Bros this Winny is hard af to draw out. Took me 15 minutes to get a 1.5 out. What`s up? Help plz
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Bob Johneser User profile
What size pin? Thats too long to wait, lol! It the particle size of the stanozolol is coarse, you could have issues. I would ajust to a bigger gauge so you dont get jammed up in the middle of pinning.
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Star Fox User profile
Wow that`s not normal at all? Are you using large enough needle? Need more info.
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nickname_21 User profile Expert
Just go up 2 sizes to draw and up 1 to pin just gonna have to do that.
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Jason123 User profile
Use an 18 gauge to draw it out and then drink it. Next time buy the pills. Injectable winny ain`t worth the headaches.
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crazy Dan User profile Expert
I just pin test suspension and winstrol for injection this morning. Draw out .75ml each. Took a long time than my normal EQ/test stack. I pull plunger and let it go, Move bottle a little, pull plunger then releases. I did this for about 4minutes. The reason you pull and release is you might get large crystals plugging the needle. Releasing the plunger releases the large crystal and then do it again. I use a 23g pin. i normally use a 25g for my oil gear. 23g wasn`t bad at all going in. feel the prick of the needle a little more but no pain no gain right?! I had no pip at all. Gear went in quite fast! no clog. i got GP test suspension and winny but i also use dragon as well which you have and they are pretty much has the same crystallization consistency. My recommendation is to use a 23g or 22g pin to draw and pin. You want to use the same pin because if you draw with a larger needle (smaller gauge) then the large crystals get into the syringe but then when you switch to a thinner needle (larger gauge) to pin them it will get clog. Right? So i draw with with a 23g and then pin with a 23g and it`s easy peazy my friend! It`s worth the prick pain! fyi it`s 10x less painful than tattooing pain. Good luck buddy! Don`t forget to vote.
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nickname_311 User profile Expert
Injectable winny sucks. I would go to the tablets and use the tablets if you`re afraid about your liver start taking liv-52. That is what I have I have done in the past. If you are starting take orals that is fine just make sure I have your blood work checked every so often I would recommend every 3 months some people go with every 6 months 6 months is the maximum time I would do for any blood test. My doctor does every 3 months with me I go on a short cycle because I am on trt than a cruise just before getting my blood test taken so I`ll do like a 10-week cycle take time off go completely off no testosterone whatsoever for a couple weeks leading up to my blood test everything comes back fine but I know it is time to go on another cycle once I get my blood test back for my doctor
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What do you think about drinking the Winstrol? I`ve heard it`s literally the same someone please let me know pros and cons
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traianos123 User profile
I will answer u with a question, why the manufacturer write on the label “Intramuscular Injection Only”?? very bad idea to drink this, maybe u are scared of injections but to drink this is not an option.
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Gears of war User profile
If your plan is to drink it because your worried about injections then might as well buy orals? Probably only get half the benefits of drinking it and probably taste like garbage.
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nickname_464 User profile
1Yes, you can drink it if you find the PIP from injectable winstrol to bee too uncomfortable since its a C17 alkylated steroid it will survive the journey through your GI tract into the bloodstream. It tastes pretty terrible and reportedly loses a small percentage of efficacy compared to injecting but dont let anyone tell you you cant drink it. However the other form is just as readily available so maybe next time just order the oral version. Best of luck mate.
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ShreddedFreak User profile
If your wanting to take winstrol orally I would just get the pills! The pros / cons you would get more out of the injectable mg for mg and it would be less harsh on your liver! Hope this helps!
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evan johnson User profile Expert
A great cutting drug particularly for bodybuilders in contest prep. That being said can be effective for anyone`s cutting cycle. Stacks well with tren and masteron.
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Johny User profile Expert
A professional said once you can drink it but I don’t recommend it brother, it is intended to be injected intramuscularly and that is how I recommend you do it bro, good luck
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Roid_Head User profile Expert
All C17 alkylated compounds can be drank, they survive the stomach acid and the liver until they are used by the muscle or pissed out. I always get Winstrol in a pill form, people don`t know it otherwise why complicate a simple thing.
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Hello,I just received my order of Winstrol from Dragon Pharma. When I attempt to draw the product into a syringe it is clogging the needle. I am using an 18g needle. I need to know how to solve this problem. thanks,Robert
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Clowdy User profile
This is because it’s crashed it got cold you need to warm it up with a hairdryer or heat up the sauce pan full of water and then set the vile in it due it a few times till wen you shake it a little there’s clumps
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Winny User profile
This is motaly and not fun. Winny crystals are big and in suspension so they clog fast. Warm the water up mix it up so it suspends in the water quickly draw and a quickly pin. You may have to pul it in and out into your muscle to successfully pin it. Speed is essentially herw
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jenna User profile
Warm up your vial under warm running water, swirl it around then draw it and inject it as fast as possible. It clogs very easily since it`s suspended in water.
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nickname_79 User profile
id say warm it up. you can get a bad infection injecting when there are crystals in it. i would say use winny pills bro. not alot of ppl ahoot winny now.
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Sean Phillips User profile
Heat, mix it up good and speed. Winny is a pain and the ass to inject. Literally! It`s frustrating and takes finess and a quick draw and poke.
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mike User profile
This is not because it crashed its because winny is suspended in water not oil. This is why you get 6 answers! Smh. Warm it up mix it up god. Draw quickly, flip the tops and inject fast.
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what do you guys prefer, injectable or oral winny.
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ThePony User profile
I prefer oral. As much as it is liver toxic, it’s much easier to take, and keep blood levels stable, by taking a few doses a day, vs injecting everyday.
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Mike86 User profile
I prefer oral, injectable crystallizes and is difficult to inject sometimes and hurt like hell when you do.
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Giant User profile
Like above I agree but the safest route is injectable although is is still slightly liver toxic, good luck bro
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Mike p User profile
I prefer oral winny, injectable is definitely more potent but I hate pinning an extra cc each day, and the pip from its sucks!
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Sean User profile
I run oral 50-100mg for 4-6weeks the tail end of a cut. I hate injectable, it hurts like hell and have to pin every day
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Susta User profile
Go oral, I purchased 6 bottles of injectable because of the sale and the shots are super painful, I will not do injectable again. I`m actually drinking the liquid Winny now due to the 3 day pains from injecting. I take the syringe and draw out the liquid then remove the needle head and squirt it in my mouth. Yeah I won`t buy injectable anymore and I do also hear it is easy to get infections from water based Winny if you`re not careful.
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what do you clouds prefer, injectable or oral winny.
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Bob User profile
There is some pain with injectable winny, I would do low dose oral for 4-6 weeks about 40mg, if you want to be a bit safer bro, njectable
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ThePony User profile
I prefer oral. As much as it is liver toxic, it’s much easier to take, and keep blood levels stable, by taking a few doses a day, vs injecting everyday.
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Mike86 User profile
I prefer oral, injectable crystallizes and is difficult to inject sometimes and hurt like hell when you do.
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Mike p User profile
I prefer oral winny, injectable is definitely more potent but I hate pinning an extra cc each day, and the pip from its sucks!
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ThePony User profile
I prefer oral. As much as it is liver toxic, it’s much easier to take, and keep blood levels stable, by taking a few doses a day, vs injecting everyday.
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pat User profile
I like oral easier to take just don’t go high on dose at it’s a harsh oral 40mg. Is good bro
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Does this have to be injected daily?
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Gearpeace User profile Expert
Yes Pumps. 1 to 2ml a day (50 – 100mg). If daily injections are an issue try the oral, but take Liv 52 while on oral.
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GainsVille_85 User profile
Yes. This is designed to be more of a pre workout injection. I imagine you could do EOD, but, frequent injections nonetheless.
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Dan User profile Expert
Yes it has to be injected IM. Also it needed to be pin at an area away from the oil based testE or any test. Since this is a water base.
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Juice24roids User profile Expert
Hey Pumps, winny is best injected daily to keep blood levels stable. I would advise against any water based compounds for injection. Stick with oil you`ll thank me later. Water can leave nasty knots and be more painful than oil. Thanks for the question.
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Dr Scott User profile Expert
Most do, some do qod. like Gvill said I will often mix it with my test, some of people say that you cant mix oil based and water based but absolutely no reason you cannot as long as you use sterile technique and i and many of my friends have been doing it for decades. No sense giving yourself an extra injection and it actually goes in easier.
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Pookie User profile
Yes it does…water based is quick acting and doesn`t last long in the system
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Never ran winny,is oral or injection better?
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Drew User profile
They both have more or less the same results how ever the pills are a lot worst for your liver. The injectables are a lot lighter on the liver.
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Jd D User profile
Anything oral will be harder on your liver
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Dromeo User profile
Oral is much easier but injection is better.
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Will User profile Expert
One is not better than the other because they are the same compound. However both come with different negatives. Oral is harsh on the liver and you`ll want to take a liver support supplement. Injectable I`ve heard of many having bad injections and getting infections. Between those two potential negatives, ice always stuck with oral.
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Matt Beard User profile
Save your liver and inject.
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Cyclone User profile Expert
Injectable is slightly better as it has less strain on the liver.
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Any word on this being clumpy when it comes in? I don`t mind heating it up, but if there is an issue with this batch/product, I don`t want to inject something that`s not okay. Has anyone heated up and had good experience after?
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Anonymous 467 User profile
No this would be completely liquid. I have never gotten any thing count from 24roids. If it is i would open a ticket with 24roids. Good luck
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pat User profile
Man contact 24roids immediately just to be sure. They will help no doubt. Better safe than sorry
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Manster User profile
Itll be fine if yiu heat and swirl it. It more than likely just crystallized in solution. I wouldnt worry but if you dont think Its safe just contact 24roids.
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Slim User profile
Unless the ambient temperature is pretty low, like you live in iceland or something, the solution should be liquid consistency. I would open up a ticket with 24roids for more information!
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LongIslandBEAST User profile
Nr supposed to be clumpy per se but it could have separated. I believe winstrol is a suspension, I may be wrong on that but I’ve heard this before. I’ve never used injectable winny personally, only oral. But if it’s separated and it is in fact suspended than you just want to shake it up a bit before drawing and then inject right away so it doesn’t settle in the syringe.
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Trenbologna sandwich User profile
Shake it gently up and down this is common with I’m winstrol it sets a bit and can be hard to draw
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Whats up everyone. Ok I just got my winny today and it is extremely hars to draw. Im using a 23 guage but nothing comes out except a bit of water and everything else stays in the vial. The only thing right now that I can do is just to try to pop the whole top off and then insert a syringe with the needle tip because all is so clumped up. I tried to shake very good but still same. I posted a pic in the my gear pics its the one that says deca/winny has arrived. Any suggestions? Thank you in advance.
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Fit_mom User profile
That doesn`t sound right. There should not be any clumps. Dont remove the sealed cap as this keeps the vial contents sterile. I would submit a 24roids ticket. Unless winstrol liquid is different should not have particles. Good luck
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GainsVille_85 User profile
Sounds like your product has crystallized. Open a ticket and send pics to 24roids if you can. They should take care of it. You could also try heating the vial in hot water.
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anon5_uk User profile Expert
For suggestions: heat vial up and shake vigorously. You need it to become uniform although it will still be murky, so that you can inject it. 23g is good enough. Do not open rubber top or it will no longer be sterile.
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Anabolix250 User profile
As stated above. Try heating it up and shaking it. Sounds like it has crystalized or perhaps seperated. You have to get it mixed very well. I have had winny so thick that it stops up the needle. Ended up having to inject multipe times. Thats why I wont take winny injectable anymore. Hope this helps. Good luck!!!
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Acfit User profile
A 23g should definitely be enough for Winny. Did you try another pin to see if maybe your syringe was defective? Winny should be clear liquid floating on top of some white powder and should mix easily. Def open up a 24roids ticket if it looks clumpy. Are all the vials like that or just one? Good luck!
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Skuchie User profile
Open a ticket. And under no circumstances take the rubber stopper out, the entire contents will then become unsterile and therefore useless.
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Can someone point me in the direction of a good source that I can use to learn more about gear? I`ve been natural for a few years and I`m about to transition into the world of enhanced weighting and anabolics but I dont wanna start with my eyes closed. I need to know if I must alter my split or change my intensity. Do I still train the same muscle groups the same amount of times per session and per week or does this change? How does nutrition affect me while taking anabolics. For example if I were not taking anabolics and decided to go on a caloric deficit, I would lose weight. What if I were taking winstrol and test prop or test cyp. Yeah I would lose fat but would I also be gaining muscle because of increased testosterone? I`m new to the world of AAS so I do not know the answer to this question. But I want to find out the answer and then some. So is there a good source of knowledge on the internet that I can utilize? Or should I just surf forums such as this one and ask these questions. Any answer is appreciated
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Zach Linder User profile Expert
If you`ve never ran a cycle, stick with running test only. Please understand that no steroid in the world makes you lose fat. To fully reap the benefits of a cycle, make sure that you have everything you need for a cycle (AI, PCT), proper nutrition, and a solid training regimen prior to starting it. Please don`t be one of these guys who relies on “bro-science”. Take the right approach and you will be fine
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Joe Hodgins User profile
This is a very good forum with some knowledgeable people and there are other forums as well. Not sure if I’m allowed to post the sites so just do a google search. Also, I have come across some good talks on Reddit
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anonymous255 User profile
Use 24roids to learn info. With test and winstrol you can gain muscle while losing fat if you stay in a small calorie deficit like 300 calories under per day, and train hard focusing on increasing strength.
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Ryan User profile
Honestly here would be a good place to ask, just be very specific about your questions and provide a lot of detail and background so we can help as best we can
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Swoleville User profile
Look no further my friend. The 24roids community is here to assist with all your questions. Anything we can do to make sure you`re doing things correctly and safely
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I have winstol50 and I used 23gauge needle. but the white stuff did not come inits okay? or I need bigger needle?
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michael patsalou User profile
I heard from an expert tou can drink this
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Zach Linder User profile Expert
Injectable Winstrol should be water soluble, which means that you can ingest it orally….regarding your questions, 23g needle should work fine. If your compound was lumpy or not mixed correctly, I would email 24roids regarding this situation. Also, usually this does not happen unless the product has been exposed to major temperature variances. Good luck, bigger needles work better to withdraw
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Garry Goldberg User profile
You should use 100mg/E3D for the last four weeks of your cycle. My doc advice me buy winstrol on steroidsfax.net
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Mtrain User profile
You can drink water-based Winny, but injection is still the most effective way to ensure you`re absorbing the absolute most. Use a bigger gauge (I usually use a 20G needle) to withdraw into your barrel and use the 23G needle to inject. I use larger gauge needles to withdraw everything, except when I`m dealing with bac water. Enjoy your gains, mate.
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nickname_957 User profile
23g needle should work just fine, i agree with mtrain
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LegacyLifter User profile
I`m not sure what you`re pulling in there but winny is extremely thin in solution. An insulin needle should be able to draw it up.
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Since Winstrol is a water base, can you drink your dosage so the pip won’t be as bad? Any info would be greatly appreciated.
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SocalJuicer User profile Expert
Yes, oddly you can drink the inject able version, but some say you lose a bit of effectiveness (though I`m not 100% sure). With oral winstrol being inexpensive and readily available, I`m not sure why people even mess with the injectable version.
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Zach Linder User profile Expert
SocalJuicer is correct, just keep in mind, injecting will be slightly less harsh on your liver. Make sure you protect yourself 🙂
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Don O User profile Expert
Yes, if you find the PIP from injectable winstrol to bee too uncomfortable then you can absolutely drink it since its a C17 alkylated steroid and will survive the journey through your GI tract into the bloodstream. It tastes pretty terrible and reportedly loses a small percentage of efficacy compared to injecting but dont let anyone tell you you cant drink it.
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Big E User profile
Yes you actually can drink they winstrol solution but for what it`s worth you may as well just go ahead and take the tablets to avoid the taste
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anon5_uk User profile Expert
Doesn`t have anything to do with it being water based. Winstrol can be administered oral and as an injectable. So yes, you can drink it. Will it go down smoothly? I doubt it, it will taste horrible. Next time buy tablets if you want to go the oral route.
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RJB16 User profile
Yes you can but as stated it will be more harsh on the liver..
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Doesn’t this product come with a lot of pip ?
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Anonymousone User profile
Yes I had to stop using it because of the pip.
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Lav3ga User profile Expert
Haven`t used this particular one, but all water based injections to the muscle hurt like a mother fucker. Effective shit tho if you can hack it.
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Dan J User profile
Oh yes, yes it does. Inject it subcutaneously instead of intramuscularly. Deep intramuscular pain is more painful in my opinion.
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Scott User profile
Get some oral winny? Goodluck bro, water based compounds can hinder your training and make you walk like a penguin.
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Big E User profile
Yes this will definitely cause a considerable amount of pip. Try not to inject any more than you absolutely need to at one time.
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I’ve never run injectable windy before. This stuff is white, kind of like small white debris in water. Is that normal?
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Mike Jones User profile Expert
Yes this is normal for injectable winstrol, generally the compound becomes cloudy because it is a suspension product and the molecule starts to separate from the carrier if sitting for extended periods, just lightly shake it and it should be a solid white color, be ready for pip with injectable winni it’s one of the worst compounds to inject personally
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zachary hall User profile
Yes sir. Any suspension will look similar. Almost a milky look
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ROBERT User profile
When its milky with debris it is very normal with Winstrol.
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evan johnson User profile Expert
Yes injetable winstrol has the look of a suspension type product. This is perfectly normal.
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Jay User profile
Its normal for it to be a little white and foamy. Back in the day before internet days in socal, there was a guy who put ArmourAll in a vial and sold it as winny because it looked white and foamy like winstrol. Needless to say a lot of people got bad infections
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Maison Jardin User profile
Inject Winnie Is going to have you questioning it before you do it By it look and then after you do it by how much it hurts you’re going to think it’s fake because it hurt you so bad I always take oral Winnie because the injectable there’s just too much to bear dam pip
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Can i inject this SubQ with an insulin syringe since it is water-based formula?or it must be injected into muscle?
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barclord User profile
You can use a 28g insulin syringe but I wouldn’t go higher than that. One problem you will have is a long draw time with such a narrow needle.
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RJB User profile
Yes you can but as stated the draw time will be long but it can be done.
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evan johnson User profile Expert
Yes because it is a water base you can inject with either.
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Lav3ga User profile Expert
Anything can go sub Q man, even oils. In the case of the water base winny, I would think it`s a solid play except it may would be extremely painful. Dumping that shit into an experienced site like a glute or quad still hurts like a bitch. I could see Sub-Q shot being fairly painful, that being said there`s nothing wrong with it medically so let it rip. the advantage to doing a Sub-Q shot is that it takes longer to get into your bloodstream then an intramuscular shot. This doesn`t usually matter with the depot (oil) shots as they`re slow anyways but because winny move so quickly through the body this might be a good move. Send a couple then let us know.
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smalldres User profile
You can backload an insulin needle and inject it either Subq or IM
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Anonymous User profile
You can but I wouldn`t suggest it. Just do an IM injection with an insulin needle.
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I ordered 24 gauge syringes, but they did not come in. I was wondering if I am able to take winstrol through an insulin syringe and if it will still work effectively if injected into gluten or deltoid, I am injecting 50mg per day for 6 weeks.
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Lav3ga User profile Expert
Yeah man small doses are great in slin pins. Find somewhere lean and send it deep(press hard enough to put a dent in your muscle). The hardest part is loading the slin pin. I pull the plunger out and fill it from the back.
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Archangel User profile
As Lav3ga said. Make sure you press it hard against your muscle and inject deep. It will work fine. Also the best idea ever is like he said. Pull the plunger out and fill it from the back. I`ve had to do that with test before. You will be fine. Make sure to let 24roids know the syringes didnt come in. If you did not order from 24roids. There are other site that are great about syringes.
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Vincent Valentine User profile Expert
I completely agree with Lav3ga, injecting this with insulin syringes is perfectly fine. The compound will still be effective if injected into the glutes and/or the deltoids, as those two muscle groups are actually prime injection sites that many (myself included) utilize when doing AAS. 24 gauge syringes are a bit big for my personal taste. 23 gauge are what I use to draw, and as Lav3ga said, using bigger syringes to back-load insulin needles sounds like a great plan to me. You also have the option to draw with the insulin syringes as well, but as they`re notoriously flimsy, I highly recommend back-loading them in order to preserve the sharpness and stability of the insulin syringes. Expect injections to go slower with insulin syringes. And expect a fair amount of pip (post injection pain) with a water-based winstrol suspension.
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J.P. User profile Expert
Insulin syringes are the way to go in my opinion if you`re lean and injecting something with a shorter active half life. That said, 24 gauge can begin to feel like an ice pick during an everyday administration protocol. If you run into any issues using the insulin syringe there are some tricks that I`ve found to work well for most users. Back loading, which was probably mentioned already, cause it always is, works great. You`ll preserve the sharpness of your needle by not pushing through the stopper and many find it easier to achieve their desired dose. However, to do it properly you`ll be using twice as many syringes and needles. One insulin syringe to inject, plus another bigger gauge set up to backfill with everyday. Another option is to use a little heat. Typically I do this by just running the vial under some hot water for several minutes. A hotter product will draw quicker through that tiny insulin needle and the rubber stopper will be more pliable reducing the damage to your needles point. Injection site doesn`t really matter, but make sure it`s one you can get to easily. I find that my larger clients often struggle to reach their glutes and especially deltoids.
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RJB User profile
Agreed, Insulin pin should be good. Just make sure you press hard as stated to get it IM. .. .. Good luck
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anon5_uk User profile Expert
Addition to other commenters: if you are going to load the insulin by pulling the plunger out from the back, do so in a sterilized manner, i. e. be careful what parts you are touching or exposing the compound.
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Can you run this in the same pin with your test and tren ?
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Socaljuicer User profile Expert
Yes, despite the misconception you certainly can inject in the same syringe / shot. The compounds will not mix and might look a bit strange, but this practice is perfectly acceptable.
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Vincent Valentine User profile Expert
Yes, using this in the same pin containing test and tren is perfectly fine regardless of if they`re oil-based or water-based formulas. If the tren and test you`re running are both water-based, this will mix right in; and if they`re oil-based, it won`t mix and will look weird in the pin. But it won`t change the effectiveness and potency of the winstrol in any way. As this winstrol water-based, PIP may be worse. This is due to how quickly water is absorbed by the muscle (or subcutaneous tissue, if you prefer subq injections) but is completely manageable with gentle massage and applied heat.
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evan johnson User profile Expert
Yes if it is an injectable oil-based steroid the answer will be yes, and injectable winstrol is no different.