I ordered test Undecanoate 250 from dragon pharma. Im trying to figure out how much to inject. Can someone point me in the right directions
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JohnCummings User profile
The ester doesn`t affect the dosage much. How much are you looking to do per week? With test undecanoate you probably can get away with once weekly injections. I`d do a double dose first shot because it`s going to take a few weeks to build up in your system and reach peak levels being a long ester. So say to wanted to do 200 mg a week standard trt. You would do 1.6 ml for the first shot. Then .8 ml once a week after that. Hope that helps. Good luck
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Bob Johneser User profile
This is the longest acting ester, so john hit it on the head. A little front load, then once a week. You will most likely want to wait a little longet before starting pct as undecanoate will linger for a good three to four weeks after your last dose.
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Will1 User profile Expert
What dose of testosterone did you run in your last cycle? You`d either do the same dose or up it by 100mg. No reason to ever make a large jump in dose from cycle to cycle as your want to maximally progress at each dose.
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lalatony User profile
I use to take .75 of cypionate weekly. Then I switched to pellets. I tried undeconate (neibedo) Last year in Costa Rica. They said it was 1000ML. Lasted for about 3-4 months. I went back to the pellets but the recovery from the incision this time was 3 weeks. My t is at 150 now. Im disparate and finally this came in last week.
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nickname_311 User profile Expert
I would go for 500 milligrams per week in CID from there you can always bump it up to 750 the second cycle bialy Sara small first cycle see how your body reacts and you can do more with less later on you two up dosages of what you`re doing
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Hey guys. Looking to use test undecanoate for trt. I`m reading what others have said on this site that you need to inject TU weekly?? Everything I`ve read from medical reports says you inject every 10-12 weeks. This is not test E or C this is undecanoate. Where are you guys getting your info?
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Jogger User profile Expert
Or it’s half life is about 20 days so it’s best to inject at least every 10 days, I hope that helps
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Patriot_1234 User profile Expert
Personal opinion: I would shoot Test U weekly for rock solid blood levels. I shoot Test C`s twice a week. I assume you`re self prescribing, you could start out at 150-200mgs/wk, shoot for 4 weeks and get a blood test between shot 4 and shot 5. Adjust from there if necessary. Have plenty on had bro, good luck.
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POOKIE2 User profile
TRT shot schedules vary from doc to doc and person to person. My doc initially prescribed 200 mgs of test c every 14 days (which I was against) and at the end of the 14 days felt sluggish. So we switched to 100 mgs every 7 and now finally do every 5 days. Explained all that to point out “on average” my test levels were exactly the same regardless of pin frequency. What did change BIGTIME was hormone stability. The every 14 day protocol gave higher highs BUT….mega low lows. I was up and down like a rollercoaster in terms of test levels and had more sides. Now with the every 5 day plan all.sides are gone (small bloating, oily skin, etc) and feel fantastic. The right answer in how often you pin test U depends on what feels the best to you. I would start with once a week and adjust as needed. Good luck and stay swole!
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LittleMan User profile
Check the information on a product called Nebido. There`s a large amount of data on this form of Test U. It`s recommended a single injection every 10 to 12 weeks with the injection being 1000mg. However the data shows extreme highs and lows. I would personally inject 100 mg every 5to7 days. I think you`ll feel much better doing that. If it`s the injection that spooks you trust me, after a couple times it`ll be just like showering or shaving. Takes a few minutes but No big deal. Good luck
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JamesEarl User profile Expert
It`s a pretty long acting ester. That means it takes a long time to reach peak levels. Compare it to a jug of water, instead of pouring it out you`re getting a tiny stream flowing until the glass gets full. So you can inject it less often because it will still have a small absorption daily. But like everybody said inject it once per week at least to avoid highs and lows as well as to help the build up. You can look into front loading for long esters for more information too.
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I ordered test undecanoate for TRT, when I got my order 2 of the vials were clear oil, but most were cloudy, some seem to be almost solid or crystalline. They all have the same batch number and exp date. Wondering if this is normal? Is there anything I need to do or will the crystals dissolve?
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Will User profile Expert
Yes, that can be normal. It has to do with conditions the compounds were in and can crystallize in the warehouse or during shipping. All you have to do when it crystallizes is use a hair dryer to heat the oils or place the vials in hot water. They should get back to a clear compound that way.
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Clay User profile
I would suggest they most probably got cold during transit. Put them in a bowl of warm water and the crystals should dissipate. Give them a shake and should be good to go. Color variation is normal within reason.
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Nickname_735 User profile
Never inject hot oil. First heat the viles in a pan of water not over boiling. Let cool for some time and the ester should be dispersed again.
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Atom User profile
Sounds like they fell out of solution from low temperatures. Basically the hormones are dissolved in oil for injection, when they get cold they undissolve/ fall out of solution. I use hot water in a bowl and just set the vials in the bowl with the tops above water when it happens to me. Roll the vials between your palms to mix the solution after heating and your good to go. Dont go hotter then hot water as it will ruin the compound
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JD Cycle User profile Expert
Just needs to be warmed and shaken a bit. This is not that severe of an issue. I personally use a hair dryer on low and shake occasionally.
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Johnny Longsockz User profile
Pretty normal but run it under hot water and it might mix it back together and clear it up
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I used this product years ago in the oral form, I mistakenly thought it was testoviron but the more i think about it it was either andriol or android gel gaps. Anyhow, the big selling point of this compound was that it did not interrupt normal male testosterone production. It was expensive because of this single feature and frankly I`m not sure how this could be, but the point is that is what their studies showed this apparently, I have never heard of that claim being debunked and I pay attention. I actually used it, it was available in the US for a short time early 2000 i think. Anyhow, when franklin6 asks a question if he can use it during PCT and 4 people waste space and parrot that this should not be used during PCT because it will affect your ability to produce test, you guys are just putting out the same bad info over and over. I mean why? Did you even look at the product he`s talking about, in the description it clearly says “does not affect normal testosterone production” I understand $2, and I respect the hustle but I try not to comment if I have no experience with the product. I understand that it seems strange to use any drug during PCT but Franklin6 has his reasons, and if you are going to use any hormones- this would be the one to use. I try to remain open and teachable and I certainly don`t know it all, but I learn from this site and it gets under my skin when people parrot bad info over and over, if I am wrong by all means show me the light. I`ve been on this site more then I ever have been lately because i`m watching 4 orders, maybe that`s my problem lol.
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EDubz User profile
You arr absolutely correct. Id day 80% of the answers are people coppying what thr 1st person said and just running with that, wich is bullshit. If you don`t have knowledge about the question being asked then you shouldn`t say anything you should only reply to a question if you are a hundred percent positive you have good information about the question being asked not just say anything just to get the $2 if you want the $2 that bad and you don`t know anything about the question at least Google it and get real information about the question being asked before you just repeat what you read on the answer before
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Bob User profile
But what you want other people to comment, if they want to say the same thing? I think that saying same thing few times is sometimes good, because you can be ensured that most of people think that (or as you said, copy the first comment
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seoulmates User profile
You do have some validity to your comment. However I think for the most part people give decent answers. Just copy the tracking number down so you don`t have to login everytime to track them. This might help you. Also, some people get alot more than 2 for their answer. Some get 10 a pop.
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Stan User profile
If there was a product that could AUGMENT your natural testosterone production without suppressing it, then EVERYONE would be using it rather than taking exogenous test and getting shut down. I too have done my reading, and this product doesn`t exist.
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Matthew User profile
I hear you brothers! But y`all know that you are in a clandescent site and using clandescent gear right? Some do give shitting answers but most of the time it`s rally decent answers. You just can`t hate those that think that they know it all. Honestly, when they gave the answers they might think it was correct! I just listen and see what makes sense. You got a god heart that`s why it is bugging you. But all is good!
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nickname_256 User profile Expert
There are some mistakes in the descriptions here and there on every site. When in the description says it does not effect body natural production, that`s simply is a mistake. Test is test, the only difference between this product and lets say test e is the ester and when liver breaks them down the end molecule in both cases is testosterone. If you pin this its going to attach to your receptors and when androgen receptors are saturated with test why would body send signal for more test production? That`s why you don`t take any AAS during the pct. Some people take primo, var or dbol but even those are suppressive enough to delay pct.
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Can a person use this during PCT or no?
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mchilds User profile
No. Any test will diminished your natural production and make your pct basically useless. Pct is when you are off everything to get natural test levels back to Normal.
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Zach Linder User profile Expert
Why do a PCT if you plan on running compounds? It doesn`t make sense
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Dr Scott User profile Expert
I`ve used this years ago, the gel caps with no great effects I realize that you are talking about the injectable but same same. I think it was called Testoviron. It is used mostly today for only TRT because it does not effect your own testosterone production to any appreciable degree. It`s been so long that I cant remember why that is, maybe someone else will know. Anyhow that is irrelevant, you could absolutely use this during PCT for the reasons I stated above but I`m not sure why you would want to, and I have never heard of anyone doing this but why not. Again, the stuff I used was expensive and not terribly effective
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Z05 User profile
No man this is still a compound, PCT is to get your test levels back to normal so in other words PCT is after your done with everything so you don’t take anything anymore. I think you might want to do a bit of more research and think it througg
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swoleville User profile
No sir. You`re not in pct if you`re still injecting gear
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nickname_957 User profile
no i would not use this on pct
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Hi. I am on a self-medicated TRT/cruise cycle. I would like to pin only once a month as I travel for work pretty often. Is the Undecanoate ester good for that? And how how many cc per injection? Thank you!
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Will User profile Expert
No ester will last in your system a whole month with just 1 injection. The best you could get away with is Test C that`s in your system for 2 weeks. Down side of injecting once every 2 weeks would be the rising and falling blood levels. You`d never have stable blood levels and your sense of well being and test levels will suffer. Would go on PCT and work on restoring your natural levels until you`re done with the traveling.
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N88 User profile
A month is a long time. Actual trt docs have up to 4 week protocols but the highs and lows will cause more sides vs once a week shots. No ester is good for that but undeca does add 5 or 6 more days of half life. So if we call it 15 days half life and you shoot 250 mgs 30 days later you`ll have 62.5 mgs left in your system….300 mgs will leave 75 mgs at the 30 day mark and so on. So yes you can do it but your highs and lows will have a huge difference
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LongIslandBEAST User profile
You will be lucky to get away with once a week and if you plan to do that test decoanate is the one to use but once a month is simply not feasabile. If that was a thing we would all be doing it. Pin every week at least for stable blood levels. Otherwise you will yo-yo and have spikes and valleys and those valleys will be no testosterone zones that will yield some bad side effects like depression and just not a good idea generally. I would suggest you just suck it up and pin twice a week for your own health benefit. I am a very busy guy myself and often travel and have never found it difficult to do what you need to do if you take the time to plan.
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Massgains User profile
I’m Sorry my friend but one month is a little steep you need to pin at least once a week in even if it is undecanoate the longest acting esters in order to keep stable blood levels you need to stay on this one week good luck
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ViktorN User profile
Once a week is the longest you can pin yourself. My recommendation is to find ways to bring the syringes and gear with you. Research location where you are staying. Insulin needles can be purchase over the counter. Pin yourself in the deltoid. If it’s in the states I would totally bring an unlabeled vial and insulin needles. If it’s outside the states I would bring just the vial or transfer it to a different sterile container. But if you travel somewhere without a gym why even bother pinning? You can use all the gear you want you won’t get to your goal. I guess when there’s a will there’s a way’ so good luck my friend!! And be safe out there!
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Vincent Valentine User profile Expert
Oh god I wish! Like everyone else said, there`s no form of testosterone in existence that only requires one injection per month. Based on your other question I`d advise doing research and perhaps even consulting with a doctor before trying to self-prescribe TRT, especially if you travel a lot for work. It requires diligence, discipline, tests (bloodwork), and most importantly, time to get it right – not to mention the potential need for AI`s like arimidex to combat excess estrogen buildup from the injections. Also, no one here could tell you the exact amount of testosterone you`ll need to keep your testosterone in normal healthy TRT ranges. Everyone reacts differently. Not even a doctor could tell just by looking at you. Again, it requires diligent monitoring, testing, and trial-and-error experience. I`d rethink it and maybe consider talking to a doctor first.
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I`m assuming this would be “Nebido” correct? For TRT Purposes (I have been on TRT for ten years…. fluctuate between 150-300 mg a week depending on how my body feels) what would be a good TRT dose and how often? Have you gotten any feedback from others regarding how they feel from a longer acting ester like this? Mood, libido, estrogen, etc? How would you suggest incorporating any arimidex or hcg along with this during TRT? Any feedback is greatly appreciated! Thanks
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Matthew User profile
If you are STRICTLY using the testosterone for trt uses then follow your physicians directions. He will know where the best stable level is to keep your testosterone at that is most healthy for you. If you want to kind of just cruise in a way so you are doing it for slight body enhancement as well as just testosterone replacement, I would use 250mg test enthanate or cypionate once a week. Maximum I would do 250mg of either per week if you only want very moderate mostly trt like results not bodybuilding results. It really depends on your goals. For overal wellnes I suggest 250mg a week of a long ester, body enhancement 500mg a week+.
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N88 User profile
Matt nailed it but wanted to add…if you are only concerned about mood, libido and how you feel, you need to find the very least amount of test to provide this. Standard starting TRT protocol by a TRT doc normally starts you at 100 mgs a week to get you in a 400 – 800 blood work result range–then after next bloods they adjust accordingly. if you decide on your own to go higher and get above a 1200 forever there are consequences such as increased PSA, red blood cells, estrogen, etc.
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Ryan Owe User profile
You should avoid doing any AI unless absolutely necessary there are a lot of negative side effects that accompany AIs. You can also tank your estrodiol levels. Even as a male your body uses estrogen. You can experience a lot of joint pain and at the worst joint damage. Estrogen also play a part in gaining muscle. You need to do blood work at least every 3-4 months and more frequent if you are running a blast cycle.
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Dan J User profile
You just answered your question in regards to good TRT dosages… 150-300 mg. You won`t feel any different per-se on different ester. I guess more convenient since you don`t need to pin as often. No AI needed, you are on therapeutic dosages, your estrogen should be naturally in normal range at those dosages. hCG you may add if you wish, but do note that it aromatizes, so perhaps AI will be needed at that point, but you are reaching above therapeutic dosages too if you are going to stack hCG with TRT.
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nickname_537 User profile
Im on trt. My doctors and a few different ones not once ever prescribed over 200mg test cyp or enenthate per week. Just felt not one thing off of it. I think some require more if you`re bigger/younger etc (a 70 yr old might be fine eith 200mg/wk but a guy in his late 40s might need double is my reasoning). Regardless I`d say 500mg/wk is a decent cycle for a newbie or even one whose cycled for a couple years. As per ai, i never ever used one nor did i ever need to. Not everyone is estrogen prone and you might not be either. Unless you need an ai don`t use it because men need some estrogen for normal bodily function too and did you know that steroids and testosterone which is also considered a steroid only works optimally with enough estrogen floating around in your body? Anyway unless youre experiencing man boobs or other obvious symptoms from excess estrogen then why bother adding other unneeded chemicals witj more expenses involved only to ruin your hormonal equilibrium? Only people who really need an ai should use it.
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Swoll,onthe,low User profile
So on test for trt dosing your estrogen will be slightly high but not bad so take arimidex at.5mg EOD should be just right