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I saw the thread about the ai dosing being way too high for this. How are the other doses of this pct?
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Onyx User profile Expert

Most people will recover successfully with 100mg of clomid and 40 mg of tamoxifen during the first two weeks than 50 mg of clomid and 20 mg of tamoxifen for two more weeks. Of course there are different protocols. Do your own research and decide which protocol is the best for you.
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MattBeard User profile

Standard PCT is clomid 100,100,50,50 and nolva 40,40,20,20 so you will have plenty to spare and the HCG seems to be run in many different ways but the protocol they give looks ok except you would probably want to start it 1 week before last pin so stop it as you start the clomid, nolva pct, assuming its test e or c at least. As for the AI, its way to high and most would only use it sparingly during cycle if required.
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Dr. Scott User profile Expert

it definitely is too high. Onyx is correct that`s a standard protocol (some use HCG too) Not sure why they put an Ai in a PCT stack, especially one already containing nolvadex. During PCT, it is kind of a roller coaster hormonally so nolvadex is often included in pct, it also helps raise endogenous testosterone to a small degree and protects nicely from estrogen rebound. Anyhow, I think the addition of an AI to this PCT stack is overkill especially at the doses they talk about (5 weeks at 1mg day!). But if you like the product get it and just save the arimidex (anastrozole), for use during the cycle and not PCT. BUt either way you are correct the dosing is high, Most guys do pretty well on 0.5mg every 3rd day and move up as needed. hope this helps
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JD Cycle User profile Expert

AI dosing varies per individual. Many would consider my AI dosage too high, yet when I lower it I`m hit with gyno really damn fast. I`ve had to upgrade to Letro for AI due to my gyno proclivity. During PCT, I only dose Clomid and Nolva. I run HcG between last pin and start of PCT and keep my standard AI dose at that time.
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Patriot_1234 User profile Expert

I have never run an AI during PCT, but I have read literature stating the benefits of doing so. That is a more extreme PCT protocol than what`s “normal”, but I would honestly try it out and see how it works with the anastrolzole dose cut in half (I`ve read that .5mgs is still an effective dose for males). Good luck.
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For Trt I`d take 1mg and cut it in half have it on mon and fri
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Mightyone User profile

way to much. All u need is .5 2 days a week and if gyno is still bad or u bloat to much or get moon face than the max I would recommend is 1mg 2 days a week. 1mg everyday will crash your estrogen and effect your gains and libido. Good luck brother
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EQhead User profile Expert

You don`t need Arimidex on a TRT dose of Test, as mentioned above, unless you`re extremely gyno prone. A common dose of Arimidex is 0.5mg three times a week while running cycle. 1mg a day is a very high dose and you run the risk of totally crashing your estrogen levels which will leave you feeling like crap. It`s a good practice to get blood work prior to cycle and during cycle. If you`re getting sore nipples then start 1mg Arimidex day 1 then 0.5mg three times a week thereafter.
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Shadow43 User profile

This topic has been brought up a lot recently. As everyone`s situation and response is unique, there is no standard dose or guideline for AI`s. To be 100% certain, labs should be pulled regularly until it is sorted out. Playing the guessing game with balancing your hormones is ill advised. Lastly, your question needs more information. What is your current regime?
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nickname_311 User profile Expert

Way too much of an AI being on 500mg of test some guys don`t even take Arimidex I would recommend half a tab every other day after about four weeks of being on. You don`t want to crash your estrogen levels or else you`re going to have other problems
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Onyx User profile Expert

That is too much. 0.5 twice weekly is enough. Good luck!
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Traianos123 User profile Expert

I use 1mg/week split in 2 doses, this is the correct dosage for Arimdex, 0.5mg twice/week.
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Is the HCG a intramuscular injection or subcutaneous? Where do you inject and what size needle?Thanks
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Swoleville User profile Expert

Hcg is injected sub q. You want to inject 2-4 inches left or right of the belly button. I use 29 gauge 3/4 insulin needle
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Roid_Head User profile Expert

You can pin both IM and Subq but subq is preferred method for hcg. 31g insulin syringe is fine
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Squatstuff2020 User profile

HCG is injected subcutaneously in the abdominal region with a 28G x 1/2inch 1ml Insulin pin.
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Star Fox User profile

Subq is the preferred way. Use 30 or 31g 1/2 inch insulin needle. Good luck.
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Onyx User profile Expert

Subq injections in the belly. Use 30 or 31g 1/2 inch insulin needle. Good luck!
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MattBeard User profile

I do subq in belly using 31g insulin syringe. You can`t feel a thing.
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Hey, I crashed my estrogen at the end of my cycle using too much AI for the amount of compounds I was using. I got my blood done and my estrogen is 15pg/ml. I`m having palpitations with no dbol on hand. Is it safe to start running normal pct or will SERMs mess me up more?
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nickname_21 User profile Expert

Dont sobsarms dont so anything sarms sucks and dont work anyways. If your testosteron is all the way low then do a pct. I dont know what compounds you were using that would determine what to do. If you just did sarms ibwouod just let you body come back naturally and maybe be smarter next time. This shit ain`t no joke probably do about another year or so of research before you permanently mess your self up
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JuiceNaps User profile Expert

He said SERMS
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Joeskee User profile

Just run a normal pct and let some of ur estrogen to come back and you should be fine.
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Branko User profile

If I was in your shoes, I`d PCT with nolva and HCG. Hcg will get your natural test working again, and the nolva will allow estrogen without it causing gyno. Clomid can be suppressive to estrogen I read. Hope this helps.
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JamesEarl User profile Expert

Just run your pct until your estrogen comes back to normal. Remember also that using an ai is not a requirement but only if needed. Not everyone even needs an ai and besides lowering estrogen too much is just bad for your health man. Use an air only if you see and or feel sides otherwise don`t.
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Hey can anyone help me out I can`t get a solid answer anywere I`m planing to run a test e 250mg and deca 250mg twice a week cycle for 12-16 weeks. Is the napsgear basic pct stack all I need? Do I need to add anything and should I run it according to there directions ?
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Jogger User profile Expert

That’s good for pct but I strongly suggest not doing 500 test and deca on first cycle, I always do more test than deca and also add in proviron as deca can really cause libido issues with or without caber please take care bro
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crazy Dan User profile Expert

I am going to assume this is not your first cycle nor second. And you know about your sensitivity with estrogen in your previous cycles pinning test. Now you are adding deca which has its own sides like prolactin which lead to gyno and not to mention deca dick! That said, It is always better to take test more that deca. Pin 500mg of testE and 300mg deca per week. split them into 2 pins twice a week. So 250mg and 150mg respectively. You need to get cabergolin for the prolactin. If you have this pct already than it`s suffice. I would not take AI if i don`t need it especially in my pct. I take nolva/caber for gyno if i need it. Clomid is find 2 weeks after last pin since you are using testE. hcg is great but i would pin exact prescribes except i would start ONE WEEK before my last pin. Then stop hcg and start clomid which is pct. hope that`s clear. Don`t forget to vote friend!
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POOKIE User profile

That`s pretty stout PCT Cycle and not sure why they are giving you 20,000 total IUs of HCG when they only have you using one bottle unless it`s enough for two PCTs. Regardless, agree that you should blast HCG starting ONE week before last pin then starting the oral PCT 14 days after last pin. Also if this is your first time with deca also agree to just do 300 mgs per week…that`s enough to give you a really good anabolic addition to test. Have caber on hand but doubt you will need it at that low deca dose. Good luck
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JamesEarl User profile Expert

If it`s a first cycle run only test about 500mg weekly. This way you know how it works and then add another compound in your next cycle and so on. As per pct? Either pct with nolvadex for like 3 or 4 weeks about 30mg daily, 20mg if you feel good, 40mg to improve faster. But it`s better to cruise at like 250mg to 300mg test weekly on an ongoing basis. Why? Cycling on and off with pct is a roller coaster ride on your endocrine system and not healthy. But cruising just maintains above normal test to preserve gains. Pct causes some loss in gains. Besides as you age your test goes down regardless and most men go on trt anyway, it`s healthier so why not? It`s not medical advice but an opinion I hold based on my protocol I use on myself and the research I`ve done. As for an ai like arimidex etc? Not everyone needs it and if not needed they`re unhealthy and lowering estrogen too much is bad for your health and steroids won`t work as good without ample estrogen to start with. Yes. That`s correct you read it right in case you`re wondering. So use an ai only if you can see and or feel the estrogenic sides. Finally up-vote me, I`d appreciate it. And by the way not all steroids or for that matter any medication out there work exactly the same on everyone. People react differently, some by a little and a few by a lot. What works for you may not work too well for another person. So it takes experience with various compounds as well over a long time. Good luck man!
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ok perfect decided to run for 250 iu 3x week for 3 weeksthen twice a week then once a weekand for the nova and clomid I run at the same time with HCG nova 40/40/20/20 clomid100/100/50/50??
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JMann User profile

That’s fine, but I think you are over complicating things.
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Taylor User profile

Weeks 1-4- 40 mg GP Nolva per day…….Weeks 1-4 100mg GP Clomiphene per day……Weeks 1-5 1mg GP Anastrozole per day……Week 1- 4,500 iu HCG……Week 2- 3,000 iu HCG….Week 3- 1,500 iu HCG
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Barry Gibson User profile

Sounds good. But just in case, hcg is pregnant urine derived and disease cannot be completely negated therefore people opt to use rhcg with the r meaning recombinant which means it is synthetic in nature and hence free of disease. Now you can opt to eliminate that hcg and use clomid plus nolva and it`ll work but it`s up to you man. Or I`d suggest you at least look into blasting and cruising for now which will eliminate the harsh endrocine roller coaster effect on your hormones and glands all the meanwhile negating your need for a pct altogether.
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John User profile

No do not run HCG with CLOMID and Nolvadex. HCG should be stopped at the end of your cycle. Pct begins about two weeks later. Nolvadex 40/40/20/20 and CLOMID 100/100/50/50
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MegaCycle User profile

You can run nolva 20/20/20/20. 40/40/20/20 is not needed and studies have shown it has 0 benefit over 20/20. Same with Clomid. 20/20 nolva and 50/50 Clomid is plenty
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evan johnson User profile Expert

Yes that looks good although it is not necessary to run HCG with clomid to return your natural testosterone production back to normal
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well the cycle I`m running is basic starter mass stackwhich is Test E 250mg/ 2x weekdeca 250 .5mg/ 2x weekturan 40mg/ dailyanastrozole .5mg/daily so for HCG would I run it like instructed by naps gear or different dose?
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MegaCycle User profile

Hcg is optional, not required. You can run it at 500 twice a week if you want and it would be fine. Hcg is all personal preference
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.50 caliber User profile

That is a very large dose of hCG I would take the advice of some of the others that answered you already I’ve never been above 750 per week that’s 250For a light cycle like you just come off
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JMann User profile

The basic pct protocol for hcg is 250iu twice a week to 500iu twice a week when coming off a larger cycle.
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JD Cycle User profile Expert

That`s honestly how I intend to run mine. I`ve seen so many different protocols that I`m gonna give this a spin. I do like the idea of progressing off the compound instead of steady dosing. I figure I`ll try it once then adjust.
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Barry Gibson User profile

Hcg 500ui weekly mtw or not at all it`s optional but use clomid.
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nickname_464 User profile

This pct stackbis pretty extreme and probably more then you need for such a mild cycle. 250iu three times a week at the end of your cycle for two to three weeks and then twice a week for 2 weeks and finally one a week should suffice. Best of luck mate.
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how do I run my HCG I read else where to do less but not sure
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Mario User profile

I run my HCG entire cycle. I start day after my first pin. I use 259 iu`s twice a week for a total of 500iu`s a week. I come off one week after my last pin. I find it helps me bounce back quicker and my PCT to go smoothly.
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Gymr User profile

For TRT purposes I run 250 units x2 a week
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Dromeo User profile

You can run this on cycle and as PCT. Up to you. Many run 250iu a week and others up to 500iu.
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JMann User profile

If you are coming off a large cycle 500iu twice a week is acceptable.
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Dan User profile Expert

2 methods. If you want your ball to have little boys than pin subQ at 250-500 iu per week while on cycle. As a pct regimen pin 1,500-2,000 eod a week before last pin. Use 10,000iu. Once hcg is gone which is about 2 weeks after last pin. Then start pct. good luck
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JuiceNaps User profile Expert

I would do 250iu twice per week until nuts and loads are full. thanks for the question
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how do I run my HCG I read else where to do less but not sure
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Mario User profile

For TRT purposes I run 250 units x2 a week
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Dromeo User profile

You can run this on cycle and as PCT. Up to you. Many run 250iu a week and others up to 500iu.
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JMann User profile

If you are coming off a large cycle 500iu twice a week is acceptable.
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Dan User profile Expert

I would do 250iu twice per week until nuts and loads are full. thanks for the question
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Ok im getting ready to do my first cycle ever (never used b4) what exactly is pct? I`ve done some research on doing gear and everyone says to do pct, try, ect. But no real explanation of what it is and if it`d just one “vial” /oral thing and when ot Joe long after your first gear cycle to take it.
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Papi1266 User profile

Not to be rude, but if you do not know enough about using gear, I am thinking you should either do more research first or not use ar all. With that being said a first cycle of test would be a good start, depends on what your looking to do. Not enough knowledge could lead to hurting your body. Good luck
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BigOlRed User profile

Always start out with testosterone alone just to see how your body handles it
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John Porco User profile

PCT is Post cycle therapy. You need to help your body start producing again after a cycle. Standard is CLOMID and Nolvadex for 4 weeks starting two weeks after your last pin if you are using Test E or C
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Unc33135 User profile

Pct stands for post cycle therapy. While your on cycle your body stops producing test on its own because of the artificial chemicals your putting in your body. Pct is to get your body to produce test on its own again so you dont lose all your gains and dont experience sides from now not producing enough testosterone. Also people take things to combate estrogen related sides like gyno. Thats about as well as i can sum it up for you to easily understand. Keep researching, theres a ton out there on it.
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Ronald Bobby User profile

The pct is to start your natural testerone back your body will start to become dependent on testerone. If you don`t do a pct you may not ever come back. I wouldn`t take morals on your first cycle my recommendation is testosterone cypionate 200mg twice a week for 12 weeks
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nickname_464 User profile

PCT stands for post cycle therapy and it is referring to getting your natural test levels back to normal or where they were before you started a cycle. You`ll want to start your PCT about 2 weeks after your last injection. Best of luck mate.
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Ok im getting ready to do my first cycle ever (never used b4) what exactly is pct? I`ve done some research on doing gear and everyone says to do pct, try, ect. But no real explanation of what it is and if it`d just one “vial” /oral thing and when ot Joe long after your first gear cycle to take it.
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Drew User profile

After you cycle is completed you want to get your body back to normal as fast as possible so you do pct to speed up that process. You want to take clomid 100mgs Ed for two weeks that 50mgs ed for two more weeks also you take nolvadex 40mgs Ed for two weeks than 20mgs Ed for three more weeks.
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BigOlRed User profile

First time I wouldn`t use anything other than testosterone just see how your body handles it 8 week start out around 2 to 300 milligram a week get some arimidex for the sides take that twice a week
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Mark User profile

That`s the period after you finish your cycle. It is critical to get your system functioning normal again. Also so you can keep your natural Test working and not feel like total crap when you come off. Help keep some of the gains. Some use just CLOMID, I prefer CLOMID and Nolvadex for 3 to 5 weeks
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Taylor User profile

So PCT is post cycle treatment which is to get your levels back to normal once your body had fully absorbed and passed out all the steroids from your body.
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JuiceNaps User profile Expert

Hey Gainz, PCT is post cycle therapy and is a protocol of drugs that turn your natural production of testosterone back on. When you are on cycle, your natural test is suppressed or turned off. PCT involves clomid and HCG over an amount of time. Blood work is the only way to really know what is going on. Thanks for the question
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nickname_458 User profile

Pct is to return testicular function and bring test levels back cuz exogenous test shits natural production down. I`d do 40mg Nolvadex 10 days after last injection. 40mg daily 1st week then 20mg daily for 3-4 more weeks.
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I ran a 10 week cycle of 500mg test enan and 400mg primobolan and only took clomid as my PCT. I do not feel like my test levels have returned back to normal and still have some testicular atrophy. My last injection was 6 months ago. Would it be safe to start the basic PCT cycle now to try to restore my natural test?
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JD Cycle User profile Expert

First, you may think it`s down just because being on cycle is so damn amazing. But if you feel like it`s down, your best bet is to get some labs done and verify. I would always run clomid and nolva PCT though and likely some HCG. I`m a fan of the PCT tabs from SIS too, but they have been unavailable for a bit.
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JuiceNaps User profile Expert

Hey Lemmy, I would consider getting with a doctor about this. I assume you`re getting regular blood work done to know these levels and not just going by “feeling?” A lot of guys would return in 6 months with no PCT. If you are older, over 35, maybe consider asking your doctor about TRT. Regarding your question, it`s always safe to start a basic PCT but the question is will it be effective and is the timing right. You may need a more aggressive PCT: nolva, clomid, HCG. If that doesn`t get your levels moving in the right direction in 6-8 weeks then I personally would go for TRT. Thanks for the question.
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Anonymous 467 User profile

Blood work is key bro. It`s the only way to truly know what your body is doing. Get some bloods done and then act accordingly. If it has been 6 months another pct isn`t gonna do much. There are alternatives
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Smith441 User profile Expert

Next time take hcg 500-1000iu a week while on cycle to have a smooth transition. If you still have atrophy blast hcg 2000iu a week for three weeks then 50mg a day clomid and 20mg a day nolva for a month. Wait a month then get a blood work done to check your numbers are back to normal or not
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Lord User profile

It may not ever come back. I always tell anyone who asks questions about estrogen related sides with how much adex to run and always refer to bloodwork and you`re basically guessing without it.
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N88 User profile

Recommend you get bloodwork done to see what your levels are. You can still dose HCG for two weeks to get it back if they are low. The only bad thing is we don`t know what you were before the cycle as a reference
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I am taking the El Classico Beginner`s Cutting Stack and wanted to know if this PCT will fit the bill for recovery or is something else suggested. TIA.Testosterone Propionate, Nandrolone Phenylpropionate, StanozololWeek 1-8 (10):Test Propionate 100 – 100mg EODWeek 1-8: Nandrolone Phenylpropionate 100 – 100mg EODWeek 1-7: Winstrol 10 – 40mg EDWeek 1-8: HCG Fertigyn 500iu 2 x week
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Sarge User profile

honestly this product is a complete overkill, and includes products such as proviron which to a small degree hampers your recovery, and and erectile dysfunction drug that will be totally unnecessary for most people. You can adequately recover with Nolvadex taken at 40 mg per day for weeks 1-2, and 20mg per day for weeks 3-4. Thats it!
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Bob User profile

Beginners stack shouldn`t be a stack. Should just be Test alone. Prop, E, or C at 300 to 500mg a week. That`s more than enough to get great gains your first time around. Regardless of the fact, if you feel you need a PCT, CLOMID 4 weeks at 100/100/50/50 and Nolvadex for 4 weeks of 40/40/20/20 should be more than enoug to get you back to feeling ok.
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Obama User profile

Where is your ai. Always have that on hand for any cycle
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Fit_mom User profile

This pct stack comes with everything you would need. The description in the stack looks good overall. Good luck
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N88 User profile

If you are running HCG the whole cycle this might be overkill. I`m tracking 350 mgs of test a week 350 mgs of NPP and winny 40 mgs for 7 weeks right? You could just run your HCG 500 IU into your PCT and go 40/40/20/20 for Nolva and 100/100/50/50 for clomid at a minimum
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JB205 User profile Expert

Is this your first cycle or are you just running this stack and have done a few cycles already. If it`s your first cycle, I would just run test cyp or e and would avoid running any orals until you know how your body would react to test alone since it should be used as a base during cycles. And I would have an AI on hand to help keep estrogen levels in check.
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swolebro…. how long after my last injection should i wait to start the nolvadex and some hcg?
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Swolebro User profile

If you are taking enanthate, then wait at least 2 weeks. Some people even suggest 3 weeks. You`re really just waiting til the enanthate exits your system. As far as hcg is concerned, I cant really give you an answer for that. I don`t have much experience with it as I don`t use it. In my opinion hcg is a little over kill for a test only cycle. If you were taking really powerful gear, then it may be worth it. Maybe someone who has personal experience can answer your hcg question. I just don`t want to give out bad advice. Sorry man. Good luck.
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Unc33135 User profile

It depends on the half life of the substance. Something like enanthate wait 2 or 3 weeks. If its a quick acting then within a week. As far as hcg a lot of people start it mid cycle to prevent shut down then continue it through pct.
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Jasonz User profile

To answer your hcg question it depends on the gear you have been using. If test enanthate or cyp wait 2 weeks before starting hcg. If prop I wait only 5 days or so. I usually take 500iu eod for 2 weeks only then 2 days after last injection start the clomid, nova etc.i find hcg a fantastic product to get the boys up and running again and I feel awesome on it too. That`s my protocol and it seems to work for me. Read up on the Q&A with the IFBB pro to to get some great advice as well.
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nickname_537 User profile

Depends on the ester. If it`s sustanon or cypionate or enanthate about 2 weeks. If it`s prop or suspension in a day or too.
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nickname_610 User profile

Depends what test you were injected. Chlomid and nolvadex- Long Easter Enantat or sustanon and cipionat two weeks . Propionat two days. Hcg you should start while you on circle 250 iu twice a week. If you did not you should use immediately but 1000iu every other day , total 25000 iu.
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nickname_48 User profile Expert

People run the hcg the entire cycle to prevent the testies from going to sleep. To answer the clomid and nolva question, you can take it right away after the your last pin. It takes clomid 6 days to fully saturate the estrogen receptors in the brain which is what stimulates LH and FSH production.
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i ordered the basic starters mass stack and was just wondering if i would need something like that for the end of that cycle. it already comes with the 2 pack of that anastrozole and i assumed that would cover me for the pct. but now i saw this. will this be necessary? and also i wasnt planning on doing the full dosage of my mass stack. it calls for 500mg enanthate and 250 deca with a little tbol. i was basicall going to do half of the dosages seeing how this will be my first actual cycle. im 30 years old and recently dabbled into a little bit of cypionate. roughly 300mg a week and have been off for 2 weeks now. was going to give it a few months before i start this stack just so you guys are aware.
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anonymous866 User profile

You will need a PCT in order to restart your natural testosterone production which will get suppressed while you are on cycle. The first thing you will need is HCG which will cause your testicles to regrow back to normal size. Next you will need clomid which ramps up your body`s natural testosterone production. You can take the anastrozole while the HCG is in your body but will need to stop taking it before you start the clomid. You shouldn`t take clomid and aromatase inhibitors at the same time
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Jason hodges User profile

I would say run hcg 250 mg twice weekly Mon and Thurs example I keeps you natural test levels up and balls from shrinking then wait two weeks and run nolvadex 40 40 20 20 before bed, and aromasin or arimidex
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Canadian User profile

Yes you will need to buy PCT separately. Also if I were you I`d save the Deca and Tbol for your second or third cycle. Start with just the Test E and take 500mg per week to start. This stack comes with an AI so use that as you need. Take .5 arimidex eod (every other day) when you start to feel sides. Lower or increase as you see fit.
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nickname_610 User profile

I would not run deca for the first circle. Anastrosol use only when you have side effects like your nipples are hurts… if you decide to use deca take caber to keep your prolactin level low. Chlomid and nolvadex for pct. hcg you inject during your circle 250iu twice a week.
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K.D.T User profile

You would need something like this anasrosole is for estrogen related sides not a good choice for pct
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Swolebro User profile

Just buy nolvadex and or clomid for your pct. That`s standard protocol for any pct. If you`re really worried about restarting your balls, look into hcg. Take the nolvadex 40mg per day weeks 1 and 2. 20 mg per day weeks 3 and 4. Clomid would be 100/100/50/50mg daily.
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My question is I did a 12 week cycle, after I started anavar not knowing it would keep my natural test levels suppressed I stopped taking the anavar yesterday an it`s been 3 weeks since my last Deca test pin can I start my PCT today an be fine?
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nickname_610 User profile

Sure you can start pct today chlomid and nolvadex during month.
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omeed haji User profile

Hello my friend. If it’s me I would do 2 more week test only after ur last pin of Deca
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Thomas Bauman User profile

Thats fine, Anavar has a short half life (10 hours aprox) so if that was the only anabolic you were taking you can begin PCT immediately.
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nickname_537 User profile

It`s my opinion based on personal experience and it may not apply to your body type…i never found pct a big issue and honestly never did pct. Just me. No issues. No depression. No libido change. Definite shrinkage in balls. I think you`re fine based on my assessment. (test will get normal eiyhout pct but supposedly takes longer so even without pct it returned to normal on me then i guess). But i only felt ball shrinkage which means nothing.
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Anon151 User profile

Yes anavar has a short half life and is a lot milder than other compounds. Go ahead and start your PCT bro
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N88 User profile

Yes you can start it now. Normally PCT starts 14 days after last pin if using long esters.
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If I ran a little of the anavar after my 12 week how long should I wait it`s been about 3 weeks now an my last dosage of anavar was yesterday not knowing it would keep my natty test levels shut down.
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nickname_21 User profile Expert

All steroids will shut you down so what are you asking are you asking about pct when to start. Well if you are start it now if it`s been 3 weeks since you used injectable stay off the orals until next cycle
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Bootlegger97 User profile

Ran out of anavar after 12 week? I’m assuming you mean a 12 week test and 4 week var.next big thing is surely you would of done some basic math and realised 1 packet of var wouldn’t run the 4 week on whatever dosage you were on?And how did you not know it would shut your test down? Lack of research comes to mind.i guess you should probably remember when you last pinned test, wait 2 weeks from that date and start your PCT. never been in this situation so not sure if that’s correct but it would sound about right. I hope you ordered pct already.
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Time Pruett User profile

I think you are ok, watch for any sides, hopefully you have some ancillaries ready to go if any pop up. There are cheap blood labs online that can test your hormones so you know for sure.
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Aaaa User profile

Idk, im very prone to estrogenic side effects, so im afraid of them, i would just go off cycle and start taking clomid after 2weeks
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John User profile

Anavar is liver toxic so it’s recommende to take for only 4-5 weeks. You need to stay off for a few months at least to let your liver heal. Take some Milk Thistle or Choline Onositol while off cycle
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anon5_uk User profile Expert

All AAS are going to keep you supressed, you need to get off of that to restore your natural levels. Although I am not sure what your question is here? You need to wait at least 3 months to start a new cycle.
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Off my 12 week cycle of Test E Deca Anadrol an exesmestane two weeks after last pin should I start PCT an if I take a little anavar when is best to take it before PCT or after
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Bradley Ouzts User profile

I`d clean out and do the Anavar after .
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GainsVille_85 User profile

If you “take a little anavar” you’ll continue to keep yourself shut down. A proper pct doesn’t include any anabolics. There’s no reason to start your PCT until your hormone levels are low enough to allow the PCT meds to do their thing, that being said, when you start will depend on when your last shot of Deca was and the dose you were using. Most guys say 2 weeks but really it needs to be closer to 3. I recommend switching to short esters as you allow the long ones to clear your system.
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Manster User profile

You need to be cleaned out 100 so that youcan use the pct to get your test to kick back in naturally. The anavar will keep you shut down so pct cant do it`s job properly if all that is floating around inside you.
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Zach Linder User profile Expert

Come off of everything for now. Save the Var. Keep your levels back to normal and consider getting bloods done when you finish you PCT. Good Luck, and be smart
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Md Phd User profile

Deca takes up to 21 days to stop effecting tour natural testosterone production. Use your anavar now. Keep taking exemestane for 30 days. Take HCG at 500iu 3X per week now and start PCT(Clomid 100mg per day) at the end of 21 days post injection. Keep asking questions.
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Time Pruett User profile

Save the var for the next cycle. Start PCT and complete it.
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I would like to know how to get my order? I got my first one no problem but when I ordered this PCT stack it never came !
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mchilds User profile

If it shipped from a different supplier it might take a different amount of time to arrive. If it has gone longer than they expected delivery date go ahead and notify Naps. They will always make sure you get your products one way or another. Even if it’s seized by customs.
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anon5_uk User profile Expert

Talk to Naps if it has been more than a month since you have placed the order. What does the tracking info say, is it stuck at customs or something? We will need more information to assist you with this matter.
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nickname_220 User profile

If its been more than a month i would definitely contact naps. Very rarely do packages get seized but it does happen once every so often. naps will take care of you one way or another. Good luck man hope you get things figured out
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Charles Blaydes User profile

That`s bad new`s but you will get you`re product go contact nap`s let them know it hasn`t arrived they will fix it if it has passed enough time it`s 30 days, but no matter what you will receive it after you let them know.
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Constantino Alvarez II User profile

contact NAPS.support ticket.its all here if you READ.
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Z05 User profile

No worries bro it will get here if not they’ll re-send no doubt. I’m telling you I’m the most impatient mfker in NAPS no doubt but they took care of me just like anyone else so nice worries
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I need some help with PCT PLEASE. I just finished back to back cycles(well 1 month in between) my last 10 weeks has been TriTest400 2x`s per week with 40 mg of methandienone (1hr before every workout) and Anastrozole .5mg daily. I am 178lbs-5`10″ and 45 yrs old at about 9% body fat. I NEED to know how much Clomid and Nolvadex I should be taking?s WHEN I should start and for how long? Do I taper off of those? I would GREATLY appreciate any knowledgeable advice. Thank you in advance…..
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Jaris User profile

Your arimidex shoud go into your pct, like the first week, just taper it slowly
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Swoll,onthe,low User profile

I would say a good pct is Nolva 40,40,20,20Clomid50mg,25, 25,25Hcg 200mcg Ed 2weeks 178lbs after 2 back to back cycles.what did you start at.that seems small but I don`t know your starting size or goals.just various can you elaborate?
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Larry User profile Expert

You should not take hcg during pct. Hcg mimics LH hormone as long as there is exogenous LH in your system your body is not going to produce it. You take hcg 500iu a week while on cycle Then you start clomid 50mg for two weeks the 25mg for another two weeks. Clomid stimulates LH and FSH production in the body. Clomid is enough for Test only cycles but if you take multiple compounds add nolva to your pct. 40mg two weeks and 20 mg for another two
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nickname_556 User profile

Hcg is a must in my opion I would start 40 nova first 2 weeks then 20 next 2 weeks 100 clomed first 2 weeks then 50 next 2 weeks and about 200 to 500 mcg mcg emdiatly ending cycle in till end of your pct this protocol is used bye a few pro bodybuliders you can fund it on you tube also and cam say persanly it`s very effective
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ViktorN User profile

The longer you on cycle the longer you let younody recuperate. Since you are on back to back; I don’t know why you r doing it but you basically need to get your natural test production back. You already got you estrogen in control with arimidex all you need now os to get your testes runnning again. Start your pct 2 weeks after your last pin. Take Nolva 40mg and Clomid 100mg for 2 weeks. Then drop it down to Nolva 20mg and Clomid 50mg for another 2 weeks. Don’t start any cycle until at least 2 months. Or you can following the simple protocol of the pre pct package you purchased. Rule is time on equal time off. But it sounds like you going to jump back into it so I m suggesting 2months or 8 weeks only. In the end it’s all up to you my friends! Good luck!
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I have been on anabolics for a while, and I have ways blasted and cruised between cycles. I am about to run the PCT stack. I am adding an extra 10,000 HCG and I will run it a little higher and longer, and I am also adding proviron. Any feedback on how I am going to feel when I get totally off the juice? How much size can I expect to lose? Will I be tired all day? This is really my first time going back all natural.
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LegacyLifter User profile

I personally would just transition to trt at 100-150 mg/week. Find a dose that you don’t need an AI on. It’s cheap, easy and effective. Coming off for feritility is understandable but otherwise you’re going to be down in the dumps for about a few months.
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Marcus User profile

Unfortunately you are going to feel like shit. I always do even if I do 12 weeks on and rest of the year off. Going from superman feeling to supershit feeling. Clomid will make you tired and wanna sleep all day. You gonna feel exhausted with 0 motivation. But guess what. You still need to hit the gym and lift as much as you can cuz that gonna help you start producing natural test quicker. Keep your diet on spot and force yourself to go to the gym even if you wont have energy at all. Stay strong and dont worry you`ll survive like all of us. It depends how quick you gain that how much you lose. I usually dont gain a lot but I keep lets say 70-80%. You just need to accept it and be patient until you do another cycle.
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Will User profile Expert

First off, DON`T run Proviron if you`re doing PCT. Reason is because you arent doing PCT then since Proviron is an oral steroid. Drop it and save for your next cycle. How you come off is going to determine your results. You can minimize muscle and strength lost by keeping calories and protein high. You will get softer, so expect and make peace with that. Energy levels might be down, they might not be affected. Everyone is different. You may be a bit more emotional while on Clomid but that`s a common side effect. Keep strong and recover your health and natural levels WITHOUT proviron and then plan your next cycle a couple months down the line.
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Scott User profile

Damn dude, this one hit home for me. I’ve been blasting and cruising for over a year now and am terrified of PCTing. I slowly have been forcing myself to accept that I’m going to be pinning the rest of my days but fertility is my main issue/concern aswell since the girl has been talking about the future a lot recently. Keep us posted on your journey man. Stay strong dude.
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Massgains User profile

Absolutely do not run proviron during your post you will only slow you process. Hcg 1000units eod is plenty if the boys don’t come back start ed. Recommend to run clomid and nolvadex as well for at least a months and a half during and after the hcg.
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nickname_537 User profile

Much better off going down to about 200mg testosterone per week to maintain. If for some odd reason you want you can gradually taper that off to 150mg then 100mg etc but honestly just go on trt and depending on your age you`ll eventually be on trt regardless, I`ve been on it since like only 28yrs old and back then I never used steroids that caused it. Tip: hcg is from pregnant female piss. Medical literature can not and will not guarantee it`s disease free. Period. Besides even if it was why inject thousands of peoples or anybody`s piss??? Opt for rhcg. R is for recombinant and it is synthetic. If it doesn`t say recombinant than I personally don`t use it.g
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I`m about to start running the basic pct stack. Do you mix the Sodium Chloride with the Gonadotrophin?What are the steps?
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ROBERT User profile

Yes I believe it will come in two separate vials the isotope sodium chloride and the HCG. The HCG will come dry and need to be mixed prior to being used. The best way for me personally is to have someone explain it to me while showing me. So what you should do is go to YouTube and search mixing HCG for use. They will be able to explain it to you while showing you.
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LongIslandBEAST User profile

HGH is mixed with NaCl. I use a 25g needle to grab the water (sodium chloride aqueous) and then pull out a mL of air from the HGH vial before putting the water in. This gives us a pressure equilibrium and will prevent air from rushing out the top and causing it to “spit”. Then you use an insulin syringe when you want to draw it up. Voila!
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Beard User profile

I dont believe these come with the bacteriostatic water to mix it. But u can do a quick Google search n get it pretty cheap.
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John User profile Expert

Mix the bac water with the powder and slowly roll on the palm of of your hand to dissolve it (don`t shake because hcg is very fragile) and keep it in the fridge. You at the dose yourself, if you mix 10ml of bac water with 10000iu you would get 1000iu/ml. If you mix 2ml you get 5000iu/ml
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GainsVille_85 User profile

Using bacteriostatic water instead of the sodium chloride will give your solution a longer shelf life if kept in the fridge.
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Swoleville User profile

I never use that. Just get some bac water to mix it with
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So lets say Somone was just taking an oral cycle of dianabol and Primo (the cycle would go for 8 weeks) would the hcg be neccescary?
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LegacyLifter User profile

Take a low dose of test. Don`t do any oral only cycles. Hcg is not needed but it accelerates the recovery.
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Will User profile Expert

I`ll echo not to do an oral only cycle. You don`t make any sustainable gains in strength or muscle mass. Orals WILL suppress your natural levels. HCG won`t be needed but a PCT to restore your natural levels would be smart. Don`t waste your money on orals only, add test. If you`re afraid of injecting, watch a YouTube video on it. If you`re still afraid of injecting, stay away from AAS. Orals can be very toxic to your body and health.
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Scott User profile

Oral only cycles show such minimal results with such high amounts of damage to your liver. I wouldn’t even recommend running orals longer than 6 weeks. 4 weeks is my personal preference. That being said and if you are already running it, no HCG won’t be needed. A simple PCT will suffice after your done. Nolva/clomid.
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evan johnson User profile Expert

No HCG would not be necessary. However, some sort of PCT would be necessary such as taking clomid and nolvadex.
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Maison Jardin User profile

My friend there is no point in you one wasting you money because your not going to get the results you want. Your best bet is to run a cycle 500mgs of test with you primo and dbol. You even better off getting actual primo that you inject better on your liver and you will get better results.
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Big E User profile

You definitely need to run test. Just a maintenance dose of 250mg/wk will be fine if you are worried about bloat, gyno or any other sides. A simple PCT stack of Clomid and Nolvadex will due just fine,no HCG is necessary.
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Will I be able to maintain my gains with this protocol?
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Swoleville User profile

Its impossible to keep all gains after completing a cycle. But with a proper pct and continued hard work in the gym you can keep a solid amount.
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Will User profile Expert

That is your standard PCT and it will do the work of restoring your natural hormone production. As far as maintaining gains will mostly be determined by your training and eating while on PCT and after. If you`re not training hard enough or you suddenly eat less calories, your body won`t hold onto the muscle that was built. Strength loss can be expected but keeping training intensity high and still pushing for progression will help maintain them.
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Big E User profile

Your diet and how you train will determine if you keep any substantial gains. As previously stated you definitely need to run PCT to get your natural testosterone levels up to par but that`s only half the battle.
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Socaljuicer User profile Expert

A successful PCT protocol will create the environment to keep the greatest percentage of your gains post cycle. Most importantly, you need to really keep your diet in order and be sure to work out with the same intensity as when you were on cycle. Having said all of this, I believe that this product containing proviron and an ED drug is frankly a bit of an overkill. Nolva at 40mg per day is all that is needed for standard recovery.
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Beard User profile

Definitely. This also has an AI in there but ud have to assume u were taking one during your cycle anyway? So either continue that one instead or start this one as directed if u weren`t using one throughout ur cycle
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LongIslandBEAST User profile

SoCal I think you are thinking of the SIS PCT Tabs that have the Proviron and cialis in it. But yeah idk about the HCG as part of PCT. Good old Clomid and Nokvadex should be good and if anything add some aromasin.
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Can I do the pct regime while taking hgh every other day
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evan johnson User profile Expert

Yes PCT is done to get your natural testosterone function back. Taking HGH has no effect on this and can be done on or off cycle.
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ROBERT User profile

Yes HGH has no substance that takes away your natural testosterone. So you will be fine
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Will User profile Expert

Yes, that`s perfectly fine. HGH does not suppress your testosterone levels so it won`t interfere with your PCT and should continue with its benefits of better sleep, recovery, and fatloss.
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Don O User profile Expert

Yes you can take HGH while doing your PCT and it wont have any detrimental effects on your recovery.
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Anonymous User profile

Yes, you would get more of your gains that way too since hgh also has muscle building qualities
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nickname User profile

HGH by itself burns fat and builds muscle. It should be beneficial to use it during the pct actually. PCT is a time you let your body to start producing test again by itself, some muscle size will be lost during pct, HGH should help keep more of that size
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Is the hcg necessary to take? Would you be ok without it while still using the rest of this stack?
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Will User profile Expert

If your goal is to restore your natural hormones after a cycle, which PCTing usually means that`s the goal, than you`d want HCG, Nolvadex, and Clomid. Those will restore your natural levels the fastest. If you`re just cruising between cycles, all of those just mentioned would be pointless.
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anon5_uk User profile Expert

hCG is not needed for simple cycles (i. e. testosterone only) or for shorter cycles (
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Anonymous 4266 User profile

HCG will prevent the testicle from going to sleep basically. It keeps them up and running so when you are off steroids your body can get natural production back up quicker
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ROBERT User profile

HCG will help out with your testicles from shrinking and the lose of your natural production.
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Vincent Valentine User profile Expert

I feel like this question merits a comprehensive conversation, but to spare you a wall of text I`ll give my over-simplified answer: it depends on the user. Since it`s impossible for me to know how well your particular body would respond to HCG, or how well your body can recover without it post-cycle, it`s impossible for me to tell you if it`s necessary for you to take. Besides someone`s individual genetics and the quality of someone`s PCT, there are also other factors that effect the body`s ability to successfully rebound post-cycle, such as the compounds you used while on-cycle and the duration of the cycle you`re attempting to come out of. My advice? Take it. Think about it like riding a motorcycle. Is wearing a helmet and motorcycle jacket absolutely necessary to ride that bike? No, of course not. But wouldn`t it be wise to take every safety precaution you can just in case you go down? Taking HCG is wise because it helps the body recover post-cycle in ways that Nolva, Clomid, and Arimidex don`t. However, I`d modify the doses of HCG this stack tells you to take. I wouldn`t take more than 1000ius of HCG, as doses over 800ius have been shown to induce leydig cell desensitization.
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nickname_537 User profile

Hcg is not needed. For pct clomid can work or Nolvadex too. Some just blast with a heavier dose of steroids and cruise on 200mg to no more than 300mg testosterone per week thus avoiding the roller-coaster effect of cycling on and off and doing pct which can get harsh on the body. The cruise dose prevents muscle loss from the past blast doses whereas during a pct you will inevitably lose muscle sometimes all that you gained from the past cycle if things go wrong. Just an idea. But no hcg is not needed. Personally I never ran pct and it was ok so everybody is different but I don`t suggest skipping pct, do clomid or nolva, or just blast and cruise (what you save on pct cost will allow about equal savings if you just cruised after the blast). These are just for informational purposes of things done and how you proceed is up to you. I hope this information helped and will peak your interest in further research on blast and cruise. I feel it is less of a jolt on the body to blast and cruise vs cycling on and off but that`s my opinion that I share with others and is not meant as professional medical advice.
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So I have been taking . 5 ml of deca and 1 ml of test Cypionate my last injection is on jun 5th. I have clomid and arimidex will this be enough as a pct how long should I wait to start taking?
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evan johnson User profile Expert

The clomid should be enough although it would be better if you had nolva also. Because those are very long acting esters wait 14 days and then take 100mg clomid for 2 weeks and then 50mg clomid for another 4 weeks. You do not need adex for PCT.
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anon5_uk User profile Expert

Start PCT 10-14 days after last injection. You need Nolvadex for PCT, if you order right now you`ll still get it in time. You may add Clomid to it if you wish. Arimidex won`t do much for PCT.
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Will User profile Expert

Arimidex isn`t used during a PCT. It`s an AI and used during cycle to combat estrogen. Clomid and Nolvadex are the 2 compounds you want to run during your PCT. Start 2 weeks after your last injection so everything has cleared out of your system and those 2 compounds work to restore your natural levels.
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nickname_537 User profile

Arimidex is an estrogen blocker. It is not used to raise back test levels and hence it won`t benefit you during pct. Besides estrogen buildup may or may not occur. I never use an ai. Even at close to 2,000mg test weekly I never needed an ai. But it doesn`t mean you won`t. All I`m telling you is that not everyone gets the same side effects and some may get very little to none. For pct nolva and clomid is fine. Ever thought about blast and cruise? A heavier cycle followed by 200mg but no more than 300mg test weekly will keep your gains and avoid the harsh roller-coaster ride of cycling on and off and doing pct, plus you`ll save on pct drugs so it won`t cost much more either. But regardless nolva and clomid is fine for pct. Look into hcg too. Not hgh but hcg.
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Alex Mraz User profile

Start taking your pct two weeks after last injection. Clomid at 100mgs ed for two weeks than at 50mgs ed for two more weeks. Nolvadex run at 40 mgs ed for two weeks that 20mgs ed for an other month. You might want to consider hcg considering how bad the Deca shut you down is run that at 1000mcg eod for 10days starting a week after your last shot.
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If I`m taking the basic starter mass stack (Test E & Deca), do I need to use the HCG – or will Nolva & Clomid be enough?
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anon5_uk User profile Expert

To be honest, it`s up to you. Best practice would be to have it on hand, and see if at week 8 your testicles have shrinkage or not. But standard PCT that you mentioned should be good enough. Also, sounding from this question, I`ll add this: if you don`t have prior gear experience, go with testosterone only cycle, 500 mg/week. It should always be as default first cycle for men.
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Tommie t User profile

I guess it would all depend on you and your body. Did you experience really bad testicle apathy. If so you might want to consider hcg. If not your good with just. Clomid and nolvadex. I would run my clomid at 50mgs for one month and the nolvadex at 20mgs for 45 days.
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nickname_537 User profile

I always say this and nobody can disagree. Everyone reacts differently to steroids (and other medicines). Some flare up with high estrogen and develop gynocomastia (man boobs), while others like me for example do not ever need anti estrogen compounds even on 1,500mg per week of testosterone. Same for pct, some get shut down hard and others not so hard. Best advice is to have your anti estrogen on hand in case until you are 100% certain as to how you`ll respond or if increasing dosages/adding other compounds etc. As per your pct it is fine. Tip: some opt to blast (heavier cycle) and cruise (lighter cycle 200mg to no more than 300mg test weekly), reason is that it avoids the roller coaster of cycling on and off and doing pct, furthermore during pct you`ll still lose some gains and if you mess up all of your gains, but during a cruise the 200mg-300mg test per week is sufficient to hold up your previous blast cycle gains. That`s just food for thought. Cost wise it`s not so bad because what you spend on test you`re saving on pct. Note if it is your first cycle then start with only testosterone up to 500mg per week but not more. Starting with only testosterone will allow you to know how it effects you and you won`t confuse the effect with another compound. Later you can add one more compound at a time. I hope this overall general information helps you.
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Jay Thomson User profile

I like hcg a lot, it keeps the balls working while on cycle
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LegacyLifter User profile

Hcg can be great to use during cycle and post cycle to enhance and expedite the recovery process. It can increase estradiol symptoms so I’d do more research before proceeding.
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General Question and I`ll try not to be too longwinded. (BEFORE I KNEW OF NAPS) I`m 42 and have been an athlete (though not bodybuilder) my whole life. Last year around August I discovered Sarms and used a cycle. .had great results. During that time I took the opportunity to get my T checked so I could get prescribed Test. It worked. .I was low as expected and was prescribed TRT of 100 Test E once a week. I just started what will be my first real cycle of TestE 250×2 a wk + 40mg DBol daily (arimidex . 5 EOD). I will run the Dbol for 25 Days and the Test for 10-12 weeks. My question. Should I run a PCT after and completely come off, or would you recommend cruising on TRT. I should note that I don`t believe my actual production was in need of TRT and since going on it I`ve noticed my ejaculation has seemed harder to obtain and less plentiful than prior. I welcome any advice. Thanks!Of note I do intend to do further cycles in the future as well.
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Nathan Co User profile

I would recommend getting blood work done. Usually that means you estrogen is either too high or low. When my estrogen gets too low, I feel it in my needs and my erections suffer. I also get really lethargic and sleepy. I have yet to get my estrogen high, but you are better off having it a bit high than crashing it out. It takes a solid month before your joints stop aching and energy comes back. Honestly. You probably should have had bloods done before you started cycle. Might wanna do a private test and keep your doc out of it or explain this to him before the blood work. I love that I can be 100% honest with my doc, so I tell him everything I take. But anyway. .. blood work is the only way to know what’s going on.
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D-man User profile Expert

Whether you should go on TRT or not is not something you should take advice for. That is a personal decision. I will say that at this point, you could come off pretty easily. The longer you stay on TRT, the more of a permanent decision it becomes. My suggestion is that once you come off of your cycle, do a PCT. After you feel you have recovered to 100% percent, go get bloodwork done to see where you really are, and if you need to be on TRT. You can always go back on later in life if you really need to.
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Trt man User profile

It’s up to you as I am in a similar boat as you. I don’t like to commit to a life of anything if I dont have to. I personally would grab some PCT after a nice blast and a couple months of cruising to keep your gains. Then do a PCT and get your labs checked. Then if you really wanted you could stockpile the prescribed test for your next cycle and do 2-3 cycles a year until you are happy. Then keep checking labs post PCT and make sure you are still good. I agree that trt is not the “fountain of youth” and I end up with more erectile problems when I am on trt then off. Just my 2 cents but don’t commit yourself if you don’t have to. A lifetime is very long and do you want to be injecting every week for the next 40 years if you don’t have to?
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SocalJuicer User profile Expert

You should do your research and be absolutely sure of your decision. I would look at cruising on TRT as a permanent decision, and should be done in conjuction with other health management (such as cholesterol management), especially at your age. Safe bet would be to come off cycle, run a PCT, recover, then run 2 cycles per year. I am your age as well, so I go back and fourth on this question. ..
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ROBERT User profile

Make sure you get bloodwork to monitor your levels. If you`re going to cruise I would recommend on recovering fully for a few months from your last cycle, check bloodwork then if all is good you`re able to run.
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N88 User profile

I`d come off completely, do a PCT then get checked a few months after to see what your natural production is. Natural test kicking in daily doses to the body naturally is way better than hitting the pin once a week. If you were 25 clearly keep everything working but since you are 42 it`s best to see where you are at naturally since it`s way more healthy to have high natural test levels vs trt. If it comes back low like under 400 then trt is the way to go
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I’m about to be running the beginners bulk pre designed stack and been reading up on PCT. I was going to run this PCT which includes HCG already and recommends starts. Well I always take mike Jones advice being as he always has great info and read where you recommend taking HCG from beginning of cycle. So my question is, do I need to take HCG during my cycle and then includes this HCG of the PCT as well.
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GainsVille_85 User profile

If you run 250ius twice a week for the length of your cycle you should not have to incorporate the HCG in to your PCT protocol because you’ve already addressed the most important part of recovery which is getting your balls active again. Some guys choose to incorporate it towards the end of a cycle and the start of PCT in higher doses for a shorter duration to avoid desensitization.
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Lav3ga User profile Expert

Some like to run “maintenance” HCG on cycle, some prefer to blast it right before PCT. I prefer the blast. The kit you are looking at is good for that. Run no hcg while on cycle, and then wait 4 days after your last test pin, and start the HCG. Use all of your HCG over the course of ten days, injected daily. After the HCG is gone, start the SERMS (Nolva or Clomid)
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mchilds User profile

No do either or. During cycle at a low dose (250 twice weekly) or at the tail end of your cycle in a “bolus” type regimen. I take during cycle.
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anon5_uk User profile Expert

Take hCG in last 6 weeks of your cycle, do not include it in your PCT – stop hCG, last injection should be 3-4 days before the start of your PCT. I also wouldn`t start running hCG at the very start of cycle, that`s why I recommend doing it only on the last part/half of your cycle.
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John B. Jones User profile

You can take it during the cycle. Testicles are like diesel engines, its much easier to keep them on than to turn them off and on.
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N88 User profile

You dont have to run during the cycle but many do. I prefer the tail end then up until PCT starts. That pct stack on here will work fine too
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Back with follow up question on taking PCT stack to kick start natural production. I was considering running a cycle since I have no baseline (as of now, but am scheduling at Men`s Health Clinic for next week). If I have a baseline and things have shut down, will it matter to run a cycle (or 2) and then attempt pct again? ORAm i better off getting blood done n simply following doc`s orders. . . kinda hoping for trt! 🙂
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mchilds User profile

If you are looking to ensure your T levels are low I wouldn’t run a cycle and crash. You might end up hurting yourself more. What some people do is take black licorice root tea and flaxseed and certain nuts like almonds for a couple weeks and that will drop your levels low enough to ensure trt qualification. Also, you can take the blood test later in the day. Then once on trt you can blast and cruise as most of us do indefinitely. I’m not sure if that’s answers your question but there are plenty of clinics who will qualify you even at a 500 with symptomology.
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ROBERT User profile

Like mentioned, run a testosterone Propinate cycle heavy, come off no PCT, wait 2 weeks then get bloodwork from the doctor. Your levels should be low enough to proceed.
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Nathan Cotant User profile

I have a TRT Doc that does everything through the mail and he will prescribe if you have symptoms of low T, even if your T isn’t technically low. I am prescribed 300mg a week. .. yeah 300! I take 250 and stash 50 a week for my next blast. 250 is still really high, but that’s where I feel the best and my levels are at about 1200 or so with that dose. My Dr. used to compete in bodybuilding shows back in the day, so he knows what’s up. Not sure if you can message me or not, but if you can, message me and I can give you some info.
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J.P. User profile Expert

For now patience is your friend. If you`re scheduled to be evaluated by a physician then don`t start anything until you`ve had labs done. If you want the best care you can receive you`ll need to be the best patient you can be. A big part of that is letting your doctor do the work they are being paid for. Anything you take will do nothing but provide a false positive. Any doctor you see who knows his or her shit will know you took something even if you don`t disclose. If you have started something and tell your doctor, they may work with you, but they could also tell you to come back when you`re off. In the end, following the doctor`s orders or not, it will be in your best interest to know what your true levels are. So again, stay off until after you`ve been seen and your lab work has been evaluated
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Jaris User profile

Yeah i recommend you to do same thing as other guys said. Good luck with your journey
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anon5_uk User profile Expert

If you are in need of TRT, if you are actually naturally supressed to that extend that your doc recommends TRT for life, then you should forget about PCT. I am not sure why you are rooting for TRT, since it will now be for life. You should follow your doctor`s orders
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Can this stack be run in attempts to help increase natural test production even if not immediately following a cycle? I did not get blood work done pre or post cycle. Function is there, balls returned to size, but everything not like it used to be pre-cycle. On cycle, everything functioned and mood was great. Post cycle and pct, mood never quite returned and having hard time getting/keeping erection now. I ran PCT after using the Basic Lean Mass Strength stack. I used PCT of clomid and nolva both starting higher dosage for 2 weeks and then tapering down for 4 weeks. I did not get pct from naps but from a local source. This was a little over 6 months ago. Is it too late or recommended next steps for me?
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GainsVille_85 User profile

Nothing wrong with trying a stand alone PCT, especially since it sounds like your natural test didn’t recover very well. This time get bloodwork before and after to see if the PCT protocol was effective.
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Socaljuicer User profile Expert

Rather than just taking shots in the dark, it`s definately time to get bloodwork and diagnose exactly what is out of normal range. Running another PCT might be helpful, but could make diagnosing the issue more difficult, and prolong the inevitable. You might want to consider enlisting the help of a doctor (endo), or at the very least find some internet forums that specialize in TRT testosterone therapy. Since a normal PCT did not work and significant time has passed, you likely will need the help of experts.
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RJB User profile

As stated Pct not a bad idea, but get your bloodwork done to be sure were you are at. Get to you r Dr and have the test run to be sure and then take proper action.
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ogone User profile

Like the others here I`d recommend the doctors help and bloodwork. If you`re going to try a standalone PCT you should get more advanced. Try employing HCG and even the SARM Ostarine to help boost your natural test sensitivity. My standard PCT always includes those 4 elements. But truly man, get the docs involved. The right endocrinologist will help you fix yourself, maybe look for a wellness clinic in your area that specializes in hormone therapy. Just Google it, they are easy to find in the US. Also be prepared for the very likely possibility that you messed your natural process up and you`ll probably have to do trt to be normal going forward. Don`t stress it though, we`ll all be that way eventually. TRT is just retirement for bodybuilders!
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anon5_uk User profile Expert

It`s never too late. First, go get blood work done. Do another round of PCT, Nolvadex and Clomid only. No AI and no hCG, hCG doesn`t belong into PCT. I would suggest you buy from Naps pharma grade Nolvadex and Clomid, this way you will know for sure that you are taking the right stuff. Do a nice 6 week PCT, for 6 weeks just like you did before, although drop Clomid a couple of weeks before the end, and just finish the PCT with Nolvadex. As for your mood not being same as a on cycle. . . that is completely expected. As long as your mood is same as before the cycle, you are good. In regards to erections, mental part of it plays a huge role, believe me, I most definitely know. Perhaps raise your self-confidence by buying some Cialis and then weening yourself off of it. As long as blood work shows normal, it`s most likely mental.
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Micheal Ervin User profile

As stated previously go get your bloodwork, everyone is different and responds differently I know for me I ran 3 cycles successfully recovered then ran a 4th and had to go on trt afterwards because of full blown shutdown, I’d recommend grabbing some hcg and blasting 500iu every 5 days for a few weeks to see if you start feeling normalize again but I’d definitely go get tested and go see an Endo
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Is this hcg already mixed?
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Micheal Ervin User profile

I don’t believe this hcg will be premixed the best premix is bharat serums hcg
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Mike Jones User profile Expert

With this stack I don’t think the hcg will be premixed you will proably need bac water if no solution is provided, I agree with Micheal bharat hcg is the best premixed that you can find
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RJB User profile

You will need BAC water which is easily gotten and insulin pins for injection Sub.
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evan johnson User profile Expert

No you will need to purchase bacteriostatic water which is legal and can be bought at many online retailers.
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Matthew User profile

No. You will need to mix it with bacteriotatic water. You can find some by simply googling buy bacteriostatic water online and finding one of the sites that seem to be safe. The product is legal so no need to worry about that. Then I would buy insulin pins which are usually 1cc, 29 gague pins and dilute the 10,000 ounce mixture with 1 ml of bac water. Then for every one unit on your insulin syringe, this will then equate to 1,000iu if hcg.
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TKel9 User profile

HCG Needs to be refrigerated and cant be out of the refrigerator for more then 12 hours so i dont think they can ship it mixed.
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There seems to be a lot of varying answers here an online about how to run the PCT. Do I have this right?Running the basic starters mass stack Test E/ Deca/ T-bolWeeks 5-10 of cycle: 500icu HCG per week (250icu twice a week)1 week after last pin (for 5 week)s: 40mg Nolva per day, 100mg clomid per day, 1mg Anastrazole per day
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Phillip User profile

Anast (Arimidex) is more used as an AI during cycle, thats not standard to use during a PCT, and even still 1mg is a SUPER high dose per day unless youre running a lot of gear that converts to estrogen. . which I would say start at 0. 5mg EOD and up it if you`re developing sides still. . I would say your HCG on cycle is perfect. . clomid is good and nolva is fine. Other than that I would say you have it set up well boss! Just move that Arimidex to “during cycle” and not “post cycle”
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Gregarious User profile

That is set up well. Run with it just like you had explained. Good planning bro!!
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Childsm11 User profile

No don’t use Anastrozole in PCT. use 0. 25-0. 5mg EOD or every 3rd day on cycle. Then starting 1week post last injection I do Nolva 40 per day for 2 weeks then 20mg per day for 2 weeks. I also pair Clomid along with the Nolva at 75-100mg every day for 2 weeks and then drop that to 50mg a day even down to 25 depending on how much I have on hand. Never had an issue with this protocol. As Phillip said I always use 250iu HCG 1-2 x week and run until about 2 weeks post last injection but could be run the full 4 week PCT along with Clomid and Nolva. I don’t plan on having anymore kids btw.
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JRP User profile

Horrible stack, get rid of the bro science, because tamoxifen(nolvadex) and anastrozole(arimidex) inactivate each other. So not only are you wasting money, but each of them come with some nasty possible side effects.
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SocalJuicer User profile Expert

You are going to hear different answers, many of which are based on old and outdated broscience protocols from yesteryears. .. Do NOT run the AI during PCT. Run Nolva only at 40mg per day for weeks 1-2, 20mg per day for weeks 3-4 (5 weeks if you have extra). No need to run both Clomid and Nolva together, no need for arimidex in PCT.
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Muscle Pup User profile

My understanding has been not to run nolva after a deca cycle because it can increase your progesterone. If you get gyno from progesterone you’d need cabaser to help you out.
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I am starting my first cycle in about 4 weeks. I am running Test – Cyp at 400mg per week for 10 weeks. Is this PCT stack too much for this light of a cycle or is it ok? I have been told that I might not need this much while only running 400mg a week of test. I am 42 years old and have been working out for about 6 months this time. I have been physically fit my whole life. Any help would be appreciated, Thanks.
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D-man User profile Expert

You would probably be ok with just the Nolva, Clomid, and of course the AI. Some would even say just do the Nolva. But this is a pretty good pre-designed stack at a good price. It`s not going to hurt to play it safe. Why cheap out on your PCT? You want to do everything thing you can to keep those hard eaned gains.
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big baby bear User profile Expert

The Basic PCT Stack is a good “all arounder” and should bring you back up to speed after your cycle. It becomes harder to reestablish the HPTA as we age so youll probably want to do the full stack just to be sure. Definitely get a pre-cycle hormonal panel to get your baseline and know exactly what your shooting for postcycle. After you do the PCT get another hormonal panel to make sure everything is back in order. Lots of guys over 40 find out theyre candidates for TRT even though they arent symptomatic so that pre-cycle panel is essential and may help you make better informed medical choices down the line.
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N88 User profile

What was your starting test levels? for a mini cycle like you`re doing 20/50 nolva/clomid for 3 weeks should bounce you back; running HCG also doesnt hurt. your PCT protocol should be based on where you were and what it takes to get you back there. The only way to truly know is before and after tests
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Vincent Valentine User profile Expert

Any AAS cycle, regardless of the duration, should end in a PCT. So even if you’re just running testosterone cyp for 10 weeks (which is a fantastic first cycle, I might add) it’s crucial to follow it up with a PCT stack like this one. This is due to how roids suppress the body’s natural production of testosterone while you’re taking them. In order to help kickstart the body’s ability to produce testosterone post-cycle, a combination of SERMs (selective estrogenic receptor modulators) and HCG are often used to mitigate the harm of excessive estrogen buildup and jumpstart the testicles. AIs (like the anastrozole in this PCT stack) are typically used during a cycle of roids to reduce the buildup of estrogen in the body, but can also be used during a PCT if estrogenic side effects aren’t being managed by the SERMs. The only thing I might modify about this PCT is the amount of HCG to take. Multiple studies have shown that taking doses as low as 800ius can desensitize leydig cells, which is bad news, so I’d recommend taking at most 500ius of HCG per dose.
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nickname_537 User profile

Only time pct is not needed is if you`re on trt. Or if you blast and cruise. Some prefer blast and cruise because it avoids the hormonal roller-coaster of on and off cycles with pct and is beneficial over pct for keeping gains. Cruise is like 300mg test/wk but no more to maintain. Don`t go under 200mg/wk either. Clomid is fine if not blasting and cruising.
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Swoll,onthe,low User profile

This is be a perfect pct to run just to be safe and take care of your natty test.yes this is perfect.have a good first cycle all looks good bro
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What size needle would be needed for HCG injection?
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TravisBrah User profile

For HCG you can use an insulin syringe/needle. I have injected HCG (TRT/HRT) via a .5ml 29 gauge insulin needle just fine. I have also used 30 gauge needles just fine as well.
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Mike Jones User profile Expert

I personally use 31g BD insulin needles, for hcg and trt injections, there’s almost no pinch during injections
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Lav3ga User profile Expert

Assuming your going sub q any insulin pin works. I like a 100iu 31 g rig. If you are still on cycle tho you can just add the HCG to your intra muscular shots for convience, just make sure you use a diluted concentration so you can accurately dose it in the larger syringe.
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SocalJuicer User profile Expert

Virtually any insulin needle will do the trick as HCG gets injected subcutaneously, and as previously stated you can just add to your regular cycle shot via backloading and inject intramuscular.
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big baby bear User profile Expert

If youre going to inject subcutaneously then an insulin needle is perfect, if youre going to inject IM then just use whatever gauge youve been using during your cycle, both will work.
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Purchased this pct stack and I was wondering since i’m taking test prop and win but added longer esters such as Mast and Primo in the middle to end of my cycle would I start pct after my last injection or wait a week to start this stack due to the masterin and primobolan?
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Lav3ga User profile Expert

Yeah. You need to run the test prop out longer than then mast if it a longer ester. You need prop a minimum of 10 days after your last shot of primo and mast so they have time to clear. Start PCT 3 days after last prop shot. If your going to kickstart with HCG use it for the ten days before SERMS start at 1000 iu.
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evan johnson User profile Expert

You should start 7-10 days after your last injection to wait for the long acting esters to fully clear your system.
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T-dog User profile

Yeah i’d be worried about having low test levels if you cut off Test P before the Primo and Mast have gotten out of your system. If you’re not dropping the Test P then continue it 7-10 days after the last pin of the longer estersthen follow with good PCT.
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Mike Jones User profile Expert

I agree with almost all that was stated run the prop out for 10More days with the mast and primo then start the serms 3 days after your last prop shot. However i would start the hcg immediately for however long you have left at 250iu twice a week until the beginning of the serms. It has been shown quite extensively that anything over 500iu of hcg actually causes the lydig cells to lose sensitivity and not respond as well. But if you only have a few weeks I would run the 250iu twice a week until you have 1week before pct and then run 500 iu twice then start the serms.
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SocalJuicer User profile Expert

You will need to run the test prop at least 10 days longer than the long ester compound (primo and Mast), then you can start PCT 3-5 days after your last test prop shot. I too have heard a lot of research to indicate that anything over 500iu of HCG desensitizes the lydig cells and hampers recovery.
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Vincent Valentine User profile Expert

Due to the difference in esters between masteron/primo and your testosterone propionate, you`ll need to continue to run your test prop after you stop taking masteron and primo for around 10-12 days. This grace period of continued test prop use ensures that while the masteron and primo are clearing from your system your body still has a supply of testosterone to maintain normal functions. After this 10-12 day period has ended, cease your test prop use, wait 3 days, and then begin your PCT regimen. As others have pointed out, HCG run in high doses can reduce Leydig cell sensitivity and even damage them, impairing the body`s ability to produce natural testosterone. This desensitization has been shown to occur in doses ranging as low as 800-1200ius, so keeping your doses at or below 500ius is recommended.
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Im currently on the “Basic Starters Mass Stack” and was considering starting the HCG in my 5th or 6th week.Should I use an insulin needle and inject the HCG subcutaneously or should I just use a 1inch needle and shoot it into muscle? Sorry Im still a newb so Im looking for guidance.
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SocalJuicer User profile Expert

Why are you starting your HCG in week 5-6? HCG should be run at 500iu per week (split into two 250iu shots 3.5 days apart) from week 1 through the end of your cycle, but not into PCT. HCG is injected subcutaneously with an insulin needle, typically in the belly about 1-2 inches from the belly button.
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Chip User profile Expert

Opinions vary, personally I`d go with the 1″ needle and go right into the muscle where the capillaries and blood vessels can uptake the HCG directly and get it into your bloodstream and deliver it right to your testes. Some might recommend sub-q but you`re far more likely to get a lingering lump or even a sterile abscess.
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Mike Jones User profile Expert

The reason to start week 5-6 is because it’s gonna take 8 full weeks for the HTPA to shut down but it could be started from week 1 and will be about 6000 iu used until the start of pct, most refer to The testes or the HTPA as Diesel engines, it’s easier to keep them going then to have to restart them. And hcg should be injected subconsciously around the belly button area, some swear by doing Im hcg injections but since hcg is very legal and has been tested extensively, science has found no benefits to doing intramuscularly over sub with an insulin needle
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What happens if you take HGC during your 13 week cycle is it helpful or harmful to the program and results?
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Mike Jones User profile Expert

There are many pct protocols, but from personal experience I actually found that running my hcg from the middle of my cycle at 250iu twice a week made my recover much quicker than waiting till after cycle.
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J.P. User profile Expert

HCG is definitely helpful. There`s plenty of research to support its use. However, it can jack up your estrogen levels if not used properly and thus hinder your progress. That said, there are endless theories and protocols on the use of HCG. My opinion? Use it for the last 4 to six weeks of a regular cycle at no more than 500iu per week. Personally I find that 250iu every 6th day works best. Once PCT is started though drop the HCG as it has been shown to contain suppressive effects on natural testosterone recovery and production.
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After doing 600mg sus 300 a week 12 wk total and 50mg var every day total 8 wks would this be enough pct to start a new cycle?
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Mike Jones User profile Expert

Well since you ran a 12 week cycle, after you complete this pct stack you should take at least a minimum of 12 weeks off, the whole point of pct is to restart your hpta after suppression, everyone is different so get your levels tested after that time off to see where your levels are, if you don’t want to wait to start another, bite the bullet and run trt and just “blast & cruise”
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T-dog User profile

Like Mike stated you really want to take the exact same time amount off as the length of the cycle was – for instance 10 weeks on 10 weeks off or 15 weeks on 15 weeks off, just to make sure that your HPTA can be restarted.
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N88 User profile

Please ensure you get bloods done a month after PCT to see where you are at. PCT will get you most of the way there but time off is needed to get back to 100%.
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nickname_537 User profile

Unless you blast and cruise you can do pct. Blast and cruise is when you do a heavier steroid cycle and follow up with a 200mg or no more than 300mg per week. This way you`ll avoid the roller-coaster effect of cycling on and off and it`s harsh on your body. Blast and cruise keeps more muscle from the last cycle. Regular pct doesn`t cut it as much. Just my 2 cents.
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Swoll,onthe,low User profile

Pct is required after all cycles if you want to keep gains and not harm body.napsgear has greAt deals on pct gear
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nickname_629 User profile

Yes, but you need to take at least 12 weeks off after you complete PCT to adequately recover and give your body a test.
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does hcg need to be stored in the refridgerstor?
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Jay_Ranell User profile

Yes, your Hcg should be stored in the refridgerstore. If not, the product will break down at room temperature in about 4week(depending on brand). However for all IM injection it’s highly recommended to injecte the product while its at room(your body temp) temperature for painless days after injection. The HCG injection is typically given subcutaneously, but against its is also a most for theses type of injection. Then if the solution is prepared and left out refridgerstore, keep it away from the sun. And more important, don’t do this process while having or living where extremly hot room temperature are reaching higher then your hcg brand could take. For exemple, if your room is at flat 27degree you just cannot store any brand, even a week.
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T-dog User profile

Yes you want to keep hCG in the refrigerator once it’s reconstituted otherwise it’ll break down over the course of a few weeks and not be effective, just like HGH
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N88 User profile

Yes definitely should be refrigerated. Some come premixed and at room temp or higher at arrival but after breaking the seal or when it arrives its a good idea to throw it in the fridge
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SocalJuicer User profile Expert

The HCG must be stored under refrigeration once reconstituted, but everything else can be stored at room temp, no advantage to refrigerating.
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Swoll,onthe,low User profile

Yes hcg must be stored in fridge once mixed.when in dry form it will be ok in dark room temp
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Edward Richardson User profile

Do test vials need to be refrigerated?