Advanced Bulking Cycle | Questions & Answers

advanced bulking cycle – pre-designed stack: do you take the deca+ test for 10 weeks or 12 weeks? the description is confusing
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MichaelSmith

The deca and test is 12 weeks.

Zilla

You take decca & test for 12 wks

JD Cycle

You take them both for the full 12 weeks. The test you`ll notice about 12-14 days into the cycle, the deca should start to be noticable close to the endnof the 4th week….give or take a few days. I`ve ran this cycle, just not from the predesigned stack. It`s good shit…..research your diet for optimal results.

zachspaulding

thanks, gents. I`m on wk 9 and loving it.

JD Cycle

You can likely drop dosage to 500mg T and 300mg Deca to extend the cycle a little longer.

JohnSmith

You`ll be taking the test and deca for 12 weeks but can always cut the deca out early if you wish.

JDuke

Stop deca 2 weeks before you stop test as it stays in your system longer if u stop them both at same time you may or may not get some deca sides from not having the test in your system because test wears off faster hope this helps don`t forget to vote …that`s ny next cycle as well just with some dbol for first 4 maybe 5 weeks also have clomid and nolva for pct clomid helps you recover faster from nor 19s
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Ran this cycle an loved it ! Taking some time off then hitting this one again I reduced from 220 to 211 after even with a PCT any tips on how to keep the size off the cycle. Or am I just gonna keep shrinking. I`m also on GH right now 4iu`s a day for about two months after hitting this cycle.. gonna stay on growth for another 2 months any tips to put this mass on?
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JB205

Unless you bridge between cycles, theres nothing other than running a good pct and honestly hitting the gym hard and still keeping your diet on point. Your going to lose some of the gains you made but not to worry, soon as you start your next cycle those gains come back quick, some say it`s from muscle memory that you quickly get your gains back and start making new ones.

N88

When going off cycle and doing PCT you will lose water weight plus some muscle regardless of how you do it. The only way folks keep almost all the muscle gains is tapering off into a cruise trt dose.

YD1

Hey bud. You will want to keep eating the same as while on cycle. Maybe throw in a bit more clean cals in there ontop of what you are eating on cycle. In addition, keep hitting the gym hard. We all loose a bit and thats normal after pct. Good luck.

Bog Dogg

You can bridge with low dose of Turinabol and Proviron. You can “cruise” with trt dose of test. Otherwise just workout hard and focus on diet and recovery. Keep workouts intense but cut down volume vs. on cycle or add recovery time. You wont recover as efficiently off cycle and can over train and work backwards.

Ricco

I would strongly advise AGAINST bridging between cycles, unless you are ok with never fully recovering. As someone else mentioned, losing water weight and fullness is inevitable, but careful attention to your diet and going HARD in the gym will help you keep the highest percentage of the gains.

nickname_537

If you cruise on 250mg to 300mg test weekly especially with hgh or even test alone you`ll keep most of the size off blast.
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Gyno went away very easily thanks guys! Quick question 2 weeks after my last poke what’s the best recommendation as to how many iU’s to use per day an how often you use HCG an Clomid an Nolva while coming off this cycle
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nickname_537

40 mg nolvadex for 2 weeks, 20 mg nolvadex last two weeks, clomid 100mg 2 weeks, 50 mg last two weeks. Get rhcg. It`s synthetic because regular hcg is from pregnant female piss and official medical literature states disease cannot be guaranteed excluded. Besides why inject piss derived hormones when they jave synthetic rhcg. R is for recombinant and it`s synthetic. I`m throwing out my hcg…I`m waiting for rhcg.

James chestnut

Never had to use hcg but i know clomid and nolva are 4 weeks nolva take 40/40/20/20 clomid 100/100/50/50

Joe Hodgins

James is correct with the clomid and Nolva. Start that 2 weeks after last pin. As for the hcg, I personally don’t like it during pct and I prefer to take it while on cycle and I know a lot of guys would agree with me to leave the hcg out of your pct. If you incorporate it into your next cycle then take 250iu’s twice a week for the full duration of your cycle up until pct time

evan johnson

500iu hcg 2x a week and 50mg clomid ed for 4-6 weeks.

Bill Deb

Use HCG throughout cycle. 250ius pinned 2x per week. Take CLOMID 2 weeks after last pin. 300mg first day. 100 mg for 10 days then 50mg the last 10 days. No need for Nolvadex but if you do take it. 40mg for the first 10 days and 20mgs for the ne t 10 days

N88

IUs of what? If HGH you can start immediately. If hcg run 5000 IUs total starting with last pin…..EOD 750/750/750/750/500/500/500/250/250, PCT starts 14 days after pin
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I’m taking the “Advanced Bulking Cycle”, exactly how it tells you to take it is how I’ve been following it. I have a tiny lil gyno starting should I use less of something in this stack more of something or add anything ?
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N88

Start by upping the AI “GP exemestane” to 25 mgs everyday. Do you have Letro or Nolva on hand? If nolva you can also zap it by doing high dose 60 mgs ed for two weeks then drop to 20 for two weeks. Try upping the AI first before adding the SERM

nickname_610

Take nolvadex 60 mg one week then 40 mg next week , then 20 mg following week .

Robert

I would take 25mg everyday of your AI. Also as mentioned pick up some Nolvadex.

ViktorN

You already taking an AI which is Exemestane (Aromasin) ) it’s not curtailing gyno so you need to take Nolva which is a SERM and it is gyno targeted. Take 20mg Nolva per day for a few days and see if your gyno stop. If not bumpnot up to 40mg. I am pretty sure it will work at 20mg. Good luck my friend!

michael patsalou

Try nolva, 20mg should be enough per day

Swoll,onthe,low

Ad nolvadex at 20mgs a day that will take away any gyno estrogen sides.
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I’m taking everything to the exact “T” with this cycle an having little gyno anything I should add or take less of?
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Nattygains

Hard to answer that or give any advice without actually knowing the cycle youre taking. Also gyno can be caused by many different things and several things can fix each problem.

anon5_uk

Yes, add caber. Your gyno could be prolactin induced. Or up your AI. You`ll need to get a hormonal panel blood test done to determine what your current estrogen and prolactin levels are. Seek for a self-pay clinic near you with a quick Google search to do so.

Maison

Your either getting the gyno from estrogen or prolactin from the decca. I would pick up some arimidex.5mgs eod . Also get some caber .5 mgs twice a week. That’s should take care of your sides.

Skuchie

Being that this cycle has you doing 750mg of testosterone enanthate a week, that’s steep. You don’t mention how familiar you are with steroids, or cycling so I’m guessing your new to this, as is your body and your bombarding your system with a lot of chemicals. And it appears as though your estrogen sensitive, so I’d recommend backing off the testosterone to 500mg a week and I’m hesitant to recommend adding .5mg of arimidex EOD because your already on a strong AI with the exemestane. So back off the test and see how it goes.

Robert

Take 25mg daily of your AI and look into some Nolvadex.

Swoll,onthe,low

Try taking additional nolvadex at 2pmg a day and see how that deals with the estrogen sides
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How often would you take a Arimidex an a Nolva on this Cycle an how often a Caber pill 0.5-1mg?
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JD Cycle

If you take this exactly as prescribed you should NOT add Arimidex as Exemestane is Aromasin. You do NOT want to take Arimidex and Aromasin at the same time. I would recommend sticking with the Aro this stack comes with as it`s a suicidal AI. You can start at EOD and if required go to ED dosage of it. Keep Nolva for Post Cycle Therapy or if you get full blown Gyno. I would keep Nolva and swap Arimidex for Clomid to add to the Nolva for PCT. You can add HcG for PCT as well. Wait on caber until you feel prolactin sides, then start with .5mg twice a week. Since this is long estered test (enanthate), do not start PCT until 2 weeks after your last pin, but continue to take your AI during that two weeks.

SocalJuicer

Spot on advice from JD CYCLE, do exactly as he said. Nothing really to add, as he gave perfect advice.

N88

As others has stated you are all set for AIs so dont add arimidex. Keep caber on hand in case you get prolactin sides and nolva is for PCT….14 days after last pin.

Jackson

This stack already comea with an AI so your covered dont worry about it!

nickname_48

The stack comes with everything you need. Just stick with the instructions and you would be fine, don`t add anything to the pre designed stacks

nickname_537

Don`t add two ai`s. You`re fine without arimidex.
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Will the GP Anastrozle an GP Nolva pair well with this for any sides along with the daily exemestane?
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JD Cycle

You shouldn`t need the Anastrozle with this stack as exemestane is an AI and it is already included in the stack. Recommend changing Ana for some Clomid and still purchase the Nolva. These will not be for during the cycle, but for your PCT. Remember to wait 2 weeks from last injection to start PCT.

Swoleville

If the cycle has exemestane then you don`t need anastrozole

John

You don`t need to add anything to the per-designed stacks. Everything is taken care of you just follow the instructions.

Mtrain

You won`t Anastozole, as this stack comes with an AI. And you shouldn`t take Nolva on cycle, it reduces your IGF-1 levels, so should be used during your PCT.

nickname_464

This is a great stack with quality products, GP is in my opinion the best lab they offer. As everyone has said you will not need the Anastrozle and the only thing you could buy for in cycle support would be a liver supplement, other than that it`s always a good idea to have your PCT in place for starting any cycle. Best of luck mate.

Jackson

Theres no need for it as the stack already has a AI
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Just got ahold of some Armidex thank you guys! Not sure why I put Dbol though I know it’s Anadrol, an the symptoms were so minor I just needed answers to my questions to make 100%, you guys always come through! Last thing though would Sumatropin be a good mix with this cycle?
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Zach Linder

Glad you got some adex. just remember, minor sides STILL means sides are happening. I wouldn`t add anything else to this cycle!! lol dude just cool off and ride this one out. Less is more, especially when you`re having sides (even if its GH your using)

N88

Normally I check the stack before answering but was a pretty straight forward question. AIs are cheap order extra….EU orders have been getting in at two weeks or so.

evan johnson

Yes adding HGH to this stack would only enhance your muscle building results.

Massgains

Happy to hear brother I run arimidex with ever cycle never hold on to any water just stay lean as can be

LegacyLifter

Hgh is not necessary but it can be added to any cycle at 2-3 iu/day.

Swoll,onthe,low

2-4 iu hgh a day will help growth and recovery over time
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So I have been having some itchyness to the nipple little irritation nothing major, but don’t have aromasin or armidex just Nolva an Caber what does anyone recommend? Just during the 4 weeks of the Dbol
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N88

Should have had AIs before staring the cycle especially when taking dbol. Start with 10 mgs ED or 20 mgs EOD of nolva for preventive measures…increase as needed. In the meantime I would get some AIs.

Mike Jones

This cycle doesn’t contain dbol, oxymetholone is anadrol not dbol, regardless you should be using an ai when taking dbol or anadrol and add nolva when taking anadrol, this cycle contain all aromatizing compounds, so gyno is very susceptible using this cycle with no ai. I’d grab some letro and use it at 2.5mg a day for 2 weeks along with nolva at 20mg a day for the same 2 weeks and see if the irritation clears

SteveC

I would definitely start taking the nolva as that should help clear up some of your symptoms at 20mg a day. Secondly, I would get some ai asap because you will almost certainly need it for this cycle. Take the nolva until you get your ai.

Will

Get Aromasin or Arimidex as soon as you can and never begin a future cycle without an AI on hand.

Zach Linder

WHYYYYYY did you not purchase the appropriate items to prevent this stuff prior to a cycle….I agree with Mike, Grab some letro (might be a bit harsh for you, but it`s the only AI that works for me). Be realistic with yourself though, ordering it today from 24roids will take at least 2 weeks to get to you, which means your sides will continue to happen. See if you can find someone who can spot you some Letro or Adex ASAP. Next time if you decide to cycle, get everything ahead of time. Protect your body

JD Cycle

Honestly, if you cannot acquire AI in the next day or so, I would cut my loses and stop the cycle to run Nolva. Chalk this up to lesson learned….Always have more AI than you need. As a somewhat newbie myself, I have 2 full cycles worth of AI before I start 1 cycle plus plenty of PCT. Think long term health, not short term gains that result in long term damage.
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Extremely tired on advanced bulking cycle: Follow up info from yesterday-I posted a question that I got some good info from. However, some of you wanted my dosages. Since I posted it under “Advanced Bulking Cycle” and started off with “I’m on week 2 of this stack” I figured this would be known. Well here it is:750mg/week Test E500mg/week Deca50Mg Ed drol12.5mg Ed Aromasin
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Zach Linder

Your blood levels are probably all over the place. Get some bloods done ASAP (trust me do this!) and see what exactly is going on. From a personal standpoint I would drop the dose of the test and deca. You`re not going to see much of a difference at all. It will take a couple week or two before you start to feel a difference, but I`m sure this would help tremendously.

LegacyLifter

The drol is probably the culprit here. You`re like some of us wherein any oral will cause lethargy. Drop the dose or cut the oral out and see how you feel after 3-7 days. If you get your energy back then skip orals from now on.

Swoleville

Its probably the oral. I am currently taking superdrol and I feel a little run down

ROBERT

I would suggest on getting blood work done, monitoring your levels and possibly getting off the oral.

Will

Orals can have many side effects like taking your appetite away, lethargy, feeling sick. Sounds like you`re experiencing this from the anadrol.

J.P.

It`s possible that the fatigue could be from a number of things or the synergistic effects of a couple of compounds. While what you`re running has produced similar results in many guys, I`d still go through a controlled process to know for sure what it is. To start, drop the Anadrol. It may not be the cause of the fatigue, but Anadrol is rather toxic and until you sort this out eliminating it from the cycle temporarily will rule it out. Second look at you estrogen. No one short of ordering labs will be able to determine if your AI is dosed correctly for you. 12.5 ED of Aromasin is a decent dose, but you may need more, or less. When experimenting to find your ideal AI dose keep notes on how you look and feel. Also try not to alter the dose frequently but instead allow a dose alteration time to prove itself. Third is the often overlooked Deca side of out of balance prolactin. Pick up some Cabergoline. A decent starting dose will be around .5mg every 3rd or 4th day. My guess, and this is only a guess, is that your estrogen is out of balance. Either way, I`d order some Caber sooner rather than later. These days the only people saying you dont need Caber with something like Deca or Tren are the guys who think it costs too much or have never experienced it
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Hey Bros,I’m on week 2 of this cycle. Everything was awesome until a few days ago. I suddenly feel tired beyond all belief! I can nap twice each day for hours at a time. Then I have to drag myself to the gym for a lame workout. I’ve heard conflicting reasons this is happening, but I trust this platform over all.First, this is not my first cycle, However it is my first experience with deca and drol. I also never used Aromasin in the past, only arimidex. I wondered if I had tanked my estrogen so I didn’t take Exemestsne for 24 hours-No difference. It should have been out of my system by then correct?Also, I had test flu way back and this doesn’t feel like that. I’m just dead tired all the time as opposed to sick. Could the deca and/or drol cause this symptom?I know the first thing everyone will say is “Test your bloods”. I’m really hoping anyone might have some suggestions or ideas.Thanks in advance.
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nickname_537

All I know is anadrol 50 causes a lot of fatigue in some individuals. For me it caused a great appetite suppression. I experienced insomnia. It`s odd that you`re experiencing sleepiness. Well all I can say is that everybody reacts differently to varying medications and it must be true the anadrol 50 causes extreme fatigue in some then. All I can suggest is that once your off of anadrol this will gradually subside in a short day or two.

Alexthebody

Please keep us updated let us know how you`re doing and if this help once you got off of the 50

nickname_48

You might have over worked the muscle and burnt out. Listen to your body and take free days off

Scott

Dosage for the drol and deca? I ran some drol about a year ago and had very similar symptoms. Thankfully for me it was the only compound that was new to me in that cycle. Dropped that stuff after 6 days. 3 days later was back to normal and grinding. Which was lame because I really was looking forward to it and pretty threw cash in the trash. Everyone handles gear and compounds differently. In your case hopefully it’s just that, if you drop the drol and see you getting back to yourself after 2-3 days, you know you’re GTG and your body doesn’t agree to it. Goodluck on the rest of your cycle bro.

Socaljuicer

You neglected to mention the dosage for the Aromatase Inhibitor as well as the other substances you are taking. Repost another question with this info. Also, just because the aromasin has pasted the half life, doesn’t mean your estrogen levels would be back to normal, this can take a week or longer to resolve itself.

Beard

If your estrogen isn`t being suppressed enough you cab get this type of symptom. When I`m on drol I can definitely get some 24roids in during the day, fall asleep if I`m on the clutch more than 15 minutes. But I get in fuckin amazing workouts no matter what. This stack for me is always amazing. Are you getting in enough carbs throughout ur day?
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What to stop sore nipples on this?
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Beard

When I run this cycle I also run 20mg of nolvadex during the anadrol. Because anadrol doesn`t convert so the AI doesnt effect it. If hits straight at the receptors. If it still doesn`t help either get a stronger AI or up the dosage until it does. I`m very gyno sensitive and 12.5 aromasin and 20mg of nolvadex during the 4 weeks of drol and I`m good.

tits4test

I would run caber with that much Deca. Whenever running Tren or Deca caber is a must. I start at .25 every 3 days and jump it to .5 if need be

Will

An AI like Aromasin or Arimidex to control estrogen. Caber to control prolactin.

Maison Jardin

Your either going to need arimidex or caber depending on if your estrogen or prolactin is to high.

Constantino Alvarez II

arimidex,nolvadex,maybe caber if you need it.start arimidex at .25 first and go from there.nolvadex at 20mgs at first.caber at .25 first and on and on.

SteveC

Pretty much what everyone else said. Beard hit the nail on the head with the a bombs not converting, so nolvadex would work well if that is what`s cause the soreness. If it is a prolactin issue, however, you are going to need caber. Like t4t said, start at 0.25mg every 3 days and if that doesnt do the job then make it 0.5 mg every 3 days. Best way to know what you should do exactly is to get labs done though so you can see if your prolactin is high or not. Good luck!
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Now say I don’t run HCG the entire cycle an have a full PCT for after this ? Would my natural come back the same as running the whole time or differ?
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Dalton Carpenter

It really depends man, eery person reacts and responds different, im on week 9 of 500mg test e per week and have not used my hcg once and my balls still have not shrunk, so im still producing natty test, so it depends with every different person

Dan J

Well running hCG during cycle will keep your testicles from shrinking, which will allow your PCT medications to start working faster after the cycle. Should you leave out the hCG, your testicles may start to atrophy slightly 4-6 weeks into your cycle, and they may lose size at the end of it. This would mean your PCT meds will now have a smaller testicle size to “work with” to restore your hormonal balance to pre-cycle levels, which means a slight delay in recovery. hCG is always optional, but all it does is it speeds the recovery post-cycle. Your natural test levels would eventually come back just as good with or without hCG. Without hCG, you may extend your PCT slightly, lets say for additional 2 weeks at 20 mg/day of Nolvadex only should be fine. Rememver though: never run hCG during PCT, it is always reserved for during the cycle, since it is supressive on its own.

Massgains

If all depends on the individual I know some people need to run the hcg to get there levels back to normal there others like my brother for instance he barley runs anything for pct and always fully recovers. So if you didn’t run it on cycle

Anonymousone

I would say taking hcg would definitely speed up the process how ever it is definitely recommend that if you didn’t take the hcg on cycle to take it when you come off to jumpstar your balls. But to answer your question there no real way to tell if you levels would come back the same with or without hcg.

GainsVille_85

Impossible to know without bloodwork. Each individual responds differently. When the experts and other knowledgeable contributors respond to these types of questions we’re offering general guidelines that *should get the average user close to where they need to be. Take them as guidelines and use your bloodwork results to hone in on what you might need to change to find out what works best for YOUR body.

Jack

Running hcg while on cycle allows you to bounce back much quicker since you don`t have to wait 3 weeks for testicles to wake up, as to whether or not it would bounce the same is debatable. If you want to be sure you have to know your numbers before and after so you can compare them
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Basic PCT stack enough for this? An will Cabaser be needed? I read it’s okay/normality run nolva duing also
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Scott

Nolva as PCT or if gyno symptoms become an issue. Stack comes with an anti estrogen compound and should suffice while on cycle.

Mike Jones

If you are running hcg from the start of the cycle the basic pct stack should be enough for this stack. Caber will be necessary for this cycle since it will be over 200mg of deca a week .5mg every 3 days should be the sweet spot to lower prolactin and revive the caber benefits. I prefer to run nolva anytime I use anadrol or oxy because while it doesn’t aromatize so ai will be useless it does stimulate estrogen and nolva will stop this from developing in the breast area

anon5_uk

If by basic you mean Nolvadex + Clomid, then yes. Have Caber on hand, yes, but I wouldn`t just run it alongside cycle for no reason. If you get deca dick, then run it, however running it without any symptoms and you risk crashing it, which isn`t a good thing.

evan johnson

Yes basic PCT stack will be enough for this stack. Have caber on hand if prolactin related sides come up but you may not need

ROBERT

I would think it`s good enough for your PCT. Maybe have some caber put aside just incase

Anonymousone

I would pick up some caber for the deca Prolactin sides. And if you run hcg on cycle. All you should need is clomid and nolvadex if you wanted to jump start your balls you could run hmg 75ius a day works amazing. Clomid 50mgs ed one month nolvadex 20mgs Ed one month
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So half a pill of the Exemestane a day will keep away all Estrogen sides? What if your taking full pill every other day? Or will your body not break it down like it should
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nickname_857

If you started bloating you can slowly increase the dose. You need to have a healthy level of estrogen in your body to gain muscle. Too much estrogen causes bloating, high blood pressure and gyno but too little will damage joints, tendons, and your muscles also won`t grow. This cycle was designed to work for as many people as possible assuming most body types and BMI`s, your body will react differently. Although it should work just fine but its your job to fine tune the doses to get the best results out of it. Take a blood test, check your levels and adjust the doses accordingly.

GainsVille_85

You’ll want to tailor the dose to suit you. I take 12. 5mgs on injection days and it seems to work great for me, but I’m running about half the gear that’s outlined in the cycle.

Anonymous

I don`t take estrogen at 500mg/week of test e, although on this cycle you have to take 750mg/week I think the outlined dose is enough to keep estrogen at bay.

Will

The answer to your question on dosing depends how your body responds to this cycle. If you`re watery, sensitive nipples, constantly bloated, these are all signs of high estrogen. Now, you dont want to completely shut down estrogen either because that will make you feel terrible and cut your ability to grow down. If you notice the above estrogenic side effects, then add the exemestane at half a pill every other day. If in a weeks time that doesn`t cut down the estrogenic side effects, do a whole pill every other day. You have to experiment and see how your body reacts. I get estrogenic sides even at lower doses. Some people only get them on high doses.

Beard

If I`m not mistaken aromasin has a short half life so it needs to be taken daily. On mild cycles I do 12. 5 every day. On heavy cycles I`ll do the full 25mg every day.

Jim

TKe it as it says. If u see side effects u can up it to 25 per day. The half life of aromasin (exemestane) is 24 hours which mean ur shit will be up n down if u take it EOD. And it won`t crash ur levels easily like letro. Take it as directed unless ur nips start getting sore n sensitive n u need a higher dose.
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Should a hardening agent be taken towards the end of this cycle to help keep on the gains
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Will

I`d say no. You`re bulking and if you want to transform your body, you need to take your weight up. Thinking about being hard and tight honestly isn`t the right mindset heading into a cycle like this. Bulk up, PCT and hold your weight, and cut in your next cycle. Yes, being soft for a little while can kind of suck but you`ll get the lasting muscle gains and strength gains when you push your bodyweight up without focusing on your abs. Harden up later. Bulk and transform your body in this cycle.

Micheal Ervin

In theory adding proviron to your pct will help keep you harder once you come off, but as for keeping the gains once you come off and your testosterone that was in the 1000’s drops off a cliff you are going to lose some gains if you don’t go the trt route that’s why it’s better to run hcg during your cycle to keep your HTPA functioning so as soon as you come off your body starts producing your endogenous testosterone without having to wait to restart

mchilds

A “hardening agent” doesn’t necessarily keep gains. The sole purpose of hardening drugs such as Anavar, Winstrol, Masteron and other DHT derivatives is to dry out the subcutaneous water and harden the muscle bellies while on it. These typically do not have long lasting effects but make the physique look cleaner, dryer and more ripped. Keeping gains is typically a result of a well balanced and timed cycle followed by a good PCT and/or trt dose of test to follow. Inevitably some will be lost, the question is how much.

Beard

For one this is a monster stack and you`ll get serious gains off of this. I dont think you need to add anything at all to a stack like this. Take exactly as it says and get a solid PCT together. I also run nolvadex at 10 or 20mg a day during the anadrol only. Then of course for pct along with clomid

Mike Jones

I like using proviron or masteron with every cycle I use I personally feel it keeps my physique harder and keeps my sex drive high, the problem you will face when you come off is that your test will drop exponentially, using a dht derivative during your pct will actually help keep your physique firmer and not hold water while keeping your sex drive until your HTPA recovers, as for keeping gains. It is inevitable that you will lose some gains because your body was functioning at a test level in the thousands with high nitrogen retention once you come off this will drop to normal levels if you recover correctly. So using a hardening agent won’t keep your gains but will help your physique look better while you recover

RJB

With this stack I don`t think you need a hardening agent nor do I think it will aid in keeping your gain, Stay tight on diet and hit the gym like a animal.

B Rad

Adding a “hardening” agent onto the end of the cycle wont really help you for retention of gains but might give you a little bit more if the cycle isnt strong enough for you as it is. Id personally leave it as it stands but if you really wanted to extend the cycle a few weeks and tack some winstrol on there that might be an option.

Bulkingup69er

Science intakes of nutrients & stack is key. You already have a great stack ! Back it up with top notch healthy foods. While in the gym, stretch the muscles as much as possible while creating massive pumps ! Body has no choice but to grow ! You will have growing pains & will be solid. GP products are great along with Dragon Pharma. I`m on this stack now. I manipulate my stacks. Ill go to the leak bulk cycle for the last 4 weeks of my 12 week advance bulk cycle. Why, because all the cuts & muscle fibers come out & show big time. Ill lose a little water weight. I`m a hard gainer. However, its working big time !!! Just making sure all gains are massive hard solid exploding muscles !!! I do have a few extras I add. Try the cycle as stated before you start adding anything !!!! I`ve worked the bugs out for my body. I`m shredded !!! Why you work out, DO IT THE PROPER WAY !
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What PCT should I have on deck for this cycle , with a no distractions, strict diet willthis yield about 15-20 pounds in weight?
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Jaris

Nolvadex and clomid is a good idea, maybe even hcg. Wait 2 weeks, then 100mg clomid and 40mg nolvadex for 2 weeks, and 50mg and 20mg for the rest

LongIslandBEAST

15-20lbs will be the upper maximum in my opinion but this definitely depends on your lifting and eating and where you are already. If you are not near your natural max weight and can improve your lifts still than 20lbs will be achievable but if you have hit your max already and think adding testosterone will put you over the top than . .. it probably still will if you eat right and continue lifting. Honestly testosterone is so powerful I would not doubt it. Of course it is easier to gain weight when you improve your lifts and take in more calories especially good food. And you want to run HCG during your cycle at 200iu every four days. Not after your cycle. This is so your natural production never ceases. Clomid 100mg ED and Nolvadex 40mg ED for two weeks then drop it down to half that and run this until your post cycle time equals your on cycle time for best results and healthiest protocol. Good luck.

RJB

I have always ran Hcg at the end but all are saying during so this cycle I will run during. Clomid and Nolvadex is always good to do at a dose as stated above.

Will

This is an excellent cycle for growth and size. Be sure you`re eating in a caloric surplus and training hard and for progressive overload and this cycle can really change your body depending in your cycle experience. Nova and clomid are the staples for a PCT. I`d also recommend grabbing aromasin for on cycle support in case you start seeing estrogenic sides. As long as you keep your diet high in calories while in your PCT and continue in your maintenance at that time, you shouldn`t lose much of anything coming off cycle.

GainsVille_85

HCG, Nolvadex, Clomid. You can run HCG throughout the cycle to maintain testicular function, or you can run it around 500iu/day for ten days after your last steroid shot and before you start your Nolva/Clomid.

N88

HCG, clomid and nolva after cycle. Yes you can run HCG the entire time but in the end not a lot of bang for your buck. I`ve done it both ways and the gains are the same. Bouncing back was easier when I ran HCG the whole time but still with a solid PCT you`ll get back there regardless. Consider caber 0. 5 mgs twice a week during the cycle too.
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Ive been building my own stacks for the last year. It’s getting expensive. I’m looking at the advanced bulking stack. I haven’t used GP brand much. Just wondering how y’all feel about this stack is it good? It seems like a good price, but like I said I haven’t used GP much., I’m a firm believer in you get what you pay for.. Is this GP stack worth it?
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Lav3ga

GP and dragon pharma are my two top pics from 24roids. You will not be disappointed with the quality of gear from GP. Not to mention the stack itself looks sick. Depending on what you stacks looked like before this will be nothing but impressive results.

evan johnson

Yes geneza has always been one of my favorites and is definitely one of the most popular brands here on 24roids. That being said, you can always price compare the compounds in this stack with the same compounds from other brands on 24roids to see which is a better deal if getting a good value is one of your main goals. This stack appears to be discounted currently and has all the best compounds for a bulking cycle such as deca and anadrol.

T-dog

You will not be disappointed in any stack from GP! Dragon is also another one of my favorites too, they both have a large selection of tested products unlike some other brands. Also With the dosages they’ll have you on you’ll see great progress.

Mike Jones

I agree with you on that you get what you pay for, with 24roids tho you don’t get the ridiculous marked up price from a shady dealer trying to make an extra buck almost all of the products I used from various dealers have been found on 24roids for a cheaper price. That being said this stack is definitely worth it ive has nothing but good products from gp and I’m actually using some of their products in my current stack and have had great results. I would say with this stack if you run the layout dosages I would personally throw in some proviron or masteron since you would be running a few “wet” compounds and since the deca is above 250mg I’d also run some caber as well.

SocalJuicer

While the “you get what you pay for” adage rings pretty true in many situations in life, in the steroid world this really isn`t the case. Virtually all products are made from the same “raws” (raw ingredients) sourced from China or India. In reality the difference between “pharma” grade products and ugl products really just comes down to packaging and branding in nearly all cases – independent, blind, 3rd party lab testing proves this fact. If you would like to pay extra for colorful packaging and holographic labels, be my guest. But the actual products are the same quality and potency, and literally the exact same compound. GP is a VERY reputable lab that has been extensively tested – go to anaboliclab.com to see for yourself!

D-man

I agree with Lav3ga. GP and Dragon are also my favorites. They are also the most tested brands on 24roids as well. You can tell which compounds have been tested because they have a green checkmark in the upper right-hand corner. If you click on that checkmark you can see the lab results. But I haven`t had any problems with any of the other brands as well. Like Mike said, 24roids doesn`t need to mark everything up as high as the other sites, because they have a much bigger customer base.

Vincent Valentine

I personally only use GP. The very first products I ever ordered from 24roids were some GP brand test, deca, and dbol a few years back, and it worked so incredibly well that I chose to go exclusively GP. Haven`t looked back since. It definitely surprised me to see the prices for not only GP brand products, but products on 24roids in general, as they`re all relatively inexpensive. I`d like to quell any skepticism by saying I`ve never once received a product from this site that hasn`t met or exceeded my expectations. GP brand, and this site in general, consistently proves to me that it is indeed possible to get insane quality at low prices. As Lav3ga stated, GP and Dragon Pharma are both top notch and worth every penny. Enjoy your cycle!
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Should I take some caber with this stack to stop deca dick from happening?
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evan johnson

You should have on hand, but may not need it. I have run 600 deca with up to 700 tren a week and never needed it.

J.P.

I would at the very least need sure to have it available. You may find that you don`t need it, which is unlikely. Or that you only need a very small, infrequent dose. But if you need it at all and don`t have it then your dick is basically an ornament until the postal service delivers your order. For all the more name brand Cabergoline cost I`d order it with my cycle.
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Why does it say 12 week cycle but in the paragraph it says to take the test and deca for 10 weeks
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Mike Jones

Could just be a typo, if you do the math the cycle should last 12-13 weeks. If each vial of test is 10ml 4×10=40 if you take 3 ml a week 40 divided by 3 will be 13 weeks

J.P.

I wouldn`t sweat it too much. It all adds up in the end, and this just looks like it may be a typo.

Ryan

The entire cycle, not just the test and deca, is 12 weeks long. Also, it`s says to take the test n deca on day 1 n then take again every 2-3 days. The test and deca would last longer if taken every 3 days rather than every 2 days. This is where your getting your missing timelength from.

evan johnson

It says to take the test at 750mg/week for weeks 1-12 and the deca at 50mg/week for weeks 1-12. Not sure where you got 10 from.

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Can I take tamoxifen two weeks after my last injection. I have a pack left over from my last cycle.
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MikeM

Depending what your taking, if using one of the standard long acting tests as a base (e, c, sust, etc), yes. Start 2 weeks after last pin. Run it 4 weeks; weeks 1-2 40/day and 3-4 20/day.

Jason123

I agree run it like mike stated.

Traianos123

Yes u can take Nolva for PCT, and yes u should start 2 weeks after your last pin, but i think u dont have enough pills because the dosage is 40/40/20/20 so 42 pills, if the pack u have got 30 pills u dont have enough. U can take Clomid also if u have.

crazy Dan

Yes you start taking nolva 2 weeks after this pre-stacked lean bulk because it was enanthate esters in the stack. In particular test enanthate and tren enanthate. So you start your pct 14 days after your last pin of cypionate or enanthate and 3 days after phenylpropionate or propionate esters. Take 40/40/20/20 of nolva for 4 weeks and you will be gtg! Good luck buddy! Do t forget to vote.

Shamrock

Thanks for all the help gents! Greatly appreciated. And I do have enough it`s a pack of 100 tablets/20mg

Cyclone

Run 40/40/20/20/20 (five weeks total), that way your 100 pack will last almost exactly two cycles.

anonymous_1212

Hello Shamrock, PCT–I waited 4 weeks after the last pin to do PCT because the half-life of each ester has to be calculated into play. This way my body started sensing a large drop in hormone levels and the pituitary gonad axis starts screaming to get the engine started again. If you start it too soon then the test ester from the cycle`s last pin will still be breaking down by your metabolism. Examples: the (ester) half-life of test cypionate 250 is ~5 days. 5 days later there may be 125 MG left over, then 62.5 MG, then 31.25…etc. but it depends on your metabolism. Other esters are Propionate ~ .8-2 days, pheynlpropionate ~ 1.5-4 days, Iscapionate ~ 4-9 days, Decanoate ~ 7.5-15 days. There is also a Sustanon 270 which has the Acetate ester and its half-life is ~ 1-1.5 days. I now personally inject every 6 days and it is a low dose for BB but I get good results from it even at that dose. I suggest if you want to pin more times a week, get either Test Propionate or Cypionate. My suggestion is wait 4 weeks after the last pin to start PCT and use Clomid (this is what I used the first time) 25mG for 2 weeks twice a day, then 25Mg once a day for 2 weeks. Let me know if this helps and I hope it does! Stay healthy, safe and live well bro! Please up vote for Q&A and for Product of The Week! Reply if you need to.
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Will this kit come in one box or one delivery? My last order of Nolvadex was confiscated by Customs. I believe I`m on the radar. If I order this kit, I don`t want it to be all confiscated. What country is this coming from? What brand are the aas from?
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Joeskee

I`m pretty sure it will all come in one box but you can`t order it yet but it will be coming soon. But for customs don`t worry ur not on there radar I had a package seized in March and since then I had about packages that got to me and the one that got seized.

Taylor

This kit will be shipped in one package. As for being worried about customs you have nothing to be nervous about. Unless you`re making $5k+ orders on a weekly basis then no need to be alarmed. If nervous about having your package taken by customs you can try a different address (friends/relatives) as well as getting it reshipped if they do confiscate it by 24roids if you provide a letter from Customs.

Cyclone

I too was convinced that I was somehow on a naughty list, so I took the easy route and got a PO box for 50 per year. Remember to vote!

POOKIE

Sorry about your customs ordeal but at least it was only Nolva and not a larger order. This kit is a Geneza Kit so will be packaged all in one box/package. I had 2 packages seized over the years and kept ordering due to the advise of everyone on here and it still shows up…..knock on wood! I`d do the same and keep ordering…I don`t thing you`ll be on a badboy list or flagged for Nolva. I had full cycle seized and they didn`t flag me ….so far. I received GP thru Asia, Europe and strangely enough California. Good luck

JoelEdwards

What country are you from? Pretty sure none of these answers were from Australia. I had deca seizes years ago and I could never get an order to that address again of gear. I had a shipment of nolva seized a couple of months ago. Unfortunately I also had another shipment full cycle of test and a few extra bits and pieces on its way. I am waiting to see if it gets through. Good luck. to answer your other question if you are ordering different products from different warehouses they will ship separately. But the same products will all ship together. I had 280 vials of growth all come in one box. All got through.
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was wondering if it would be beneficial to add phenyl to this stack. looking for the recovery and joint health as this isn`t my first rodeo. as the weight stacks go up extra pressure and strain on joints and I was wondering if the phenyl would help deter some of the risk for joint injury?
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Tim

Sure I`d add it if I had joint issues especially since winstrol is known to be hard on joints. I`d have caber ready just in case you end up having prolactin issues.

nickname_88

Not a good choice since you`re already running tren.. not a good idea to run the 2 at the same time.. too much progesterone sides likely.. I would save that for another cycle and if you`re worried about joints.. up the intensity of workout but use lighter weights one day and heavy other days.. switch it up..

Unc33135

Ya you can add phenyl to help relieve the joints. Especially since this has winstrol which dries them. Maybe use the phenyl at a lose dose just to get that added benefit. Around 300mg a week.

Dan

If you planning bulk then drop Stan. That`s the root problem of joints. I would add Deca instead of NPP to help with joint relieve since your other gear is long esters. Or you can do a test EQ for bulk that give you a dry look. Good luck.

Larry

I always add a little deca or npp(same thing) to my cycle no matter what to help with the joints. Winny and tren tend to dry the body up, if you don`t want any water then don`t take npp but if you are ok with than it will help with the joints.

RecoveryProject

Many run a small dose of Deca with all their cycles. 200-300 seems to be the sweet spot for some. I think the low dose Deca would prove to be more beneficial than NPP due the water retention. However since your taking Trenbolone, your still going to have the hardness and density. If your concerned about the water retention sides you could also add in Proviron to keep them at a minimum.
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When will this stack be available?thank yo
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novadesert007

it has been availible for the longest time. I think you should create a ticket to 24roids. They prob gonna tell you to buy other products first.

Mary Wagner

Probably about never the way it has seemed as of late.

Skuchie(2)

Your best course of action is to open a help desk ticket and ask 24roids directly. However, you can assume that until this Coronavirus is under control in China, nothing will be produced or shipped.

EDubz

Your better off just ordering the compounds separately and you can order it now.

Rambo1213

There is no way to know when any items will be available. The best thing would be to open a ticket with support. Which can be found on 24roids Home page on desktop version in the top right hand corner of the page. They will have all the information about sock stock availability. Good luck and hope this helps.

Atock

We can`t answer that here. Create a ticket with 24roids
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I have been on this stack for around 8 weeks and have because extremely emotional, I pretty much snap regularly. Is there another product that will be better for me.
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Cyclone

Lesson learned (hopefully), it sounds like you jumped on a stack of steroids without knowing the possible side effects. The culprit is almost guaranteed to be the trenbolone, which for some causes aggression and agitation. This might be an indication that ALL steroids, to varying degrees, will cause this issue for you. If you insist on testing the waters, run a testosterone only cycle until you better understand the game. Do lots of research and understand the risks.

Big Dogg

If you`re not experienced with AAS, which it sounds like you`re not, that stack is way too much for you. It could just be the high dose of juice, or your estrogen could be low with all the exemastane, or it could be high but not likely. You need to get bloodwork done to know for sure. You should stop the tren and cut the test in half.

nickname_464

Maybe try and back off the ai a little. I know personally when my estrogen gets to low is when I start to feel the same way. I would only take it as needed and then every third day at the most. Otherwise you could always try just dropping a compound or anyone of the doses a little and see if that helps. Best of luck mate.

.50 caliber

i agree 100% thats alot of gear to be using if your new to aas. 750 test a week is a verry experienced users amount and 12 weeks of tren is too long, these amounts i would be very quick to fly off the handle then a few minutes later im sad as hell lol

Mike Jones

The reason for your aggression is going to be tren, I don`t get aggressive with any other compound but when I take tren anything over 200mg a week I have the worst little s24roids especially when blood sugar is low it goes from being hangry to murdering someone

Roid_Head

Some people snap regularly on steroids. This is one of the side effects of steroids, try to keep calm and control your behavior so people around don`t get hurt emotionally.
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I have been on this stack for around 8 weeks and have because extremely emotional, I pretty much snap regularly. Is there another product that will be better for me.
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Cyclone

Big Dogg

nickname_464

.50 caliber

Mike Jones

Roid_Head

Some people snap regularly on steroids. This is one of the side effects of steroids, try to keep calm and control your behavior so people around don`t get hurt emotionally.
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Can I run this cycle for 15 weeks? Obviously will need to add a little more gear
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Anonymous 467

You certainly can but i don`t think it`s a good idea. Tren is one of the strongest steroids there is. It should not be run for that long. If you do make sure you have Caber on hand Incase of prolactin build up. Good luck man

nickname_537

That sounds fine. Some pro bodybuilders and other athletes run non stop cycles. Some do blast and cruise. Blast is a higher dose stack and a cruise is the rest period of not mire than 300mg testosterone per week and preferably not less than 200mg testosterone weekly. It maintains gains. A regular pct is a roller coaster on your endocrine system and harsh on your body while causing loss in gains. If done correctly I`d blast and cruise man. But that`s my (and others share this opinion too) take on it. If or when permanently off you can do pct. But as men age they will one day need trt regardless so i blast and cruise anyway. It makes more sense that`s all.

nickname_84

There is a liver toxic compound. You can prolong it to 15-16 weeks with just test e and AI. Don`t take Tren e and Winnstol any longer than the cycle states.

YD1

Whats up bud. I believe you can run it for 15 weeks. The only thing i see that might be a problem is the tren being ran for longer time, although I`ve met many who went the extreme with it. There are reasons to why a cycle is made for that certain length. On the other hand 3 weeks addition might not be too harsh for some. I say see how you feel during the course of the cycle. If you think you have in you to go the extra 3 weeks then hey by all means try it out. If not then save the extra compounds for another cycle in the future if you choose to do another. Good luck.

RldlHolyfield

Surely you can, sir. However, think about running the stronger gears for only a short period of time, ie Tren. If you want to run it the entirety, then please get blood work so you know how your body is handling it. You can maybe push the Tren back to the last 5-6 weeks and Deca for the first 9-10, maybe.

Zach Linder

You can give it a shot but it`s advanced for a reason. these compounds can be harsh over time for some, even at low doses. If you want to test the waters, give it a shot. But make sure you purchase your PCT now, do not wait. Good luck
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This is my second cycle ever, I`m reading that it`s prettt intense. Since it`s already on it`s way i`m thinking of doing half the test and tren dose, any input? Side effects I should be cautious with? Or just in general tips?. My last cycle was Beginners Cut cycle and I felt great!. I`m ordering the PCT and some HCG to be ready when cycle ends, also I`m 5`7-155 Pounds… if that matters.
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skitt

Yep, my advice as well as many that will respond to this… DONT DO the Tren.. save that for a few more cycles down the road.. this is only your second and your going to put the harshest compound in your body with NO expirence not good bro.. I would stick with just the test again at about 500 mg and thats it.. you might get away with doing the oral but even then you could save that for your 3rd or 4th cycle… Everybody body is different so if you choose to not listen to any of us and still do the tren.. start at a very low dose.. Most would recomend doing the Tren ace first cause if you get bad sides well it gets out of your system faster if you get bad sides with the Tren E then your waiting a week or 2 for it to clear cause you have no idea how your body will respond.. NOT trying to be rude for for a second cycle you should not be doing this one bro.. but good luck

Anonymous

If anything just try cutting the doses in half, and do not try Tren yet maybe later. It is a very harsh compound and can fuck you over.. if anything get someone to help you out and see what they can do to help your cycle but cutting some in half should help. Best of luck

Manster

Yeah your jumping in the deep end a little quick. I`d say you could get the same gains easy on half the dosages of this. Maybe break it into two cycles?

Matthew

Absolutely risky to do tren your 2nd cycle ever! If you want bulk and it`s your second cycle go with a higher concentration of testP. Then 3rd cycle at eq. Save this Advance Bulk for next year or 2. It will still be good. Taking Tren might be ok BUT if it is not it will be real bad! Just my advice. But if you still want to do this read up on Tren.

NPC LIFE

Your still a virgin bro. Stay away from tren and orals for at least the first year. Keep it simple. 500mg test and some EQ will do wonders for you bro. Work on your diet and up your calories. Slow and steady don`t expect to look like a bodybuilder off 2 cycles it`s not going to happen. More drugs is not the answer it`s all in how you eat. You have to feed the machine. Good luck and be safe

Sherwin

Just save the tren for another cycle… like your 10th cycle ,LOL
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I have a few packs of Winstrol tabs I never used. Would taking them early, maybe week 3 or 4, be bad or good?.
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NPC LIFE

Do not take them alone. You definitely need test as your base. I personally like winny V when I`m 6 weeks out. So end of cycle not before or beginning.

Mr.smith

Are you taking it with test . Assuming you are I would take it for the last five or six weeks of your cycle. If your cycle is 12 weeks then I would take it for weeks nine through 14 right up to your Pct.

BABA

Take winstrol with a test base. If by taking them early, you mean that you`ll be starting test soon then that`s fine but it`s not recommended.

LongIslandBEAST

When I uSe winstrol I prefer to add it on to the final weeks of my cycle. That’s when your cutting cycle will be at its best point and the winstrol will put you in the best shape although generally o think orals are a waste of time and prefer to use them sparingly and only when I feel like I need that boost like Anadrol for example.

patsalos mixalis

Take with test last 4-6 weeks of cycle to lean out

nickname_21

Since you paid all that money for the lean bulk advancd cycle. Just do it the way it lays it out. It`s for a good reason the have it where they have it in the cycle. The main thing you should be worring about is diet that will make or break you on the cycle. Dont for get cardio
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How long does it usually take for this cycle to kick in?
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Susta

It all depends on what you are going to take. Testosterone Enamthate could take up to 4 weeks for you to begin seeing results and feeling stronger, whereas Testosterone propionate takes a few days to see results. Sustanon 250 for example is a blend of 4 different testosterones so the fast acting testosterones will kick in quickly and slow acting will take longer but also last longer in your system. If I were you I would research the compounds a bit more to find the answers you are looking for. It is hard to answer how long every single compound will take to kick in your system. Google is a great source to get answers on these questions. I`ve personally spent years online researching and there are many good resources out there. Seek and you will find.

Jason Barnard

Totally depends on what the compounds are. if it`s a short ester or long ester short can kick in and as little as one week we`re as long as Esther to take as much as 6 to 8 weeks

Zach Linder

So the test e and tren e should kick in within 4 – 5 weeks. The winnie usually takes 10 – 14 days to see for most people…I really hope you have used tren before…IMO this whole cycle has WAY to much test and tren, I personally would cut those doses in half, the winnie dose is fine. Good luck, be safe

Matthew

Any medium esters length will take a little longer to kick in. The stack has both TrenE and TestE so it will prob kick in at week 4 or 5. Becareful with the TrenE if you’ve never taken Tren. Most start with TrenA just Incase they have bad sides. If they do, they will stop pinning themselves and the tren will leave in a day. With Enanthate it will stay in your system for a while. However, This stack will definitely give you meaningful result!!

LongIslandBEAST

Two weeks for the Enanthate esters to kick in so I would front load those. The winstrol should start working quickly.

JayP

You will start to notice results in weeks 4-5
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Can I use the Stan for the full 12 weeks cycle if I buy more or is that not good to do.
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YD1

Hey bud. Usually stan is used for 7-8 weeks but I have seen ppl go for the 12 weeks. I dont see any problems on why not. G-Luck

Fit_dad

You can do it as long as you like.no one can stop you. Go on how your body feels and saturated receptors is why ppl runn8weeks norm.

Skuchie

It’s usually only run for a period of 6 to 8 weeks. That being said, considering your on the low end of the dosing schedule at 40mg, you’ll be fine running it for the entire 12 weeks. I’m currently running 250mg of enanthate M-F, and started week 1 at 50mg winny, then each new week, I up the dose by 10mg a day. I’m in week 4, at 70mg a day, and will now taper back down to 50mg. I’m using the DP 50mg plus the SIS 10mgs, I have to say that I’m not noticing any real effects. But the next 3 weeks will tell the story. So good luck.

Will

Wouldnt recommend that for your livers sake. Orals have a liver toxicity and the results seem to go down a bit with prolonged use. Stick with 6 weeks max for your health and results.

JayP

Your liver will hate you for running it for that long. Usual lengths are 6-8 weeks with proper liver support supplements. Be smart about it.

K.D.T

I woudnt go any longer them 6 may 8 weeks it`s pretty harsh on the liver I only take it for 4 to 6 weeks with great results make sure you have liver seaport exspealy if your going to run it for long period
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Will someone give me a pin size for drawing and sticking with this stack? Halfway new and needing as much dumbed down advice as possible. Thank you
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nickname_220

You sound pretty new altogether no offenve but you draw with 18-23 gauge u can even use 25 and then you pin with 23-25 gauge 25 being the smallest. Also if you are new i wouldnt be doing a advanced stack try starting with just testosterone first

Skuchie

I personally draw with an 18guage because it’s quick and easy, and inject my side delt with a 23 gauge 1 1/2 inch long. Push it in slow and wait 30 seconds to pull out the needle so very little of the oil comes out. And I inject both delts with 1/2cc each side. But u don’t need to, I’m just OCD about it.

Greenleanmass

Draw with 23 -18. 23 will make smaller holes in the rubber. 25 to pin. Or 27 for delts.

Scott

Draw 18. Pin 23-25. I personally pin with a 23G inch and half and it’s smooth everytime.

KTUCK

I use 18 Gage 1 1/2 inch to draw from bottle and 22 or 21 Gage 1 inch to inject some use 25 Gage 1 inch or 1 1/2 inch

nickname_566

Draw with 22g or 18g needle then change the needle to 25g or 27g. Don`t ever pin with the same needle that you used to draw
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Hey all, I was just wondering, will this stack only benefit guys needing to cut? I am pretty lean as it about 10% bf, and want to gain hard muscle but not just look huge. I am afraid this cycle will make me look tiny after it eats away the rest of my water weight and all. 6’2” 214lb
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nickname_518

Well firstly, most of your gains are always dependent on your diet however if I were in your situation I would drop the Winnie and use Anavar instead to finish off the cycle

Zach Linder

CHANGE YOUR MINDSET. I feel like I say this at least once a day on here. Your results come from your diet, not gear. If you eat to bulk up, you will bulk up….If you eat to cut down, you will cut down. Do not rely on supplements. Supplements are there to SUPPLEMENT your normal regimen. If I were you get into the habit of eating right now, you are 6`2″ and 214lbs…pretty small, but it shouldn`t take you long to add some weight naturally first. Once you have gotten into the habit of eating correctly, then use supplements. Good luck

Acfit

This would be a great stack to put on lean muscle mass. I like to stay lean all year around, but come Spring, I add Trenbolone which is 5X the anabolic and Androgenic strength of testosterone, but it will make you stronger, harder, muscular and leaner looking. You will put on solid lean muscle gains with this stack. Def don’t worry about losing water. Keep your diet clean and enjoy the change. It will be awesome. Good luck.

omeed haji

I agree with Zach .its all about dieting eating and stack gonna help you to get more results from ur food and gym

evan johnson

No steroids are very versatile and will work whether you are cutting, bulking, or body recomping.

Greenleanmass

You don`t need to worry you will be in good hand with that stack, God bless stay safe.
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How to injection can I go like : Mon-Thur and then go sun-wed -sat- thue its like every 3days or ALL THE TIME same days in week like MON-THUR and next week MON-THUR ?
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omeed haji

twice a week means mon_thur or Sun – wendsay 2 days between yes all week u have to do same days just like u said mon-thur every week

SteveC

Make it simple on yourself. Do it on the same days every week.

Scott

Keep it simple my dude. Monday’s and Thursday’s. Every week. Everytime.

nickname_220

Split it into two injections per week unless its a really fast ester such as acetate. I do monday and friday but whatever schedule works best for you. Youll get sick of injecting everyday

Anthony99

To keep it simple you should just do Monday and Thursday or Sunday and Wednesday whichever two days of the week work best for you. It’s really preference. This stack is all enenthate esters so twice weekly injections is plenty. I should say tho, due to u asking this question, it sounds like you are new to aas and trenbolone is not for beginners. If you are new, save the Tren for cycles to come and just stick with test e or test c and maybe a mild oral like Anavar.

Tyler

Just keep it simple, pick two days of the week that are 3 to 4 days apart, and continue that schedule over and over. Sunday and Thursday works, as does Monday and Friday, Wednesday and Saturday, etc.
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Should I take whey protein with my cycle or any protein ? Or it’s okay to not take protein shake only good food ?
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Beard

It`s pretty hard to get the amount of protien u need without it. U need between a gram n 1. 5 grams per lb of body weight.

Will

A high protein diet is very important for those that train or are athletes. Recovery and building muscle are huge functions of protein and when you add AAS to the mix, your body can utilize more protein for enhancing the effects of growth and recovery. If you can get a lot of protein in via whole foods, you do not need a protein powder. But unless you`re eating 5+ whole food meals a day of 50g protein per meal, I think a powder would be very beneficial to add an additional 50g or more to your diet. Lots and lots of research supporting high protein diets and a powder would be very beneficial to you.

N88

do your best to eat real food and supplement with a good whey isolate as needed. Spend the money and get a good quality protein so you get the highest absorption and less bloat.

Jimmy

Ur talking about one of the most important things to have especially while on cycle. U want that protien, those extra calories n carbs n everything.

Vincent Valentine

The answer to this question really depends on how much food you`re capable of eating. In a perfect world, everyone would gain their protein from regular food sources (like eggs, chicken, beef, etc. ), but as most people simply can`t stomach the amount of protein-rich foods they need to get sufficient protein intake many choose to supplement with protein powders – myself included. Protein powders are also generally easier for your body to absorb over whole foods, which is why I advocate for them. I`d recommend taking whey protein within twenty minutes post-workout and casein protein as-needed throughout the day. Whey is quickly absorbed, making it an optimal choice for immediate consumption post-workout when your muscles have been fatigued. Casein is slowly absorbed, making it an optimal choice right before bed in order to give your body sufficient protein as you sleep.

nickname_279

If you can get the right amount of protein in in balanced diet, you will get the best results, but that takes a lot of planning and preparing. If you miss a meal then its fine, just have a protein shake.
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I would love to purchase this stack and am very close to doing so. However I know that in the near future I will be training with high cardio and mody weight excercises due to employment requirements. Will this stack hinder my cardiovascular performance and or give me intense muscle pumps that could hinder my performance?
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Lav3ga

You will definitely breath heavier on tren, but you can get thru it if you have to. We all do our cardio during prep, when the tren is rolling hard. As for the pumps, I don`t really get them on tren, but I do get fierce muscle cramps. Like my legs lock up and turn to an unbearable cramp. I would recommend you lower the tren to 200mg a week, and save the other jugs for next time. If you aren`t having problems a month into the tren, bump it up to 300mg.

Micheal Ervin

I’d stick with running the test and winni normal and running the tren very low lav is right your cardio will suffer on tren but you can keep it low dose and get through it also be sure to up your potassium intake.

Mike Jones

Lav is right, just lower the tren dose and maybe even lower the test dose so your not holding a lot of water and you should be able to push through the cardio, I would recommend drinking a lot of water and make sure your taking your ai and adding some extra potassium supplement to your regimen to help deal with the cramps you might get

Phillip

Again with the others, lower the tren if you`re seeing cardio in your future. Perhaps you should look at the Endurance stack that has EQ in it instead, EQ is amazing for mass as well and you definitely won`t suffer the harsh reactions from tren. Your water weight and blood pressure shouldn`t be too bad if you`re dosing your AI correctly. But just make sure you start building your cardio right now before you hop on the cycle so it`s not such a kick in the crotch.

N88

If your cardio performance is super intense like for certain military training or agency training I`d stay away away from tren and only run cardiovascular friendly compounds. If it`s not too intense roll with a lower dose of tren like everyone is saying.

Jonn

It is indeed possible that this stack will hinder your cardio performance. You`ll get much heavier into the cycle. Perhaps look into EQ and testosterone only cycle instead, or even add some EPO that 24roids carries. This stack is not something you`d use for cardio, but to build muscle, and that`s a whole other ballpark.
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Test Update. My next cycle will be 1 ml. Test enath 250, 1 ml deca 250, 1/2 ml. Tren. 250, 1/2 ml. Masteron twice a week. I do take orals for gyno of course. April, I will start cycle with Oxymethalone. Towards end I will use GP Stan. as recommended on Lean Bulking Cycle. I`m looking to pack on 30 lbs. Any recommendations on diets that will get me there. I do great in the gym. I`m in awesome shape. I`m lacking proper meal programs to add weight. I do use mass gainers already. I`m looking for healthy food options.
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michael vanacore

you dont need tren to pack on 30 pounds. test at 400 mg deca at 250 a week. with a lean diet 6 meals a day will do it. alot of salmon brown rice ect then switch on off with steak and chicken add whatever veggies you like. its not rocket science. eat every 2 hours add tren at the end if need be. mass gainers are the worst. stay away. eat real food. alot of it. and get your cardio in. good luck

Mike Childs

Tren, mast, stan will not afford you more bulk necessarily. If you want bulk stick with test and deca with maybe some EQ. EQ will retain some dryness which it sounds like you are looking for and allow the bulk as well. But the best thing will be time. I personally prefer Whole Foods year round with high-quality fats and proteins all while keeping my carbs moderate. Ie. fatty nuts, lean beef,avacado, complex carbs, etc. The reason being I want my heart to last a long time. Sure you can get there with high saturated fats possibly faster but why tax your body with McDonalds. Stay consistent, cut out empty calories all together like alcohol consumption, and always have your meals pre planned or else you will be doomed to fail. Watch some Ronnie Coleman videos and you will see how much it takes to gain size. Esp. if you are a hard gainer. Just do some research online, YouTube. There’s tons of info out there. I just don’t beleive in the concept of “dirty” bulking. To me that’s just “lazy and unhealthy” bulking. Good luck!

Mike Jones

First I hope your running caber with this cycle since you will running 2 nor-19 compounds and will surely have elevated prolactin. Also oxy or anadrol even tho it is a bulking agent suppresses your appetite because it is so harsh on your liver so for a lean bulk I’d kick the oxy and just stick with the compund you have. Throw away the mass gainers they are trash that will only make you fat. For a lean bulk you should look at your macros according to your total daily energy expenditure or the calories you can eat through the day. 1. 5-2 gram of protein per pound of body weight. This will give your body all the raw materials needed to build as much muscle as possible. Set your fat intake at 0. 3 grams per pound. This will support hormone synthesis and overall health, while allowing for plenty of carbs. Use your remaining calories on carbs. Carbs are your friend when you’re looking to maximize muscle growth, and this is why I recommend a relatively high carb intake. If you can’t tailor your diet there are plenty of good diet coaches who will tailor your macros to specific meals for you.

Justin Croft

Lots and lots of tuna and red meat. . . steak, hamburger, etc. . ! Eat 5 to 7 times a day smaller meals! Try to stay away from breads and pastas!

SocalJuicer

Agreed with the previous posters, you have some unnessary compounds in there. Also, If your not counting calories with every single thing that goes in your mouth (including measuring, weighing, etc), than you will never gain weight. In my experience, people THINK they are eating over maintenance, but doing so for weeks/months on end is pretty difficult. Easiest plan is to eat 1 gram of protein for every lbs of body weight, then fill in your calories with some good fats and the rest carbs. Make sure you go at least 500 kcals over maintenance every day to gain 15 lbs in an average cycle, double that to reach 30.

big baby bear

Youre going to need lots of high quality food and will probably want to get your macros to approximately: 2g protein per lb of bodyweight, 1-1. 5g carbs per lb of bodyweight (you can even go a bit higher if needed), and 0. 75g of fats per lb of bodyweight. Spread it out into as many meals as possible and get a variety of protein and carb sources and try to keep your fats healthy also. All of the typical stuff is great like chicken, beef, tuna, cod, eggs, lamb, pork, you name it. Dont skimp on vegetables either like asparagus, broccoli, peppers, cabbage, etc. Getting good at cooking and shopping is an invaluable skill to have so you dont burn out on any one food.
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So what’s the best way to take this cycle for best results
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J.P.

I`d start with exactly how it`s recommended. Any tweaks can be made to cater to your reaction as you go. For example, some find that higher trenbolone with lower testosterone works better. But just stick to the script for now and see how you do. Something else to consider is adding in Cabergoline for tren sides and as always, with any cycle, you`ll want to make sure your cycle support supplements are on point and ready to go. I typically have people start supplementing prior to starting a cycle with, at the bare minimum something for blood pressure, liver and kidneys. Especially if there`s something known to mess with blood pressure in the mix. Last but certainly not least, post cycle therapy is essential and should be in your possession before the first injection is administered. Good question! I like when people are looking to optimize everything to it`s full potential!

Mike Jones

The cycle layout is pretty spot on. If you’ve never ran tren I’d honestly start out at 200mg a week split and see how it effects you then go up from there. And don’t consider adding caber, add it no matter what. You don’t want to run into prolactin problems in the cycle.but besides that I agree with jp his answer and this layout is pretty spot on

David France

If you take it exactly how it’s recommend I doubt you should have any trouble at all but just to be safe I would buy arimidex and caber just in case your really sensitive to progesterone and estrongenic sides.
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What should be used for pct with this cycle and how should it be ran?
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Mike Jones

With this you should include hcg as part of your pct and start running it on week 6, to the end of your cycle at 250iu twice a week, when you come off start clomid at 100/100/100/50/50

bigmurph

This cycle includes test e and tren e. The tren enanthate is a nor19 compound that will shutdown your system for an extended period of time which is harder to bring back your natural levels because of.I would suggest using the normal protocol of Clomiphene and nolvadex Wk 1-2 100mg/40mg Wk 3-4 50mg/20mgSome will say not to run nolvadex with a nor19 compound I disagree and believe that as long as you have caber or another progesterone blocking product you will not have an issue using nolvadex during pct.I would definitely recommend getting blood work done and seeing where your progesterone levels and estrogen levels are at around wk 5-6 and then again after your last injection.This will help you determine where your levels are at and if you need to continue taking aromasin to lower your estrogen levels or to take caber to lower progesterone levels. Everyone is different and you might not need to take caber and this is why getting blood work done is so important. When getting blood work done order the female hormone panel I know that this sounds strange but its cheaper and will give you the testing that you need to see where your levels are at.You can also use HCG during your cycle at 500iu split into 2 shots a wk at 250iu this will also help you to recover your natural levels faster. A 5000iu kit ran for 10wks up until you begin pct should be fine you can use a 10,000iu kit and run it at 1000iu a wk split into 2 shots a wk at 500iu for 10wks up until you start pct also this will give you a stronger advantage. With HCG will bring higher estrogen levels so this makes blood work even more important to make sure that you are in control of your estrogen levels. The aromasin you will be taking during the cycle I recommend taking up until you start your pct also. Aromasin or exemestane is a great AI to take because there is no rebound of estrogen and it is what`s called a suicide inhibitor which means that it gets rid of the estrogen without a rebound effect.If you run this as your pct and you run blood work to find out that your levels haven`t returned to normal its not a big problem run another 4wks of clomiphene at 50mg a day and after that you should be more than fine.
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Been thinking about adding GP Masteron 200. 1 ml twice a week. Is this too much ?
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Mike Jones

No 400mg/week is not to much but if your new to using mast start off with 200mg/week to see how you take it then go up from there. And don’t forget caber for this stack.

T-dog

That sounds like a great addition to the cycle and will help you lean out and drop more body fat and water weight. But like Mike said always start on the lower end and see how you feel then go up from there.

nickname_537

It hardens you up and works best if you`re already low in body fat but some use it because they say it enhances the effects of the other steroids and helps block estrogen too. Start at half the dose and assess your tolerance. It`s supposed to be very androgenic so some say it causes a lot of anger. But everybody reacts differently, for example tren ace is supposed to give roid rage but for me it causes anger which is controllable and it seems the longer I use it the less that side effect. Bottom line is that everybody reacts differently so start lower to see how you react.

SocalJuicer

Masteron is a very weak / mild steroid that must be run in higher dosages that testosterone and other compounds. I would consider 400mg to be a MINIMUM effective dosage, anything less than that and you will likely not notice any results at all.

Swoll,onthe,low

You can add mast and be fine.but we don`t know your history and gear usage so had to say.also pending how you feel on what you are running now.if all is great then add it if you feel the need to lean out some

anonymous255

400mg is the perfect amount and is a great addition to this cycle.