Hey guys I`m starting my Tren a and test p cycle. I`m thinking test at 500 a week and Tren at 200 but I heard that Ed is the best way to go. Thoughts and what doses for the 7 day week?
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AnthonyChung User profile
why put your tren so low? Ideally it should be equal to or greater than your test.
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Patriot_1234 User profile Expert
Shooting daily will yield the most stable blood levels, but shooting EOD can be just as good as well. I`ve done both and I just prefer longer esters. I`m gonna go out on a limb and guess you`re somewhat new to the game with this level of question, if that`s true 1) Don`t do Tren. It`ll be a waste this early and 2) Are you really ready to be a pin cushion? I bet you`ll be sick of sticking yourself by week 3. Not trying to be a know-it-all by any means. I`d like to give you better advice that aligns with your vision. Reply with your cycle history, stats, and goals. Lots of good resources on this site to tap into. Good luck bro and keep the questions going people are here to help.
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JB205 User profile Expert
EOD to pin will still keep levels stable and give injection site time to absorb oil fully before pinning again. If this is your first time dealing with Tren, do not increase from the dose of 200mg weekly until you know how you react to sides. Tren is a more harsh gear when it comes to sides, so I wouldn`t run it higher than your test and have caber ready if needed.
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Jason123 User profile
ED or EOD will be fine. Good choice starting the tren at 200 mg. I`ve ran 700 mg a week and got no sleep and turned mean as shit. Use 300 mg a week now with no sides and get just as hard and vascular.
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crazy Dan User profile Expert
ED is too many times IMO! Shoot this is the long game. You going to run out of spots to pin after 10 years! And it`s not necessary! eod and ed is practically the same thing. The blood serum level (peaks) of the gear is almost the same therefore plateauing in similar range. Just believe me…you feel the same. That said, test should always be higher than tren. Similarly test should always be higher the deca. I recommend you pin testP at 150mg and trenA at 50mg eod. This will give you testP at 525mg per week and trenA at 175mg per week. With eod pins you can wait one day and “feel” how you react with the gear at that dose and adjust according after 2 days. Meaning you can lower test or tren with respect to sides. If you feel good you can bump it up. i would recommend you stay on course until a week before you adjust doses Unless it`s a negative sides. Also pinning TrenA at low dose is a good way to prevent sides but still gain its effect on you. I think this cycle is solid! Have arimidex, nolva, and caber in hand before you start. Don`t forget clomid for pct as well. Good luck buddy! Don`t forget to vote.
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Love input on cycle:10 WeeksTest P 500 a weekTren A 300 a weekWinstrol 50mg a dayDbol 50mg a dayArimidex .5mg a dayHGH 3IU (plan on 6 months)
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EQhead User profile Expert
You`ll get great results if you put in the work at the gym. Just run the Winny for 6 weeks though. I`m starting a similar cycle next month of Test P 350mg, Tren A 300, Mast P 350 and Winny 50/day. Deca 150mg for joint pain while on Winny. Arimidex and Caber as needed. Ive been on hgh 3iu for 6mos and have leaned out a lot. Plus there`s a lot more leniency with diet.
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ScottDeWees User profile
I do get joint pain but was under the understanding you dont mix Tren and Deca????
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Will User profile Expert
We will need more information to be able to advise you on a cycle and give feedback. What is your cycle history? What compounds have you used and what was the max dose? What is your goal?
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ScottDeWees User profile
I have done several cycles all around this:
Cycle Length: 8 weeks
Weeks 1-8/10: 100 mg Test Prop100 taken every other day
Weeks 1-8/10: 100 mg Tren Acetate taken every other day
Weeks 3-8/10: 40 mg Stan 10 per day
Sometimes Anavar instead of Winstrol
Added Super Ripped last year
My goal is to add a little more lean mass and mass that will stay. I fluctuate 30-40 pounds a year and the above stack along with a very strict diet and nice workout w weights and cardio get me back down (250/215)
Had Shoulder and bicep surgery in August of last year and really have done little since then, though started dieting and doing light cardio to have a base before next cycle.
Have not done Deca, Dbol or Equpouse in several years….
Thanks in advance for sharing your knowledge!
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ScottDeWees User profile
And have NOT done HgH before…
Also, looking to for relief with joint pain Ive noticed the last 2 years
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Jrawk User profile
Why run both winny and dbol? Dbol will ruin the look you get from winny. Imo just run the winny for a shred and run dbol for a bulk. Besides that you`re gtg.
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Patriot_1234 User profile Expert
Will is on point. Reply with goals, stats and cycle history for real advice. But just the obvious, way too much anastrolzole for 500mgs Test and 50mgs Dbol. Running 0.5mgs on shot days would be a safe starting point and assess from there. If you start with the Dbol and polish the last 3 weeks with the winstrol, I don`t see a problem but you need to be lean dude. Running any “drying” DHT`s with even a moderate BF% will just help make your arms, delts, etc be dryer looking but the rest of you will more or less the same. Not worth it IMO, but others can feel however they want. I`d have cabergoline on hand. Good luck and don`t forget to vote.
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Google longest tren ace cycle and you`ll see many have used it non stop or perhaps for a year or more even at rather high doses like 700mg per week. If tren ace is so dangerous how come none reported serious irreversible side effects?
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Unc33135 User profile
Well just because u can do something doesnt mean its a good idea. Some people can drink alcohol everyday and never have serious health problems from it while others develop serious liver problems. Its really just a matter of you want to roll the dice. While there may be cases of people saying theyve done it with no irreversible side effects, you could probably find as many articles with people saying the opposite. Everyones different. Better safe then sorry though in my opinion.
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Big Jake User profile
I just started using tren-ace and really love it. I stopped when my gyms closed but honestly, it agreed with me and I made some amazing progress with it in only 4-5 weeks. I think using it long term might have a very detrimental effect for your liver and kidneys. The benefits of most cycles of AAS are best seen and enjoyed after PCT when the cycle is over. One thing that worries me the most with extended use of tren is enlargement of the heart. The heart is a muscle that`s always working, all AAS can have this effect to some extent. I don`t know it for a fact but I`ll wager a 6-12 month cycle of tren would accomplish this with some certainty. Tren was designed to beef up cattle for the slaughter originally. The overall goal of a cycle should be to wind up bigger, stronger and healthier overall than when you started. Sacrificing long term health for short term gains is a trap that many fall into. Better to play the long game with training and cycles of AAS. Best wishes! Good question.
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S-C-J User profile
A compound cannot be deemed “safe” just because it doesn`t produce immediate serious health consequences. How about smoking, which takes decades to manifest into problems? Unlike testosterone, Tren does have health effects, some of which can take decades to materialize (stroke, myocardial infarction and pulmonary embolism).
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RecoveryProject User profile
Hello Benny; that is an interesting point. However something to note is that a lot of these drugs cause issues, that later cause issues. For example, Tren, along with many other steroids, causes damage to the endothelium of our arteries. At such high doses you can be sure that such cardiovascular injury is bound to occur. In that event, such damage does not kill the person right away. However such damage certainly shortens that persons life span considerably, leaving him much more prone to things like CAD and MI at a younger age than normal.
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jason User profile
There`s all kinds of bodybuilders that have done crazy insane cycles for years on end and never had any problems until they are older and start having health issues. Some smoke cigarettes for 25 years no problem then cry on their death bed with lung cancer about how stupid they were.
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nickname_21 User profile Expert
Who would report it? Tren will give you long lasting irreversible side effects if abused. Those same people aren`t telling you the side effects they have had or what it had done to their heart or kidneys they probably dont even know uh untill one day they are 50 years old and have a heart attack. And plus I ll tell you that more isnt always better. You can only grow so much perday. That comes with the calories I can run 750mg of tren a day and eat at maintence and i wont gain a pound or i could use 200mg of tren per week and eat 500 calories per day above maintence and grow a pound a week easy. The only ones that may need to run it that high is a pro that is over 265lbs stage wieght and they are trying to get to 270 12 months later stage wieght along with several other drugs. But for gym rats dont kill your self cycle on cycle of keep it reasonable live longer
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Brothers, Not a big fan of Tren E but I love Tren Ace. Can we please get some votes so We can stock up Tren Ace as well?NVD007
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B Rad User profile Expert
No problem, consider my vote cast for tren a, I tend to lean acetate over enanthate myself, just easier to get it going and then pull the plug when its over.
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Kevin User profile
Need to stock up on the tren ace myself for a couple cycles. Got my vote.
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Anonymous 01 User profile
I’m just happy it’s in the running. You got my vote.
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Michael Vasquez User profile
I love tren ace too and need to restock, consider my vote in.
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nickname_88 User profile
Oh how I love to see Tren Ace POTW!!! That and yes, always GP Test for the cruise… always stay stocked up..
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BigOlRed User profile
Geneza is by far the best I have used and as far as my buds they agree can`t go wrong
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BABA User profile
Ace is great but burns like a hot motherfucker! I have personally only tried DP and was considering geneza to see if it maybe burns less..
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i had to ask…What`s so different between GP Tren versus Dragon Tren? other than the esters? Test is test. and Tren is tren. Why are we having 2 Tren for potw??can y`all spread some love and vote for something else like EQ500 or Primo?
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Chimp User profile
Just preference on brand. Some brands are over strengthened and some are under. Both of these brands are good though and have been around long enough to not have concern. Just cast your vote for whatever product YOU want.
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Taylor User profile
It`s not a different in esters but a difference in manufacturing companies. It`s more preference over ingredients.
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luke User profile Expert
no difference man other than esters some people just prefer different brands take care
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Tsidorick User profile
There actually no huge difference between Geneza or dragon pharma!. Everyone has their preferences when it comes to the gear. I personally think dragon pharma is always really on piont and has a great reputation. But everyone is different. The geneva brand is good from listening to all the vets here. I hope this is helpful…also you know trenbolone acetate is immediately released in your muscle and trenbolone enthanate..
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Mike Jones User profile Expert
The only difference is the labeling and the shipping location.
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Siggs User profile
Esters is all. Some people like to long esters and some like the short. I am actually going to be in need of some test here in a couple months so I am waiting on they to come up.
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Kevin User profile
Brands are different but esters are as well.
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BigOlRed User profile
From what I`ve heard there was virtually no difference between dragon and geneza the only difference is the price you can`t go wrong didn`t geneza and you save a few dollars
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i keep hearing about tren cough. is it bad and does it matter what brand i use?
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Beast Mode User profile
tren cough is hit and miss, but mostly comes from ace, and is said it is when it crosses a vein. either way, it sucks when it happens. no brand has it more or less than the other.
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Sean Phillips User profile
tren cough defnitely is not fun, hurts, is scary and will leave you scared to pin it again. it doesnt always happen but when it starts you know. no brand will cause it more or less. I find by putting tren in a syringe last it reducses it.
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GulabJ User profile
I read in another forum that Tren cough can impact 60% of users and they have quoted many studies. Way too technical jargons was used for me to understand it all. Apparently the benefits outweigh the risks and most don`t really care about the nagging cough.
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mike User profile
its the worst feeling in the world and will certainly scare the shit out of you as you scramble thinking you are dying but it passes after 10 minuts. Gulab has no idea what he is saying as its not a naggin cough but an attack to your throat and resp system that comes on hard and passes.
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traianos123 User profile
Is not a joke the tren cough, but it does not matter what brand u use, the good thing is that if it will hapend to u it will pass quickly.
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Jonathan User profile
at least you are aware of it! its very scary if you werent told about it ahead of time like myself. it last about 5 minutes and will leave you culed up in a ball covered in sweat. no brand has a tren ace that doesn`t cause it but it doesn`t always happen.. everyone has a theory as to why it happens.
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Hey Bros, have a couple cycles under my belt now. First time running tren-a. But whats the recommend dosage for tren-a. I`ve heard 200 a week and 350 a week. Will be running with test-prop (suggested dosage, again have heard differing amounts). Thanks
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JD Cycle User profile Expert
Gym rat right below asked the same question. My personal preference is when starting a new compound and short ester, I start low and see how I do. If you get great gains at 200, do you need to take 350 the first time? With short esters, very easy to increase.
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nickname_88 User profile
You`re on right track.. I would start at 200mgs a week.. same as I did when I first ran and I saw major results.. I`ve upped it since but yes, 200mgs and you`ll be happy..
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JMann User profile
As mentioned before you can start lower, since it will start working pretty fast, if you don’t get a lot of unwanted side effects, you can raise the dose. You can start at 50mg every other day, and if you feel ok go to 75mg eod, and so on. A lot of people get great results going lower like 250- 350.
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ShreddedFreak User profile
200 mgs would be a decent start, I don`t know about other people but tren a to me feels so much stronger then e like night and day difference. I do much less tren a then e and the sides feel much stronger!
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Dan User profile Expert
Pin 75mg eod will be good to start. Once you know you can deal with Tren then increase accordingly. It`s Tren acetate so it can be adjust on the fly. You don`t need much Tren to get great gain. Make sure test is at least 400mg a week. Good luck !
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Marco User profile
Always go on the lower end with Tren. You can always add, it`s very power. Way more powerful than Test alone. Be careful with it and keep dose at 200 for starters.
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Hey guys, this pertains to trenbolone acetate in general. Remember the finaplix or ralgrow kits? I read the zeranol which is a synthetic estrogen in ralgrow works synergistically with the trenbolone acetate and enhances muscle growth. Plus the zeranol increases somatropin or growth hormone release as well. I`m new to the idea of using a compound with zeranol in it, so is it an added bonus or is it a risk to use tren ace with zeranol??
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Juice24roids User profile Expert
Hey BG, I personally would not use it. If you want more information about estrogen and how it is not the enemy and actually helps with muscle growth please check out Rx Muscle youtube “Estrogen Management” video. Thanks for the question
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Vkpl511 User profile
I`m not that familiar with the synergistic effect of the two compounds, but if it were to ostensibly block out all estrogen in total, that wouldn`t be good. A certain amount of estrogen is needed. You just don`t want to spill over, that`s where the AI`s come in, etc…
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nickname_464 User profile
I would use with caution because as mentioned you need a certain amount of estrogen. Technically tren shouldn`t set off any estrogenic sides anyways, which is one main reason I would be cautious. Having your estrogen crash can be equally difficult to deal with and personally makes my mind and body feel completely off. Best of luck mate.
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nickname_764 User profile
i would just use tren no need for anything else. the sides arent going to be worth the gains.
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Dr Scott User profile Expert
Ha, I remember finaplex but agree with juice. I prefer tren enan or tri tren and both work amazingly well with just test /winny and maybe a little GH, I am a if it aint broke dont fix it theorist. I mean why?? also part of the reason i am so against suicide AI s and unwarrented use of AIs in general.
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Taylor User profile
I would suggest sticking with Tren, test and Masteron. I`ve used the stack a few times and its honestly my favorite. You need caber and Aromasin for maintenance and nolvadex, clomid and HCG for your PCT
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Not a question here but more less some info of person experience and yes actual good information about using tren ace for anyone who has not yet ran after already running some regular cycle and are thinking about making the move to a tren ace or even tren e cycle.. Listen, over and over I read people saying, since you`re running short ester tren, run test prop.. I literally does not matter what kind of test you run when running tren ace or e… heck if you`re running tren e and want to run test prop you could.. we all know test is test.. it comes down to how much if a pin cushion you can handle being and if you`re up to it.. I have never ran test prop for any cycle yet to this date… I don`t even ever want to.. I have ran plenty if sustanon cycles with it in but also long esters in there as well.. I have ran plenty of tren ace cycles as I am about to start once again here and have always ran test e or sustanon as my test.. I have put this out there before that it works great if you take the first 4 weeks of your cycle and start with test e and dbol… by the 4th week your test is already built up and you`ve just got a great jump with the dbol and now you`re gonna start tren ace which, yes, helps then with the bloat and water and harden you up for the rest of your cycle… but it doesn`t have to be test prop.. I pin my tren ace everyday but mix in my test or sustanon, same syringe every other day so it is all getting ran just fine.. this next cycle I am using test 250 first 4 weeks with dbol again and this time running GP sust 270 to change it up a bit and I can`t wait to see these results.. hey, we are all gonna run our cycles how we want to.. this is my way of choice, putting it out there so some don`t just think there is only a certain way to run tren… just be ready for it and have plenty of cycles under your belt and be in tune with how you react to compounds before trying this one.. good luck to all
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Nick J User profile
Not so much an answer to the question but a question for you. I like the post first of all but do you find that you have to pun more frequently with sustanon with the short esters being in there to reduce side effects.
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Taylor User profile
Not really sure on what you`re trying to ask but just be safe and be respect your body. You can do some serious damage if you overdo it
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Michael User profile
Nice write up. To bad this format doesn`t allow questions and answer lsSo I`ll just take from it what you said for now.
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trentastic User profile
I agree with most of what your saying used lots of tren over the years other than some mild night sweats never had all the horror stories many more side from test in susp, abomb or even plain old test (gyno, boating acne ect) then tren. The only thing i would disagree (and i might have misunderstood) is your frequent dosing of susta. This compound was designed for every 7-10 day dosing and just because it has test P has nothing to do with anything. It is about test levels as a whole not test P levels. either skuchie or dr scott suggested to read the 24roids write up for maxtreme testo non ten (or something) it explains this quite well. I read it and agree 100%. of course you can always do more frequent but really not needed sustenon (sust as in sustained blood levels) says it all. but everything else on point thanks for the post
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Harry Balzunya User profile
Yeah alot of people say to stack tren with prop for a cutting cycle but like you mentioned, it doesnt really matter what test base you use to stack along with tren. Bulking or cutting comes down to your diet and workout routine. I really like the GP sust 270, ive used that as my base for many cycles, right now I`m using BM sust and Russ Bio Tren, and let me tell you this stack is working great for me, growing by the day. Just be smart and do your research before you do anything. Stay safe and stay swoll fellas.
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omeed haji User profile
Sounds good cycle for me I never run test p I did run Sustanon and c e even I run suspension but I never run test P you right test is test
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So what`s better, Sust500 weekly & Tren A 300 weekly… or Sust300 weekly & Tren A 300 weekly… wokld the Sust 500 be a waste having it at 500 since tren is 2-3x`s stronger?
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JB205 User profile Expert
I ran sust 350 twice a week with tren and felt like the result were the same at .7mg with sust twice a week.
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nickname_88 User profile
That is a very good question which can get quite a few different view points… I believe I have heard most like to run their tren higher than their test.. yes because of what you mentioned.. tren is a much stronger compound than test and test is basically our base as men and yes it is a very good muscle building compound it is however a very wet compound as well.. meaning it causes water retention and bloat which yes gives the look of being much bigger and stronger but takes away from that vascular look.. Now, I will tell you how I have always run my teen cycles.. personally I have always kept my test at the same number as my tren.. more less because I am not someone who competes but yes, care a about how I look and like the size I get off a test tren cycle.. I like to keep make sure my main male component or well compound remains up there and I tell you I always feel great.. I have never lowered my test lower than tren on cycle and it works for me.. I feel awesome, well being is great, sex drive is thru the roof and my gains are always what I am after.. and yes, the tren does help fight the water gain and bloat anyways so the look is always on for me.. idk i just worry about sides if i ever would lower my test so i just don`t.. it all comes down to what you prefer but yes, listen to others and take what you feel is better route.. good luck.. I love tren lol
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FatDadstack User profile
I always run my test with my tren 350test prop 350 tren A. They are both fast acting and peek together. Remember bad side are from high and lows. With sust it should work as well its just easier with prop for me. Good luck
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EDubz User profile
I like to keep my test at at least 500 weekly when on any cycle. That doesnt mean you wont get good gains with test at 350 and tren at 500. It`s just how I do it. You will probably get a more defined look with the tren higher then the test though. So either way. I wouldnt say its a waste with the sust being at 500
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Gman User profile Expert
All depends on your tolerance the more isnt always the better plus might have more sides start with 300 300 then maybe next time bump up the test a little or bump up the tren a little some just use test as a base at say 200 let tren do the work and asses the sides
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Ronald Bobby User profile
If it was me I would run sust 500 weekly but I think it would be better twice a week. Tren has some bad side effects definitely not for a beginner
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Hey guys, I`m not on my first tren ace cycle yet, but I`m just trying to get ahead of the game with my knowledge. It says I should only do 6 to 10 weeks of tren, ofcourse with my test. I have multiple questions here so bare with me. Should I do test prop so I just do em both one shot every day or what test should I run? Also, if I do a 12 to 14 week cycle should I wait to start the tren until there is only 6 to 10 weeks left or how should I do it? Also I heard that B6 can be taken instead of Cabaser is that true since I also heard that Caber has horrible sides. Appreciate the info. Thanks guys. God bless and get SWOLE
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nickname_21 User profile Expert
Test prop and tren ace at 50mg each per day 8 weeks should be fine you probably wont need caber but have it just incase dont use unless you need it. B6 wont do much. Start Pct 1 weeks after last pin. This should give you great gains as long as everything else is in check
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NPC LIFE User profile
I would suggest test E at 500mg. and 50mg tren ace every other day. I definitely would not run ace for 10 weeks. 6-8 weeks tops. Ace is pretty toxic. You will see your pee getting dark around week 4. That means liver and kidneys are under stress. Be safe bro this is not a game
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RJB16 User profile
Test E and run Tren carefully. Keep and eye on the sides, I have used Caber with no problems…
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Cyclone User profile Expert
You wanna wait 4-6 weeks until the testosterone is fully kicked in before starting tren. And in this case, you should be using Tren Ace as it is short acting and you can jump off if you run into any serious side effects. Apparently B6 taken in the proper dosage is in fact adequate to manage prolactin, but you always need to at least have some caber on hand in case you run into Deca dick, in which decade you will be VERY happy you stocked up on at least a few pills.
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Unc33135 User profile
If your running tren a then i would do test p for the reason you stated being you can put them in one shot. Your going to be doing shots every day anyway so doing test e doesnt cut down on your shots at all. If your going to test 12 weeks and tren around 8 weeks then wait for your 4th week of test to mix in the tren.
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Nickname_472 User profile
Go with testsoterone cypionate if you can and use tren ace at 350 a week, you will see great result`s with b6 for some guy`s it may or may not work i only go on a tren cycle if i have it on hand you never know not worth running something like tren and getting mental sides and not being able to reverse it the longest for tren id use is 6 week`s you can also do 10 good luck
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Hello. I need some assistance with a cutting cycle. There was a delay in delivery; therefore, my orginial cycle has to be truncated. I am on a cut prepping for a show March 21 and again April 25. My previous cycle included tren ace 100 (75mg daily), Masteron 100, Anavar, Provirion, trestolone. I got great results with the tren, mast, anavar, and proviron cycle. I am on HRT at 190mg weekly. I have plenty of stock on hand: tren ace, turanibol, anavar, masteron, proviron. My original plan was to run turanibol for 6 weeks followed by a 12 week tren ace, 8 week anavar (50) with masteron also 8 weeks prior to competition. I take provirion in the AM and PM and it is a great wingman to accompany anything in my opinion. At any rate, there was a delay in shipping and the turanibol did not arrive when I expected it to. With the first competion just 12 weeks away, should I run a short cycle of Turanibol followed by the tren ace, anavar, masteron (my favorite stack) or do you suggest that I do not include the Turanibol? Again, I am on HRT at 190mg of test per week, I have the liver support in place, too. I originally intended to use the Turanibol to gain some mass prior to the cut. Now, my coach has me in full cut calorie deficit. I have never taken turanibol before, ever. Thanks
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Pincushion User profile
Honestly I don`t see why you shouldn`t add the tbol if everything is healthy. With zero estrogen conversion it should add some nice dry gains before your show. Also with it`s ability to bind to SHBG it will compliment your other gear nicely. I say go for it.
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skitt User profile
Honestly, this question is above my pay grade.. lol but I did understand it all and with your cycle looks great and in place for what you have going on in 12 weeks.. Now I have personally never taking T Bol either BUT its one that I will be chasing here soon as I have been wanting to throw it in a cycle asap..very excited to try it out lol I`m not to sure how good the T bol will do since your coach already has you in a full cut.. since it`s mainly used for bulking but then again I`m sure it could be used in a cut and would be better then not running it at all.. Plus with it lowering SHBG it could help out with the other compounds.. I know this is a little unorthodox but what about running Whinny the first 6 weeks if not sure about the T Bol? I don`t think you would get the size you would be looking for but I think the strength gains would be better since your in a full cut.. so I`m assuming Protein is way up and still might be able to put on a few pounds with it.. Plus its show to lower SHBG up to 50% which I believe would do a better job in that area over T bol… It`s just an idea… Long story short lol You may not get the full benefit of T bol in a bulking matter but I still think you would benefit greatly if you ran it anyways compared to not running it at all.. I hope at least I might have giving you and idea or two.. lol good luck with your show man
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Drew User profile
You can totally run the tbol with the rest of you cycle but you don`t Necessarily have to I would just run the anavar and drop the tbol and run cycle exactly the way you stated that you got great results don`t fix something that`s not broken my friend.
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similia similibus curentur User profile
What did you bulk on, what is your BMI and what weight is your goal?You leave everything critical out of this question. The easy answer is,”Sounds great!” How do you manage your hematocrit and what was your CBC? Play it safe and progress from show to show.
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nickname_629 User profile
Right, unless your concerned about liver strain (affecting training etc), you can safely run tbol ahead of time for some nice lean gains (but don`t expect much). Having done some NON bodybuilding competition stuff myself, the bigger question I would ask is will this throw of when you “peak”, as I know that in every one of my cycles, there is a point of diminishing return late in the cycle when my body reacts to being redlined for too long.
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Juice24roids User profile Expert
I suggest including tbol only if you want improved endurance and strength allowing for marathon sessions at the gym. Tbol for me doesn`t put on much size at all. It`s great for athletes that are competing in weight-limit sports. Thanks for the question
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So I`m thinking my cycle will be DP sus 350 test, I always run this test, GP tren ace at 300mg a week( I`ve run tren a few times), and 50mg of provirin a day with .5mg to 1mg of armidex a week to control estrogen levels. In the past when running tren, night sweats were my only side along with wanting to destroy my wife 6 or 7 times a day lol.
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Lorddrip User profile
Hahaha I can only laugh at that
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Drew User profile
I fell you brother night sweats are the worst I get them so bad I have to change my sheets like very dam day.
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Johnny Longsockz User profile
Nights sweats and waking up 10 times a night is about all I experience too. Doesn`t really bother me too much though
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Metal Mike User profile
That`s awsome! sounds like a great cycle.
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Juice24roids User profile Expert
Looks like a good cycle to me. I haven`t experienced night sweats from tren knock on wood. Love adding proviron to any cycle. Thanks for the question
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Buckey User profile
Ha! I`ve ran a similar cycle and my wife loves it as well. Feel like I`m 21 again and can go a couple of times a day. Take HCG along with the gear though. Sex drive becomes next to zero for the first mo th it so when you come off. Best of luck
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So what combination with test after running Dbol for 6 weeks for mass and strength would be best to dial in for lean mass and help shed water retention from Dbol??
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Mike Jones User profile Expert
Well tren/test/mast would be the best combo but Test and EQ is going to be a good combination for some added mass or mass retention after taking dbol, make sure to limit your sodium intake to keep water shed.
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Carlo User profile
You can take anywhere from 300mg to 600mg a week to get hard lean muscle. If you s never done Tren, stick to 300mg a week for 6 weeks
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Drew User profile
I would stack some eq at 500mgs a week or some primo at 100mgs eod. Also you reduce water take arimidex.5mgs eod.
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Lorddrip User profile
Yeah add some eq or tren would suffice as well good luck buddy
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Zach Linder User profile Expert
EQ is going to be much more mild but will take a long time to kick in. If you choose to run tren 200mg MAX, this is more than enough, especially for your first time using it. I would not add in any more orals. Good luck
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Juice24roids User profile Expert
I would go with masteron and winny or var. Thanks for the question
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Yes JB205 what I am describing is what others would call “tren cough” I just don`t usually feel the need to cough but I imagine the feeling in my chest is the same as those who cough. But thanks for all the feedback.
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nickname User profile Expert
I have heard if tren cough but never experienced it not sure if its person dependent or just the way its injected but just becuase it didnt happen recently doesnt mean anything
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Drew User profile
When you injecting the tren push it really slow and mix your tren with say test in the syringe to lessen the effect if this issue continues.
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Zach Linder User profile Expert
tren cough sucks but I have experienced this with other compounds as well…sorry to jump in on this, but if this happens, just try your best to relax and breathe. it should pass with in a couple minutes. good luck
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Trenbologna sandwich User profile
I’ve never had it but I’ve read speculation that it comes from a constractions in the blood vessels in your lungs when it goes in your blood. Could be worse- tren dick is no joke, ask my wife! Lol
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Smith User profile Expert
I have never had a ten cough but people who have had it say it feels like you are dieing and lasts for a minute
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Barry Gibson User profile
It`s odd because I`ve not once felt tren cough even with an odd 300mg tren ace shot nor over 200 tren ace shots in general so far.
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This is for JB205 I didn`t see anywhere to respond directly to your answer lol, but no this is my first time using gp tren I just thought it was weird that I got the burning the first 3 times and the last 3 I didnt get it. I know the burning in the chest after injection is normal it`s caused by fast being released into your lungs, tren is famous for causing this, almost everyone I know who has done tren also experienced this I just wanted to make sure my oil didn`t go bad or anything. And also just wanted to see if anyone else has experienced this. But you`re probably right it`s probably just my body adapting to it and also every oil is going to react differently to ones body I feel like it may just be because it`s a much better quality oil than others I`ve been using? (Like para pharma)
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Lorddrip User profile
Trial and error is all we can do keep on pushing brutha
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skitt User profile
Hey, I agree with JB.. as my comment stated on your other post while reading your question I was thinking the same thing.. It`s always possible to end up with a bad batch BUT very unlikely as GP and other labs are pretty on top of things.. also if this is your first time using GP then it could be the carrier oil as well, just my opinion… but again thats awesome that your not having to deal with the sensation as it could be annoying.. lol good luck bro
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JB205 User profile Expert
When you say burning in your chest, are you coughing and struggling to catch your breath like tren cough? Because then that would possibly explain it a little more and I definitely wouldn`t be concerned about storage and gear going bad. I`ve never had tren cough, but a few friends of mine have, one called me and thought he was dying lol. But it usually goes away after a few minutes. I have never found a solid proven reason behind tren cough and why some get it and others dont. One thing I found that made the most sense was when pinning, if you hit a vessel or vein when injecting, the tren is being carried through the blood stream and causing this reaction but I`m not a doc so I can`t say for sure is this legit. I always pull back on the plunger before injecting to look for blood so maybe this is why I have never experienced tren cough. I am by no means a tren expert, I use tren but sparingly due to the potential sides, I get serious night sweats like I thought I pissed myself. I know I`ve seen others post such as Dr. Scott who seemed to use tren and have more knowledge if you can get info from them it might better explain any more questions.
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Swoll,onthe,low User profile
Your body adjust to compounds so that may be easier when it hits the blood stream also do smaller shots more often will reduce these sides
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N88 User profile
Thanks for sharing and breaking down the sides you are getting. Everyone gets various sides (or none at all) and it`s beneficial to see what others experience
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nickname_629 User profile
It’s others have stated after a certain amount of time, typically 2 to 3 weeks, your body adjusts and acclimates to various symptoms and changes.
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So the first few shots of this I did I got really bad burning in my chest right after which I know is normal and has always happened to me in the past with tren at least, and now the last 3 shots I`ve done I haven`t got it at all and usually it`s the other way around(it gets worse and worse during my cycle). Does anyone know why this would be? Or could it be from keeping the oil in a cold place and it going bad or something? Any help or explanation would be helpful.
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Lorddrip User profile
Well that`s odd sure you just don`t have a reflux or not you never know if that persists I would go to a doctor dude for sure good luck hope you get that in check buddy
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Gman User profile Expert
If it`s normal doe you it`s not normal at all for anyone wlaw. The only thing I can think if is a little bit of it got into your blood stream while injecting and that cant be good for you. Practice your injecting or change sites with less chance if nicking a vien . It shouldn`t happen
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JB205 User profile Expert
I keep my gear stored in a cool place out of any direct light and have never experienced issues with gear going bad or breaking down. I know the first few shots of tren fir me, I get that chemical taste from tren then it goes away after a few shots like my body is getting used to it. But I wouldn`t worry about the gear going bad if the first few shots seemed normal to you, then its likely your body is adapting to the foriegn substance being introduced to your body. Also, is this the same tren or brand you always use?
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skitt User profile
Hey bud, Gman and Jb205 make some valid points here.. You may have nicked some veins in past shots to were these last few you didn`t so the burning wasn`t there but again I like what JB said here as that was the first thing I thought of as well while reading your question was that maybe your body is getting use to the foriegn substance and the dose your on.. so by all means if its not burning I would take that as a win and just keep watching your body when taking your shots, specially where you are injecting as if it happens if you inject in one area but not the other.. I doubt it but maybe if it happen to be a different brand possible the carrier oil.. I doubt it has gone bad specially if you just got it and started it.. If the vial had been open then not touched for a couple years and you made the choice to use it, I would say it going bad would be a possibility but as Jb stated I keep mine in my dresser drawer in a dark cool area and never had any issues… good luck bro
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Drew User profile
This is normal my friend like tren cough sometimes it happen sometimes it doesn`t. It happen worst when you inject into your blood steam
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Big Dogg User profile
That is how it goes for me. I usually dont get tren cough but when I did it was running ace. I get it when I first start and then it goes away as I continue with cycle.
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Gotta question.. I’m currently running test e 500/weekly and tren ace. .75 eod.. everything’s been fine but just recently not all the time but randomly I wont be able keep a hard on long.. but my sex drive is through the roof… I don’t have gyno.. If that means anything.. am I doing something wrong? With my dosages? I didn’t get any other stuff like caber… it is what it is this is a gamble and I rolled the dice.. should I switch anything up? I’m on my fifth week of test and fourth of tren..
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michael patsalou User profile
Unfortunately it’s one of the side effects that randomnly happens. Use light ef drug like cenforce u til your better. Could also try lowering your doses. Good luck
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nickname_537 User profile
It can possibly be prolactin increase from the trenbolone. Just use 250mg to 500mg vitamin b6 as it`s known to be a prolactin agonist. It`s very cheap at about a few dollars per bottle of maybe a couple hundred tablets. It`s a vitamin so a prescription is not needed. They suggest not using it more than two months without a break. It`s cheaper than caber by a long shot and similarly effective. At least you`ll know if it works.
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Massgains User profile
I would start some caber 1mg a week. Also you can try to drop the tren down too 50mgs eod. Also if you up the test it should solve you problem as well.
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nickname_464 User profile
I would try either dropping the Ten down to 50 eod and or upping your test a little. However, if you have access to Caber then you might try that. Also you didn`t mention if your taking any kind of AI, if not you probably should start, if your estrogen is out if wack it can also mess with your sex drive. Best of luck.
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Mattyice gainz User profile
What you need to start doing is running pfizer brand cabergoline which is offered by naos at .5 mg e3d. This will subside mood downers and help with libido and hardness issues. Also if you are still having trouble and this cycle is very important to you, naops offers many forms of viagra and cialis that 1 hour before sex will give you the hardest boner of your life and the pills run very cheap! Also upping test levels will increase libido.
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I have made a number of orders through 24roids, but this is the first time I`ve started to run their gear. I ordered the Geneza Tren Ace when it was product of the week, and ran it with some Dragon Test prop. I ran 100mg Test, with 50mg of the Tren for the first two days, and I felt nothing. The next two days ran 150mg of Test with 150mg of Tren. Still, absolutely nothing. I understand you`re not going to see results in 4 days, but running Tren for 4 days, especially upping it, definitely should have felt something. No energy, no sex drive, no sides, no nothing. I`m worried not the multiple orders I have put in are bunk. Am I missing something? I`ve only ran one other cycle, and it was a 500mg Test only beginner cycle. I will be contacting 24roids about this
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Mtrain User profile
Running Tren on your second cycle ever? I can say that Geneza is one of the most reputable labs, and neither me or bodybuilding clients have ever had any problems. I can`t speak to your current situation, as I`m not there. so asking 24roids doesn`t hurt — but bunk test and tren from GP would be a first for me, especially with it coming from 24roids
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Mike Jones User profile Expert
I won’t say anything to you taking tren your second cycle but I currently have the gp tren ace and have used 3 vials of it and I can assure you it’s not bunk, even for me it takes about a weeks time to “feel” anything from the tren as it does make me aggressive, and I honestly never “felt” anything from tren the first time I took it but as for the test it’s been 4 days like I said give it a week and judge how you feel from there, then at 3-4 weeks go get bloodwork done and see what your levels at, they should be very high
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Massgains User profile
I would be doing you prop. 100mgs eod. And the tren say start at 50mgs eod both in the same needle. You have to do this constinetly eod. So one you level even out and two it’s going to take you more than just 4 days to feel tren I wanna day you would start feeling seeing results within two weeks. Good luck.
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evan johnson User profile Expert
You need to give it more time than 4 days before worrying about this. Either way this is not something to waste 24roids time with so hopefully it works out for you.
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Maison User profile
24roids gear only carries top notch products my brother.Ive personally been using these guys for years and have never received a bunk product. Especially geneza and dragon they are two of the best.
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ViktorN User profile
Gear doesn’t work that fast my friend. I think you r just anxious to get pump. I also think that because you used a higher concentration on you previous cycle your body could be desentized on s 100mg Test. This is why I tell folks not to use too much in the beginning. Like any drugs your body will need more and more in dubquence cycles. Time. Give it a week or so. And good luck my friend!
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Hey guys.. got another question sorry I can’t add onto my last question… but I’m gonna go up to .75 eod. Or should I do .50 Ed? What’s better? Ed or eod
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Will User profile Expert
One is not necessarily better than the other. I know I`d hate pinning daily. I`ve done it and it`s not fun. I prefer EOD and as long as the dose at the end of the week is the same amount, then you`ll get the same results either way. So short answer is personal preference.
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Kai User profile
Will is correct on frequency. It’s a personal choice, however, those who do pin daily do it to keep hormone levels more stable. It’s true for any gear your run the more often you can pin the less spikes and dips you’ll get.
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SocalJuicer User profile Expert
My personal and observational experinece is that by pinning every day, you can avoid a lot of the typical side effects. Nearly all of the tren ace “bad trips” I have heard of are when pinning every other day. Just my 2 cents.
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Mtrain User profile
Always found the best results pinning every day. In the end it just comes down to your preference. Happy gains bro!
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LegacyLifter User profile
ED will give you more stable blood levels with the ace ester but people that have done both ed and eod with tren ace report mostly no difference. Some swear by ED but I personally don`t like to inject every day. I would start with 50 mg eod and increase as needed.
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N88 User profile
0.5 ml ED would equal 50 mgs a day…..350 a week. 0.75 EOD is 262.5 a week-ish…and you want daily for tren ace
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Hey guys what’s up.. I’m currently running test e and go tren ace… I’m doing .5cc eod.. I’m on my fifth shot and I haven’t got any sides.. besides sweating throughout the day… should I up my dosage? What’s a good dosage to get the best out of tren and keeping the sides minimal if I even get any…
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Vincent Valentine User profile Expert
When you say you`re doing .5cc every other day, I assume you`re referring specifically to the tren ace and not your testosterone enanthate. If my math is correct, half a cc (which is equivalent to half a milliliter) of tren ace every other day works out to 150mg-200mg of tren per week. While you may get the benefits tren offers from those dosages, the typical starting point for running tren is 350mg per week which is often injected at 50mg every day, and that is what I would recommend you start doing. The great thing about tren ace is that dosages can be modified quickly if/when side effects are encountered. So if 350mg per week is too much, simply start reducing the milligrams on the daily injections. One thing I wanted to point out: just because you`re not currently experiencing any side effects doesn`t mean the tren dosages need to be modified. As with all AAS compounds, some will experience loads of side effects and some won`t experience any. If your strength is increasing and your body fat is decreasing then the tren is likely working as intended. Be sure to have an AI (preferably arimidex or letro) on hand, as well as some cabergoline to suppress any prolactin buildup that may occur.
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LongIslandBEAST User profile
I have had great results off 350mg of testosterone and 350mg of Trenbolone Acetate a week. I really like pinning 1mL each of Testosterone Propionate and Trenbolone Acetate every other day. That was one of the best cycles I ever had. Now whether you should go up or not is up to you and how you are gaining but if you are getting results without side effects than do that! Why risk getting sides if the gains are good and your dose is low? Only go up in dose when you have to and that means when you aren’t getting gains and you don’t have any side effects and that is usually after using the compound for awhile and many times. I have used Tren many times and still haven’t gone above 400mg a week and I started at 350mg a week years ago. No need to since my gains were always good. I have however had to increase testosterone over the years from 350mg to 500mg. I just don’t seem to get good gains below 500mg anymore so I added 50mg a shot. Not a huge difference but it was what my body was telling me I needed to make the gains I was looking for.
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anon5_uk User profile Expert
Like Vincent said, you need to raise your dosage. Basically double it, 0.5 cc every day. If you wish to have a more convenient pinning schedule, opt in for tren e next time. Acetate requires frequient pinning since acetate has very short half life. Another thing I`d like to point out is, when you are using tren, you need to have your estrogen in control. Low estrogen gives tren the magic ability of preventing the creation of new fat from carbohydrates, even at high TDEE. If you are going to get estradiol checked via blood test, make sure you request the estradiol sensitive assay to know your true estradiol levels while on tren (ECLIA/RIA will show a false positive for E because of tren).
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Scott User profile
VV very well said. I’d also start pinning the tren ED. What I’ve noticed if I add a little test to the same pin as the tren I don’t get any tren cough but it could just be luck of the draw. But something that I have noticed. Goodluck on your cycle.
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Mtrain User profile
I would up your Tren A to .5cc ED or 1cc EOD. I have found that .5cc ED will give you more consistent blood saturation levels. I`m a big believer and found great results of maintaining at least 500mg of Test E per week with it. Happy gains!
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SocalJuicer User profile Expert
+1 to increasing your injecting frequency to once per day. I am a believer in minimum effective dosages, but I`m likely less experienced with Tren than others posters on this site, so I digress.
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Hey.. so my tren ace has arrived I’m on the end of second week of test e.. can I start my tren now? Or should I wait a little longer?
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evan johnson User profile Expert
Yes provided you have enough for whatever length of time you are planning on running it there is no problem starting it now.
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Beard User profile
Absolutely, start it up
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ROBERT User profile
I would be running .5ml daily of the Trenbolone starting now.
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mchilds User profile
I would start ASAP as long as you have enough test for the duration of taking your tren as well as a month or so after ending the tren. If you take test for a few weeks after ending the tren you will experience no crash. I usually do 2 months tren/test then 1 month test and something like anavar, proviron, or wini.
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Mr and Mrs J User profile
Run it man. Get the gains.
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nickname_48 User profile Expert
You can run it right now, remember its best to pin tren ace everyday rather than EOD
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This is my first time running tren ace,i normally do tren e.It has been exactly one week since my first pin.Im doing 100 mg eod. I have been really tired these last few days.Has anyone else experienced this?Id this normal? If so what can I do about it?
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Big E User profile
Chances are you will need to reduce your dose or you may have to add some T3 to your cycle. Tren will suppress thyroid function but this doesn`t exactly affect everyone the same way.. You may be a little more sensitive to tren and need to reduce your dose. I would suggest 50-75mg EOD to see if you start feeling a difference. Good luck
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N88 User profile
If Tren E didnt cause you to be tired in the past with the same dose per week (350 mgs) i would continue the 100 mgs EOD for another week before lowering your dose. If it gets worse or continues then lower the dose slightly. Somewhat the same symptoms happened to me during various cycles or compounds but cant say for sure it was due to one particular one and actually went away without any changes. What else are you taking or eating that could cause this?
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mchilds User profile
I feel like 50 ed works better for me to get my hormones and overall affect in check. I know it’s annoying but I would try doing 50 a day instead and also make sure you are running caber. Also make sure you estrogen levels are good with your test doses. Sometimes if I overdo it with the AIs I get lethargic so it may actually have nothing to do with your tren or prolactin. Just something to consider. I am always a bit more lazy on tren then just straight test tho. Remember, tren E is a kick in the butt while ace is a punch in the nuts (if you get my analogy) 😉
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Will User profile Expert
Depending on how much you`re eating, how hard your training, how much rest you`re taking, if you`re doing cardio, and stress from life and training…..all those will factor into your response. Tren is a powerful compound, so it can have an effect like that. Tren A I always got sides on, even low doses. Tren E I don`t get sides unless I hit 1g. Maybe taper your Tren A dose back and see how you respond. But take all the factors I listed at first into consideration as well.
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ltl trucker User profile
1. Bump up the testosterone dosage in your cycle or use a small dose of Test Suspension before your workouts.2. Try smaller doses of tren ed3. The drug Modafinil may help with wakefullness disorders such as narcolepsy or excessive daytime sleepiness.4. Pramipexole or Cabergoline (not over the counter) will help to combat the sides from the tren.5. A mild fat burner before you workout may have enough kick to push you through your workout.
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Socaljuicer User profile Expert
More information is really necessary to help troubleshoot your situation. Are you running a testosterone base? How much? Any oral Kickstarter? Are you eating a caloric deficit or surplus? Any or a combination of these could be contributing to your condition.
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How accurate is the delivery eta. Just asking cause it the eta says 13 days but the tracking shows it’s still across seas.. it’s coming from gp… I’ve ordered a hand full of times never gp I’m not worried, just wondering
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diego User profile
The delivery ETA tends to adjust accordingly as the package moves from point to point. I have always ordered GP products and I have noticed that most, if not all, products arrive several days prior to the ETA. Many times, I find the package being reported as sitting in Ukraine when, in fact, it has already crossed the seas and is sitting in New York. Once the package is received in New York, it is generally delivered within 3-4 days of reaching the USA. Commonly, most of my GP products have arrived in 14-17 days.
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John User profile Expert
My GP orders on average were delivered 2-3 weeks. The tracking info is a bit off, some times it shows my order is stuck at customs for few days then all of sudden shows up in my mail box
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Will User profile Expert
It`s actually usually very close for my orders. I usually get them in 3ish weeks which is the usual ETA. I set my expectations to expect it when that ETA says so and I`ve been surprised earlier than that several times. Just follow tracking. Once it shows up in the states, it`s very quick to get delivered.
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Big E User profile
I have been ordering from 24roids for quite a while now and the delivery has always taken just about 18 days. Sometimes it will arrive a little sooner but it doesn`t happen too often. Most importantly the packages do show up each and every time.
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N88 User profile
The one on the 24roids site is not accurate at all and is just an estimate and just counts down everyday. Tracking via USPS or which ever delivery service that is used is accurate 50% of the time in my experience.
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mchilds User profile
I only order GP and have ALWAYS gotten my packages a few days before the delivery date posted. You should have a tracking number but once it gets to your country of origin it should only take a few more days at most to get there. I am in the states FYI
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How accurate is the delivery eta. Just asking cause it the eta says 13 days but the tracking shows it’s still across seas.. it’s coming from gp… I’ve ordered a hand full of times never gp I’m not worried, just wondering
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diego User profile
The delivery ETA tends to adjust accordingly as the package moves from point to point. I have always ordered GP products and I have noticed that most, if not all, products arrive several days prior to the ETA. Many times, I find the package being reported as sitting in Ukraine when, in fact, it has already crossed the seas and is sitting in New York. Once the package is received in New York, it is generally delivered within 3-4 days of reaching the USA. Commonly, most of my GP products have arrived in 14-17 days.
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John User profile Expert
My GP orders on average were delivered 2-3 weeks. The tracking info is a bit off, some times it shows my order is stuck at customs for few days then all of sudden shows up in my mail box
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Will User profile Expert
It`s actually usually very close for my orders. I usually get them in 3ish weeks which is the usual ETA. I set my expectations to expect it when that ETA says so and I`ve been surprised earlier than that several times. Just follow tracking. Once it shows up in the states, it`s very quick to get delivered.
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Big E User profile
I have been ordering from 24roids for quite a while now and the delivery has always taken just about 18 days. Sometimes it will arrive a little sooner but it doesn`t happen too often. Most importantly the packages do show up each and every time.
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N88 User profile
The one on the 24roids site is not accurate at all and is just an estimate and just counts down everyday. Tracking via USPS or which ever delivery service that is used is accurate 50% of the time in my experience.
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mchilds User profile
I only order GP and have ALWAYS gotten my packages a few days before the delivery date posted. You should have a tracking number but once it gets to your country of origin it should only take a few more days at most to get there. I am in the states FYI
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I have a buddy who had his pro card at one time,but still works out and is in excellent shape.He says on tren ace He only injects twice a week every 3 days.I thought you was suppose to inject every other day be ause of the half time of the compound?? This will be my first time running tren ace.I normally run Tren E.Can someone comment on this please.THANKS
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evan johnson User profile Expert
Yes you are correct it is to be injected at LEAST eod for optimal results. That is not to say it found work at all being injected less frequently it is just suboptimal.
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Zach Linder User profile Expert
ED or EOD so you`re blood levels stay stable. ED is SOOOO much better than EOD.
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D-man User profile Expert
The more stable it is in your system the better results and fewer sides you will get. EOD is ok and ED is even better with Tren A. When in conversation face to face, Tren A can sound a lot like Tren E. I would inject Tren E twice per week for optimal results.
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Niki User profile
I only pin tren a everyday because that`s the best way to get a stable level. All the side effects that are associated with Trenbolone Ace is because of the spikes you get in your bloodstream by pinning large doses rather than pinning smaller dose more frequently
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mchilds User profile
Small frequent doses always heeds best results. His blood levels are not stable and may be experiencing sides and just not telling you. Best to inject tren ace every day or other day.
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anon5_uk User profile Expert
You sure he didn`t mistake ace for enanth? E3D is too far apart from acetate, since it`s fast acting/short-half-life. Run it EOD or ED.
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I posted the question about starting Tren A. Now after reading the reply’s I am thinking about going with Tren E. The only reason I was considering Tren A is because if my body didn’t agree with it I was told Tren A is best to start with because it will leave the system a lot faster than Tren E. With taking Tren E if my body does not agree or can handle it I will have to deal with it for about 2 weeks before leaving my system. I could be wrong but what is your advice?Also Mike Jones notes about getting Caber to run . 25 on my injection days. Is Caber really a must? It seems pretty expensive, is there anything less expensive that can substitute for Caber? I read Caber is for the Prolatin but I’m not really sure if I understand Prolatin in men? Does Prolatin for men just mean low sex drive?One more thing, if Caber is a must which Caber on 24roids do you all recommend? I don’t see a Genza Caber so which brand and mg do you all advise is best to use? I only saw one or two Caber that ate . 25mg and the rest are 1mg or 2mg. I don’t really like cutting tabs in half. Any advice would be greatly appreciated! Thank you all!
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BB89 User profile
With Tren E you are not going to the spike and crash that comes with Tren A. Tren leaves the system quicker but it packs a punch because of their half lives. For ex, if you inject 100mg of Tren A the first day about 60mg of tren is going to be resealed into your blood stream but if you do 100mg of Tren E it will be only 10mg. When it comes to caber you definitely going to need it unless you are ok with not being able to get it up. Prolactin build up means no more erection. As far as what brand, personally I take Pizer but any thing on napps should be go to go, you can go with the cheapest one.
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anon5_uk User profile Expert
Ok so you have multiple questions. 1) You will need caber, but you can also use bromocriptine, which works similarly as caber. Managing your prolactin levels is important, too high prolactin and you may develop gyno, as well as a bad case of tren dick. Prolactin is inhibited by dopamine. In men, after orgasm, prolactin levels elevate greatly. If you ever thought about why your libido drops directly after orgasm, it`s prolactin. Hence why caber also lowers refractory period in men. 2) If you are going to go into gear world, you can`t cut corners simply because your wallet can`t afford to do it properly. It is an expensive hobby, but not as expensive as eating healthy and adequate diet, so I hope you aren`t skimping on that either. 3) Cut tabs in half with a pill cutter, you can buy them anywhere, your local pharmacy has it. 4) Personal opinion: It`s worth starting with tren a. Not only can you quickly lower the dose in case of bad sides, you can also find your sweet spot easily by tapering up or down weekly. It`s also an excellent way to improve your pinning technique.
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Lav3ga User profile Expert
First tren run should be ace, but if your feeling balsy rip the e. Just because the gear is at a low level after two weeks, doesn`t mean the sides are gone. I`m an experienced tren user, and I know that I won`t sleep right for at least a month after I come off the tren e. It is usually around contest time so there are other variables at play, but the tren is a big player. As for caber, it is a must. Try to find a video of a dude lactating. I like the 2mg phizer guys and I run the . 25mg every four days. It is a pain to split the pills, but imagine the shirt laundry from your leaky tits.
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ROBERT User profile
If running Tren use Arimidex . 5 EOD and Caber . 25 every 3 days. Be careful, Tren E is a very strong substance youre putting into your body. Maybe do some homework on it before using it. Lav3ga is right, Gyno is a high risk.
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Mike User profile
Ive never ran caber with Tren because Ive never had to. It all comes down to individual experience. If your body doesn`t agree with it right away that means you`re allergic to it or the ester. That being said all steroids have side affects some of us have different ones and to different extremes. Its about managing those side affects the best we can. Keep caber on hand and use it if you need it. 50 to 100mgs of tren every other day should be fine. Steroids is a latter game. always start lower and work you`re way up the next time around. especially with tren being such a strong steroid a little goes a long ways. But at 50mgs every other day with a good test base you may not even need caber. Me personally I get a boost in sex drive from tren. Tren is really something that should be saved for certain purposes like competing in a bodybuilding contest.
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evan johnson User profile Expert
No you do not HAVE to have caber but it is a good idea to have on hand. I myself have never used it when running tren. That being said i you do plan on buying some all caber brands on 24roids are top notch.
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I am thinking about adding Tren A on my next cycle. I usually run 500 mg a week of Test Cyp. I usually pin 250 on Monday and 250 on Thursday’s. I wanted to start Tren A at the lowest dose possible to see how my body reacts. I don’t really want to pin every day or every other day I was wondering could I just pin on Monday and Thursday when I pin my Test Cyp? Reason is my friend that gives me my injections works at a clinic that’s only open Monday-Friday. What is a recommended dose for me to start and schedule. Appreciate any advice. Thanks
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Meki Pfeiffer User profile
You have a good idea and way of wanting to try tren a for the first time. That’s exactly how I ran my test, and when I did tren a for the first time I started at 30 mg every day, then I went up to 50 mg a day and seen great results, ended up at 75 mg very other day because I got sick of pinning and had amazing results. You do NOT need much Tren, also I lowered my Test C dose to around the same mg I was running my Tren at, and I recommend you do the same, unless you feel low libido, then up the test 100mg a week. I seen about 12 lbs of quality keepable gains off of that cycle.
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smithpress User profile
You will be fine. I reccomend buying tren enanth. I do monday and thursday injections with it and it will work. Ace has to be injected fequently. You could get away with MWF tren ace injections but you need at least 200mg a week to see good quality results
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Mike Jones User profile Expert
As smith press said, you should opt for tren Enanthate instead of ace and the Monday/Thursday schedule will be perfect for that. The reason being is if you pinn tren ace that way you will be having peaks and dips in the hormone levels circulating through your blood, this will have negative side effects and the compound won’t work as effectively, since you are on long estered test it will be best to match up ester lengths so you don’t have the rollercoaster effect on your circulating hormone levels, the lowest dosage for tren e you should run is 100mg a week so that would be 50mg mon/thurs giving your stable levels and good results after a weeks and knowing how your body responds I’d bump it up to 200mg a week and don’t forget to buy some caber to combat the prolactin buildup that tren is notorious for for you I’d run it at . 25 mg on your injection days
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evan johnson User profile Expert
No, if you only want to pin twice a week you should use enanthate. That being said if you are already pinning twice a week, not wanting to go up to eod is not really a good reason to dictate what your cycle is.
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ROBERT User profile
Like others have mentioned, if you are only looking to pin twice a week the switch to Trenbolone Enthanate. Geneza makes a Tren Enthanate 200 which is perfect for what you`re looking for. Good luck.
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anon5_uk User profile Expert
Switch from Tren A to Tren E, that way your injection schedule is more convenient for you. You can then pin with your testosterone, you can draw it even into the same syringe and inject it all at the same time.
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I intend to run tren ace alongside var 50mg and masteron. Test is base. I know not to run them altogether but am seeking an outline on the weekly cycle. I am on TRT dose for my testosterone 125mg weekly.
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BB89 User profile
Var is so mild woman take it and masteron is not anabolic at all, people use it for the hard look during cutting cycles. You can drop the var and masteron if you are running tren. Basically you are going to be running two firecrackers and a nuke. My suggestion is take tren e instead. People usually say run tren a because if you can`t handle the side effects it will clear your system much earlier but the thing with tren a is it hits you harder because most of the dosage enter your blood stream in a day where tren e is gradual. So my suggestion is run tren e 100mg for the first week if you were able to deal with the sides go up to 200mg(100mg twice a week). Good luck
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Anonymous User profile
You didn`t mention if you are bulking or cutting? if you are bulking the masteron is pretty much useless and var is not necessary.
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Mike Jones User profile Expert
I honestly don’t understand what you mean by, knowing not to run them altogether. You should be running test/tren/mast together as far as the var its up to you, you could use it as a kickstart to the cycle or throw it in at the end. You didn’t mention your goals and also how long you want to run it but I’d up the test to 200mg a week run the tren at 50mg every other day with the masteron at 200mg a week dosed twice a week.
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evan johnson User profile Expert
Yes you can run altogether with a cycle like 350mg tren 200mg mast 50mg anavar ed alongside your TRT dose of testosterone.
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ROBERT User profile
I see no issues with your running Mast/Tren/Test all together. Make sure you follow a correct and complete PCT, other than that I think you`re good.
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Donkeypunch User profile
Hello, I think your cycle lools great. Anavar might be unnecessary though. But i see why your including it. It will work well with everything. Possibly through in 50mg ED winny at the last 4 weeks to tie up in a pretty bow.
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Assuming my diet and training are solid, how often is it safe for me to do cycles of this? I have a bit of an addictive personality and it’s hard not to love the feeling and results tren offers so I was hoping for some feedback. Is it ok to go off/on he same amount of time? I’m 215 lbs and my girlfriend is an RD so I eat well. Thanks
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evan johnson User profile Expert
It is not the same for everybody but I would recommend the length of time of your cycle should be the length of time you are off before you begin another one. So if you used tren for 12 weeks, you should take a 12 week break before running tren again. You can use more frequently if you are having bloodwork done and can check that all your health markers are in line.
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D-man User profile Expert
For most cycles, it is suggested that you are “off”, complete with pct, and back to normal function of testosterone for the same amount of time you were “on” before starting your next cycle. Tren however takes a really hard toll on your body. It will raise your blood pressure and cholesterol, so keep an eye on that. I would suggest alternating your Tren cycles with milder cycles, but still taking time off between cycles. Also, I just noticed that your name appears that you could possibly be female. Tren is very androgenic. I wouldn`t suggest Tren at all for females.
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J.P. User profile Expert
You`re likely to have numerous different answers to this question. Likely most of them will also be logical, backed by some science and equally useful. So my answer is just based on what I have experienced in myself and my clients. In the end it`s up to you to take in all the information, apply it to your specific needs and make the best decision you can with the information you have. That said, I like seeing bloodwork before going back on. If that`s not a reasonable option for some reason, I`d add the cycle length, to the post cycle length and use that to determine you time off.
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SocalJuicer User profile Expert
The general rule of thumb is TIME ON + PCT = TIME OFF. For the sake of others who might read this, Tren is the harshest, most side effect prone, and some would say the most dangerous steroid available.It should be reserved for very experienced users who understand all the fundamental of cycling, estrogen and prolactin management, etc. I too have an addictive personality, so I waited until my 40s to start using steroids.