Hello guys! What would y`alls opinion be on running Deca 300mg a week with Test-Cyp 400mg/weekly for a first cycle.. Of course I have a criteria on mg easing in weekly, let`s say 250cyp first 4 weeks, deca 150 for first 4 then go up from there. Wanting to lean bulk in a sense during this time of whack was. And do you guys believe I would need Arimidex on hand due to Decas ability to create estrogen “commonly” or would EstroVoid from amazon be good for now. Thanks y`all, stay safe!
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Dan User profile Expert
first cycle should be test only cycle. 400mg per week is perfect. Do not add deca on until 3rd or 4th cycles. You need to know if you have sides from exo test. Deca will throw everything off. Dial in test first then add deca. you definitely need AI in hand before you start. get pct with clomid too. Also for future cycle, you need to get caber not ai to deal with deca. Deca you with prolactin. Test only cycle will definitely give you gain!
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Bswole User profile
I suggest u do test only for first cycle. U will get great gains with just the test alone 300 to 400mg a week will be good to start. Deca will be good on second or third cycle. Good luck with wherever u deside to do.
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Big Dogg User profile
So many problems. Use only yest for your first cycle. Deca is not a lean gain compound. There are no over the counter products that will block aromatase when on gear. With a long ester especially pick a dose and stick to it unless you have sides and need to stop. So test only, 400 – 500mg/week get a real AI in case you need it. Get Clomidand Nolvadex for PCT.
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JB205 User profile Expert
I would keep Deca at about 250mg weekly. Test is fine at 400mg weekly. Just make sure your test mg to deca mg has higher testosterone or you could run in to deca dick. I would have an AI like armidex on hand and run .5mg twice a week. Also, I would have caber and something for deca dick on hand like cialis or any ED brand. I had a friend who ran deca higher than test and got deca dick. It was sad to see lol. Seriously, I would aslo run test only for first cycle, you will be amazed and the gains just of test. Save deca for the next cycles.
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traipse User profile
Hey Dan, it is most common to run deca at a 2:1 ratio with test so test would be 300 to start and deca would be 150. then increase from there. I would do my first increase on my 4th week it takes 3 full weeks for levels to peek in blood. Idk what estrovoid is but anything legal does not work as well as real AI if at all. you would need an AI for this less is more tho so take a small dose around week 2-2.5. also deca is a dirty bulking product with water gains not a lean bulk but still an amazing product.
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nickname_21 User profile Expert
Its always a good idea to have an AI on hand just incase. Most will say test only for first cycle. And it`s a good idea becuase every differnt compound at differnt dosages may have side effects for you that you dont want. So if you mix them then all of a sudden you get gyno or break out in acne you wont know for sure witch compound caused it. So its kinds trial and error.
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James Lawrence User profile
Test only bro…400 mgs 10 to 12 weeks. 2nd cycle turn up dose to 500 or a tad higher. Maybe deca on 3 rd cycle if you can handle the test at those doses. I strongly urge u to not run deca right out the gate. Get familiar with all the basic ins and outs of running gear responsibly. Pinning, Blood work, proper pct protocol, the use of aromatase inhibitors, ect. Lots to learn! Ask questions and research. This is no game. Best of luck!
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PunchNpie User profile
Since everyone has already recommended test only for a first cycle, and I agree with that, but let`s assume you`re going to test and Deca anyways. I think that the dosages you`ve laid out are fine. With the Deca only at 300mgs I highly doubt that Caber will be needed. But definitely have an AI like arimidex on hand just in case. Get your blood work done before you start and listen to your body. Good luck brother
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Is This 300 decan and 350 sust a good starter stack? How many weeks would you recommend? Im 208lb 5`11″ with decent muscle mass. Am i missing something?
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N88 User profile
A good starter would be just test….300 to 400 mgs a week. Also when stacking try to pair like esters together. Deca and sus will go together, but a better stack would be NPP and sus. Reason being you`ll have to shoot sus about every other day and NPP also works great EOD. As you know NPP is the same as DECA but just in a faster releasing ester so it pairs up with test prop (one of the esters in sus 350) a little better.
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Nattygains User profile
Persoanlly I never really liked sust. But that is just a personal opinion. I would use either test e or cyp instead. As far as maybe giving you body a kick start and increase the cycle productiveity you may want to add an oral in the beginning of the cycle. Dbo, anadrol, Tbol. Anadrol is king though I love that stuff. 50mg of that to start your cycle and you will be getting some nice gains in the beginning of your cycle. As for the deca is concerned I would 100% order cabergoline with it to keep your prolactin levels in control. As for an AI I don`t really use them much during cycle but if need be ill have a little nolva on hand in case things get a little out of hand that is like my first aid kit
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Anonymous97 User profile
If this is going to be your first cycle id suggest just taking some test cyp or enanthaate and run 400mg/wk split into two weekly doses like Monday/Thursday. Get as much growth from the least amount of compounds you can before stacking multiples.
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Zach Linder User profile Expert
Not a big fan of sust…personally I would go with test. If this is your first cycle, please TEST ONLY. 300mg – 400mg a week is way more than enough. Heavily focus on your diet and training to maximize your results. You will be pleasantly surprised about the results a test only cycle will bring you. Good Luck
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Mike Jones User profile Expert
This would be a good first cycle if you start at low dose and be sure to have all your ancillaries and pct in place, you need a good ai either letro or adex for estrogen control, and caber to control prolactin, hcg to run all through cycle to keep your HTPA functioning and a month worth of nolva or clomid starting 2 weeks after your last injection
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Will User profile Expert
If this is your first or second cycle, then no, this is not a good compound to use. Your first 2 cycles should be just Test E or C for 12 weeks. First cycle being 300mg and second cycle being 400-500mg. Test is the base of every cycle and you nerd to see how your body responds on lower and slightly higher doses first before using other compounds. Bodybuilding is also a marathon and not a sprint. You want to get the most results from the least. If you max yourself out on different doses and compounds early, you already limited the amount of gains you`ll ever have due to not having the tools to add different compounds or increasing doses. You`ll get to the point the side effects aren`t tolerable and will be stuck. Take it slow!
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Looking to add deca to my cycle. Im just curious what lab i should use. Im sticking to Europe labs just becuase they ship quicker than others. Im stuck deciding between Rus-bio, aaster solutions, hilma biocare, or para pharma i have heard theyre all great labs, just wondering wich out of the 4 most people prefer or have had good results with. Appreciate any advice.
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BigWhite User profile
Any of the labs you mentioned are all top notch, my personal favorite is sis lab and arl russia but the a re currently unavailable. You will be good to go with whatever lab you choose. Nap gear is always legit you have no worries p
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Will User profile Expert
The top brands on the website are Dragon Pharma and GP. I`ve had theres and can say it`s legit. The other brands are either newer or I haven`t had there Deca. I wouldn`t sacrifice brand quality history for faster shipping. Just my 2 cents
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SteveC User profile
Personally, my go-to labs right now are Geneza and Aaster. Im currently on a cycle of test cyp and EQ both from Aaster and I think this is the best stuff I have ever used. Oh, and the package only took 7 days to get from Europe to my mailbox in the midwest U.S., which is by far the best shipping time I`ve ever had. You cant go wrong at all with Aaster!
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Lav3ga User profile Expert
Recently been running some aster gear (usually I`m gp and dragon) and really liked it. Not much pip, and made for some great results. I noticed however that the quicker shipping for Europe hasn`t been the case for me lately, as I got two packs snagged, and my dragon get here first. For whoever reason I have great luck with dragon at customs.
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Beard User profile
I`ve had great results with para pharma not to mention my fastest shipping orders as well
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Mike Jones User profile Expert
Out of the Europe labs hilma is by far my favorite, all of their products are professionally packaged and accurately dosed
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Is this the same as deca? Was gonna take it with susta 350 for 15 weeks. What are the products like from this lab.
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evan johnson User profile Expert
Yes this product is 300mg Nandrolone Decoanate. That cycle sounds great for putting on quality mass, but I would make sure to have arimidex on hand for potential estrogen related side effects. Products from this lab a re top notch like everything else on 24roids.
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Phillip User profile
“Deca” is just the ester attached to the hormone. You can have any hormone be “deca”.. even your sustanon has Test Decanonate in it.But more on your question.. Yes this is Durabolin 300mg. Just make sure you pin that Sust EOD or you`ll have very shaky blood levels, I just realized that on my current cycle. And this Lab has been sent to AnabolicLab and has produced very top notch test results back, they have a website and all if you do some googling and is well respected. I was about to buy them personally but a sale from another lab here distracted me!
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Guillermo User profile Expert
Para Pharma Decan 300 contains the hormone Nandrolone Decanoate at 300mg/ml and is chemically identical to Nandrolone Decanoate or “Deca” from other quality sources. Test results from Para Pharma performed by independent analyses show products to be accurately dosed within industry tolerance standards.
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J.P. User profile Expert
Decan is just this labs branding twist to the clinical designation assigned to the compound. It`s like saying “super charged cobra” versus saying “Super Snake.” They both mean the same thing, but, Super Snake just sounds better! Deca, Deca Durabolin, and Nandrolone Decanoate are for the most part synonymous in this market. Regardless of the terminology the effects, and more importantly the side effects, will be the same. That said, Cabergoline, while often disregarded, is a must have when running Deca. People say it`s pricey, that you don`t really “need” it, or that you can pound B vitamins instead. The fact is, it`s actually quite affordable considering how low of a dose is needed and the length of the half life. I guess you don`t necessarily need it, but I personally DO need my dick to work and prefer to leave breast feeding to the fairer sex. And the whole thing about pounding down fist fulls of B vitamins is laughable for combating prolactin in bodybuilding. As the the quality of this lab, the reviews are out there and quite favorable. In my experience with 24roids, if something sucks, they`ll quit carrying it.