Does this leave you guys a little swollen after injecting into your glutes? I`ve done test before it didn`t leave anything?
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EQhead User profile Expert
Funny you ask because I just did my first pin of this this morning. No PIP at all for me. My glute feels like I didn`t even do a shot. I pinned 1ml and will do that daily, alternating areas of both glutes. I did get a cough immediately after shot which subsided after a few minutes. Cheers
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Winning13 User profile
In my opinion most of all PIP at least from the gear on 24roids is do to how fast you push the gear in and really comes down to personal injections. I have had no PIP with the same gear but a pushed the gear in faster than last time and vice-a-versa. It really depend on you! GL
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Alec User profile
I`ve had PIP and no PIP during the same cycle. First 6 weeks I was pushing 1ml a day and had no issues. But then I upped the dose and was pushing just as fast, and then I started to have some issue with PIP, but only for about a week or so. Could just be how your body is responding to it. Everyone`s different. I do know, after I had my first experience with swelling, I started using an ice pack and massaging the spot for about 5 mins after each pin and that seemed to help. Good luck man!
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Jason123 User profile
It`s hard to say what will give you pip. I`ve used a product and had no pip. Then get a different batch of the same product and get pip. Too many variables to know what will give you pip.
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Nickname577 User profile
The faster acting esters are more prone to give PIP, I rotate between injecting quads and delts. I get pip in quads but not in delts.. try injecting slower, massage the oil in for a few mins. Or try a different injection site if that doesn`t help..
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.50 caliber User profile
ive use this stuff before and have gotten pip and swollen up at times and others times ive gotten nothing, like the tren cough somtimes i get it somtimes i dont. i trhink it has alot to do with what you hit going in with the pin and not so much the product
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Over several years, I`ve done several strong prohormone cycles, several SARM cycles, and three oral anavar cycles. My last anavar cycle was about two years ago. Finishing an 8 week Ligandrol cycle at 15mg/day in a few days. Will do a thorough PCT, but also planning my next cycle for a 3-5 months from now.Considering this for my first IM. Comments or Recommendations?
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POOKIE User profile
Ran a few of the same cycles you`re describing, but for your first gear gear cycle I`d run just 500 mgs of test for 12 weeks. Jumping into test, tren and mast as your first IM cycle is too quick in my opinion. LGD was my favorite SARM by far…lots of strength and muscle gains. Good luck
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EQhead User profile Expert
Save the Cut Mix for another cycle since you don`t know how you`ll react toTren, but when you do try Tren definitely use Tren Ace as it leaves your system much faster than Tren E. Tren sides can make you miserable if you`re prone to them. For your first cycle just do Test E or C at 300 to 500mg a week, split dose for 10 weeks. After you know how you respond to Test you can add other compounds in another cycle. Get some Arimidex in case you`re prone to gyno. Better to have it on hand not need it than need it and not have it.
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EQhead User profile Expert
Save the Cut Mix for another cycle since you don`t know how you`ll react toTren, but when you do try Tren definitely use Tren Ace as it leaves your system much faster than Tren E. Tren sides can make you miserable if you`re prone to them. For your first cycle just do Test E or C at 300 to 500mg a week, split dose for 10 weeks. After you know how you respond to Test you can add other compounds in another cycle. Get some Arimidex in case you`re prone to gyno. Better to have it on hand not need it than need it and not have it.
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Branko User profile
I would definitely run test only for first im cycle. Run it 4-500mg weekly and use test-e or test-c so you don`t have to pin every day. Go for 12 weeks. You`ll need 3 vials at that dose, and you won`t use all the third. Just because you`ll get a better deal, and this sounds like a lifestyle your into, you should take advantage of buy 5 get 1 free, so you have enough for a future cycle, and you can run it again the same, or even add 1 compound to it. Since you have experience with var, you can add that, or something a little stronger like t-bol to kickstart. You`ll get awesome gains from test alone though. If this is helpful, don`t forget to vote!
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How do you implement this with test cy or can it stand alone as a cycle in its self? In other words what is the best way to implement this correctly. I`m not a pro builder and not cycled in years but want to get back to fight weight and beat back this Dad bod.
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nickname_88 User profile
I actually ran this same stack for multiple cycles but it was GP`s Andromix.. it is a great stack and it gets you ripped.. On your question of adding test cup along with.. totally up to you.. some will say no need since it has test prop in but I did the same thing your thinking of.. I ran this pinned every other day while also running an extra dose of DP`s testo blend 350 for added test.. personally I like the longer esters better.. so yes you can add in cup but just watch your dosing.. you`re already getting test prop with the stack so figure your correct dosing with the cyp so you`re not going crazy high with test all around..
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traianos123 User profile
If u use this stack u dont need to pin other testosterone because this have already in its composition testosterone. Because of the ester attached, propionate, u need to pin often, if u will use other compounds with enanthate ester attached will be enough to pin twice per week, in my opinion is better to buy the gear separate so like this u can change the dosages, u can adjust the dosages as u like.
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nickname_464 User profile
I really enjoy this stack and yes it can stand alone. The only problem is it requires every day or every other day iij injection. I found it easiest to do 2cc every other day. If its your first time in a while though I`d recommend 1cc every other day. To top it off I add Winny 20 to 40mg a day for the last 4 to 6 weeks. Great product with great results. Best of luck mate.
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Lord User profile
I ran the aster labs version of this and I started out using 2 cc EOD. Eventually I went to 1 cc every day and towards the end bumped it up to 2 cc every day. You can use this as a stand-alone but if you wanted a little extra test I wouldn`t go more than 500 mgs extra per week.
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JAMMIN978 User profile
Honestly if your looking for the results this would give you I would suggest getting separately test cyp 250 and tren e 200. You can run 1 cc 2x weekly instead of injecting every day. not only does that cut down the amount of injections but also the cost because a bottle is lasting much longer. Also will give you the same results.
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Cyclone User profile Expert
With the place you are at, you should avoid this advanced product because it contains trenbolone. Since you receptors are renewed from years off, just build your way back up with basic cycles… test, test + tbol, test + eq, etc.
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So is this 3 in one? Also how many servings/usages for this vial? Please help, thanks guys!
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JB205 User profile Expert
Its 10 shot per bottle if you do 1ml shots. I ran 1ml every third day and it was awesome. I would add test cyp or E with it for better results.
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JD Cycle User profile Expert
All vials are 10ml and the usage of it depends on how much you pin. If you did 1ml EOD, this would get you roughly 20 calendar days worth. But if you run this, you`ll also need to pick up some caber for prolactin and an ai for estrogen sides, as well as a full PCT. I would ensure you have several cycles under your belt before you ever try tren though.
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.50 caliber User profile
yes its 50 mg of each test p,tren a and mast p. if doing 1 ml per pin its 10 pins
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Roid_Head User profile Expert
This vial contains 500mg of test p, mast p and tren ace, 1500mg all together. To make it simple, two of this would euqal to one vial test p, one vial of mast p and one vial of tren ace.
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Will User profile Expert
This is a 3 in 1 blend. It`s a test, tren, and Mast blend as the description says. It`s fast acting esters, so you`ll need to inject every other day. The dose you want to inject in a weekly basis will depend how fast you work your way through a vial. If you don`t have much experience with AAS, then running a small dose will make the vials last longer. If you`ve cycled several times, you`ll need a higher dose and you`ll need to purchase a bunch.
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nickname_21 User profile Expert
Theres 10 servings. I would do 1cc per day that would last you 10 days. That would come out to 350 mg per week of each compound at that dosage you will see incredible results wether you are cutting or bulking. You can also opt for 1/2cc per day or 1cc everyother day. This dosage would be great for a first time user on a cut with a calorie deficit and once bodyfat gets lower the muscles will shine like never before. At that dosage thays 20dayz. Mayne on the next cycle up it to 1cc per day hope this helps
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I`m going to run a cut stack for the first time. Ingredients are as listedTestosterone Propionate 1000mgTrenbolone Acetate 1000mgDrostanoione Propionate 1000mgCut stack 300mg 10ml How long should I cycle it, how much a injections and often. Also any other tips would definitely be appreciated. Thank you in advance.
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Nickname_443 User profile
Anyone opting for Drostanoione Propinate over Metenolone enanthate Primobalan for cutting is price motivated. You usually cut post bulk but you leave much out. Post bulk most cut the testosterone to about 200-300mg per week, any lower raises the risk of injury. You can cycle this for a few short weeks and run HCG at 500iu 3X per week followed with PCT of Clomid 100mg per day for 30days Tamoxifen 10mg twice daily and of course continued HCG.
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Alex User profile
Since they are all shorter esters you would need to inject every other day. And tren ace is usually everyday for me. I definitly Wouldnt recomend 1000 mg, or any of this at all for a beginner. If this is your first time only use testosterone.
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nickname_21 User profile Expert
Well I would run 1 cc per day and run it 10 weeks. I would eat at a 500 calorie deficit and every week go more into a deficit. Cardio clean food if you already have the muscle they will shine after loosing 10 or so pounds maybe 15.
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Lord User profile
If you can run 1000mgs of tren longer than 6 weeks then hats off to you. The highest I pushed this was 2cc everyday for 6 weeks. If this is your first time the. I would do 1cc everyday or 2cc every other day.
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skitt User profile
Not sure, what info you are trying to give us in your question with the whole 1000 mgs of anything.. Unless your trying to do math as to whats all in 1 10ml bottle or if thats what you want to run weekly, I dont know.. If its weekly then I feel sorry for your body as that will not last long with sides affects that you would get,, lol Now you mention cut stack 300 mg 10 ml.. I believe that Aaster Pharma is the only lab here that has a cut stack with those esters in it at a 100 mg per compound dose .. being the Hyper Ripped XL 300.. So again not quit sure what you are meaning BUT if you are doing a normal cut stack compound like 150 then as a beginner of this compound I would start out at a 1/2 ml per day for first couple weeks and see how that treats ya and if you handle it no problem bump it up to 1 ml per day… You could do EOD but I believe you will have even steadier blood levels if done daily.. Duration could be 8 to 10 weeks… a lot of people like to add a little extra test in with this as well cause of the ratio with tren.. dont have to but just an idea… Make sure your diet is on point for cutting and grab some Caber to have on hand if you have sides from the Tren… Plus have your pct lined up for when you come off.. research a bit more though please… and good luck
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RJB16 User profile
Agree with above 1cc ED and run for 10 weeks and you will be good…
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Took the advice of my peers ordered more for a full cycle its my first time running short esters always stayed away from them went with longer ones to pin less but liked this mic so wanted to give it a shot . that said curiosity as got me think how long till you feel the effects with the longer esters ?
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BABA User profile
You should start to feel the short esters within a couple of weeks. For the long esters it`s around 4-6 weeks until most of them reach full effects.
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Zach Linder User profile Expert
I prefer short esters, it`s much easier for me to maintain blood levels. ED injections aren`t bad….you should feel the effects from this blend in a couple of weeks. Good luck man, you can make a lot of good progress with this blend
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seoulmates User profile
The short esters start working working immediately however you might not feel or see the effects until the 2nd week. They are excellent and considered by many to be more effective that longer esters. Once you get used to pinning everyday its not that bad. Lookup quad injections that will help you cope with ED or EOD injections.
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mchilds User profile
Should be a week or two but it depends on what you`re using (test, tren, deca). Try rotating spots. I switch cheeks every other day without problems
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Durdy D User profile
I personally prefer blends because they have short and long esters both. I usually pin every 3rd day and feel a nice little kick by the 3rd pin so that`s around day 9, and then continue to cruise on the effects for at least 2-3 weeks after my last pin. Hope this helps bud!
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nickname_537 User profile
I think it depends. Sometimes at first I`d feel short esters like in 30 minutes or less no joke. Some in a few days man. I honestly think it depends on the person and their body chemistry to be honest.
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Just ordered I`m planning on doing 1ml Eod till I`m finished with the vial so ruffly 20 days I would say also running test c at 125mg a week (my trt dose ) . any suggestions appreciated wanna make sure this is a good way to go !
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NPCLIFE User profile
It would help if you mentioned what your goals are. What are you looking to do? 20 days is not enough. 10 weeks is a good cycle to start with. You won’t see any results in 20 days. If you go on cycle bring your TRT dose up to 500. Then back to your 125 when off cycle. Lift hard and be safe
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Skuchie User profile
20 days is just shy of 3 weeks, and that`s well short of the length of a proper cycle. You should consider running this compound for at least 8 weeks, and also upping your TRT dose to 300-400mg per week.
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Dr Scott User profile Expert
I like the blends and I like this particular blend. I know lots of guys don`t like blends but I`m not going to go into McDonald`s and suggest a way to make a better hamburger. I have the same philosophy when it comes to blends and the manufactures that create them. I have to assume that the company that produces these products and feed their kids from the sale of said product knows more then I. Plus they are just easier and usually a little more cost effective. Anyhow, come on man 20 days is not enough, either do this or dont do this but dont be a pussy– you open yourself up to a potential for side effects with almost no potential for positive gains. Me personally I inject this product every third day ( I understand test P, but lab values show that every 3 days is fine…for me), don`t forget this product contains Tren. When I do Tren i keep it at the lowest doses (100-200mg q week). You sound a bit new, which is fine but i would never suggest Tren at any dose for a newcomer. But I am no ones mother and have learned my best lessons from my fails, so rock on but at the very least stretch the cycle from 20 days to 10 to 15 weeks.
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Zach Linder User profile Expert
20 days will not be enough time…these compounds will just start taking effect. you should atleast be 8 – 10 weeks for this at the shortest IMO.. Rethink this cycle through…1ml EOD is not a crazy dose..this dose is up to you, but if you are unfamilar with these compounds or how they might interact with each other, this could be a good dose to start. Good luck
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RJB16 User profile
Need more then 20 day cycle, Also as stated would be good to know what yours stats and goals are….
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Juice24roids User profile Expert
This would be a very safe and mild cycle with minimal sides but also minimal benefits/gains. Consider running a full cycle (12 weeks) and no PCT needed if remaining on TRT. Good luck and good question.
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I just got this stack and was wondering, do I need to take this 30 mins before my workout or am I good with taking this a couple mins before I begin my workout?
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michael patsalou User profile
Msg take them 30 mins pre workout on empty stomach
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Acfit User profile
Even though these are short esters, you won’t notice anything for a couple weeks. Needs to take some time to get in your system. It doesn’t work right away. Also, with these esters, you will need to inject at least 3 times a week to keep blood levels stable, since the half life is about 3.5 days. Once it’s fully in your system, an hour before you workout would be a good idea.
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Fllera User profile
Their half life`s are a day. so you can inject them in the morning. It does not have to be right before workout.
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anon5_uk User profile Expert
You don`t need to time it to anything, just take it at the same time of the day so that it is more convenient to remember to inject it. None of the compounds that are in the stack are pre-workout time dependent. I guess you could inject 30 mins before to get that placebo extra boost.
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N88 User profile
You can take it anytime. Injectables won`t make a difference when you inject it.
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Mr and Mrs J User profile
Yoi can take it at any time in the day. The half life isn`t that short
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Along with taking this stack at 1cc every other day, should I take the adex and caber every other day as well? And what would be the best PCT for this stack?
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nickname_574 User profile
First you need to figure out how sensitive you are to estrogen, and the only way you really know is by doing a cycle. I wouldn`t jump in front of it by taking anit estrogens, I would start taking them until I start seeing signs of bloating and if the bloating didn`t go away slowly up the dose from there. Same thing with caber, if you shut it down too much it can kill sex drive for months, but the thing is you might not even need it. See how your body reacts to it first. PCT is post cycle , you can take HCG while you are on cycle to keep your testicles working until 1 week after you last injection, some people start taking clomid and nolva but based on my experience they are not necessary. Stop taking HCG all together 1 week after your last injection until your body takes over the natural production and since testicles are up it would rebound quickly.
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Mike Jones User profile Expert
With this stack I’d say . 5mg of adex every other day, with caber the half life is 3 days so . 5mg every 3 days should be sufficient to keep prolactin down. You should be taking hcg from the start of the cycle at 250iu twice a week to keep your testicular-pituitary axis functioning instead of having to restart it during pct, for pct you should run nolva at 40/40/20/20
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N88 User profile
Looking at this stack 1 ML EOD would equal per week 175 test prop, 175 masteron and 175 tren A right? It really doesnt breakdown exact concentrations but does list Masteron at 50 mgs per the one cc so assume the others are also 50 each to equal the total 150 mgs per ml. Anyway if this is the case no need for an AI since masteron offsets estrogen and regardless 175 of test prop a week is super super low dose. .. .like trt dose and you wouldnt need an AI anyway. Also 175 mgs of tren A is also very light and caber might not be needed. i recommend having the AI and Caber on hand before you start the cycle but really if you are only shooting 1ml EOD i dont think you need any of it. Again have on hand and if you start getting sides then start the cycle support at low low doses.
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Micheal Ervin User profile
Adex at . 5-1mg eod and caber . 25-. 5mg every 3 days, you should run a standard pct of nolva for 5-6 weeks with hcg during cycle at 250iu twice a week
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nickname_963 User profile
The arimidex should be taken every other day at . 5mg. Take the cabergoline every 3 days at . 25mgs. This combo should keep the prolactin down while on this moderate cycle.
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evan johnson User profile Expert
Yes you should start off with . 5mg adex and . 5mg caber eod as well. For PCT take 50mg clomid and 20mg nolva for 6-8 weeks after your cycle ends.
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I purchased this product and on the bottle it states the normal ingredients are Benz B, Benz A, and Seasm. Seed Oil. Then it states 150mg/ml but never states the stack. Is the stack really in there ?
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N88 User profile
The stack is test p, dros p and tren ace. Looks like its 50/50/50 but to make sure jump on thier website or shoot the lab a message on what`s the compound strengths.
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Micheal Ervin User profile
The stack is gonna be 150mg of combined 50mg test prop50mg mast prop50mg tren ace
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Mike Jones User profile Expert
I believe this stack should be 50testp/50mastp/50trena. But as you stated I couldn’t find any concrete label even on their website, I’d email their customer support and they should be able to give you a clear answer
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RJB User profile
50 Testp/ 50 Mastp/ 50/ Tren a// Shoot an Email as MJ said and they will help you.
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Lav3ga User profile Expert
It`s 50 50 50 of the above compounds. It`s a ugl man, they don`t lable it for customs issues. A lazy customs officer will let it slide thru, over taking the time to test the unlabeled product.
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Don O User profile Expert
The Cut Stack 150 contains 50mg of test prop, 50mg of tren ace, and 50mg of masteron prop per ml of solution working out to a total of 150mg per ml, and yes theyre all in there.
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How long of a cycle would you recommend running this for?
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Mike Jones User profile Expert
Anywhere from 8-12 weeks depending on your bf% goals etc.. most cutting cycles run 8-16 weeks depending on dosages and where you need to be and how long you have. I would run this for 12 weeks and add in tbol the first6 weeks and run Masteron along with it, and don’t forget adex and caber just to be on the safe side.
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T-dog User profile
Like Mike Jones has said, 8-12 weeks with an ai & caber on hand in case you need them.
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For a beginner.. how would you dose this?
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Math User profile
1cc every other day. Your can even warm up the vial by placing it in hot water (not too hot or boiling) so it absorbs better too.
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Mike Jones User profile Expert
Like he said 1 cc every other day. But don’t forget your adex and caber when running a tren stack.
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Dan Drought User profile
1-2cc`s 3x per week
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T-dog User profile
Like everyone has said, 1cc 3-4x/week. Have an ai & caber on hand just in case.