I`ve been pinning on my ass always making sure I switch sides too. I know I`m doing it in the right spot too but this time was the first time blood squirted out. Could this be cause I pulled the needle out to fast or I shouldn`t really worry about it?
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Jogger User profile Expert
no worries hronit happened to me twice, probably nicked a capillary on the way out, take care
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Skinny boi User profile
I’ve had the same problem but in my quads the last 2 pins bled, but haven’t any swelling or redness so I assume it’s all good, I’m a newbie just trying to give peace of mind
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EDubz User profile
Sometimes it doesnt bleed at all sometimes you need to have alcohol swab ready to press against it to stop ot from bleeding. Just the name of the game nothing to worry about. I usually only have a little bit of blood come out but sometimes its a decent amount just hold alcohol swab on it like I mentioned until it stops no biggie.
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Cyclone User profile Expert
Not a big deal at all, happens to all of us at times and is inconsequential.
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POOKIE2 User profile
You knicked a cap or vessel….no big deal. It`ll happen regardless of the perfect technique and as long as you have no excessive pain after should not worry at all about it and is unavoidable. Good luck….stay swole!
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B29 User profile
Nope no pain at all
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Roid_Head User profile Expert
As longs as you aspirated syringe before injection and there was no blood you are fine. A drop of blood after pulling the syringe out happens from time to time and is no big deal.
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Uhoh38125 User profile
the blood squirt happened to me before with no problems…. also, dude told me on here to use that hip muscle on the side of hip, on top and i love it… less pip there than anywhere for me and it is really easy to get to…. i use it as much as glutes… look up “dorsogluteal injection”, rotate it in
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I`m getting some pretty bad Pip any suggestions besides warm the oiil I am using 18 to pull and 25 to inject slowly and massaging after any advice helpful also can`t find the full Ingrdients wondering what the alcohol% is or what kind of oil is being used thanks guys !
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Chayseboii User profile
I use 29g , 1/2 in , 1ml for everything . Yes it takes longer to draw but I’d rather not stab myself with 25’s any more . To lessen PIP don’t shoot more than .5ml in each area . Because I use a small length needle I only go in my Delt, Quad , and Lats. It reaches my muscle . If you’re not obese I would suggest this protocol to you. No more than 1/2ml in each spot! So just rotate . And get rid of that 25g and go 29g it’s way better
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nickname_238 User profile
I get some pip from different labs, so you gotta try a couple different ones and see how you feel. It is usually to much alcohol being put in the product, but I think it might be the carrier oil, that might be the difference. So you need to find out what carrier oil is in the product whether it’s Mct cotton seed or grape seed, some even use peanut oil, I haven’t got to sore or any abscess, but sometimes just pinning 1Ml in the glute of test e will be irritated for quite a few days. Just take your time injecting and sterilize the vile and the area well with alcohol and let it dry for a minute, and try not to move the needle around inside the area when pinning, the less trama usually the less pain. Take care.
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Joeskee User profile
The oil is to thick u have to take half cc and split it up during the week and u should be fine.
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crazy Dan User profile Expert
Your needle is correct! I would use a 25g 1.5″ on glute to go deeper so oil doesn`t deep back out. 1″ delts is fine. I think your pip comes from 400mg per ml. it`s concentrated than normal. I pin 400mg/ml and it give me pip for a day or two. Over many pins through out the weeks it goes away. i also sat on my pin site and roll it around. i pin 1.5ml stack it with EQ. Both are 400mg/ml. Another reason could be the angle you “stab” your muscle. It must be at 90 degree from pin to surface of muscle. Basically needle is perpendicular to skin surface. How much volume you are pin? You can also pin less volume but increase interval if your volume is too large. I have been pinning for 15 years so 1.5ml ain`t nothing! In short, try stabbing 90 degree, rubbing it out for 2-3 minutes, and rubbing the site out before and after pin. Your need is not the issue. Good luck buddy! Don`t forget to vote.
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jakewallace User profile
Try pantothenic acid. It`s vitamin B5 but make sure it`s in the form of pantothenic acid. It works wonders.
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EDubz User profile
Anytime I use a compound higher than 250mg per ML I get a little pip so it`s most likely because of the high concentration compound your using. When I run sustanon 250 no pip at all but the sust 350 I get pip. So it`s the concentration has alot to do with it. If it`s unbearable for you I would suggest using test 250mg per ML. Sounds like your doing everything else right. Good luck
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Cyclone User profile Expert
What CrazyDan said, its the high concentration of this compound that is causing you issues. Ive never personally done it, but Ive read that you can dilute the solution with sterile carrier oil (MCT, grapeseed oil, etc). You`ll have to go out on the internet and get more info, but that is definitely an option based on what I have heard over the last 5+ years in the game. If you found this helpful, please give us a +1. Thanks and best of luck!
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Westcoast User profile
All great info guys yeah I left out I`m using 1 inch pins and always new also doing the patho acid , magnesium, fish oil garlic oil , joint supplement and just finished Chloe for liver support I think I`ll try adding oil or using a lesser mg what kind of numbers of test E do you guys normally run ?
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Onyx User profile
what do you inject? In case you inject testosterone, deca or tren you can try to inject SubQ. I have tried this in my previous cycle and i experienced no pain. intramuscular injections always lead to some degree of PIP.
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What`s the best size syringe and needles to inject 400 Test E into the glut, delts? Is a 25 gage needle on a insulin syringe to small? I know I need atleast 1/2 inch but what about the gage? I`m only injecting. 5cc at a time. Thank you very much!
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EQhead User profile Expert
Draw out from vial with a 18 to 22G needle. Then change needle to 25G to inject. The smaller the gauge the harder it`ll be to push, but less PIP from needle. Typical 3ml syringe with leur lock will suffice.
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Patriot_1234 User profile Expert
I draw with a 22ga and then switch to a fresh 25ga in either 1″ or 1.5″. You might find pushing the 1.5″ gets more uncomfortable if you go too deep. If I had to just get all new needles, I`d get 1″ length.
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Coulomb User profile
Use a 22g instead. I initially started using a 25 g to inject test in same region too, and found it quite hard to release the oil. The 22g was a lot easier.
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Chayseboii User profile
I use 29guage , 1/2inch , 1ml insulin syringes for everything. I do not shoot in the glute because there’s too much fat . If I need to go glute I suggest 1.5inch in length what ever gauge you like . I only shoot in the delt, peck , trap , quads using my 29g , 1/2inch , 1ml syringe
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Branko User profile
25ga will work fine for pinning, might be a slow draw. I just buy .23ga 1″ to both draw and pin. Works for me. I pin delts and quads. A million ways to do it…I just go for simplicity. I use the same tip to pin that I draw with too. Out of a 12 week cycle like two or three times the needle dulls…Usually when using a fresh vial. You notice pretty much right away and just cuss and change the tip lol!
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Heavy Lifted 91 User profile
I would never use the same needle that I drew with to inject with. That’s like injections 101
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AnthonyChung User profile
Delt, thighs 25ga x 1″, glutes/ventrogluteal injections 25ga x 1.5″ gauge.
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Therapy78 User profile
Thanks alot everyone! I really appreciate it the input. I think I`ll go with 18g to draw and 23 or 25g 1 inch to pin. If I`m doing .5cc would you go with a 3cc syringe to draw and push easier or will a 1cc syringe work the same? Is there a difference? I like to get it done quickly and painless as possible.
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TR86 User profile
18 to draw. 25 to pin. 3cc syringe. Look at gpz med labs. Hopefully this helps buddy.
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TRTJunky User profile
After years of trial and error, my answer is to draw and inject with a 25 gauge 5/8″ needle (separate needles to draw and inject). For drawing, if you use an 18 gauge, it tears up the rubber stopper and bacteria can get inside. It takes a couple seconds longer to draw up with a 25 gauge, but it`s worth it. For injecting, a 25 gauge is small enough to have almost no pain, but big enough to be able to inject rather quickly; 1cc should take less than 10 seconds. 5/8″ gives much better depth than 1/2″ but isn`t nearly as intimidating as the 1″ and as long as you`re somewhat lean, should be enough for the glute.
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I was thinking to take test e 400mg with tren e 100 mg a week for 10 weeks. What do you guys think is a good cycle? Any recommendations ?
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Clay User profile
100mg of tren is a small dose. If you wanna go easy then maybe start with 100mg, and bump it up to 200mg after a couple of weeks if that approach makes you feel better. 200mg is a good but low dose to start off on I think. Good luck.
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Patriot_1234 User profile Expert
I agree with clay. The Test level seems fine for a first cycle but the Tren level is low for an effective weekly dosage IMO. That said, what`s your cycle history, stats, goals? Reply to keep the conversation going, great resources on this site.
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JD Cycle User profile Expert
It helps to know prior cycle history, but at that 100mg a week is pretty low. If you are experienced, then feel free to mess with Tren. If you`re a beginner, stick with just Test and maybe an Oral kick starter like dbol, adrol, tbol. Even if moderately experience, I still wouldn`t recommend Tren. But if you do elect to do Tren anyways, I would at minimum run 200mg Tren E. Also, make sure you pick up enough 0.5mg Caber to take twice a week for the whole cycle to prevent prolactin issues. The caber will be on top of the AI like aro or arimidex. Try to remember, nothing is stronger tha. Tren, so if you`re new, what do you take when Tren doesn`t work the same? You can`t go stronger.
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Patriot_1234 User profile Expert
Just piggy backing of JD’s comment – that’s the point when guys say take it easy. Burning out your receptors to quickly leaves no where to go. My first Tren cycle was the best one I’ve ever done. I’ve never gotten a repeat even when I increased the dosages later down the road. Good point JD.
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Joeskee User profile
That`s a low dose I would rather u go with tren aceate cause u see after results and if u have any side u can stop it but with Enanthate u have to wait long to clear ur system acetate is a safe choice in my opinion
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nickname_21 User profile Expert
Personal opinion, I would lower the test to 200mg per week. Then I would up the tren to 300 per week. Tren is 5 times stronger then test. So you shouldn`t run test higher let the tren shine less water more lean gains. 10 weeks for the tren. This is my preference
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MaximusXXIX User profile
I assume this isn`t your first time taking steroids. If it is, fear not. This is an opportunity to test how certain stuff at certain quantities reacts in your body. Also how much (and at what quantity) things like AIs etc. helps in countering the side effects. Basically it`s an opportunity for you to test your tolerance and effectivity of the compounds you are taking, aas or anciliaries.Test is at right dosage. Up the Tren to 250. Keep some Aromasin, Caber, Proviron, Finasteride, Tudca and MAYBE some Cialis in hand. Tren is notoroius for inducing insomnia. And if you don`t sleep properly, you will not get any good result at all. So keep some sleep meds handy. Do regular bloodwork. 3 at the very least- One before you start, another one in the middle of your cycle and one post. I personally don`t think Tren is a good stuff to bulk. Too many sides. But hey, if you can handle those sides, who am I to force my views on you? Remember, bloodwork is important. Extremely important.
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Hey, I`m going to start my second cycle of test 400 how much cc should I take and do I have to take anything else while on it
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nickname_21 User profile Expert
Take test 400 1 cc per week. You can pin a half cc twice a week for a total of 400mg per week. Test goes a long way even being your second cycle you will make gains on 400mg for a long time assuming your in a calorie surplus. Grab some arimadex just incase good luck
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JAMMIN978 User profile
I would run 400 mg per week. Half CC twice a week. Thats the best way to keep your blood levels even. Other wise you peak for 2 days then are on a low the rest of the week. If this is your second cycle you could always add something. Maybe 150mg of deca twice a week or some tren depending on the results you are looking for. I would at least keep arimidex on hand in case you start to feel any estrogen side effects. Good luck!
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Will User profile Expert
The answer to your question depends upon how must test you took during your first cycle. If you were getting good results, just up your cycle by 100mg. If not as much, increase your dosage by 200mg for this cycle. So I cannot give you an exact dose but slightly increasing from your first cycle will increase your results.
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Barry Gibson User profile
This vial is 400mg per cc. A cc is the same as an ml. So it`s 400mg per ml the same thing. Take one.
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jason User profile
I can`t believe this is your second cycle and it sounds like you know nothing. Why not do some damn research before buying drugs online.
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POOKIE User profile
How much did you take your first cycle? If you had a successful first cycle you can run another round of it at the same dose or bump it up a little. So for example if you took 300 mgs the first cycle you could take 500 the next. You`ll need an AI to balance your estrogen hormone while on. Good luck
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Patriot User profile Expert
If I were to do anything different when I started this stuff when I was younger, I would have ran less gear. Use the minimum effective dosage until your body gets to the point where it`s not enough, rather than just “upping the dosage” just because you have one more notch in your belt. I would run 400mgs a week split up however you want and just keep going. Run .25mgs anastrolzole twice a week on your shot days. Less is more – Good luck.
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Matt Beard User profile
I would up the test from your first cycle a bit or even keep the same if you got good results and add in something like proviron. 50mg a day seems to be the spot. Then maybe add another compound like deca or dbol on your third cycle. Keep it simple.
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I have already ran one cycle of 500mg test per week for 12 weeks. Im currently doing pct but want to order my next cycle soon. Want to get some advice before spending a ton of money. Im thinking about doing the following for my 2nd cycle. Please let me know what you think. Test 400 1.2 ml per week for 600mg per week Deca 500 .5ml per week D-bol 25 2X per day for 50mg a day .5 arimidex eod clomid 100/100/50/50 nolva 40/40/20/20 Thankyou in advance.
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Will User profile Expert
Your just finishing your first cycle. Ease the gas peddle a bit. So far you only took a moderate dose of test. 500mg imo is high for a first cycle, but you can work with that still. Your first 2 cycles should only be test so your body gets used to it since it`s the base of every cycle. Then add compounds one by one in future cycles so you see how your body reacts. I`d recommend your second cycle being only Test at 600-700mg. Make as much progress as you can before adding in new compounds. It ensures you`ll make progress longer and don`t get stuck in a bad position of high doses and lots of some effects in the shorter term future. Take it slow, this isn`t a race to get to a big cycle. You`re still a beginner to gear, meaning you can make a lot of progress off a little.
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Big Jake User profile
It seems ambitious for a second cycle. Going past 500mg of test might give you diminished returns so early. stacking it with dbol in the beginning is popular but remember dbol aromatizes, taking more test with it – you`re gonna have to pay close attention to your estrogen level. I`d just run 500 test again with some deca this time. you might even start off with a little less deca than 500mg but that`s up to you. Nothing wrong with taking enough for it to work. Beware of prolactin sides, keep some caber handy. If you can`t get it up, pop a half of one. Had it happen to me recently, thankfully I caught it quickly. Just be careful with the dbol and higher test dose early, you`ll probably need an AI a lot faster like that. It`s your body though – it`s nothing too crazy, just be prepared and make the most of it.
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crazy Dan User profile Expert
Take it easy buddy!! Go on another test only cycle at 600mg per week. Fine out how you are responding to test without taking arimidex. Since you are taking arimidex while cycling you don`t know you need it or sensitive to estrogen conversion. Take arimidex as needed. If you really want to jump in to stack, maybe take 50mg dbol a day for 5 weeks to kick start your second cycle. I would not add deca yet! Deca has sides like prolactin so you need to dial that in if you need to take cadergolin as well as arimidex. Deal with one side at a time until you know how you respond to each gear. So in you 3rd or 4th cycle add deca. Have caber in hand. Start with testE 500mg per week and deca at 300mg a week. You can go up once you sense you are not experiencing any deca sides. Your pct above is good! good luck and be patience!
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Not pertinent to this brand. I`m taking about 750mg test weekly, a combination of esters. I not once in years got gyno, or ankle swelling or anything. Is my testosterone bunk? Am I just not suscipteble to side effects? Once for 8 months straight I used like 500mg tren, I bought 15 vials of biomex for $760 or such on discount. So 500mg tren ace per week with 750mg test per week, plus 400mg deca at a certain 2 month period on top, plus 600mg eq for 5 months out of the 8 months and a total of 50mg dbol daily for 6 weeks in that period and zero gyno zero swelling anywhere. Is it underdosed? Is it bunk? Am I not prone to these sides? Are others not prone? I`m confused. Please help.
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Juice24roids User profile Expert
Hey Barry, I would not conclude my gear is bunk or under-dosed just because I don`t get gyno or swelling. As you know everyone reacts differently to these compounds. It does sound like you are not susceptible to certain SE`s which is a great thing! Most would be grateful to not have SE`s — good genes. You can always get your gear tested and do blood work to confirm the legitimacy. Thanks for the question
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nickname_21 User profile Expert
Thays slot of gear did you at least have some gains. Not everybody gets sides. Some will get gyno symptoms off 200mg test per week. Others can run a gram it`s all about hob your body reacts. Like the pros I can run the same gear cycles as mr olympia but in 5 years I still wont even be close I just dont react as well as some people . So I dont thinking was bunk but the only real way to tell is get blood work before during after cycl or test the gear
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JMann User profile
You shouldnt go by weither you get bad side effects on gear, to judge if it’s good or not. Everyone is different when it comes to side effects, I’m not prone to bad acne, gyno or hair loss, but my brother is prone to acne and hair loss, so it all comes down to genetics. Im happy to get the positive effects like putting on decent size and being pretty strong. Your gear is not bunk, 24roids would not stock crap, you would hear about it. I’m assuming you put size on and gained strength, you didn’t mention any of the positives effects you had taking that amount of gear. So be happy you don’t have a ton of bad sides.
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Skuchie(2) User profile
I literally know an NPC Body Building Pro who at 240lbs stage weight doesn`t use those redic levels. So considering you`re not dead, or in kidney failure and on dialysis, I think you might be a superhero. And that`s why you don`t get any side effects.
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evan johnson User profile Expert
I`m sure that if what you purchased was on 24roids then it was not bunk man. Sides can vary a lot by person as well as by steroid and the carrier oil the the manufacturer chooses to use. Hopefully you will not have such bad look in the future but may want to consider a different brand for now.
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jason User profile
Best way you should have been able to tell if your shit was bunk is if you got no gains. Estrogen sides are different for everyone. I just ran test at 1250mg a week for 12 weeks and took zero ai`s. My body weight got up to 302, so I`m pretty sure the gear was good.
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novadesert007 User profile
Everyone is different when coming to sides. Estrogen and prolactin build-up will be there for sure. Is it underdose I don`t think it is. I`ve tried all the brands from 24roids and I always get good results. You are just not prone to sides that is all. Getting some coming as well
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If injecting into the delt would I be able to get by with a 5/8″ inch needle?
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Dromeo User profile
Absolutely you can use a 5/8″ needle to inject into your delt.
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Stephen Jefferson User profile
You could it would be slower but it can be done
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BowlofOats User profile
I highly recommend using insulin needles to pin! i think that would be the best option 4 u
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Big Dogg User profile
You could use a 1/2″ in the delts. Tou can pin quads and ventro glutes with a 5/8″ too if you`re not too overweight.
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Drew User profile
You could You would be a lot better off using a half inch needle to get further into the muscle
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nickname_464 User profile
Yes you can as long as your pretty lean. Personally that`s what I like to use on my delts. Best of luck mate.
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First timer here — do you have to take anything WITH this during the cycle? Or does Novaldex or Clomid come only after a cycle?Would a good first cycle be 10-12 weeks of ONLY Test E, twice a week, then Novaldex after for another 10-12 weeks?Can I just stop after that and not take anything for a while?Thanks, everyone!
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nickname_311 User profile Expert
Arimidex during cycle half tab every other day. After nolvadex, clomid and hcg
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BigOlRed User profile
If it`s your first cycle I wouldn`t it`s not necessary just don`t take too much stick with about 200 or 400 a week
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Big Dogg User profile
10 – 12 weeks is good. I`d recommend 12. 2 weeks after your last injection start the PCT. I would recommend nolva and clomid but either one will work. I just like to get my levels back up as quickly as possible. You should have an AI on hand if you need it. Exemastane or Arimidex. Dont just that test product. At 400mg/ml you wont do a second shot. If you pin that onto virgin muscle you will have so much PIP you will never want to pin again. Get standard test E 250mg/ml. Do 1 ml 2x/week.
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Dan User profile Expert
First cycle testE only is perfect. This give yo a taste and feel of aas. It also allow you to figure out how sensitive you are with test. Pin half a ml/ 0.5mL since it`s a 400mg/ml testE vial. Pin twice a week. This will give you 400mg a week. That`s a perfect dose for now. Go 12 weeks cycle. On week 14 start your pct which is Nolva 40/40/20/20 and Clomid 100/100/50/50 for 4 weeks. You can stop and never do test again but I doubt that you will stop. Aas makes you feel incredible. Strong. Confidence. And all around sense of well-being.
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Starter kit User profile Expert
Always start low and increase as needed. 200mg per week is a good starting point.
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JMann User profile
Yes nolva or clomid after your cycle for pct, but only 4-5 weeks. Everything else looks good. Have an anti estrogen on hand, just in case you get any side effects like sensitive nipples, water retention etc. you might not need it, so dont just start taking another drug for the hell of it.
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Is it normal to have a lump for a couple of days after you inject your dose?
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bob User profile
does it hurt bro a small lump could be a small clot or nothing at all keep an eye on it it should pass
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skitt User profile
If can be a couple things that could have happen here.. If it hurts badly, could have inflamed something. Nicked a nerve.. Keep an eye on it to see if it swells up or causes a lot of pain, redness, but my guess is you probably injected to fast and the oil just balled up in the muscle and needs time to spread.. Next time, heat the oil up a little under warm water and when you inject go at a slow rate to give it time to slowly spread through out the muscle.. The heat from warming it up will help this out as it will thin the oil a bit making it easier to spread.. good luck
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JMann User profile
Could be a couple of things, if you did not inject deep enough into the muscle, the oil could be in more of the sub cue fat, try rubbing the area to disperse the oil. If you have any redness or severe pain to the touch keep an eye on it, if things get worse get it checked out. Always make sure you have a steril environment and use proper technique when you do your shots.
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RJB16 User profile
Does it hurt to touch, also does it look red or feel hot? If those are no then you should be good, I have never gotten a lump from Test e but that is a high dose per. I have gotten a lump that last about 5 day and went away.
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nickname_88 User profile
Something that used to happen to me here and there when I first started injecting into glutes… doesn`t happen much hardly at all anymore but can just be from fast injection to just needing to kneading the knot or lump out as soon as you inject.. mine are always smooth anymore but never the less as soon as I withdraw I always have a tissue in hand and just hold on spot of injection and knead the area for at least 30 seconds or tad longer just to help push and spread the oil around better.. plus there is sometimes a spot of blood, hence the tissue.. but massaging the area as soon as you`re done is always a good practice to help avoid lumps..
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Johnny Longsockz User profile
If i don`t rub mine in good after pinning I get a lump
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First cycle … Ok thanks for info.. so would that be 3 bottles ? And how much do you personally wait between cycles ? I seen different things here and there … and what do you continue to use between the use of testosterone break ? Is it mainly just to get natural testosterone back to normal for the break? It’s been a month since starting feeling Better Bigger and eating right added winy . And when do ya start your pcp Thanks
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seoulmates User profile
Use the pre-designed stacks 24roids has listed on here as a model for your first cycle. It is the best way to start. You can even buy the stack if you want or buy it all separately. You really need to invest in this don`t wait to order ancillaries. You need them at all times on hand.
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nickname_21 User profile Expert
Time on is supposed to equal time off so if you cycles for 3 months then you would take 3 months off amd every cycle you would run a little bit higher dosage or add another compound that`s why it`s best to start low in dosage so there s room to increase with out going crazy. After 2 weeks of last injection people use clomid and nolva for about 4 weeks you can search answers on here to get more details. The theory is to bring your natural test levels back up sonits bit shut down for an extended amount of time. But every time you cycle and everytime you pct your natural levels will never be what it was. Each time it will only come up75 to 90 percent and less each time. You`ll probably have to be on trt sooner or later
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Johnny Longsockz User profile
Nickname gave you all the info. But sounds like you didn`t research any before jumping into this.
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Lorddrip User profile
Time on is time off and yeah your pct varies some guys bounce back super fast and get those normal lvls back kinda fast it all depends at the end of the day yeah 2 vials a fairly low dose will take you to places you have not gonna and strength you have not felt ever and yeah evertually hrt trt happens with a ton of guys just remember that is a life move it`s not just a couple months like a cycle it`s a life altering thing good luck
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Pookie User profile
Minimum of 12 weeks off AFTER PCT…..if you do PCT. A safe plan would be two cycles a year. Also missed your age but if you are older and looking at TRT blasting and cruising is a good alternative to PCT.
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Jaris User profile
Yeah, i would suggest shorter esters like propionate, to know how your body reacts, but 12weeks minimum for enanthate.
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ISo how much of this would i use for a first cycle each pin and how many bottles ? For a good cycle .5 each pin ? Twice a week? Also how long between cycles ? And why ? And thanks. First cycle
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patsalos mixalis User profile
do around 350-400mg weekly split twice. so manday morning and thursday afternnon 0.5ml each time.
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mixalhs patsalos User profile
about 0.5ml every 3.5 days for steady blood level. have an ai on hand just in case sides appear, good luck
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PunchNpie User profile
For a first test only cycle I usually recommend 400mgs week. Since your concentration is 400mg per ml, just pin .5 ml om Monday morning and .5 on Thursday morning. That should be run for about 12 weeks. Would be a great first cycle. Don`t think you would have estrogen problems at that dosage but everyone is different. Keep some nolvadex on hand just in case any gyno flares up.
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JD Cycle User profile Expert
0.5 ml every 3.5 days. This will keep you steady. I prefer a Sat Morning/Tuesday night schedule due to work, but any 3.5 day split works. As far as between cycles, you want to be off cycle the same amount you were on cycle to give your receptors a break and chance to recover.
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Super Dad User profile
Test propionate 700 a week 1ml a day. Its cheaper in a 10 pack like GP 10x$200. With 20mg a day cut in half of Dbol 10mg moring and 10mg at 3pm. Lift like your sick of being normal! Eat like a horse and grow brother grow. Bulk up next is the cut but thats a QA of an other $2 day.
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Taylor User profile
I would stick with 400mg per week broken into two injections. Running this for 12 weeks should be fine.
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Who will vote for Testo400 as Product of the Week?
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Juice24roids User profile Expert
Hello “Mr. Scott” who definitely wasn`t PhD Me 3 minutes ago. I will not be voting for that but thanks for asking. I always vote for primo and it never wins. I can`t imagine how HCG wins — would love to know who voted for that. Thanks for the question.
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Smith441 User profile Expert
You can`t vote for para pharma. Alpha, gp, biomex, sis and dragon plus some pharma grade pct products are only eligible for product of the week if i remember correctly
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Metal Mike User profile
Cant vote para. I`ll differently be voting on some test though.
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Jasonz User profile
Not me. There is so much cheap test here on 24roids why would you. I`m with juice24roids I`ll be voting primo for sure.
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skitt User profile
Hey Juice whats up buddy?? I did not vote for the HCG lol all though I can see how it could be beneficial but so many better things to vote on to get at a better and cheaper value… Hey, I also wanted to say thank you for the pep talk in response to my heart rate question.. That meant a lot and I appreciate it.. I know what the problem was and It was my own dumb thinking that put myself in the mess but just to let you know it`s been a few days now with out the Cialis and things have gone back to normal… Wifes not freaking out about my heart trying to jump out of my chest lol again I knew that is what it was but I didn`t think of the build up that i would cause.. And of coarse last time I used the product I wasn`t on gear and had NO issues like that at all.. but again thanks man.. There are only a few guys I look to for advise rather they are Doctors or not and you are one of them.. besides in all honesty I know at times seeing a doc would be better but at times I don`t feel that it is if you already know what caused the issue and how to fix it, if that makes since.. Besides my Doc that I see regularly, Is dumber then a box of rocks when it comes to AAS and it`s affect and side affects.. lol Ha Ha I feel stupid now, just realized this was Mr. Scotts post.. Good name by the way.. Id be willing to vote for Testo 400 but is that even available for product of the week??
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Matthew User profile
Shoot!! I still want eq500 but I m down with 400mg of testE. I won`t vote for anything until the end of the week. I m definitely down with testE 400mg from Para!!
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How has seen a superior candidate for product of the week? Base testosterone makes up 70% of every weeks selections. Focus, test one week, speciality AS next week i.e. Primo 200. With Para Pharma experience I`m relativly confident of this product and 24roids being willing to deliver 5-10 bottles (unlike the 40 bottles of TriTest400 that never left the UK)
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nickname_666 User profile
Hard to tell what you are trying to say bro, but I too had a number of the SIS Tri-test product never arrive when I ordered them a few months ago for the POTW.
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Juice24roids User profile Expert
Hello, this para pharma product you linked to is not eligible for POTW. Only certain brands can be POTW. I`ve seen lots of people ask for Primo as POTW and it has never been successful but I agree it should be. Not entirely sure what else you mean here — maybe I`m missing a prior post of yours. Anyways thanks for the question.
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Jasonz User profile
Like the others I`m very confused at what you`re trying to say here however there is so much test cheap here on 24roids so not sure why anyone would vote for it. Surely it makes sense to vote for top shelf gear like primo etc to save more $.
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Matthew User profile
I`ve been trying to get EQ500 for POTW theses past 4 weeks. I also tried to organized a voting scheme where everyone can stock up on their fav gear. So I will vote with you if you have a plan. Reg gear and then specialty gear that we don`t often see. I m for it buddy!
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skitt User profile
Sorry buddy but Para Pharma can`t be product of the week… All though I would like it to sometime in the future maybe if 24roids allows it.. I am on a cycle of there products now and loving them.. I feel it a great lab to go with, good quality and affective.. Yeah seen Primo close a few times but doesn`t make it as I dont think to many people are interested in it as much as other..Im always good with the basics but would be nice to see a good rotation though.. Could use a good deal on some EQ good luck man
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BABA User profile
Like everyone else said. Try to type your question into google translate using your language next time as it might be easier to understand this way.
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What would be the best test be for bulk and what would be the best thing to stack it with I`m on my 5th cycle I tried superbol 400 this time with anavar but the night sweats are unbearable so I don`t wanna try pre mixed again after this cycle. My first 4 cycles were dust and deca 300 had better results with them thansuperbol any suggestions and doses would be great thanks.
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Gearpeace User profile Expert
Hey Glynn. Don`t know your dosages for mentioned cycle, but test enanthate 500mg/ week( 250mg every 3.5 days) and Anadrol 50mg/ day(25mg am, 25mg pm). Run test 12 weeks and Anadrol 4-6 weeks. Eat good and plenty ( no not the candy). Train hard, but don`t overtrain. Good luck
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JB205 User profile Expert
I had great results on DP sust 350 test and Dbol. I also had around the same results without water retention with the same test and DP cut mix150, but that has tren and definitely caused night sweats. Tbol is another good oral to stack and has less water retention
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Metal Mike User profile
I`ve been running 500mg/wk GP testcyp and 50mg ED of anadrol it`s been putting on nice size and strength.
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Zach Linder User profile Expert
Can`t go wrong with the test/deca combo like you had mentioned you have done….bulking is really going to come down to your nutrition man, if you had great results with test and deca, consider giving it another try but heavily focus on your nutrition. An alternative could be test and EQ, test and anadrol, test and primo (i know it won`t blow you up like deca or adrol, but you will achieve quality gains)..good luck
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Will User profile Expert
Any test will work fine for your bulk. The only difference in Test E, C. And P is the ester which is how long its active in your system. They are all ultimately test. If Deca worked for you previously, run it again at a higher dose. No reason to search for a different compound when you know your body responded well to deca.
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Infidel User profile
What is Dust?
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What’s the best pharma you have used for test?? How long did it last and how much did you take?
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nickname_698 User profile Expert
Dragon, Geneza and Alpha pharma are the only labs I use and never had bad experience using their steroids. Test is very cheap to make and is the least faked AAS. You can get test from any lab and you are going to be fine, but if you want to buy expensive compounds like anavar or primo buy from one of the labs I mentioned. They have been very consistent over the years and that`s what matters here. For your first cycle do test alone at 400-500mg a week for 10 weeks. The para pharma e400 that you are asking about is good, if you pin 400mg a week its going to last you 10 weeks. Most tests are dosed 250mg/ml so if you pin 500mg a week they will last 5 weeks so you would need two vials for a 10 week cycle. Make sure you get a good pct done too, clomid 50mg/day for two weeks and then 25mg/day for another two weeks.
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YD1 User profile
Hey bud. The best so far I used is Dragon and Geneza. I haven`t tried other brands since its good enough but Im sure that others are as good. I usually run test at 500mg/week on cycle and in trt I run 200mg/week. At 500mg/week the vial last 1 month. If your looking into this from para it will last you longer due to the concentration of 400mg. Good luck bud.
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Pincushion User profile
I swear I`m not just repeating what the first two guys said but my absolute top three favs are Geneza, Dragon and Alpha Pharma. If I could chose only one single ester it would be Alpha`s Testobolin, and multi ester without a doubt is Geneza`s Sustanon 270. It`s normal Sustanon with one awesome bonus, 20 mgs of testosterone aceatate. When I inject this I swear I can feel the effects working in minuets. Truly a versatile compound. But you just can`t go wrong with either brand. So pick one and get big my friend
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Drew User profile
I would go with alpha pharma or aster labs. Take 500mgs of test a week.
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James chestnut User profile
Sis labs and para pharma are awesome, i havent tried any others test yet but the most popular are dragon and geneza. Ive heard great thing about aaster as well but have only tried their orals. Going to be grabbing some hilma biocare for next cycle but deffinitly give sis labs a try. They sell out quick but its worth waiting for them to restock. I personally go with para and sis because i like the tri test 400 from sis and test e 400 from para. I try to inject the least ammount of oil as possible and with 400 mg i only use 1.5 per week rather than 2.4 if it was only 250mg.
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Jasonz User profile
Haven`t had an issue with any test I`ve got from 24roids. The test e from BM pharmaceuticals I felt was particularly good but honestly it`s all good from 24roids!
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Has anyone tried this brand, just wondering on the quailty, and if its dosed accurately.
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N88 User profile
My old workout partner used this brand for two cycles and liked it; said it was dosed correctly. I still recommend paying extra and going with known, reviewed companies like dp, gp, sis or Alpha. Test always comes up as product of the week and better to wait for that. Also i can almost be certain this product will have more pip than then the other 200-250 mgs/ml products.
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nickname_957 User profile
I have not used this brand, i have used GP and Dragon Pharma, but like everyone will say on this, if 24roids sells it, it is legit, if something is to go wrong and it is bunk, send them tested results of whatever you get and they will make it right
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Joe Longo User profile
I`m sure it is Legit but why would you ever want to kill your muscle with the insane pain this will cause? 200mg is the perfect amount per ml that`s the medical amou t for a reason.have fun being disabled after every injection with this gear
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Has anyone tried this? I am trying to decide between 2x Geneza Pharm Test Cyp 250, or 1x of this Para Pharm Test Enan 400….
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nickname_48 User profile Expert
It`s up to you they are both test with very similar esters from reputable ugls. Right now gp has good sale you might want to take advantage of that
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Swoleville User profile
Cant go wrong with gp. I love that lab and get great results
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LegacyLifter User profile
I personally go with GP or dragon pharma.
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SteveC User profile
I would go with GP personally. I love their stuff and it gives me absolutely zero PIP. This stuff might have some PIP due to the high concentration.
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anon5_uk User profile Expert
I would go with Geneza. I can vouch for their product quality and have blood test proof to show. I wish they shipped EU domesticaly, I`d order them for all my gear needs. 400 mg/mL is also quite high concentration, so PIP is inevitable. Also PS: never decide what gear to use based on what`s cheaper to run.