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El Classico Beginner`s Bulking Stack

Hey recently bought this stack I`m pretty good on pct even got the hcg ready. I normally am prone to gyno I was wondering what I should run on cycle dose wise with the nolva and also should I be worried about prolactin and get caber as well and the doses for that if so.
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Winning13 User profile
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The Arimidex that comes with the stack is a great start for any sym of gyno. I always have this on hand with any cycle that I run. Arimidex is very strong and if you seem to have any symptoms take 0.5 or a half tablet every other day until symptoms subsides. You should be good to go. GL

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JD Cycle User profile Expert
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I use arimidex to prevent gyno, use the nolva to suppress if it starts. I would consider getting Caber for your first Deca run. If you dont need it, save it for a next higher dosed deca run.

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Will1 User profile Expert
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It`s good that you have nolvadex on hand, but you don`t need to take that as a preventative right away. You only need to start taking if you see signs of gyno. Your AI is what will control your estrogen. Make sure you have arimidex or aromasin for an AI on cycle and you can usually start with 1 tab every 3 days. If estrogen shows as being a problem through acne or sensitive nipples, increase to every other day. Whenever running tren or deca, it`s always a good idea to have caber on hand. You don`t need to take it unless you see prolactin issues. Normally excess water weight is what I`ve ran into for prolactin issues. If you start having those issues, caber is strong enough to take 2 tabs a week. You shouldn`t need more than that which is nice because caber isn`t cheap.

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nickname_21 User profile Expert
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Just use what comes with the package as it states. You should be fine good luck

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nickname_311 User profile Expert
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You can run Arimidex if you want to to limit the estrogen that you don`t want to crash it.
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It says in the description:”250ml x 3”is that only 3 vials?Is this not enough for a full 12 week cycle?
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Pookie User profile

Test E 250 x 3 bottles. Each bottle has 10 MLs of 250 per ML = 2500 mgs of test per bottle x 3. At 500 mgs a week you have enough for 15 weeks and this protocol only calls for 12 weeks. You have more than enough
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BigOlRed User profile

Yes that is plenty. You could even run a couple weeks 600 or 700
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Big Dogg User profile

It is a pre designed stack so it is obviously enough for the cycle it is designed for. It says testosterone enanthate 250 x 3. That means 250mg/ml x 3 10ml vials. I`m guessing this is your first cycle. Just stick with testosterone only. Get some exemastane or Arimidex and nolva and/or clomid (preferably both) for PCT. You`ll save money and may make more gains not juggling sides. I dont use deca because of sides. I love NPP and I will run 100 mg/week of deca for joints but nothing over that. As a beginner you shouldn`t stack anything. Just use test you`ll spend less and gain just as much. This stack doesnt even come with caber or bromocriptine for potential sides from deca.
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Dan User profile Expert

Yes that`s enough test. You also are taking Deca with this cycle. 12 weeks is plenty time to get some gain. It`s is spell out each week. You will do well my friend!!
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Once AndForAll User profile

Great cycle it is. And all in all you have even more than you need for this predesigned stack so you can even prolong it a bit if you feel you are ready to do so. Try it and let us know the results brother! Stay safe!
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Cycle User profile

12 weeks at 500mg
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Hello, I was wondering when you would be in stock again?
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Will User profile Expert

Nobody in the QA section will be able to answer this. Start a ticket with Naps support. They may have an ETA
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Papi1224 User profile

Aaster is all showing coming soon, you never know when they will be back in stock. You may contact naps and see if they can tell you
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skitt User profile

Will have to ask customer service this question and they maybe able to give you a time line..
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MegaCycle User profile

QA is answered by other customers, not naps employees. You need to open a ticket to get answers from naps themselves
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Nickname_327 User profile

Send nap`s help a message they will get you ur answer
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JB205 User profile Expert

Your better off just opening a ticket with Naps. They might be able to get an answer for you.
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So I ordered this stack and purchased with Bitcoin. My order says it was paid but it`s being processing for Days!! Says it hasn`t shipped yet. Im getting a little impatient. Tomorrow will be a full 7 days in this status but that does include the weekend so I guess tomorrow will be day 5 working days. Has anyone else had this experience? Hurry up! Haha
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Challenger Dude User profile

You’re good man. They are taking 7-10 business days right now before the update. Part of my Jan order currently shipping from a CA carrier in the continental US. First time I’ve seen this.
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Drew User profile

I wouldn`t worry about it brother all the non China labs are most likely getting a lot more order so to the Chinese New Years and none of the China labs shipping out till February.
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Big Dogg User profile

Welcome to international black market shipping. Get some patience if you plan to do this more than once. If you want It packaged so it will get through customs and your vials wont be broken you`ll have to wait.
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C30 User profile

Orders have been delayed lately. Be patient. Wait a few if nothing then reach out to Naps. Good luck
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Dromeo User profile

You`re good brother. No need to worry about it. Contact Naps if you`re really that concerned. But again I wouldn`t worry. You`ll have the product in 3 or 4 weeks.
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Dan User profile Expert

5-7 days not including weekends. Be patient bro. This is normal.
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Guys, thank you for your previous answer. I have another one, please don`t laugh…. but does this stack cover the whole length of the cycle I.e 12 weeks, or do I need to purchase it multiple times.I have seen some items state, for example, 1 pack (10 amps (250mg/ml), does that mean the pack is a combined total of 2500mg/ml or the total weight is 250mg/ml for 1 pack.Thank you.
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nickname_464 User profile

This is a complete stack and has everything you need for the whole cycle. However you will still need to purchase your PCT for when you finish cycle. If your into buying the pre designed stack you can buy the PCT stack and it has all you`ll need for when you finish your cycle. For your question though this has all you`ll need, but of you haven`t ran a cycle before you might think about going for a testosterone only cycle, but again no matter what you choose you`ll still need your PCT (post cycle therapy) for when you finish. Best of luck mate.
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Anthony Nascimento User profile

no that bullking stack is all you need, its 2500ml in the whole bottle so 250 per ml which has 10ml
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Taylor User profile

It`s a valid question. If you follow the exact week to week lay out that they provide it will be exactly enough for 12 weeks plus your PCT.
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Predestined stack User profile

Pre designed stacks are designed and I Clyde all compounds needed for the duration and periods of the cycle.youll have everything you need for each stage of the cycle. Pct is on you to do after the fact.
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Cyclone User profile Expert

This is everything you need for a single 12 weeks cycle
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Matt Beard User profile

All good for complete cycle. Get AI and PCT before starting tho.
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First time,guys quick one, will this cycle have any effects on my hairline?… I am 31 years old with a perfect hairline and hair is quite thick for someone my age. Also, male pattern baldness is not common in my family tree. My dad at 70 odd still has some hair. if there are, please advise on precautions. thanks in advance.
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Nathan Co User profile

With almost any anabolics, you run this risk. Not sure to what extent because it varies person to person, but if it`s in your genetics, this will only speed up the process, more or less. What`s hair for anyway?!? Collecting sweat and dirt… I mean seriously. Shave it off and be done with it.
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Gymr User profile

It will speed it up if it`s in your genes. If not then your pretty safe with low risk. But the more and longer you run the risk will raise.
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Anthony Nascimento User profile

it wont do anything for a first cycle but the more you cycle, it speeds up the process of hair loss and hair loss comes from the chromosome/gene that`s associated with your mums side of the family.
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GainsVille_85 User profile

there’s always a risk of hair loss with any AAS, however, if you’re already 31 and have no signs of thinning I think you’re in the clear. It’s genetics. AAS just speeds it up.
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.50 caliber User profile

most aas especially bulking ones will speed up hair loss. its a give and take thing. but if your 31 and have no loss yet thats aplus
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JuiceNaps User profile Expert

Hey Chicken, I`ve found that all compounds even sarms can have an effect on your hairline if you have the male pattern baldness gene in your dna. I recommend finasteride at 1mg per day, nizoral shampoo 2-3 times per week, 5% minoxidil twice per day and biotin shampoo every other day. Thanks for the question
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All, I am going to run this stack after my second cycle of just TestE. What should I do for a PCT? Please make it as simple as possible for a noob to understand. I haven`t noticed much gyno with 500/ week of TestE. Had to take .5 of Amiridix (Spelling?) eod at the end of this last cycle but was fine other than that. Please include dosage/ when to take/ etc. Thank you all in advance, I have had great answers on here before!!
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JuiceNaps User profile Expert

Hey, for PCT I like nolva and clomid. Start the PCT 2 weeks after your last shot and use dosages of 40/40/20/20 and 100/100/50/50 respectively. This is an aggressive PCT and may be more than you need. The beginner stack includes free nolva as a bonus. Their thinking might be this is all you need. The best and only way to really know what is going on is to get blood work done. Get it before, during and after cycle. Then do your PCT and get it again 6-8 weeks later. Remember the goal of the PCT is to bring you back to normal function. If you plan to cycle again shortly after I would consider TRT (also depending on your age, if over 35). Thanks for the question.
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evan johnson User profile Expert

Take clomid at 50mg ed for 4-6 weeks along with nolvadex at 20mg ed for 4-6 weeks. You can take HCG on cycle but is not necessary.
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Jackson User profile

Pct for a cycle like that is pretty standard. CLOMID and Nolvadex for 4 weeks. CLOMID should be split each week by 100/100/50/50 mgs. Nolvadex 40/40/20/20 for 4 weeks. AI should be taken 1/2 pill 2x a week unless sides get worse. Should start AI as soon as you start your cycle. Some people like to wait until they feel sides but I start right away to be proactive with it
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Drew User profile

Your pct should look something like this a week after your last injection start hcg 500iu eod for ten days after that clomid 100mg Ed first week 100mgs Ed second week first then 50mgs ed week three 50mgs ed week four. Nolvadex 40mgs Ed then for two weeks and the 20mgs Ed for three more weeks after that 5 weeks total on the nolvadex. For the first two week of nolvadex and clomid split your dose half in the am half in the pm the for the remaining weeks just dose in the morning. Good luck.
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Matthew User profile

JuiceNaps is on point with pct protocol!! As for AI on cycle, no need for AI unless you feel sides. What you are doing with 0.5 Arimidex eod is fine with feeling sides coming up. You pinning 500mg testE only and jas no sides is good sign you are not sensitive. But you are adding Deca to this mix and you could develop sides so pay attention to sides. Take .5mg arimidex to curtail it. If not up it to .5 ed. Good luck!
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N88 User profile

You can go full blast and start with HCG 3 days before last pin EOD 750/750/750/750/500/500/500/500 then start Nolva and/or Clomid 40/4020/20, 100/100/50/50
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All, I am brand new to this so please forgive this ignorant question. How long should I wait after taking just pill “test booster” from supplement store to start in on this? Or will it matter? Also will I be ok to keep taking BCAAs and creatin protein and pre workout on this cycle? One more question, I travel once a month for a week for work and was wondering if this would be a problem checking a bag with it in there at airport in US? Thank you for the help soo much, and any advice for a beginner I need to know, I am all ears!!
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anon5_uk User profile Expert

Well the pills you took are probably a bunch of herbs mixed together, so it`s nothing compared to actual gear. You can start straight away, but make sure you get blood tests done pre-cycle. BCAAs and creatine doesn`t matter. Traveling with gear is a risk-reward scenario, it`s up to you but I`ve done it before no problem.
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Fit_mom User profile

Welcome to the world of gear lol. So any test booster from a supliment store is a total waste. They dont work at all. Starte your cycle when you are mentally ready. You will eat as you would to gain muscle naturally. You still need the building blocks for muscle to grow. So Bcaa, protien, carbs, fats, water just to name a few standards in body building. You can still use prework drinks if you want. Gear just helps us along with proper diet and training. Just place your needles and vials in your checked luggage. Store it all in your toiletry bag if you want. TSA isn`t looking to pop gear users. Look up some videos on YouTube on how to pin. Good luck
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Bobby User profile

You should be fine starting right away. Those test boost pills are non sense. Keep everything as far as pre workout, creatin, vitamins and clean diet. As far as flying, once per month is a lot to have to skip and the risk is too high to fly with. Totally your call but I would try to time the injection toons right before you leave and right when you return
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nickname_537 User profile

The pills you took did nothing (and i know) because they`re crap and raise nothing. Even if it raised your testosterone by a few nanograms that`s garbage because you need to double your testosterone level in order to start noticing any appreciable gains. Just start the cycle because you`re just coming off of useless herbs and some odd vitamins/minerals that are using fancy scientific names. Don`t waste money on that useless garbage man, and now you know why you never saw results. Also nobody cares about bcaas or creatine or pre workouts, nobody will stop you. Just do steroids, eat a lot of protein like one gram of protein per pound of body weight, eat healthy, drink about a gallon of wayer a day, and the only supplement you need is whey protein powder like low calorie high protein whey (iso Sensation 97) look into that. Bcaas are incomplete proteins, incomplete proteins build zero muscle, bcaas only have very specific uses of which i forgot and don`t care (i think if you`re on a severe diet). Only supplement you need is protein powder and it`s just plain food to begin with. All it does is allow you to get protein in your body minus the excess calories or fat from regular meats and helps grow muscle if you workout hard and smart and it`s genetically determined as well as to how fast anybody can grow…so there you have it. By the way pre workouts are just caffeine with fancy names man, there are many caffeine like stimulants dude, honestly drink coffee (i buy caffeine pills) it`s a few bucks a bottle per month, don`t overdo the doses and save tons of money!
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Nashdaddy User profile

I wouldnt waste time with the test boosters. They provide no benefit really. Using those nutritional supplements are a go during cycle with no worries and as far as traveling many of us do that successfully and odds are you will be fine if you just put it in with your toiletries but at the end of the day there is always a risk. Totally up to you.
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Big g User profile

Start now if you want to test boosters do zero waste of money. If u have to bring gear on plane I would draw what u need and put it in a eye drops bottle or if the gear is dark put it in a ambisol bottle. Hope this helps
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All, I am brand new to this so please forgive this ignorant question. How long should I wait after taking just pill “test booster” from supplement store to start in on this? Or will it matter? Also will I be ok to keep taking BCAAs and creatin protein and pre workout on this cycle? One more question, I travel once a month for a week for work and was wondering if this would be a problem checking a bag with it in there at airport in US? Thank you for the help soo much, and any advice for a beginner I need to know, I am all ears!!
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anon5_uk User profile Expert

Well the pills you took are probably a bunch of herbs mixed together, so it`s nothing compared to actual gear. You can start straight away, but make sure you get blood tests done pre-cycle. BCAAs and creatine doesn`t matter. Traveling with gear is a risk-reward scenario, it`s up to you but I`ve done it before no problem.
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Fit_mom User profile

Welcome to the world of gear lol. So any test booster from a supliment store is a total waste. They dont work at all. Starte your cycle when you are mentally ready. You will eat as you would to gain muscle naturally. You still need the building blocks for muscle to grow. So Bcaa, protien, carbs, fats, water just to name a few standards in body building. You can still use prework drinks if you want. Gear just helps us along with proper diet and training. Just place your needles and vials in your checked luggage. Store it all in your toiletry bag if you want. TSA isn`t looking to pop gear users. Look up some videos on YouTube on how to pin. Good luck
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Bobby User profile

You should be fine starting right away. Those test boost pills are non sense. Keep everything as far as pre workout, creatin, vitamins and clean diet. As far as flying, once per month is a lot to have to skip and the risk is too high to fly with. Totally your call but I would try to time the injection toons right before you leave and right when you return
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nickname_537 User profile

The pills you took did nothing (and i know) because they`re crap and raise nothing. Even if it raised your testosterone by a few nanograms that`s garbage because you need to double your testosterone level in order to start noticing any appreciable gains. Just start the cycle because you`re just coming off of useless herbs and some odd vitamins/minerals that are using fancy scientific names. Don`t waste money on that useless garbage man, and now you know why you never saw results. Also nobody cares about bcaas or creatine or pre workouts, nobody will stop you. Just do steroids, eat a lot of protein like one gram of protein per pound of body weight, eat healthy, drink about a gallon of wayer a day, and the only supplement you need is whey protein powder like low calorie high protein whey (iso Sensation 97) look into that. Bcaas are incomplete proteins, incomplete proteins build zero muscle, bcaas only have very specific uses of which i forgot and don`t care (i think if you`re on a severe diet). Only supplement you need is protein powder and it`s just plain food to begin with. All it does is allow you to get protein in your body minus the excess calories or fat from regular meats and helps grow muscle if you workout hard and smart and it`s genetically determined as well as to how fast anybody can grow…so there you have it. By the way pre workouts are just caffeine with fancy names man, there are many caffeine like stimulants dude, honestly drink coffee (i buy caffeine pills) it`s a few bucks a bottle per month, don`t overdo the doses and save tons of money!
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Nashdaddy User profile

I wouldnt waste time with the test boosters. They provide no benefit really. Using those nutritional supplements are a go during cycle with no worries and as far as traveling many of us do that successfully and odds are you will be fine if you just put it in with your toiletries but at the end of the day there is always a risk. Totally up to you.
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Big g User profile

Start now if you want to test boosters do zero waste of money. If u have to bring gear on plane I would draw what u need and put it in a eye drops bottle or if the gear is dark put it in a ambisol bottle. Hope this helps
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How many and what type of syringes will I need? Also what pct should I run and is everything for the 12 weeks included?
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omeed haji User profile

Yes everything for 12 weeks in included and I do use the blue needle 1.5 inch 2.5 ml syringe and you will need colmid and adex and nolva for pct and make sure you have caber in hand. You will get good results with this stack I did this stack before a year and I got very good result .good luck
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Skuchie User profile

It looks to be 2 injections a week for 12 weeks, so 24 pins would be enough. But if I were you, I would buy a box of 100 leur locking 23g x (1 1/2)length syringes to inject with and buy 50 18guage needles to use to draw from the vial, and follow the directions listed in the description of the product. Then search PCT STACK, in the naps search box and you’ll find a product with the description of all the products and doses you’ll need for a complete PCT.
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LongIslandBEAST User profile

Get yourself 3mL syringes with a 23g/25g 1” and 23g/25g 1.5” needles. Those will be good for deltoid, thigh and glute injections. This stack comes with tamoxifen but grab Clomid as well. Double dose for the first two weeks of your PCT. run your PCT 6-12 weeks depending on the length of your cycle and also begin it about a week after your last injection. This is so most or all of the testosterone suppressing compounds are out of your system and don’t interfere with the PCT compounds.
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YD1 User profile

Everything is included except syrings, alcohol pads ect… As for how many syringes get at least 50 to pin and a couple to draw but I would buy more as you never know. This stack as I see includes a total of 5 vials. I use 25 gauge 1″ syringe to pin and a 18 gauge to draw out of vial. Amazon has some good deals for syrings I buy the 50- 100 pack made by BD Manufacture. If you wish to buy in your local Walgreens if in USA then each one is .50 cents but it all depends in what state you reside in as some states you need a prescription to buy. As for PCT this stack includes Tamoxifen (Novadex) as a bonus but its also good to buy a bit more since they are not expensive. Like I mentioned for the syringe its good to buy by bulk there is many places online you can buy. But I believe you should buy 100pack and save the rest for the future if you want to do another cycle. Good luck bud!
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anonymous255 User profile

I would buy 30 1 inch 25 gauge syringes. For PCT I would go through one vial of HCG and buy two packs of SIS Labs pct tablets and take one every night before bed. You only need to take the tabs for a month, but I suggest to get more because you never really know how long it will take your body to recover so it’s good to have plenty on hand.
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anabolix250 User profile

I like using an 18g needle to draw with. I use a 1.5” 23g needle with 3ml syringe to pin with. There are an abundance of online distributors that sell needle/syringe combos in boxes of 100. As for any PCT or on cycle therapy it looks as though this stack already comes with arimidex and some nolvadex. I would get some clomid and caber as well. The arimidex and caber are good for during the cycle in case you are susceptible to any side effects. Arimidex for estrogen due to the test and caber for progesterone due to the deca. For PCT. nolva and clomid starting 2 weeks after last pin. 4 weeks total for PCT. Clomid at 100mg ed for 2 weeks then drop it to 50mg for the last 2 weeks. Nolva at 40mg ed for the first 2 weeks then dropped to 20mg for the last 2 weeks. Hope this helps bro. Good luck with your cycle!!
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If I’m paying for this with money gram how does that work? Do I send it in or what?
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Richard Weber User profile

Hit the moneygram option,follow instructions get ur refrence # it the 8 digit # that what you get after you pay fill everyrhing out and MAKE SURE U GET THE RIGHT PERSONS NAME THATS SUPPOSED TO PICK IT UP,and put the total dwn for what you ordered minus the moneygram fee.And then you,ll get email saying it will be picked up in 1 to 3 work days minus weekends,then u,ll get another email saying thanks for your order.Then you get the tracking # and your all set
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nickname_610 User profile

Download moneygram application and follow the instructions which you got after you paid, you will see name, whom to send, country where to send …. my advice pick ria instead , or even better bitcoin . I was using money gramm before. However one time naps cancelled my order because money gramm declined my transaction. I got all my money back but I had a headache and spend time to call to moneygram and go to moneygram station. They did not have enough cash to give me , then I drove to another money gramm station…
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N88 User profile

Download the app then follow the instructions. Still recommend you use litecoin or bitcoin…..way smoother transactions
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TestLab User profile

After checkout there are great instructions on every payment option that naps has. They down to the step. Check it out if you havnt done so already. If doing a purchase I using MG i advise to send it like on mondays or Tuesdays as you sont want to send it Thursday or Friday because the weekend is near and naps is off. So tou will have to wait 2 days extea. Take care.
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I am researching every avenue I can here. And I’m taking all of your answers into consideration. You guys are great
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nickname_48 User profile Expert

Its always good to get as much input from others as possible but your body will respond differently to different compounds. Your side effects might be different than what other people have said here or if lucky you might not get any of them
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Don O User profile Expert

The NAPS Q&A is a great resource with many experienced users who have excellent practical, experiential, and theory based advice, I find myself looking through it all the time and adding to my body of knowledge and am super happy you do too brother, good luck in your lifting endeavors.
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ROBERT User profile

No problem, just do yourself a favor and also research other places as well. If you Google certain things you might walk away with the information from their and what you gain here, giving you exactly what you need when picking out an exact cycle to run.
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Vincent Valentine User profile Expert

Kudos man, keep up the research and the thirst for knowledge. I`m sure you`ll master the basics in no time.
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LegacyLifter User profile

I hope I helped at some point but if not then you`re welcome anyways!
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nickname_957 User profile

we are here to help man, glad to hear it
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If I got this cycle,will I need to order a pct cycle for when this is finished or does this have all I need for that?
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evan johnson User profile Expert

It comes with the nolvadex, but it would be a good idea to also order clomid separately for your PCT.
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nickname_48 User profile Expert

Add HCG and Clomid to the cycle. Take 250iu of HCG twice a week until 1 week after your last injection then 50mg a day clomid for two weeks and then lower the dose to 25mg for another 2 weeks
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Will User profile Expert

You`ll need Nolvadex and Clomid for your PCT. Those are NOT included in this stack. HCG is not needed, its optional. I`ve personally never needed to use it. Bought and used once and my levels have always been perfectly restored off the first 2 compounds I listed.
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B Rad User profile Expert

Youll probably want to add to your PCT, the pre-designed PCT stack has all avenues covered and will certainly get you back in biz ASAP.
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Bigger&Stronger &Faster User profile

Your PCT approach should be very cycle specific. All pre-designed PCT stacks are quite funny as there is no such thing as pre-defined PCT stack. PCT depends on products used during the cycle and its length. So there is no one silver bullet.For this one clomid and Tamoxifen should be enough but a couple of pins of HCG would be great during the last two weeks of the cycle to speed up recovery and bring bacl testicular functions.

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