quick wuestion. Does anyone use this take beta blockers? I take bisoprolol 5 mg propafenone and klor con m20z i just finished my cucle with test havent had any problems i was going to add this to my second cycle. Just cuirous to see everyone elses experience with it. Thanks everyone. God bless
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anonymous_1212 User profile Expert
Hello again Doer, 1. before I even go into any information being it small or bid, please read this study first of Stanozolol: Severe intrahepatic cholestasis and liver failure after stanozolol usage – case report and review of the literature. I give you this to warn you of how Stan can wreak havoc on your liver and it took 5 months for his liver enzymes to return to normal. It is known to tank HDL and promote dry painful joints, as well as harden muscles……like the heart! I do not suggest you do anything to help potentially degrade your condition any more. 2. I suggest Anavar if you are going to add anything, its mild sides and it is prodominently metabolized in the kidneys for excretion males it a better choice. 3. Primobolan would be another choice for the same reasons as Anavar. I cannot give you much advice on this except I 100% would say don`t try it. When I took Stanozolol, I noticed: more energy, leaning out quickly, vascular pronouncement (I am vascular already so it was higher), I healed quicker also. Here are the bad ones: I couldn`t drink enough water to feel hydrated (even with me putting in potassium and magnesium in my water and food), My urine was dark yellow or brown, my electrolytes are already imbalanced (look up jo lindner chest ripple on youtube and look up CAV3 gene mutation) but it made it way worse, to the point I couldn`t workout to my full potential. I hope this helps brother, please be safe!
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Doer User profile
Hey there brother. You my saviorThanks man. I think this is a bad choice for me knowing i have electrolyte imbalance already (hypokalemia) low potassium in the blood. So this would make it even worse for me. But im gonna research anavar since you said it could ser ve me better
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anonymous_1212 User profile Expert
No problem brother, also go to Amazon and look up `now foods potassium chloride powder i take this with my food and in my water. It has helped out a lot with palpitations and I will send you a link for a meta study when I get home about anavar. Its the AAS I researched the most.
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Doer User profile
You are an amazing human being. Docs dont know why my potassium keeps dropping they gave me these huge pills called klor con m20 very high potassium pills i used it everyday maybe this supplement you mentioned will help me keep my potassium levels up and steady. And thank you. Ill be waiting for anavar. Since its orally taken hope it wont damage the liver and kidneys. I guess alot of milk thistle and something live liv52 i have to use right?
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anonymous_1212 User profile Expert
You are welcome! I sincerely imply that you keep trying to find another doctor, try seeking out an endocrinologist, geneticist or better yet a Nephrologist, or kidney doctors. They study the kidneys and any diseases that affect them. I say this because it sounds like you have potassium wasting disease brother. It happens to many people, about 1 in 40,000 but this does not include those that are un-diagnosed for it. The condition is caused by a defect in the kidneys` ability to reabsorb sodium. People affected by Bartter syndrome lose too much sodium through the urine. This causes a rise in the level of the hormone aldosterone, and makes the kidneys remove too much potassium from the body. This is known as potassium wasting. Anavar has a half-life of 8-9 hours and is a `Mild` (it’s not really mild when considering the fact that the side associated with it are almost non-exsistant when compaired to Stanozolol, Dianabol, or Halotestin, also it can be ran for 6-12 months, this was done in hospitals for burn patients and children) AAS but with a High Protein binding of 96-98%. Anavar is the most used AAS in clinical studies that I have seen; I personally call it a Wonderroid. A lot of people on here say 50-60 MG ED but I noticed a good effect on just 30 MG. Now when I combined it with Turinabol (another `mild` AAS with a half-life of 16 hours) this just gave me a great look and nice progression at just 20 MG of each ED. The nice thing about Turinabol is it has a 0 for androgenicity yet ~86 rating for Anabolism and it was chemically made this way on purpose by the East German Communists at that time. What this means to me is that it is purely anabolic! Which is Great for building muscle considering it does not aromatase into estrogen; Neither does Anavar BTW. Here is the study on Anavar: The Anabolic Androgenic Steroid Oxandrolone in the Treatment of Wasting and Catabolic Disorders. You can download this at researchgate to read or print for reference. Here is about Turinabol just for FYI: academic oup com/clinchem/article/43/7/1262/5640958. Hope this all helps you brother and thank you for the votes and keep em’ coming. Reply if you need to brother
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Doer User profile
Thanks again brother yes i took screenshots already. I really appreciate you helping out. The funny things is i wejt to cleveland clinic a few times d i was seen my nephrologist they thought it was aldosterone but no they said i lose it through the urine but my kidneys are fine. It should he something else. Then they looked at my thyroids which are fine. And it was left like that because no one seems to know why. Okay now 30 mg anavar with some kind of liver cleaning supplement live liv52 combined with test sust 250. Thats what my next cycle is going to be then. Is there anywhere else i can contact snd keep in touch with you?
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anonymous_1212 User profile Expert
Great bro and liv52 is here on 24roids for purchase. I prefer to keep in contact here, I get votes and I get to help more than just the person asking the question (if someone bothers to read all my paragraphs). Hit us up when you have another inquiry of any sort. good lift to you.
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anonymous_1212 User profile Expert
FYI, so you do not loose this information, 24roids has been known to delete replies or questions, so take some screen shots or PRT SCR on the computer keyboard and paste it to a word document or turn it into a PDF. I forgot to get into liver care for you. Just choose one but personally I would choose either Nac600, Liv52 or Liv52ds. I have read a few articles about how it is hard to get an adequate amount of the three isomeric flavonolignans, namely silibinin (silybin), silychristin, and silidianin, collectively known as silymarin, which is extracted from the dried milk thistle seeds. An extract would be the most beneficial. Since Anavar is mildly toxic to the liver, if any, I would only take 1 pill ED after your blood work comes back high for BUN, BUN/Creatine ratio, Bilirubin (big marker for jaundice), Alkaline Phosphatase, AST, and ALT. Live well nad be safe brother!
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anonymous_1212 User profile Expert
Also, please talk to your pharmacist about what minerals these medication mess with. I know it is potassium and magnesium but there may be others. Personally, I would log on everyday and see if Dr. Scott is on here responding to peoples questions. He is a Pharm D and could help out a lot. I f you see him on here just hit him up with a reply and say “I have a question for you, If I post it again will you help” or something like that. Then just re-post this question for him to answer. Live well and be safe!
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JamesEarl User profile Expert
I would suggest anavar as it is milder and less hepatoxic. If you get your blood work done and it checks good you can use winstrol cautiously but don`t go over 5 or 6 weeks maximum. It hardens you up and promotes vascularity but dries out your joints too and if you lift too much too fast you risk muscle or ligament tears as it weakens ligaments. Be cautious. Opt for anavar, primobolan, or even turinabol may serve you better. Good luck. Oh and I use beta blockers too and I`ve noticed no negative reaction. In fact beta blockers should be used to lower blood pressure while on steroids especially. Good luck!
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Doer User profile
Anavar is injectable or oral?
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RonaldCoe User profile
It`s an oral. You can check it out on 24roids under oral steroids.
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Sorry to ask a dumb question but this is the first time i am using this product. is there a trick to filling the pin. when i pull back it just drips out. Takes forever to fill. Is there a faster way to fill the pin?
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RyanVogel User profile
I usually use a 18g needle tip to draw and use a 23-25g to inject. With the larger needle tip it usually fills to my desired amount in a second
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fkyle User profile
Use different tips I use 18 ga to suck it up and 23 ga to inject…. another trick is to hold it in your hand to warm the vial.. or the pen when it has the juice in it…that way the viscosity is thinner and sucks up alot easier.. try not to get it to hot.. some will run it over warm water I dont cause along time ago I had some gear turn to Crystals on me.. never a stupid question when your trying to learn good luck and be safe man!
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Patriot_1234 User profile Expert
What gauge of needle are you using to draw? 18-20ga will make life easier when drawing. I hope that helps answer your question. Good luck.
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Winning13 User profile
I use a 18 gauge to draw up the gear and then I switch to a 23 gauge 1 inch to pin my glute. I have found this to be the best way to draw up the gear and then 23 gauge just works for me best to pin. Good luck
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BigZ User profile
Everyone above answered it perfectly I use a 22g and just wait a little longer saves a little time swapping stuff out but the majority of guys use the 18g to draw and anytning over a 23g to pin it.
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PeterShenouda User profile
Im going to explain this in layman`s terms.. Now when your buying needles – the lower the number, the thicker the needle.. to draw thick oils (your gear) you`ll probably use a 18g or a 19g.. but make sure to change the needle to a thinner one before injecting – you might use a 23g or 25g for injecting. And for water based solutions you will use 28g or insulin syringes at 30g.. In the meantime, use what you have and take your time to pull out oil with your needle. Look up some youtube tutorials on how to pin testosterone. I remember when I was new, this will all make sense and become easier with experience. Good luck.
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Dr. Scott User profile Expert
Using a bigger needle may help but you will not be able to use a smaller needle to inject. Winstrol is NOT an oil based compound. Most companies are not using the micronized (or even super micronized) powder anymore, meaning the particles are too big, do you see what i`m saying? if you have to use an 18g to draw you will have to use it to shoot. the particles dont magically shrink in the syringe-winstrol is different, lots of these guys dont seem to know that. Heating can help, but not usually. Heating and shaking vigorously can break it down but i`ve never found a way to successfully to this always. You could also drink it last case scenario and order the tabs next time, it`s why i no longer use inj winny. Zamobon was the only PHARMA that i was sure was super micronized and 24roids doesnt carry it.
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B-trained User profile
Nailed it. Winstrol is a bear to load and unload. The reason I stopped using it.
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So if the bottle is 10 ml how long will it last if I`m doing 50mg every other day and what`s the best thing to stack this with?
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nickname_311 User profile Expert
This`ll last you 20 days. You see there are 10 mL and there are 50 mg per milliliter. The best thing to stack this with is testosterone enanthate or cypionate 500 mg per week.
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EDubz User profile
There 50 mg per ML so eod use would last 20 days.
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Joeskee User profile
I bottle at 50mg eod last 3 weeks. And definitely get some test prop
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Patriot_1234 User profile Expert
At that dosage, it would last 20 days. How many bottles do you have? You should really consider running Test, but without more info we really can`t provide any advice. Reply to keep the conversation going. Don`t forget to vote. Thanks.
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JamesEarl User profile Expert
Every other day lasts 5 weeks. You need another vial for a 10 week cycle at that dose. So it`s 20 shots worth overall. Use it with testosterone not alone. Testosterone is the base for every cycle to replace what gets suppressed from being on cycle. Also if it`s your first time use only testosterone at 400mg to 500mg weekly.
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Can winstrol be taken in the shoulder ?
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Sure User profile Expert
Yes you can inject it in the shoulder just like any other compound.
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Big Jake User profile
Yes, it can be injected IM in the shoulder. Be aware that many people say winstrol is one of the more irritating and painful injections. A glute might be the least painful option. I pin tren acetate in my delt every morning and sometimes get more pip than others. A little trial and error goes far. I recall one guy here who pinned winstrol in his quad and couldn`t walk! Try your delt on leg day, other than that go for the glute I`d say.
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Zach Linder User profile Expert
Yes sir. Prepare for the PIP. Good luck
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jason User profile
Just drink it. The pip is terrible.
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Simonak User profile
Had bad PIP with my experience. If you don`t mind that then go for it.
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JAMMIN978 User profile
yes but I recommend the leg. The shoulder could be pretty sore and for a good few days. That may effect your work out. I actually strongly recommend the orals over the injection when i comes to winny.
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For Randy – suffering from terrible joint pain from winstrol. Eat foods with potassium, lots of them ASAP. Start with a coconut water, sweet potatoes are good too. Never take a potassium pill, they`re bad for you and it`s very easy to get enough eating healthy foods. This made a HUGE difference for me on winstrol. Deca is an amazing joint lube too but you can get potassium in you RIGHT NOW.
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patsalos mixalis User profile
Tan also Jake good info did not know that, take care mate and thx again
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BigOlRed User profile
Spinach kale greens broccoli cabbage dandelion greens
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mixalhs patsalou User profile
I agree man potassium eat your greens fish oil msm or you can just throw deca in their friend, good luck
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Swoll,onthe,low User profile
Go with some npp for some fluid in the joints quickly,maybe fish oil will help as well
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Larryx User profile Expert
Stop taking winny if there is a joint pain. Let estrogen run a little high too as its a very potent joint support. Deca as you said helps by squeezing water in between the joints.
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Randy User profile
Thanks for the input
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Hey guys anyone have any secrets to help with joint pain. Can barely walk when I`m on winstrol now. Goes away a few days after stopping it. I take chondroitin/gluc and fish oil. Drink tons of water. Use menthol/lidocaine creams to help but is terrible in the mornings. Any help would be appreciated. Also does anyone know if Geneza is just clearing house for new stock or are they closing their doors??
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Michael User profile
Run a small amount of deca with it like200-300 mg week, of course you`ll need a test base of at least 150 too but I would do 500 test and 300 deca and fun the winny on the last 6-8 weeks
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Mike Jones User profile Expert
Micheals answer is pretty on point, run a small amount of deca you don`t even need that much 150mg a week is plenty to provide relief, you`ll want to start ASAP because it takes a few weeks to build in your system and to take affect
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nickname_88 User profile
Well sure, what was said about the deca, IF you have some.. if not, bottom line, stop using it… no harm in that especially if it is causing you that much pain.. i would think that would be the answer you`d read the most.. take a break and then next cycle if you`re still dead set on running winni, make sure to run some deca along with.. will work hand in hand together taking care of each others sides, bloat and joint pain..
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nickname_21 User profile Expert
Low dosage of deca works pretty well with winstrol joint pains. 200mg per week you could up the test or lower your ai to hold a little more water.
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evan johnson User profile Expert
Can add in some deca to help relieve the pain. If not I suggest dropping the winstrol and adding in a different oral such as anavar.
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mixalhs patsalou User profile
Deca works wonders about 200mg a week bro, anavar works to bro good luck
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im wondering about these mega clearance deals from geneza, is it old stock thats close to being expired? havent ordered any yet but would like to stock up on a few things
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nickname_464 User profile
I ordered a ten pack of the amdromix when it was being offered at the beginning of the sale. It did take a little longer then normal to receive, but all of my exp. dates were for 2022. I`m going to place another order here soon too because I am a big fan of GP. Hope this helps. Best of luck mate and Happy New Year!
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patsalos mixalis User profile
It’s hit or miss on this but even if date is closer to expiring these things stay potent for a long time after expiry
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Unc33135 User profile
I believe its stuff they have alot of and doesnt move as fast and stuff that may be close to expiration. I remember someone on jere saying before they bought a bunch and it was close to expiration and theyd never be able to use it all before it expired. But even if its expired doesnt mean its no good. Just means it may lose a little potency over time.
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Mike Jones User profile Expert
Some might be an old batch some might not. Even after expiration date almost all items will last well past a year of expiration. Orals last longer than oils if preserved right but both should last a long time if stored properly.
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Siggs User profile
I ordered some and it is good for over 2 years so I wouldn`t say it is old stock. Just a promotion. 24roids is great and will make sure eyou are taken care of.
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Roid_Head User profile Expert
I thought the same but I ordered them anyway. They were delivered last week and the expiration is nov 2022. New batch, good to know they haven`t been gathering dust in some warehouse for couple years
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Hey guys I`ve taken quite a few cycles in the past and have saved up enough gear to take either a 20 week test, tren, var, wini cycle or split it up into 2 cycles 10 week cycles. I was planning on doing the first cycle with test, tren, then var to finish and the 2nd cycle with test and wini with proviron to finish. Would you guys split this up or do one big cycle. My goal is to get some bulk and then cut down obviously. I have enough PCT, AI, HCG and ancillaries (viagara, propecia, etc) for 1 or 2 cycles.
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nickname_21 User profile Expert
I think just run it 20 weeks bulk up the first 10 switch up compound s or dosages a little then start the cut for 10 weeks. I would run tren for the while 20 even though I would want to probably bot a good idea
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Johnny Longsockz User profile
I would say stick with one cycle the whole time that way you get the full effect and are on it with the levels in your system getting the film potential of the product compared to coming off one thing and slowly getting into another one back to back
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Bobby User profile
I would split it in 2 cycles. Primarily to keep your re rotors fresh. although I would do a 12 week cycle and get more gear so I could do another 12 week cycle. 10 is too short in my book and 20 is too long
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Pincushion User profile
If you decide to go with a 20 week cycle I would advise you not to run tren the entire time. I would use it a the second half of the cycle. Running it the last 10 or even 8 weeks will really add some great lean mass and will really polish up the gains you made during the first 10 to 12 weeks. Just my 2 cents.
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Dromeo User profile
Split it. 20 weeks is too long for tren.
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Big Dogg User profile
Dont take 2 totals on one cycle evening one (anavar) is mild. Even if you did one first and one in the end the tren in the middle is still a little hard on your liver. Neither of those orals are going to give you big gains in mass. If that`s all you have do kne cycle with test and tren jumpstart with Winny. The do the test and var to shred up later. If you wat enough on the first cu let you should gain some mass. The plus side is you are likely to keep most of what you gain with those compounds.
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Hello,I`m sorry if i m asking stupid question,,- can i combine in one syringe my test P, Masteron and Winy(water base). to avoid everyday pinning..Thank you.
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Big Dogg User profile
You can combine multiple compounds in one syringe. I personally wouldn`t mix the oil with water soluble stuff. I tried it a couple time with peptides and got some pip. None of the products by themselves caused any. It may have been the specific products I was using but I dont do it any more. Just push the winny in your shoulder and the oils in your glute. Or tey it one time and see how it goes. It wont be any less effective.
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Drew User profile
I would not mix water base with oil base in the same injection my friend oil with oil is fine but don`t put the water base in with it.
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Fit_mom User profile
The oil base you can blend together. The water base no. At least without changing needles and drawing out. Remeber oil and water doesnt mix to begin with.
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Juice24roids User profile Expert
Hey Asif, no stupid questions here. You are among friendly people wanting to help! Regarding combining oil base and water base compounds in the same syringe, lots of people will say not to do this. If all compounds are oil go ahead and combine and if all compounds are water go ahead and combine but don`t mix the two; however, the jury is still out on this and some people say it`s fine to do. So really this is definitely not a stupid question. I only combine same carriers in the same syringe. For instance, I will not combine HCG or HGH with test or anything oil based. I will however combine HCG with b12 vitamin (both water based). On a side note, many people complain about winny injections causing irritation, lumps, redness…etc. Maybe this is why the oral is more popular. Good question and thanks for it.
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Dr Scott User profile Expert
I do, and have for decades with no problems. Obviously with more volume I only use my glutes. Particularly winny, I use the oral now that the 50 mg has become more available. I`ve heard some people say you can`t but no one has ever given me a convincing argument as to why. Go Gators
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N88 User profile
Technically yes you can, but the one time i used water based whinny pinned it separately and went back to oral in a week…benefits dont outweigh the hassle. You`ll have to pin this all the time regardless with it`s short halflife
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What`s going on. I have only ran winny twice before, but I always took it orally. How much should I inject daily (in CC`s)? I`m looking to make the switch to injections to avoid liver damage. Thanks.
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Hitler User profile
You want to inject 50-100 mg per day
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nickname_537 User profile
Winstrol injectable can be drank and it too is hepatotoxic. 50mg eod to 100mg daily is the range I`ve read. Do research on winstrol injection hepatotoxicity. Use liv52 and add nac if you will for added safety. Limit cycle to 6wks or 8 weeks tops.
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Gino User profile
100mg every other day or daily for maximum results. I only use the injection table version. Personal preference but Feel like I get more bang for my buck with it
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RldlHolyfield User profile
I am pretty sure injectible winny will still me hepatoxic as it is the same exact thing as the orals, just mixed in a solution. Either way, dosing will need to be the same. Good luck, and let us know how it works for you.
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Anonymous 467 User profile
Yes dosing would be the same but it has a sorry half life. That is why people would take the orals split3 to 4 times a day. Injecting that often would suck. I would stick with the orals. Good luck man
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JB205 User profile Expert
I started out at 50mg and tried upping it to 100mg EOD, but I started having cramps in my calf muscles and dropped back down to 50mg.
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Best place to inject Winny?Also Im torn, I have 1 1/2 inch 22 gauge intramuscular but I also have Insulin syringes.50mg = 1ml (1cc) correct?Sorry if this sounds stupid, im still learning. Wouldnt I rather use the 1 1/2 22 gauge to guarantee im going into the muscle?
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Fit_mom User profile
The best place for inintramuscular injection is the glutes. You can pin other muscles but you will see the least issue. The insulin needle would be too short for glutes. You could use it in the delts or quads if your body fat is low enough. It would take a little time to load the syringe though. Good luck
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Colin User profile
I use the insulin needle for my whinny. Right into my shoulder and never had a problem. It’s a little thick so inject right away after loading the syringe
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Nickanem User profile
Hey buddy, I would recommend going for your flute. I’ve heard from couple of people that winny PIP can be quite harsh. And if you inject on delts it could be uncomfortable when doing side raises, overhead press etc..
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N88 User profile
IM is the way to go. Glutes, delts, quads or lats…least pain in the glutes for sure.
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Drew User profile
Your better of with the insulin needles as long as you can just up the winnie you will be fine and it will be less painful
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JayP User profile
It’s a matter of personal preference. But there are great resources for utilizing spot injections. I would hit the quads for winny since it’s a larger area.
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For water base the insulin needles are perfectly. But where should I shut it with the insulin needles? Does it have to be into the muscle or just the skin like hgh in the belly?
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GainsVille_85 User profile
Winstrol has got to be injected intramuscularly. A subQ injection will result in inconsistent releasing of the hormone.
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YD1 User profile
Well it depends on your body fat. If you dont have much you can shoot your delts and quads. I have done both without any problems within 13 years in and out of cycling. I used insulin needles with testosterone and even winny depending what type of oil or water/solubility. I advice on shooting it in a spot that you are not going to be working out on because some pip that will happen especially if you are new, not saying you are. Good luck
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LongIslandBEAST User profile
Subcutaneous just like HCG and HGH. Go into any fatty tissue that is at least 1/2-1” thick so you don’t hit muscle and bruise yourself. Insulin needle I like a 5/16 31g.
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nickname_556 User profile
You can do bolth IM and Subq but IM is recommended more steady absorption when done I`m rather then subq
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N88 User profile
Always done it IM but some do subQ so its your preference. Delts, glutes, quads or lats work fine
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Anon14 User profile
You can take this IM or subq, subq takes a little longer to get into the the system. But you can do both….I prefer IM like in the delts.
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How many time have to used winny in the week
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nickname_556 User profile
Every day oral or injection
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YD1 User profile
50-100mg everyday. I suggest start at 50 if you have no prior experience with cycles. Do that for 6 weeks and you will be good. Good luck!
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JohnDoe14 User profile
Everyday, split your total dosage and take twice a day to keep consistent levels. 50-100mgs for 5-6 weeks and you’ll see some good effects.
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Jim chestnut User profile
You have to use it everyday wether its oral or injectable.
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Scott User profile
6 weeks. Taken or pinned ED. 50mgs is a good dose.
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Nashdaddy User profile
I do 50 mg every day. Only for about6 weeks at the end of ny cycle.
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having trouble loading into the syringe product dosent seem to mix well any suggestions
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Scott User profile
Try warming it up before you draw.
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Will User profile Expert
Try heating up the oil before attempting to inject. A blow dryer should work well for that. Heat tends to make the oil easier to extract.
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Nashdaddy User profile
Warm it under warm/hot water and swirl it. Dont aggresively shake it. That should do the trick.
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Joe Hodgins User profile
Like the other guys said heat up the vial either by putting it in a cup of warm water for 30 seconds or possibly the blow dryer although I’ve never tried that way but I’m sure it works. Also, pick up some 18g needles to draw out of the vial with.
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Swoleville User profile
Warm up the oil before drawing and warm it up again before injecting
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Mike Jones User profile Expert
Warm up the oil and try drawing with a 22g needle and injecting with a 25g
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What size needle cane use for injecting water base Winstrol ???
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TT KK User profile
Small needle like insulin needle is good
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Dalton Carpenter User profile
I would use a 25g x 1. 5″ if you`re shooting in glute
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BB89 User profile
If its a water based I don`t see any problem with insulin needle, people get 22g or 25g needles because tests are usually oil based.
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Greg Landes User profile
Insulin needles would be fine, as they are water based vs oil. Just make sure, depending on where you are injecting, that the needle is long enough to reach the muscle.
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ROBERT BERG User profile
If its water base the insulin needles are perfectly okay. If you decide to use an oil base or mix this with something else use either 23g x 1. 5 if you`re going into your butt/glute or 23h x 1″ if you`re going anywhere not needing to force a deep injection site. Good luck
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anon5_uk User profile Expert
Water based and subcutaneous = insulin needles. Oil based = 25 gauge. Water based and intramuscular = 25 gauge.
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Would Winstrol be a good addition to a cycle with EQ and Var?
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Mike Jones User profile Expert
You could in theory, but since var and winni work I’m almost the same way (almost) there’s no point. Var is much more mild in terms of side effects. If you want a little extra fat burning add in some clen and/or hgh.
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Storm User profile
Yes to answer your question. you can cycle winny with eq and var, but there’s a lot better compound to stake with winny. For example: winny, Eq, clen, Test you also can add tren to the equation. Also keep in mind winny works best at the end of the cycle “finisher” it makes the muscles way hard without water retention. Hope that helped you.