Do I NEED to run test with the tren, or can I run just straight tren, and how much should I inject at a time. This is my 4th cycle. but i had side effects with deca last time, and really want to try tren.
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crazy Dan User profile Expert
No you cannot pin tren without test friend! Tren will shut down your test production immediately and therefore you need to have test present in your body for homeostasis (regulate normal body function). Most importantly test is needed to make muscle, without test you can take as much tren as you want but in the end you won`t gain any muscle. And since you have sides with deca which is related to prolactin ot progesterone you will need to mitigate them with cabergolin. In your case it is imperative that you have all your ancellaries before you start! I would also advise you to pin tren Acetate instead of decanoate just in case you get bad sides and bad physiological response can stop or lower dose and symptoms will subsided. Tren A need to be pin eod so you pin lower dose per pin which in itself a way to control sides from tren. 50mg eod so that`s 175mg a week. you can increase to 75mg eod if sides doesn`t surfaced. Test 500mg a week split to 2 a week. Hope that makes sense brother! Good luck and don`t forget to vote.
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Blurryface User profile
Thanks Dan for the advice.. Very much appreciated.
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DrGray User profile
You absolutely need to run test with tren and at a higher dosage than the tren. Also, you had side effects with Deca and now you wanna try tren? Look I`m just going to say this, if Deca side effects are too much then tren should be off the table brother. Really do some research man cause tren is major leagues and it comes with major sides effects
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B-trained User profile
Everything is better with test my friend.
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Cyclone User profile Expert
If you had issues with Deca (a nandrolone derivative), you have a good chance of having issues with trenbolone, which is also a nandrolone derivative. I`m assuming you have cabergoline and an aromatase inhibitor on hand and ready to go? To answer your question, there are two schools of thought… Run tren high and test low (like 200mg), letting the stronger compound do the heavy lifting. OR run test higher than tren, presumably to avoid side effects like tren dick. Unfortunately there are way to many variable, and peoples bodies and reactions to compounds vary too greatly to predict the outcome of one strategy vs another. I would suggest getting on google and doing lot of research, as there are strong arguments to both approaches.
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JD Cycle User profile Expert
If you had issies with Deca, you`re likely to have more issues with Tren. You`d be better off rerunning deca at a lower dose and making sure you have caber. Tren is as harsh as it gets. It`s strong as fuck, but so are the sides. Insomnia, night sweats, irritability, etc. But you have to run test as your base with Tren or deca. You can run it low if you like, just have a shit ton of caber on hand and be prepared for the 19-nor sides
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Dr. Scott User profile Expert
There are lots of reasons to add testosterone to your cycle, but not a critical as people think. Bodybuilders are the only ones who “stack” testosterone based cycles. Most athletes want nothing to do with the bloat and size testosterone can bring. The early 70`s east german team did pretty well on TBOL alone, so did Jon Jones and Ben johnson on winny. His shoulders looked like cannon balls which was strange for a sprinter and what eventually got him busted. In fact anyone who has competed will tell you, i wanted nothing to do with test 6,10 or even 8 weeks before i would step on stage. I`ve run plenty of primo alone or parabolin cycles. And i still have never seen a package insert for any compound that says “must be used with testosterone”. But not to be a dick but that really takes a fair amount of expertise to run without test, diet and expectations needs to be changed as well as possibly PCT and other ancillaries. Probably not something you want to run into on your 4th cycle, again not being a dick it just takes time and understanding which you will acquire. And while i admire your gunslinger style i tend to agree with the others, if you had problems with deca there is a very good chance you will have the same or maybe worse issues with tren. Maybe try a nice test/EQ cycle maybe a dry oral to finish (or not) and you can thank me later. good luck bro
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A19 User profile Expert
Question. So it’s not necessary to run test as a base with all cycles? I thought the reason to run test was to stimulate test production since orals like Tbol or Dbol shit down your natural production. What happens to the body of you don’t run test?
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Dr. Scott User profile Expert
Well you know what else hinders your natural production of endogenous testosterone…testosterone. You may need to make adjustments on your PCT, but i never have had to. 24roids wasn`t always around and back in the day it was much easier to find vet based steroids like EQ and Winstrol V. So i ran many, relatively successful cycles with either of these-just out of necessity. If you read a meta study called “beyond testostosterone cypionate: Evidence behind the use of nandrolone in male health and wellness” (just do a google search) you will see lots of doctors are even calling for deca alone in TRT especially with guys prone to MPB or joint pain. That being said i always use a test base unless i have a good reason not to. it takes some thought and planning but absolutely can be done. This is one of those things that has been repeated so much that people assume its true. And really lots and lots of athletes like runners,swimmers or cyclists want nothing to do with testosterone and have been doing non test based cycles for decades. For our purposes (and why i don`t usually bother saying anything) and specifically for relative newcomers like blurryface not the best way to get size and strength but it is a way you just have to make the adjustments.
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Dr. Scott User profile Expert
and i just reread my answer. Sounds like i was being a smartass. really not my intention but i cant retype it sorry bro. I don`t know all of the pharmacokinetics behind it but i can tell you my experience. good question i hope i answered it.
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A19 User profile Expert
Didn’t come off like a smart ass at all. Lol! Thanks for the information. I appreciate it.
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Blurryface User profile
Thanks Doc. Appreciate it brother
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This may seem like a silly question but I just received my tren in the mail today. I am not sure how to use these viles. Also been trying to do some research but having a hard time figuring out how to incorporate this in my cycle. I am currently taking Test blend 350 .5 shots 3 times a week. Proviron 2x daily and Arimidex 1/2 pill daily. I am 1 week in on the cycle. What is the right dose to take and the best way to incorporate it into the cycle?
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Bob Johneser User profile
For the viles, I have BM deca, and snap off the top. Clean the vile with alcohol pad, then wrap the pad around the neck of the vile, hold the base firm, and push the top end forward. They snap pretty easily.
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Swoleville User profile Expert
I would first stop taking arimidex daily. Use it if you experience sides. As far as the tren you can inject 1ml in same needle as your test
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Mr and Mrs J User profile
I wrote a bunch and it deleted. Let me summarize. Youre too new to run tren. Sorry. Your arimadex dose is too high likes been said. However you`re gonna do it anyways so I suppose the best advice in taking it would be 150mg a week. But you need to pin tren acetate at keast eod. These are amps so you`d have to transfer to a vial at this dosage. If you don`t have a spare vial (I assume this is your first cycle) order a sterile one from Amazon. Should get a .22 micron syringe filter as well to filter out potential glass particles when transferring. Other option is 1 amp eod. This is 262.5mg a week. Pretty high for a new tren user.
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nickname_238 User profile
Just looking at your cycle and have a couple suggestions. The test looks good. You can do 75mgs of tren 3 times a week draw the test and tren into the same syringe, and inject. You are taking to much arimidex, on the days of your shots you can take .5 so three times a week. Don’t forget to vote click the up arrow by the comment. Thanks Take care.
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Patriot_1234 User profile Expert
With 50mgs of Proviron a day, you may have yourself covered for an AI right there (depending on genetics). As said, drop the daily anastrolzole for this light cycle. If you feel like your nipples are getting sensitive, Juno back on at .5mg twice a week and adjust from there. Good luck.
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nickname_311 User profile Expert
A state needs to be injected every single day you can mix the other with your test and everything like that but acetate every single day
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has anyone used BM tren a i see its back in stock along with a few of their other products any input on them would be appreciated
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Jason123 User profile
I loved their tren when I ran it, but I love most tren. It felt just like dragon and geneza to me.
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Patriot_1234 User profile Expert
I`ll say this, their Amps are really nice. Break very clean each time. I`m on their Test E right now and I like how I`m able to get dead nuts 1ml each time, it`s very consistent. I would buy with confidence, these guys are Indian GMP quality.
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evanjohnson347 User profile Expert
It is legit and high quality so long as you don`t mind ampules instead of a vial. I always opt for gear in vials.
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crazy Dan User profile Expert
I bought a bunch of BM sustanon. They are legit. I have mr great result. I stackedit with EQ for a 20 weeks cycle since i felt eason a good stretch! Threw in anavar 60mg a day for 8 weeks in my second half of cycle. Shop with confidence friend!! it`s gtg! Don`t forget to vote. And EQ500 too
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nickname_75 User profile
Order with confidence, I just made an order of 70 amps of test enanthate and I looking forward to try this brand. Looks g2g to me
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Swoleville User profile Expert
I hope its good cause I just ordered some. Seems like a good deal.
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Roid_Head User profile Expert
Their Tren A is my favorite. BM is very underrated, their deca and susta are pharmacy grade like.
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it has been 11 days since I ordered and paid. do you think it will ne much longer my friend, and I know they said give it 18 days but im tryin to get the show on the road draga is where orderd from if that helps with my question thank you
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Joeskee User profile
Did u get a tracking number yet? But don`t worry dragon and Geneza seems to be coming on time or a few days after that for me I do t speak for everyone else. But be patient and I know it`s hard cause summer is here and want to be in shape. Good luck.
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JamesEarl User profile Expert
11 days is a bit early for it to arrive. However if you didn`t get a tracking number and a message that it was shipped then you should make a ticket with 24roids. But it seems like you`ve gotten the tracking number so I`d definitely give it another 10 days to arrive. Even before the covid epedimic it generally took between 2 to 3 weeks for orders to arrive. I`d say it`s fine and it`s on its way.
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crazy Dan User profile Expert
I really hope you get your gear in 3-4 weeks like mines in March and April. But my recent order was in May which was marked “shipped” on 5/5. But last week it was marked “item is pre-ship” on 5/22 then on 5/26 it was marked “item is handed over in bulk” and today it`s marked “consignment received”. So i think i will receive my Dragon gear in 2-3 more weeks. I also read that some brothers received their gear at 70 days. Hope that help you plan your cycle. good luck! Don`t forget to vote.
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Jason123 User profile
Settle the fuck down! Don`t be nice to this guy. You should be banned by 24roids for being stupid. Has it even shipped? Did you get a tracking #? Your order has an expected delivery day count down before contacting 24roids Have you checked that? 24roids doesn`t need pains in the ass like you. This is illegal drugs you are ordering and it isn`t amazon.
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evanjohnson347 User profile Expert
Could be a few more weeks since it was from India. I only order from Europe and it always arrives within 3 weeks.
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JB205 User profile Expert
At this time do to the virus and shipping delays from other countries and even in the United states, you need to wait at least 45 days from the day your package was shipped before contacts 24roids and opening a ticket. Look man, it`s hard enough to get ANY gear online without being ripped off for hundreds of dollars, so be thankful that not only can 24roids provide you with gear without ripping you off, but you should really be patient and understanding with 24roids especially considering the virus is completely not their fault and out of their control but they have went beyond what they need to to help customers out and answer questions, NOT to mention the fact, you get your gear from a reliable source and it`s quality gear and not BUNK like many scam sites. Just be patient, you will get it.
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Wmg1969 User profile
My personal experience with shipping to the US. It will take 2 to 3 weeks to arrive in the states from the day you pay your order. Once it arrive in US territory customs is usually 3 days and another 3 to 5 days to destination. The longest I have waited for an order was 50 days during Xmas period. My recommendation to you and everyone is to stockpile when you can to avoid interrupting your cycles. Buy ahead of time. Or buy domestic it takes about a week to get to you. 11 days is too early to panic.
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nickname_457 User profile
I just received an order I placed March 3rd. Yep you read that right, March 3rd. I had a long ticket going with 24roids and had pretty much given up and was wondering what options I had (store credit etc)Then one day it finally updated then sat in customs for another 10 days (Chicago) so I thought maybe it got stopped.It just arrived Tuesday. I`m happy it showed up. So orders on here sometimes move quick, sometimes they don`t. Patience is a virtue no doubt about it.
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So tge order is for 10 ampules at 75 mg per ml. Is each amp 1 ml for a total of 750 mg?
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Big Dogg User profile
Yes. Each amp is 1ml. Each one has 75mg. One item is ten amps for 750mg. I love BM products. I use there sustanon all the time. The tren is good too.
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traianos123 User profile
Yes, each ampule is 75 mg, 10 amp got 750mg trenbolone, good luck man!
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EDubz User profile
Thats correct. Great price for a great product. Definetely worth it of you dont mind amps.
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patsalos mixalis User profile
Your math is correct friend take care and be safe
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Pincushion User profile
Yep, enough for a short finishing up cycle of tren to clean up your gains and lean/harden you the F up. Good luck brother.
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K-1 Math teacher User profile
75 mg for every 1 ml so 10 mL will be a total of 7,512mg,, your phone has a calculator
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Has anyone tried this exact product
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Swoleville User profile
I have not but I`m sure it`s legit if 24roids sells it
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TestLab User profile
I`ve been hearing that the company is straight. For my next purchase I will be trying them out due to the hype. But regardless like my friends say “IF ITS HERE IN 24roids, YOU WONT BE MAD 😉 Good luck and stay healthy!
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nickname_957 User profile
i have not yet, but i have heard this company is legit and also if 24roids sells it, it more than likely is real
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Scott User profile
24roids sells it, it’s legit. My only issue with the product is it’s amps and I hate amps.
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nickname_ User profile
Better tak product with more reviews
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Joe Hodgins User profile
I have not used their Tren but a buddy of mine did and he said it was good stuff. I have used their test e and sust and both were good to go. BM is a good company with great prices. I always purchase their sust and test e
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Why does Tren injection hurt so much?
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michael vanacore User profile
could be potent. could be an oil they suspend it in may irratate the area. could be numerous things. bad spot or didnt fully obsorb. try a difderent area and after a shower when your muscles are relaxed it may help.
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DRLSUPER87 User profile
Similar to what has been said, could be a number of different things. A few things to consider, if you haven`t already:is where you`re injecting a virgin muscle? (meaning this is the first cycle to inject there), if so that could cause issues;try warming the muscle as mentioned with the shower suggestion; try warming the oil to be injected, run vial under warm/hot water; inject slowly. Just a few suggestions that may help. Hope it improves for you!
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anonymous652 User profile
Based in my experienced I tried so many different tren out there…it could be numerous things bad gear, swollen internal muscle spot or didn’t fully absorb normally we called it as (Pimp) try to use 25g needles n make sure rotaten your injection sites
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evan johnson User profile Expert
It does not from my experience. You could be having a bad reaction to the oil in the product. I would recommend trying out a different tren brand here on 24roids.
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SocalJuicer User profile Expert
There is nothing exclusive to Trenbolone that would cause pain at the injection site. This could be a variety of factors such as allergy or sensitivity to the particular carrier oil, shooting too much volume / too many ML into a small muscle group, etc. I would suggest trying another shot deep into your glutes, and if you still notice pip, change brands.
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Muscles User profile
Honestly no injection ever hurts me. What I do is draw 3cc of gear into my syringe. Last time 150mg was trenbolone acetate, the other 1. 5 cc was testosterone. I then switch the thick 26 gauge needle with a 29 gauge or even 30 gauge insulin needle (you can buy them with a luer lock and easily attach them after screwing off the other needle). Just make sure your syringe has a luer lock on it (very, very common actually). Easy to purchase online. I use just a half inch long needle 29 or 30 gauge. I inject in my thighs because it`s a long muscle. Also my delts. Sometimes biceps, forearms, and triceps are fine too. Look at an anatomy chart by researching various injection sites. Believe me there is no pain if done like this. The needle is so thin and it takes a few minutes to inject it all because the oil flows so slow if you`re injecting all 3cc. For regular insulin syringe/needle because it`s only 1 cc it takes maybe a minute (I only inject 1cc in bis, tris, forearms, I forgot to mention calves too. Sure it takes longer but you develop no or much less scar tissue. Some claim a half inch needle is too short and the oil will not disburse. But I`ve been doing this for one year with no pain and no lumps or problems. Everyone is different so it may just be me that it`s working fine with. But give it a shot (no pun intended lol) why would you use such thick needles that are so long damaging your muscles and getting scar tissue? Try it and see how you like it. I also give a deep tissue massage for over a minute to the injected area right after the injection because this further alleviates pain the next day. Slower you push the plunger the less trauma you cause in the muscle and the less will be the pain. Try it. If you don`t like it then you`ll know. But I`m 99% sure you`ll like it. But remember everyone is different, so if any complications then go back to your old way. But even then pressing the plunger very slowly should alleviate some or most of the pain. Tren or any other injection never hurt me using my method. The most I`ll feel the next day is a minor pain if I touch the area and think about it, it`s nothing really and other times I feel zero pain just like nothing was injected. I hope you find this helpful.