginner stack that Naps created has everything you need. Just follow the instruction and you`ll put on 15-20lbs after cycle for sure. Good luck!
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Daniel Kostov
what you need is a Anti estrogen (Aromatase Inhibitor) therse will block the testosterone from, converting into estrogen. MY recommendation would be to take ..5 arimidex EOD as the dose of test you are taking isn`t thaty high and you may be able to take every 3 days. Also get some caber on hand for the prolactin sides of the NPP again the dose is low but you may get issues frim prolactin and think its estrogen and take to many AI`s so if your on the adex .5mg EOD and your libido goes away take .5mg of cabergoline and that will help
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Drew
I just take arimidex at .5 mgs eod through out my cycles. I never get any estrogen sides.
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Dr Scott
Stop, slow down. Estrogen dominance it a theory and has to do with the ratio of progesterone to estrogen. Your progesterone levels will be fine. I have been running gear for 25years and been in the medical field for almost 20 and have never heard of anyone presenting with estrogen dominance and toxic fat, not once. This is almost silly to even talk about there are a great many risks when you decide to begin this lifestyle. I rarely do this but take your el classico stack or whatever and keep it there for a few months. I dont say this with malice but really if you begin now you will very likely finish, ive seen this a thousand times. You will think you have some crazy side effect, give yourself PIP or something to just fuck it up. Anyhow to answer your question directly i think the likelyhood of you getting estrogen dominace and toxic fat to be so low as to approach zero. Best of luck, just take your time. did not mean for this to sound harsh please do not take it that way, we were all new once.
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JuiceNaps
Hi Adam, in order to combat high estrogen levels when taking superphisiological doses of testosterone you will want to have an aromatase inhibitor on hand. Arimidex works well. Take the ai as needed. Some people start at .25mg every 3 days and if the symptoms don`t subside up it to .5mg every other day… continue that way. The only way to know what`s really going on is to get blood work done which I highly recommend throughout, before and after the cycle. Good luck and thanks for the question
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2nd question sorry guys but for the el classico beginners stack after finishing my cycle do i need to take some medication for the post cycle?
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Gman
Well you will need a proper pct usually noveldex some use hcg. Starting 2 weeks or so after last injection. Failing to do a proper pct will result in a hormone crash your test levels will be very low resulting in loosing gains. And feeling tired loss of motivation. Just do some research on that internet thing it`s always good to research as much as possiable good luck
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NPC LIFE
Yes sir you do. If you are not cruising between cycles use some clomid. Start 2 weeks after your last shot. Run it for 6 weeks. I`m not sure about the stack you purchased but some of the stacks come with PCT.
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Will
Yes. Any injectable or oral AAS suppresses your natural levels, so PCT is needed. Do some research on Nolvadex and Clomid. Both should be ran during your PCT.
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Trenbologna sandwich
I would go with some clomid or hcg. If you are not jumping right back on cycle. It will help boost start your natural production of hormones and help you not feel so lethargic. But if I’m going back on in less than 5 weeks I usually don’t bother with it.
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RJB16
Always have Pct on hand when running gear. Nova, Clomid, Caber…. do some research and check any sides.. Good luck
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LongIslandBEAST
SIS Labs has a really great product that I use called PCT Tabs. When they’re in stock they’re worth buying. Very cost effective. Otherwise Nolvadex and Clomid.
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hi guys i just ordered the el classico beginners cutting stack and after reading all the questions i am a bit confused .i have been going to the gym 4-5 days a week and have made substantial gains but hidden under 10kg of fat precisely .will i be able to loose completely all and gain more muscle after finishing the cycle ?(obviously will be working hard hard at the gym and watching out on the food ) 2 nd question is i am still confused with the amount of injections needed on a weekly basis with the Items included in the package ?can i mix the necessary liquids of the day in one injection?Please all the help would be much appreciated
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BABA
You can mix oils in one syringe without any issues whatsoever. It would actually be the preferred way of doing it for ease and efficiency. Drugs can help but keep in mind that diet and exercise regimen is more important. As long as you have those down, you should be able to hit your goals with the aid of these drugs.
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Unc33135
Yes you can mix the injections in the same syringe and do them at once. Because they are both fast acting compounds you will be doing them every other day. Its very simple, say you started today youd do your shot skip tomorrow do it again the next day and keep going in that pattern until you run out. As far as how much you cut, thats going to depend mainly on your diet. But these compounds will def aid that. Ive done plenty of cycles where i gained weight but lost weight around my waist. Just train hard.
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Fit_mom
Gear doesn`t make you trim down. It`s your diet. Always diet. Gear will assist to some degree but diet is the workhorse. The plan is right in the description of this stack. Did you read it? Seems plain as day to me. Looks like 3x a week or every other day. You can mix the esters in the same needle. Good luck
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barclord
Yes, you can and you should mix them. The drugs don`t do the “cutting” for you, rather they allow your muscles to remain full and develop while in a calorie deficit which allows the fat loss. Good luck!
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nickname_21
When buying that stack in description it explains to you what dosage and when for each product. Just fo by the outlined cycle plan and when it comes to loosing body fat you will need to be in calorie deficit plus cardio daily if you really want to see the results you expect. The drugs alone will not lean you out like you think if your diet is not on point.
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NPC LIFE
Just a tip. Do not diet when you come off cycle. That`s the time you want more calories to keep your gains. Diet while on cycle. I definitely could help you tremendously on your diet but to hard to explain in short text. Look up carb cycling. I suggest you do that on next cycle. Get all the fat off your body then start on hard lean gains. You never want to go above 15% body fat on a bulk.
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does 1 set mean a weeks worth or 1 whole cycle 8-10 weeks
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JD Cycle
The set is the entire cycle, not just 1 week. If you click on details, it will show everything the stack contains.
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nickname_488
It`s for the entire cycle. Make sure you get a good pct too. Aaster is good but it`s on the expensive side you can get the same product for cheaper from other brands like geneza or dragon pharma
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Unc33135
This is for the entire cycle about 8 weeks worth. 8 weeks of test and npp with 7 weeks of winstrol. They throw in tamoxifen too.
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Will
Ordering this bundle is for the entire duration of the cycle if you follow the dosing protocol they lay out. If you`re wanting to run higher doses, you`ll need to purchase more.
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zachary hall
These bundles are designed to be everything you’d need for a full cycle. You’re good
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Ryan
This stack is for the whole cycle except pct
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When I take the shot a little leaks out. Is it normal or is there a way to not get it to leak.
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Will
That can happen at times. Leave the needle in longer and when you pull the needle out, pull it out slow. I sometimes wait a full 30-60 seconds after injection before pulling the needle out.
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Bswole
This happen to me also just massage the area well after u pull the needle out. I don`t think u have anything to worry about
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Skuchie
It’s normal if the muscle is super dense. If you want to keep this from happening, inject slowly. Count to 30 as your pushing in the plunger, then once the injection is complete, let go of the needle, (so you don’t move it around) and stay still for 30 or 45 seconds, then remove as normal. It gives the liquid time to disperse within the muscle fiber and nothing will come out of the injection hole.
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Fit_mom
Make sure your deep into the muscle. Glutes are best. Inject slowly and wait 30 or more seconds prior to extracting the needle. You can also pinch or slide the skin so that your injection point will be different between the skin and muscle. Once you release the skin it will wrinkle around the needle. This is called the z track method. Google it and you will see further details. Good luck
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Zach Linder
You can leave the needle in longer, but also try Z-Tracking method (google this). This will really cut down on oil and blood leaking out. Good Luck
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anon5_uk
You need to do the Z-track method of injection, you can google it how to perform it, its a simple few step process that will prevent exactly what you are going through.
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Hit description on cycle. Week 1-8 (10):Test Propionate 100 – 100mg EODWeek 1-8: Nandrolone Phenylpropionate 100 – 100mg EODWeek 1-7: Winstrol 10 – 40mg ED (split into 4 doses, 10 mg four times a day, most preferably after a meal) EOD means Every Other Day. ED means Every DayTo get 100mg of Test Prop – draw out 1ml. So i seen this sorry for being slow just tryna make sure I do it right. So I do 1ml to get 100mg once a day every other day?
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Fit_mom
That is a great cycle. Well done laying it out. Yes if the vial reads 100mg/ml then each ml is 100mg. Dont forget the ai as both injectionables can increase estrogen. Follow the suggested dose in the stack description of the tomaxifen. Good luck
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Drew
Yes I would take 100mgs eod. I would also take some arimidex.5mgs.
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gsockz
Yeppp that`s it. It`s in step by step so you can`t really get confused or lost.
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Yessir
Yes 1ml gives you 100 mg pinned once every other day. Looks like you understand well.
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Swoleville
My two favorite compounds. Yes inject eod. You can mix both in same syringe.
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Adam22
Yea 1 ml is 100 mg I personally got sick of poking myself so often so i use tri durabolin 300 from sis labs wich has 100 mg npp 100mg nandrolone decanoate and 100 mg undecanoate. So instead of 3-4 cc per week i only need 1 cc split into two shots. I add .5 npp100 with it to give it a little extra of the faster ester
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This is my first cycle. I just got my stuff in the mail but how much do I take of each?
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Gearpeace
Hit description on cycle. Week 1-8 (10):Test Propionate 100 – 100mg EODWeek 1-8: Nandrolone Phenylpropionate 100 – 100mg EODWeek 1-7: Winstrol 10 – 40mg ED (split into 4 doses, 10 mg four times a day, most preferably after a meal) EOD means Every Other Day. ED means Every DayTo get 100mg of Test Prop – draw out 1ml. Good luck
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sockz
If you go to the product page and click on description it gives you a whole cycle week for week just follow it and you will be good to go
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evan johnson
The product description page goes into the cycle specifications in detail. You should look there.
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Cad
Just click on the product, then select description. It will have all the info you need for cycle instructions. If you bought the pct stack that naps sells, do the same. Read the instructions thoroughly. Make sure you have pct on hand before starting the cycle, repeating myself here just to be safe.
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Drew
If this is your first time cycling I would only be take test at 500mgs a week.
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Muddawg
On the product page hit the description and a full cycle description will come up. Its detailed so you`ll be good to go.
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I just did a tren cycle an gained some weight is this ok to take an keep my muscle an cutt the belly fat your cutting stack ?? R do I need something else
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YD1
Hey bud whats up. Yes its ok to do what you want. With the proper diet you will achieve great lean results. Just make sure you have some caber for the nandrolone. You might not at all due to it being on the low range but you never know. Good luck bud.
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E-Bomb
Diet is the primary factor when talking about cutting. Tren is a magnificent drug and really, not much can compare to it`s ability to transform you cosmetically in such quick time. This is using NPP, so don`t expect such drastic changes immediately either. Adjust your protein a tad higher when cutting – make sure you`re in a real deficit and make sure you`re driving home those carbs and you`ll remain full while leaning out.
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KTUCK
Hounstly you would be better off doing another tren cycle with some masteron and maybe some anavar makes sure you take the same amount off cycle as you where on cycle cutting and bulking are mainly dictated bye your diet you should be about 300 calorie deficit but keep always keep your protein the same whether bulking or cutting protein should be about 1 to 1.5 grams per pound of body weight there`s some great macro counter apps out there to help keep you diet in check
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Fit_mom
Ktuck hit the nail on the head. Tren is a much better compound to use if you have experience with it to lean with. Diet is what is going to make your belly fat go away. Along with cardio and plenty of weight training. Gear doesn`t make the fat go away on it`s own. You still have to put in the hard work and proper diet. Good luck
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nickname_518
The beginners stack is a good, simple stack but like some others said, since you already have experience with Tren than imo I say do another tren cycle with a proper diet in a slight deficit, cardio and maybe even throw some Winnie in
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N88
This one is okay…it has short ester test and NPP but not ideal. I`m with the others….tren or DHB….since DHB is still sold out just go with tren. Anabolics wont lean you up unless your diet is good
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This is my first cycle I`m trying to lean out before I bulk up. Is this a bad idea? I would just like to add some muscle and loose alot of fat. I`m 43 any advice would be helpful.
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ViktorN
We would love to help you my friend!! You’ve came to the right place. To start this would not be a good as a first cycle. It’s actually bad. You need to start with test only cycle. TestE at 200mg a pin. Pin twice a week. Purchase Arimidex for AI, purchase Nolvadex (tamoxifen) and Clomid. Have all this in your hands BEFORE you start. But you can’t start on your first cycle unless you cut down on eating bad shit. Diet is key to loosing fat. When you reach that last few pounds (fat) then you can introduce gear. I am also assuming that you’ve been hitting the gym. Get as much muscle as possible. Once you reach you limits then introduce gear. Then that will take you to the next level. Then you can see me on Mt. Olympia! 🙂 do a little research and ask us more questions. Once you introduce gear your body will never be the same; bad and good. Hope that answer your questions. And good luck my friend!
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Marcus
Its not a bad idea but it depends how much bf you have. Deca will make you little bloated but nothing to worry cuz test prop and willy should balance it out. You should be good just food needs to be on spot and you need decent amount of cardio. Getting lean or bulking up is all about what you eat and calories you take. Gear is just to help you out get there easier.
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N88
Its up to you to lean up first or do it during a cycle. Just use test 300 to 400 mgs a week. For the diet up the cardio and eat clean….less calories in than burning.
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nicknam456
For first circle take any test Enanthate or cipionat or sustanon 300 mg a week , you can add turinabol as well 40 mg a day 3 month plus diet. Then pct chlomid and nolvadex
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Kyler
Well it all depends on your goals if your looking to just get leaner no its not a bad idea after all its your body (just be cautious and take AI plus a good PCT)