I know the diet is the main aspect in cutting up. Sometimes I feel low energy or maybe I`m overdoing it and wind up cheating. It throws me off. I need tips and advice. Do I just diet and diet until I reach my goal and forget about losing muscle because the steroids will preserve them? Can I add t3 or anything else to speed up the progress? Do I increase cardio? I need a solid 20lbs fat loss to cut up. I`m 6ft 1 and 205lbs but look pretty big, I think it`s more to do with muscle shape and proportion, I appear like maybe 240lbs big arms (they only measure over 16″ but look like 19″ somehow, the shape and peak etc). I mean I just don`t wanna get skinny looking, I almost feel I can get to 180lbs very cut at 6ft 1 tall and look like a solid 215lb to 220lb guy. But I`m scared. I don`t wanna look skinny guys, I certainly don`t want that typical basket ball player look etc obviously. I would appreciate any and all tips and advice. Do I just say the hell with it and diet down plus cardio lifting heavy taking my roids eating a gram of protein per pound of body weight and see what happens??
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fkyle User profile
I do high protein high carbs…. i need the carbs for energy but I get it from rice….eat a low fat diet to make your body use your old fat as fuel . I say diet loosley… it`s more of a life change I no longer diet… depends on how far you want to take this… As far as energy levels man buy a fitbit and keep track of your calories . That will tell you everything you need to know…. I keep an eye on what I`m burning and what I`m consuming…. depending on cut or bulk will depend if I maintain a caloric deficit or bulk consume more than what I burn. That is a science I used for weight/fat loss… You can eat all day long as long as you eat the right foods. Your diet is everything. depending on what aas your using. some will preserve lean muscle mass like say tren. Its One of my favorites you can use it to cut or bulk….
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Zach Linder User profile Expert
JamesEarl, you`ve answered your own question. Yes you need to be consistent and remain disciplined to reach your goal…your goal is very realistic for you to accomplish as well and tbh, I wouldn`t even consider relying on supplementation. This is the mistake I see many people make. You need to go back to the drawing board and really weigh out all aspects of your day. Sure nutrition is key, and going to the gym to work out is important, but do you manage your stress well? Sleep/rest/recovery? How is your work life balance? etc… If you rely on supplementation to achieve your results than you are approaching this the wrong way. Consider hiring a REAL coach. You will have to spend the money for sure, but I feel confident that a good coach will be a great asset to keep you on track and help change things along the journey as this is always going to happen. Don`t over think this. Good luck.
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Uhoh38125 User profile
watch Greg Doucette `Why You are Wrong about Counting Macros EXPLAINED!!!` video on youtube… its easy to swell back up with a little water if you dont want an atheletic look like a basketball player. you have to use a calorie counter and trim the fat off slowly. after you get the fat off, do a bulk cycle and eat properly. using 10mg DBOL pre-workout for a while on top of a proper bulk cycle will fill you back out pretty fast. I am doing the same thing you are – cutting body fat right now. When Im done I will pound a structured cycle with testosterone, therapeutic NPP, winstrol, EQ, and some pre-workout dbol…. but this time with a proper diet. I will never dirty bulk again. my next gains will be lean and slow… Im gonna base with test and eq and phse the dbol winny with npp next time… sorry this was messy but you get it
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Swoll,onthe,low User profile
Diet is most of it along with intense training to burn fat and tone up or so tear the muscle tissue so new muscle growth occurs either way I intensity workouts and proper eating
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Sometimes I feel low energy or maybe I`m overdoing it and wind up cheating. It throws me off. I need tips and advice. Do I just diet and diet until I reach my goal and forget about losing muscle because the steroids will preserve them? Can I add t3 or anything else to speed up the progress? Do I increase cardio? I need a solid 20lbs fat loss to cut up. I`m 6ft 1 and 205lbs but look pretty big, I think it`s more to do with muscle shape and proportion, I appear like maybe 240lbs big arms (they only measure over 16″ but look like 19″ somehow, the shape and peak etc). I mean I just don`t wanna get skinny looking, I almost feel I can get to 180lbs very cut at 6ft 1 tall and look like a solid 215lb to 220lb guy. But I`m scared. I don`t wanna look skinny guys, I certainly don`t want that typical basket ball player look etc obviously. I would appreciate any and all tips and advice. Do I just say the hell with it and diet down plus cardio lifting heavy taking my roids eating a gram of protein per pound of body weight and see what happens?? Answers:1FkyleUser profile ReplyI do high protein high carbs…. i need the carbs for energy but I get it from rice….eat a low fat diet to make your body use your old fat as fuel . I say diet loosley… it`s more of a life change I no longer diet… depends on how far you want to take this… As far as energy levels man buy a fitbit and keep track of your calories . That will tell you everything you need to know…. I keep an eye on what I`m burning and what I`m consuming…. depending on cut or bulk will depend if I maintain a caloric deficit or bulk consume more than what I burn. That is a science I used for weight/fat loss… You can eat all day long as long as you eat the right foods. Your diet is everything. depending on what aas your using. some will preserve lean muscle mass like say tren. Its One of my favorites you can use it to cut or bulk…. 1Zach LinderUser profile Expert ReplyJamesEarl, you`ve answered your own question. Yes you need to be consistent and remain disciplined to reach your goal…your goal is very realistic for you to accomplish as well and tbh, I wouldn`t even consider relying on supplementation. This is the mistake I see many people make. You need to go back to the drawing board and really weigh out all aspects of your day. Sure nutrition is key, and going to the gym to work out is important, but do you manage your stress well? Sleep/rest/recovery? How is your work life balance? etc… If you rely on supplementation to achieve your results than you are approaching this the wrong way. Consider hiring a REAL coach. You will have to spend the money for sure, but I feel confident that a good coach will be a great asset to keep you on track and help change things along the journey as this is always going to happen. Don`t over think this. Good luck. 1Uhoh38125User profile Replywatch Greg Doucette `Why You are Wrong about Counting Macros EXPLAINED!!!` video on youtube… its easy to swell back up with a little water if you dont want an atheletic look like a basketball player. you have to use a calorie counter and trim the fat off slowly. after you get the fat off, do a bulk cycle and eat properly. using 10mg DBOL pre-workout for a while on top of a proper bulk cycle will fill you back out pretty fast. I am doing the same thing you are – cutting body fat right now. When Im done I will pound a structured cycle with testosterone, therapeutic NPP, winstrol, EQ, and some pre-workout dbol…. but this time with a proper diet. I will never dirty bulk again. my next gains will be lean and slow… Im gonna base with test and eq and phse the dbol winny with npp next time… sorry this was messy but you get it 1Swoll,Onthe,LowUser profile ReplyDiet is most of it along with intense training to burn fat and tone up or so tear the muscle tissue so new muscle growth occurs either way I intensity workouts and proper eating Reply:
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nickname_311 User profile Expert
Sorry don`t know what I just did I did that in the past also one other time. Phone must be glitching or something wrong.
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JamesEarl User profile Expert
Lol I got confused by that, I was wondering.
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RonaldCoe User profile
That`s nothing. I missed me bus to work, after taking the time to read it.
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How much is this needed to lose weight? 1. Just started working out daily 2. I eat clean so please ( No rude suggestions about this not being a magic pill I get all that) I have one 100 pills of this. Do I mix the T3 and T4 or just take the T3 alone? And can I mix this with Anavar? Thanks
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nickname_21 User profile Expert
So the body produces an average of 30mcg of t3 per day. So anything above that will do I prefer 50mcg per day some go higher but t3 does not just target fat if you go to high like 100mcg per day you will risk loosing muscle. So start out at 50mcg and make sure you do some cardio at least 15 minutes of steady state 3 to 5 times a week and increase through out the cycle eat low fat low to moderate carbs depending on how sensitive you are and high protien diet. With weight training you shall succeed
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JamesEarl User profile Expert
I have researched and discovered that t4 converts to t3. T3 is the active metabolism enhancing fat reduction as well as muscle eating hormone. I don`t recall exactly, but I believe I believe t4 is about 25% as powerful or effective as t3. In essence 100mcg t4 is 25mcg t3. I`d say for efficacy combine 50mcg t3 with perhaps 75mcg t4 effectively increasing total t3 to about 70mcg worth of t3. Any less than 50mcg t3 supplementation is ineffective because the average person makes about 25mcg to I suppose 35mcg t3 daily. Therefore taking under 50mcg of t3 is basically shutting natural t3 in exchange for pretty much the same amount of t3 resulting in being on square one all over again. Some ironically respond better to t3 plus t4 because t4 does not readily convert into t3 in certain people. Conversely some respond better to t4 as their individual metabolic pathways aid in its conversion to t3 while rendering regular t3 into what`s called reverse t3 wherby which you`ll get the opposite reaction. It gets a bit complicated but the gist is take 50mcg t3 plus say 75mcg t4 and eventually 100mcg t4 on top of 50mcg t3. The thyroid gland is called a proper gland which means it always restarts very fast without pct. Some patients restarted their thyroid gland after 20 plus years of continual heavy t3 dosing due to medical misdiagnosis. So use it for a few weeks or even a couple months. Still don`t go overboard because it eats muscle too and not just fat. Without ample testosterone and other roids t3 supplementation will catabolize your muscles away rendering them burned for fuel. Take your roids, train hard, eat plenty of protein if you wanna take t3 and t4, and expect it to be the icing on the cake where your actual diet results will be the meat and potatoes. Good luck, it`s a bit confusing but I hope I generally explained how this works and I hope it helps!
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AmaruArrahim User profile
Hello can I take this with Anavar also? Secondly is one pill 50 mcg? Thanks
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JamesEarl User profile Expert
No, one pill is 12.5mcg t3 only and 50mcg t4 in this case. You should purchase separate t3 and 24roids sells it. 12.5mcg t3 is insufficient and will render your thyroid shut down in exchange for only like 30% of your natural dosage your body makes on its own. 50mcg t3 plus say 75mcg t4 is what you need. Or at least use 3 pills, it will land you at 37.5mcg t3 and 150mcg t4 in that case, so it`ll even out. As for anavar, yes you can use it with this. But you need at least 50mg anavar daily if not more for at least 10 weeks. Don`t go over 12 weeks even though anavar is mild just to be safe. Use liv52 and if you have funds add NAC also. But use at least liv52. Diet is 90% as you know, and the rest these drugs can help if used correctly. Good luck with it man. By the way there is. I such thing as a steroid cycle without Testosterone because all steroids shut down testosterone. Add like 400mg to 500mg testosterone, you cannot ideally use anavar alone because it`s bad to have low Testosterone and you`ll lose your results later if you didn`t have Testosterone in there.
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AmaruArrahim User profile
What T3 product do you recommend? I only have 100 pills of the t3 and t4 mix and 100 pills for anavar. Please let know your recommendation for me to start and stop and what I need to purchase in order to reach my goals. Thanks
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JamesEarl User profile Expert
I suggest looking at 24roids t3 and hopefully at least 25mcg per tablet. You`d need two per day but don`t exceed three. As for t4 remember about 25% converts to t3. So 100mcg t4 is 25mcg t3 after conversion. Total after conversion should land at 75mcg but not under 50mcg. T3 can turn to reverse t3 depending on the person. Therefore these days t3 is used with t4 to ensure no reverse t3 is made rendering it useless. Now t4 may not readily convert to t3 in some either. So the logical combination is say 50mcg t3 plus say 75mcg t4. You can go a bit higher if you wish. Mainly remember not to go overboard although the thyroid gland will bounce back your wasted muscle will take very long to rebuild. So be cautious but eat at least one gram of protein per one pound of your body weight to prevent t3 muscle breakdown. Use 500mg Testosterone to enable an anabolic environment for more muscle preservation. Train hard. That should safeguard your muscle. In the end you need to ensure muscle is not wasted in pursuit of fat loss. So it`s individual specific because each person reacts differently.
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AmaruArrahim User profile
So, all in all, how many pills do I need? I was told to go 12 weeks and should see results. Thanks
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i have Hyperthyroidism and i was highly active and a very good ball player but now after this i have no sustaniable energy and have lost weight. Im trying to find something than can combat the hyperthyroidism and let me be able to function?
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Zach Linder User profile Expert
Hey Shannon I deal with hyperthyroidism as well. Best thing you can do is DON`T RELY ON SUPPLEMENTS FOR THIS because you will be on them the rest of your life 🙂 EAT!…a lot…like a shit ton. And eat the right food! good luck
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YD1 User profile
Hello, Well to tell you the truth it is best to seek a doctors advice since we dont know your hormone levels due to your thyroid pumping more hormones than usual. One of my good friends doctor in florida prescribed him cannabis and it worked like no other med. Everycase is different due to levels of hormones the gland creates. But I would try to seek a doctor first before making a jump here. Good luck bud.
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LongIslandBEAST User profile
As a Nurse I recommend you see a physician rather than trying to figure it out yourself. With hyperthyroid they will likely want to kill your thyroid and put you on T4 (synthroid) while bodybuilders will take T3 instead (cytomel). A physician will be well worth the cost.
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Skuchie User profile
Since it appears you have already been diagnosed with Hyperthyroidism by a physician, and it is an medical condition, it’s best to be treated by an actual doctor, and not a bunch of strangers. I’ll be the first to admit that a lot of people on 24roids know there sh*t when it comes to cycles, and PED’s, but very few are medical professionals. Something this serious, needs to be treated as such. I wish you the best of luck.
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Joe Hodgins User profile
While I don’t know much on this subject, I would have to say that even if someone who is educated about it could weigh in that it would still be best to go see a dr who specializes in your condition because like others have said it all depends on your hormone levels and how severe. I will however second the medical marijuana part as I have a friend who said it helps him greatly.
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nickname_556 User profile
Like every one else said consult your Dr but if you insist on going your is be route just purchase t4 but not recommended without physition
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Is this more potent than taking T3 alone?
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Muscle pup User profile
Your pituitary gland converts T4 into T3, so yes the product is more potent in terms of you having more T3, however the conversion rate is about 50%. You are looking at about 37. 5mcg of T3 plus what your body produces.
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Tren Man User profile
T4 converts to T3 so you can just take T3 to make it less complicated. Remember this will bring your natural T3 production down so you have to increase or decrease the doses slowly over the time.
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anon5_uk User profile Expert
Not necessarily, T4 is the inactive form of T3 (T4 gets converted to T3 on a per-need basis). T3 is what you want if you are looking for fat loss. This product is more of a replacement for underproducting thyroid. I always take just T3 and never a thyroid mix medication.
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LegacyLifter User profile
Once your body adapts to the supplement you will not produce any more T3. But have no fear as after you stop taking it your body will thyroid will rebound in a matter of weeks.
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LongIslandBEAST User profile
With T3 and T4 one converts into the other in the body. I would not say it is more potent but it is more complete, in that, it will provide your body with a complete thyroid profile so if your body is lacking either the active thyroid hormone or the precursor hormone this will provide both and will therefore give you a more complete hormone profile. However only one of those is actually going to do anything so it is not more potent, no.
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RJB User profile
As stated T4 convert to T3 so with that being said I would say one is not more potent then the other.
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Will taking 1 dosage a day suffice? I will be stacking it with 125 mg Test E, 150 Tren E, and 2-300 mg of Mast E. I weigh 277 lbs with 18 percent BF at 70 inches. I have used all products before so level would be intermediate, thanks.
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evan johnson User profile Expert
Yes once a day will suffice. Take both on an empty stomach first thing in the morning.
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Mike Jones User profile Expert
T3/T4 exhibits a half-life of 2.5 days, and it is therefore completely unnecessary to split up T3 doses throughout the day, as ingestion of the complete daily Cytomel dosage in the morning is adequate.
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michael vanacore User profile
the body produces more then 25mcg a day.so taking that would be a step back. i wouldnt suggest using t3 unless you have serious experience or you feel like your tren is high and effecting thyroid. see how your body reacts if you lathargic get bloods done and keep an eye on it. once you mess up your thyroid from over use of t3 there is no turning back remember that.
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Don O User profile Expert
For an intermediate user you`ll probably be happier with using 2 per day. T3 @ 25mcg will give you a nice metabolic boost without revving you up too much and burning up calories you need for staying anabolic and building muscle, the T4 is pretty mild stuff compared to T3. If you`re feeling good and want want to speed your metabolism up even further you can ramp up the total T3 to 50mcg (or even a bit higher as some users report) but remember that for muscle building you dont want to use too much T3 because your body will burn up your calories/nutrients instead of retaining them for anabolism, its a slight balancing act so I wouldn`t go too far with it.
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bigmurph User profile Expert
I would recommend using ephedrine hcl amps or Helios even clenbuterol before using T3 or T4 messing with your adrenal glands can really leave you in a bad place if they don`t start to produce normally again. The thermogenics like an ECA stack or Helios you can even site inject would be my goto way before ever using the T3 or T4.
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anon5_uk User profile Expert
Your T3 usage is a wise choice your cut, since you are also using tren. 12.5 mcg T3 and 50 mcg T4 is absolutely sufficient dosage for your need, going any over would increase the rate of protein degradation.So my suggestion is as follows: take SINGLE tab ONCE per day, in the morning, on an empty stomach, preferably after an over night fast (i.e. you slept for 8 hours and didn`t eat anything).T3 will take some time to kick in. Half-life is 2.5 days. DO NOT FRONT-LOAD.
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Zero User profile
One dose a day is all you really need anymore you`re most likely just wasting your product
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Matthew User profile
Yes one dosage would suffice. However if your body doesn’t react too badly to it side effect wise and stimulation then you may take one dose in the morning and one dose in the afternoon. Do not take at night because it stimulates most and sleeping would be an issue.
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Lav3ga User profile Expert
There are plenty of protocols for thyroid drugs and most of them are destructive to your natural production. One pill daily would suffice for four weeks, then up to two for another three week. The important part is to TAPER off. After the 3 weeks at two a day drop back to one a day for another month, then either drop it all together or run half a pill for another week or two. But in your case, I think there might be better methods.Drugs like this are used to shed the last few lbs before competition when calories are low and natural thyroid function is down regulated. We`re talking going from 7 or 8 percent, down to 5 or 6. You state in your post your 5` 10″ 277 lbs at %18 body fat. 18 is way to high to start a cut with drugs like this and I also think you may be a bit off on your body fat estimate. With your weight at that body fat you would be about 230 lbs LEAN MASS. That is huge, and if you had size like that, you wouldn`t be asking this question, or referring to yourself as intermediate. I mean no offense by the above and say it only to help you make a good decision about your drug choices. If I was in your shoes, I would run the gear like you have laid out in a dramatic calorie deficit (-1000 Cal`s) for the length of the cycle. Do some higher volume training and don`t be shy of the cardio. On those drugs at +%10 body fat you will gain muscle while burning fat at 4 lbs or so a week. Get closer to being shredded and then bring the thyroid drugs in.Beat luck brother
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Chris M User profile Expert
1 dose first thing in the morning should be a good starting point. Then maybe increase by half a dose after 2-3 weeks. Personally, im not a fan of T4 and only use T3. If you trying to lean out, my favorite compound is DP CY3. Of course nothing you take will have any effect if your diet isnt on point. But ive had a few clients use this test, tren, mast cycle, with the CY3 and each one got great results!
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D-man User profile Expert
The dosage you would need would be dependent on your current Thyroid function. T3/T4 does not have any reported side effects aside from hyperthyroidism symptoms, which only occur if you are taking too much of it. It does, however, interact with a variety of drugs, including medications used for diabetes, blood-thinners and birth control pills. If you have an underactive thyroid, taking this kind of medication will result in rather rapid weight loss, especially if you are already dieting and exercising. If your thyroid is functioning normally, you will not lose weight taking normal doses of thyroid medication. Also, thyroid medication can cause you to lose muscle, especially if your thyroid is normal.