Would it be ok to run Dianabol at the last 4 weeks of a testosterone cycle
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Roid_Head User profile Expert
Yes, if you are not on any other compound that puts pressure on the liver and you don`t mind extra water retention from the dbol at the end of the cycle.
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Cyclone User profile Expert
That would be fine I guess, but dbol is an unusual choice, as it will cause you to hold water and puff up. Winstrol or Anavar are more typical “dry” compounds used at the end of a cycle.
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nickname_311 User profile
You sure can but I prefer to have d-bal the start of the cycle to kick start the cycle otherwise the other Esther should have already kicked in your cypionate and enanthate
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nickname_238 User profile
Yes you can. A lot of people I know will run Dbol or anadrol for the last 4 to 5 weeks, you will fill out especially if you are lean, you won’t get bloated when you are that far into to the cycle. Just stay around 30mg-50mg a day and drink plenty of water you will look round and full. Good luck! don’t forget to vote thanks!
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JamesEarl User profile Expert
As per dianabol it`d be better utilized as a kick start at the beginning of your cycle so it can start working right away as your Testosterone builds up. Now you can use it towards the end, but at the beginning can allow for any excess bloat to dissipate rendering a more lean gain look towards the end of your cycle. Good luck with it man!
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crazy Dan User profile Expert
Why dbol as a finisher friend? Dbol give you strength and build muscle fast but some of the gain is water as well. So brothers use dbol in the beginning of the cycle to get that quick jump in strength and effect while their test is waiting to kickin at around week 4 or 5. So it is use as a kickstart to a cycle. Then you stop on week 5?and then finish your cycle.,This give you time to lose the water gain from dbol during the rest of the cycle. Now you are adding dbol at the end of your cycle, while there`s nothing wrong with it but you going to get muscles that are puffy and bloated due to water. What you really need is a dryer compound like anavar or winstrol or tbol, which are dryer compounds. So in short, yes you can use dbol at end of cycle but there are other compounds you can use, depends on your final result or goal. Good luck buddy! And don`t forget to vote.
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I am looking to take a dbol cycle for 4-6 weeks. Would it be better to take a dbol only cycle at low dosages or stack with a test propionate while taking the dbol?
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Traianos123 User profile
Testosterone have to be the base of any cycle, u first think about test and then u will figure out what other compounds u will ad to your cycle, if this will be your first cycle do a test only cycle but not with test prop, u will have to pin too often, better use test E or test C and pin twice/week.
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anonymous_1212 User profile
Hello lando! Everyone here is correct about the fact you must take it with a Testosterone base. Testosterone is what makes us whom we are and how we feel from day to day. It has an effect on the CNS (central nervous system as well as the white & gray mater in the brain) and an effect on our personality (Trenbolone really can have some bad effects on all of these). What would happen if you went on a oral only cycle of dbol lets say 50 MG ED is that your natural FSH and LH would be suppressed and therefore your natural test would go down; leaving you with a partially full tank and trying to drive across the country on it. Also, Dianabol is know for a high estrogen conversion which will throw off your hormones even worse because men are not set up biologically for excess estrogen. This is why some older gents get really depressed because the conversion still happens at ~ the same rate but way less free Testosterone. Choose a Test with an ester you like and here are some Examples: the (ester) half-life of test cypionate 250 is ~5 days. 5 days later there may be 125 MG left over, then 62.5 MG, then 31.25…etc. but it depends on your metabolism. Other esters are Propionate ~ .8-2 days, pheynlpropionate ~ 1.5-4 days, Iscapionate ~ 4-9 days, Decanoate ~ 7.5-15 days. There is also a Sustanon 270 which has the Acetate ester and its half-life is ~ 1-1.5 days. I now personally inject Sustanon (this is my favorite ester combination) at a half an ML (depending on the MG:ML ratio) every 6 days and it is a low dose for BB but I get good results from it even at that dose. I suggest if you want to pin more times a week, get either Test Propionate or Cypionate. If you want to inject every 2 weeks you can get Testosterone Undecanoate but with this one, it will be awhile before it kicks in ~ 3 weeks to get BLs` to a good level. Let me know if this helps and I hope it does! Stay healthy, safe and live well bro! PLEASE up us vote for Q&A and for Product of The Week! Reply if you need to ask more and I will up vote for you.
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anonymous900 User profile
Not an option to take an oral without test. Test is the base for any and all cycles.
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EDubz User profile
Definetely take it with a test base. If your going to keep the cucle short prop wpuld be a good test to stack it with since it kicks in fast
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ItaiBenari User profile
Stack it with test for better results
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Jason123 User profile
Take test cyp or enanthate and run it for 8-12 weeks. Do it right if you are going to do it.
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Roid_Head User profile Expert
Take it with test p but 6 weeks of dbol and test is not going to do much in terms of building muscle. Your strength will go up and you will gain some water weight and you will lose it all two weeks after you stop taking dbol. If you want to build muscle you have to cycle for 12 weeks and test has to be taken as a base.
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BillySantos User profile
Oral only cycles are not advised, you’ll crash your test levels, feel terrible, and you’ll lose all your gains once you stop even if you PCT correctly. You need to run it with a base of Testosterone, doesn’t matter which ester you use. You can even run a low dose of 200 mg of test a week and take Dianabol and still ensure results but you need to use a test base.
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Planning on a cycle of Test E/Dbol. Will be running the Test at 500mg per week for 10 weeks. Plan on running the Dbol at 20mg every day for 7 weeks. My question is if the Dbol arrives 1-2 weeks before the Test, is it ok to start the Dbol early and start the Test as soon as it arrives?
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Ijk User profile
Yeah i usually wait til i jave everything in hand but if ur running dbol for 7 weeks you should be good. Test e takes about 3-4weeks to kick in. So by the time ur dbol runs out youll be big and strong and the test will help you keep most ur gains.
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Shnicken User profile
Well I ordered all my orals together, including my PCT and adex and then ordered my Test like 2 days after. I know Dbol can shut you down though and Test can take a while to kick. Think I`ll be fine though at 20mg per day.
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JohnSmith User profile
Hey, that is agood simple cycle. Dbol is essentially methylated (structured to be taken orally and broken down in the liver) testosterone. It certainly has benefits to increase strength when taken, but it`s still just test with a high toxicity level. Taking it early would essentially just be an oral test cycle. Patience is important, and there`s no reason to start early just because you have it! Test e had a half life of 3-5 days, so because active at your dose in about 3 weeks. The dbol is used to give you immediate benefits of raised levels in 3-5 days. It is not necvesary after 3 weeks. If you want more test just pin more test! No reason to tax your liver for longer than a few weeks. You might find yourself getting very lethargic and feeling sick after a couple weeks. So, wait til you get your test, and shorten your dbol to 4 weeks. And possibly 2-3 weeks at the end if you are set on taking it because you have it!
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Jason123 User profile
There is no reason you can`t start it early, but what if the test gets seized or is stuck in customs for weeks? You may want to wait until everything arrives.
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Shnicken User profile
Not too concerned, just for the fact that all pct and cycle support arrives with the Dbol so worst case it would be a Dbol only cycle. I do have a local source of some androgel as well if desperately needed.
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nickname_238 User profile
If it was a couple days it wouldn’t be a problem, but 2 weeks is kinda pushing it. For me Dbol usually starts working in 5 days say a week. It may hit you hard with some negative side effects without a test as base. I would hang in there, I know you want to get started, I was in the same position I had some things that were out of my control happen that set my cycle back, and then this damn virus hit. Enjoy your cycle! Take care.
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Shnicken User profile
I have a local source of androgel if things get too bad. Still might wait it out though. Haven`t quite made up my mind. First order hasn`t even hit the US yet so still plenty of time to think on it.
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Recently ordered some of this stuff and wanted to know the best way to run it for a 12 week 500ml/week Test C cycle this would be my first time cycling with Dbol… Stats: 6`0, 227lbs BF%22… i am on TRT but I blast and cruise low 250ml, high 500ml. I am trying to keep size (broad shoulders, back, chest)etc but cut BF%. I also will be running Proviron so would I need to still take Arimadex to beat the blot? That`s what I`m mostly afraid of.It`s the insane strength gains I`m after Im not trying to go crazy and want to put on 45lbs of muscle in 2 weeks I definitely want to take my time. I wear business shirts daily so can`t afford to be busting out of them. LoLPlease show me proper way to run this Test, Proviron, Dbol cycle the safest way. Thanks!
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Will User profile Expert
If your goal is cutting bodyfat, you`re going about it wrong if you`re trying to run dbol. Dbol will increase water weight no matter what you do. You`ll get strong but blost and wet gains will be high. Cutting and taking dbol is going in two opposite directions. Save your first time exposure to dbol for a cycle and when you`ll be eating in a calorie surplus. If you want a dry oral, look into winny or anavar. Also, you mentioned Arimidex to prevent bloat. Arimidex is not for preventing bloating. It`s to keep estrogen levels down and high estrogen will cause water retention, acne, and gyno.
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JB205 User profile Expert
Dbol will add size and strength but some of that size will be puffiness and water retention. I would run Dbol 4 weeks 30mg to 40mg split the dose, morning and an hour or so before workouts or evening. Just watch for lower back and bicep pumps, this can be intense with some people running Dbol. You also need a liver protection like Liv 52 or milk thistle when running orals. Provirin can be taken the entire cycle and will also help a little with estrogen levels to keep them lower. Definitely have armidex on hand and start taking it immediately at 1mg EOD if you start having estrogen sides like gyno, but don`t worry about water retention when running Dbol, it`s going to happen.
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Hey it`s been about 10 days since I`ve answered a ton of questions but I`ve got no reward credits. Ive checked and have up-votes too. Any guys experiencing the same thing?
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Mike87 User profile
Same exact boat. Tons of answers, most with positive votes yet not credit. Hopefully 24roids Comes through. I am sure they will.
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Drol1 User profile
yeah I haven`t seen any credits from that in weeks
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Hiker001 User profile
Yes, same thing No credits since April 7. I sent in a ticket and they send back a message saying ” please give our Payment dept time to look into this” That was 4 days ago. My answers were solid and in 2 of the questions, the highest rated one. Not sure whats going on. I did buy some TEST though… Cant beat the POTW
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Will User profile Expert
Same issue and I st as red a support case to ask if I was misunderstanding something. They just replied with a copy and paste of the rules on this page. I`ll report back if i can get anything more about it from that case.
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Kubera User profile
Bitcoin all the way, download Coinbase and set up an account. Western Union is old school. Bitcoin is immediate, within the hour or less 24roids has the cash and shipping begins
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Looking to try dbol for the first time for 6 weeks. What`s a good starting and or moderate dose? Any advice is appreciated. Thanks in advance
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nickname_76 User profile
25 mg to start is sufficient. Then see how you feel on it. 50 most ppl take as well. 25 morming and 25 1 hour pre workout as well. incredible pumps and size will come.
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BigOlRed User profile
I would start out with taking 25 mg about an hour before you workout and then go from there as far as pre workout maybe try 37 and a half if that goes good up to 50 pre-workout but definitely start with 25
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Roid_Head User profile Expert
20mg in the morning and 20mg pre-workout is all you need. You will gain a lot of water weight in few weeks and gain a lot of strength. Don`t go above 50mg a day and don`t take it more than 6 weeks. It aromatizes, so have some Arimidex on hand. One thing I notice when I take 20mg of Dbol in the morning it generally puts me in a good mood throughout the day, kind of like primo.
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DJ1 User profile
I started with 50mg a day, once a day in the morning with a meal about 15 minutes before with a full glass of water. Dbol is a great addition to whatever cycle you plan on running. Avoid it if you have high pressure or cholesterol, but if you don`t have either of those, 35-50mg/day is perfect, especially if you`re above 170 lbs body weight. You can still yield results on 15-25, but they won`t be as prevalent as a higher dosage. I`ve always used it as a cycle kick-starter; the first 28 days. It`ll give you a real nice strength boost, and don`t mind the water weight you gain, it`ll dissipate after a few weeks.For you; I`d sayStarting dosage: 25-35mgModerate dosage: 35-50mg (better results, careful of your blood pressure)-Former Pharmacy Tech
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Gearpeace User profile Expert
I like it at 25mg split dose per day for the first week then increasing to 50mg/day (split 25am, 25pm). It`ll put some mass on you, but some of that is water retention. HCTZ can help with that. Don`t take Dbol more than 6 weeks. And grab some liv52 to protect your liver.
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JD Cycle User profile Expert
I would start with 20-25mg the first few days until you “feel” the difference. For me, it`s a way to just squeeze a little more out of the amount. Once it kicks, I prefer to take 20-25mg twice a day. I would honestly recommend that you try it for a couple days at 50mg preworkout and 25mg twice a day. I know many who prefer 50 preworkout, I prefer it split. I use 25-50 simply because I prefer to purchase the 50s and cut them, but nothing wrong with running 10s for 20-40mg a day. You would likely see no difference whatsoever. Depending what your other chemical are, I would recommend you entertain only running d-bol for a month vs 6 weeks. After a month, I do not notice much more gains from dbol and any test/deca/npp/tren will be in full tilt at that time. Dbol is intended to be a kick start, not the cycle. Make sure you run some liver protection like tudca and NAC and avoid alcohol. I think you`ll enjoy the DBOL, it give me such a great feeling and it is admittedly hard to come off after a month because I just love how full it makes the muscles feel. Good luck and happy lifting.
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traianos123 User profile
30 mg/day Dianabol is very good, one pill in the morning one before workout and one in the night time, Dianabol dont have a long half life that why is good u spread the dosage throughout the day.
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NeuroMD User profile
For Dbol, contrast to the internet gurus I like to run lower doses for longer. 15-25mg per day split into 2-3 doses throughout day for 6-8 weeks. With this dose and proper care, 8 weeks should not have high risk of toxicity. (I have ran 5mg 3-4x a day for 10 weeks and felt great the entire time and grew like crazy) plus with that time you can actually put on real tissue, Dbol at 60mg a day for 3 weeks will jack the scale weight up like crazy but if you think you`re gonna put on any appreciable lean tissue mass, then pay attention as you deflate like a popped water balloon once use stops.
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pipes51334 User profile
25mgs daily will do you just fine
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jason User profile
20-30mg is a good starting place. You`ll know quick if that is too much. Bloody noses and high blood pressure can come on quick if you go to high. I can`t even look at dbol without getting bloody noses.
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ISN, Expiration date and lot number missing from the package? All photos from the website show them with this information along with photos from other customers. I want to make sure they are good to go before using them.
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Dromeo User profile
How many packs did you order? Not one of them has that info on it? That`s odd. Never happened to me before. Contact 24roids and see if they can help you. I`m sure it`s no big deal.
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Juice24roids User profile Expert
Hey Steve, I haven`t received any GP products with that information missing. Usually it`s printed in a kind of different ink from the rest of the package. As you know these UGLs change packaging and pill shape, size, color etc. at their own discretion. I would say it`s good to go but open a ticket with 24roids anyway. Thanks for the question
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Shadow User profile
I`ve used them and all info was on my packets. Only way to tell if they`re good is to try them out. If you didn`t feel safe taking them, then throw them out. It`s that simple. Obviously 24roids won`t take them back, lol. Choice is yours, good luck….
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Tex User profile
I`ve had this happen and the product was still good to go. You gotta remember, these are underground labs, not multinational pharmaceutical companies with extensive quality control.
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PunchNpie User profile
No I`ve never once heard of that happening. Could be as simple as a printing mishap. Regardless contact 24roids right away and see what they have to say about it.
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nickname_764 User profile
they are from 24roids they are fine. gp is strong stuff bro. even if its expired doesnt matter. its not like your gonna tgrow throw them away
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What`s up fellasI`m currently running .Grey Tops 2ius 5 on 2 It`s week 5 and I`m hoping to 3ius 5 on 2 offWeek 5 test Enanthanate 250 Monday and 250 ThursdayEQ 250 Monday and 250 ThursdayGood gains I`m JUST THINKING of addingDbol 40mgs for 4 weeks ?I would usually kick start with the Dbol but I was comfortable with what I hadAm I foolish to add Dbol at such a late date????My stats and history been up for a long time I`m 48 2 kids have ran just about everythingAny help and advice would be greatly appreciated!
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traianos123 User profile
Is not late to add the Dbol, for sure is worth adding it, it will give some strenght and some mass, it seems that u know what are u doing, just add the D-bol i think at 30mg/day and u will improve your results. When i take more than 30mg/day i dont feel good from it, but at this dose i love it.
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Dr Scott User profile Expert
Sure you can, you are essentially running a cycle in the middle of your GH which lots of people including myself do. Dbol can be run anytime in your cycle as long as you stick to proper dose and duration. i have always felt that GH works so much better with the addition of AAS whatever you do. The whole kickstart thing frankly is overrated, this lifestyle is a marathon not a sprint IMO. Take care
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J-Juice User profile
I definitely use d-bol at the beginning of my cycle. Have you considered using Winstrol (injectable) for the last 5-6 weeks of your cycle. Or if you`re wanting the size and strength go with Tren A for 6-8 weeks just drop your test down to 250 per week.
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GainsVille_85 User profile
I don’t think it’s too late. DBol works relatively quickly. Be sure to watch for any additional estrogen sides.
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Skuchie(2) User profile
If you`re getting good results with your current cycle I would hesitate to add another compound at this stage in the game.
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Jack User profile
If your doing well like skutch said don’t overthink and just go as you are doing
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Yeah skitt there`s a few guys the have multiple profiles and it`s obvious,24roids will delete all their accounts and will lose all rewards. Anyway how but these 24roids orals just hope I don`t have to wait 3months on the shipping,I have Alot of honest earned rewards to spend
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skitt User profile
lol Yeah buddy, I know man.. Just funny how some people switch there names or change them but still ask the same questions 4 5 times a weeks as if the answers the first time wern`t good enough cause they want validations to due something they shouldn`t but its there body, what do we know right ? lol You know on my last order I had 4 packages and all came in 11 days or less bro.. I wasn`t expecting that.. All though 1 package didn`t I had to open a ticket with 24roids as I didn`t get my Caber for my Tren cycle I want to run in May.. Other then that shipping worked out awesome for me.. Honestly I have some rewards saved up but I would love love love to do a 10 pack of whinny and T bol from geneza to stock up for a while.. the 6 weeks whinny I did at end of my cycle did awesome for me and cutting up.. The wife can`t keep her hands of my abs lol ha ha.. Anyways I enjoy reading your comments bro you make me laugh with your bluntness.. Love it. keep it up and have a great day
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Swolebro User profile
Shipping is pretty damn iffy right now. Anytime I ordered geneza products it took me anywhere from 2 weeks to a month to receive them and this was before they got slammed with orders. You cant go wrong with geneza tho. I had excellent results with their orals and test.
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Juice24roids User profile Expert
Hey Swole, I have noticed some suspect activity in the answers section. It seems like the questions are getting answered very, very fast and with low quality answers. It makes sense if these answers are from individuals with multiple accounts. I`m not familiar with what you are talking about regarding orals but I`m going to take a look. Thanks for the question
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Pookie User profile
Shipping was slow af during the holidays but seems to be fixed ….
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Larry User profile Expert
You can get from European or Indian labs until the Asian shipping issue gets resolved. Hilma, Rus bio, Aastet and etc…
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Dromeo User profile
I’ve never tried Geneza orals before. These deals are too insane to pass up.
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Seems like it is under dosed 6 days ay 40mgs and nothing
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nickname_21 User profile Expert
What do you expect it`s only 6 days even 20mg of dbol will yield results what`s your cycle history are you running it with test if not them your probably not gonna gain anything but water becuase your natural t will diminish and loose mucle. Are you eating at a calorie surplus if all these are in check check back in 5 weeks and let us know yuh our gains. Also the half life is 4 hours so are you taking them 4 times a day. 24roids does considerable testing and if any product comes underdosed or worse it would be pulled from the shelf
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Gearpeace User profile Expert
Need more info. What other compounds are you taking with Dbol? I`m using GP Dbol 50mg/day and it`s getting me jacked. Split dose 25am, 25pm. Also running test 500mg/week and EQ 600mg/week.
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JB205 User profile Expert
I`m on week 4 of 40mg a day and it took almost 2 weeks to start really seeing the effects. Give it time
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nickname_464 User profile
I would have to disagree as I`ve noticed a gain with only 10mg a day. I have never found GP products to be underdosed. Keep at it and be sure to drink plenty of water and work hard in the gym. Best of luck mate.
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Papi1266 User profile
What is your diet like? You have to consume like a monster, also what are you using with it? It`s good to run some kind of test with it as well.
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Swoll,onthe,low User profile
Haha well I`ll tell you what buddy why don`t you go on and double up your dose tough guy and see how that hits you please please please give us a update after running double dose for a few days then tell us it`s under dose that is the most ridiculous statement I have heard about this company
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Anyone had package come through ISC New York recently. One of my packages arrived on the 4th of Dec and says processed through our facility but hasn`t updated anything else since then.
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John Rambo User profile
Sometimes these things take a not of time. I have had packages sir in customs for over a week. It will come through. Not to worry. Even if on the sleight chance it does get seized 24roids will take care of you.
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Juice24roids User profile Expert
Hey JB, I had a few packages come through NY recently. Some of the packages stay in NY for up to 2 weeks so don`t worry, 4 days is nothing. You`ll be chilling thinking the product isn`t moving then all of a sudden “In transit to next facility” then “scheduled for delivery tomorrow.” Postal system is so unpredictable. As you probably know, patience is key. I`d guess it`s a 96% chance it gets delivered. Keep us updated. Thanks for the question.
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traianos123 User profile
I am sure that u will receive soon your order, just u have to be patient, enjoy your gear when will come 🙂 good luck
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skitt User profile
Same here, Have had packages there anywhere from a week to 2 weeks…Just be patient man I`m not trying to be rude but there have been soooo many post just like this daily with everyone complaining about there package after a couple days as if its lost… People need to understand this is the highest trafficking part of postal service of the year right now and it`s going to take time.. If its been there more then 30 days or even 3 weeks then start getting worried… Either way its moving sooo your all good… good luck
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Barry Gibson User profile
It`s normal. It can take up to 3 weeks for customs clearance. If after 30 days since the shipping date you still haven`t received your package just inform 24roids and they`ll fix the problem.
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N88 User profile
Lately most have came thru NY for some reason. Itll make it out of distro no problem
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In regards to your question concerning your order from Ukraine. My order processed through Ukraine on the 20th as well and today I got an update from USPS saying it arrived in New York, so no worries, as long as it gets through customs in NY, your still good.
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EDubz User profile
Good to hear, I`m waiting on a package coming from
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Matthew User profile
I have 4 packages coming in this month. 2 arrived both from Singapore. 2 hasn`t. These 2 went thru Ukraine. Both was processed thru custom and is good to go. But there`s no update since 20th and 29th. I m getting nervous on the first one. 3 more days until it hits 30 days from marked “Shipped”. I still think it`s fine. So you are not along. Good luck to me and you buddy!! 🙂
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RFB User profile
I ordered GP Turinabol on October 27. Product departed Ukraine on November 6 and arrived in US customs New York on November 25. Product delivered to me on December 2nd. USPS website still shows product at local post office awaiting delivery. No doubt shipping this time of year is taking a little longer. For Lord Drip and all those waiting for your gear, RELAX!!! It`s on the way!!!
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Mr.smith User profile
It`s so annoying but it is what it is. I don`t think I`ve ever had to wait more than 3 weeks after first shipping confirmation to get an update that it`s in NY then I get it a few days later. Except for one time I watched the notifications go all the way up and down the east coast for a month.. dragon pharma did the address wrong and made the post office ship it in circles til I could track down exactly where it was that minute and they went in the wharehouse and fixed it…
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RJB16 User profile
I have had all my orders except this last one come from China or the Ukraine and only had 1 problem. 24roids is making it right!
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Johnny Longsockz User profile
The same usually happens to me too glad I`m not only one
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On that note that was super odd I dont even know what happend did he just repost something cause I did on a question i was curious about just random reading the i came across and somehow this turned into some other shit I won`t be asking questions no more and yeah did I answer to my post fuck yeah I did no hate at all no bad blood lol IDK how that turned into that over a post but hey just prolly better to do your own research and I will do that much love guys
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Juice24roids User profile Expert
I totally get you and please don`t stop asking questions. There`s no hate or bad blood. Some other guy disguised himself as “dr scott” and commented some hateful bad blood stuff that had nothing to do with you. All that BS has nothing to do with you. You just got caught up in the mix because it was your question. You are not at fault AT ALL. Keep asking questions bro, you can`t control who misinterprets stuff. Keep it pushing
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N88 User profile
This isnt that big of a deal but hopefully doesn`t become the norm on this site. Keep asking questions. Everyone will have forgotten all about this in an hour =)
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RJB16 User profile
Keep the Q/A going lets just be adults… Enjoy some Turkey and Taters…
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Dr Scott User profile Expert
No brother, some childish dude is using my name. Really no big deal, nothing about you. You have questions, i have questions. He was upset i posted instead of answering a question, but its really about me not wanting to steal $2 and leaving space for people who have something new to add then anything. I thought i was doing the right thing but maybe it comes off a certain way, I cant be too concerned and neither should you. but everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Not sure why he is using my name though, just confuses things. no worries
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JB205 User profile Expert
WTF. How did a sauna suit question turn into a pissing contest. And WTF does a question about sauna suits have to do with 24roids Q and A? And for the record, I would only use a sauna suit for necessary drastic weight cuts that are only needed to hold a certain weight for a very short period of time, as in 24 to 48 hours and then suck down pedialyte as quickly as possible lol. This is just my personal experience from helping Soldiers cut weight for weigh ins and MMA when I was younger and currently helping my son with his weight cuts safely for wrestling instead of taking advice from his idiot friends who will probably compete dehydrated and die, just kidding, I stepped in and gave them safe and responsible advice as well. Happy Thanksgiving
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Darth User profile
I think we all have to remember that on an open forum like this, there are bound to be different viewpoints and personalities. The only time we should really correct each other is if someone is providing clearly inaccurate info.
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First time. I want to run an oral only stack any suggestions? Preferably something that`ll take notice mid cycle or at the end
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Zach Linder User profile Expert
No oral only cycles. It`s going to have diminishing returns and negative sides. If you want to do a cycle, test e or test c at 350ng per week would be the way to go. Grab an AI, HCG and PCT as well. Good luck
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NPC LIFE User profile
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First time. I want to run an oral only stack any suggestions? Preferably something that`ll take notice mid cycle or at the end
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Zach Linder User profile Expert
No oral only cycles. It`s going to have diminishing returns and negative sides. If you want to do a cycle, test e or test c at 350ng per week would be the way to go. Grab an AI, HCG and PCT as well. Good luck
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NPC LIFE User profile
I strongly suggest not to do an oral only cycle. You need test. Orals will shut your test level down to zero unless you synthetically add test. I suggest 500mg test E. I would honestly stay away from orals all together. Very toxic on the body. I only do orals when I`m in prep.
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Dr Scott User profile Expert
Well everyone will say take test but tell that to the entire east German team that ate TBOL like it was pez or Jon bones Jones. Obviously, all the orals work best with test for a whole bunch or reasons and that`s fine but not the question you asked. If i were to suggest a single oral it would be TBOl or DBOL these drugs were actually designed to be used alone! TBOL is cheap, effective and perhaps a little safer then DBOL. I expect you could make some gains using them alone, I dont. TBOL 30-60mg a day or DBOL 20-100mg a day. obviously on the lower end for a newbie. good luck, just trying to answer your question and not pass judgement or preach. good luck
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skitt User profile
Yes I agree with all the comments here but if you choose to do just oral then T bol or D bol.. possibly go with T bol as it doesnt aromatize so you wont have to worry about estro sides an water weight but with D bol you will probably get more strength gains and weight but again it aromatizes so you do have to worry about estro sides with D bol.. also depending on your doses if you dont go to high you can run 6 to 8 weeks but very liver toxic and again depends on doses most use these as a kickstart at good doses so 4 to 6 weeks is normal… as most will say to run test as most orals will shut you down.. but Dr Scott is correct… so even if you ran a small base of say 250 mg a week it would only make your cycle that much better.. but thats up to you… ohhh I just remember T bol lowers your SHBG meaning more free test running through your body… another up side… good luck bro
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Trenbologna sandwich User profile
You could do Dbol 25 mg a day for 4 weeks then 50 mg for 4 weeks. I would really recommend test with it though idk if it’s just an aversion to needles or something but it is super beneficial and it really doesn’t hurt plus you only have to inject twice a week. Good luck with your cycle brother.
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Blaha User profile Expert
Oral only huh. Well you can do 50mg anadrol a day. Or 40mg dbol a day. Not sure what your goals are but what ever oral you take gonna surpress your test and you wont be able to get it up for several weeks and plus all the other negative side effext of have low test levels you can run a small dosage of test like 200mg a week or 100mg every 5 days. I really like tbol at 40mg per day its dryer and you wont look as puffy winstrol is good too at 50mg per day wont put on to much wieght but will gain strength
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First time. I want to run an oral only stack any suggestions? Preferably something that`ll take notice mid cycle or at the end
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Skuchie User profile
Only advice is don`t do it. Orals are best and only utilized when stacked with an underlying testosterone base.
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Fit_mom User profile
I suppose you could try an oral only. However your natural test production will drop. You will always see suggestions to run test with an oral steroid. A low dose of 250mg a week of test e/c. That`s if you have never ran gear. There is a thought process with this gear madness. If your a woman you can get away from running test. Good luck
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Will User profile Expert
Why would you run an oral only stack when you cannot keep any of the gains you make due to your test levels being down in the dumps. At LEAST run Test with it so you keep something. Sure, you`ll get a strength boost and you`ll appear more filled out and heavier on the scale, but all of that is lost regardless of how hard you train and eat because your testosterone is the hormone that matters and you`re allowing it to be suppressed.
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nickname_464 User profile
You could try running the Testo caps which are a testosterone pill with maybe some dbol bit they are both liver toxic and not sure you`d really get the gains you are looking for. Look under oral steroids and testosterone. If you do decide to do this be sure to follow up with your pct. Or look up the oral stack offered by 24roids. Best of luck mate.
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Unc33135 User profile
Im not going to give you the dont run an oral only cycle answer. While yes you prob shouldnt do it because its hard to keep the gains and it will shut you down amongst other things. If you were to do it i would to with dbol. Youll put on weight and gain strength pretty quickly but you cant run it more then 4 to 6 weeks and again it will be hard to keep the gains. Ive done this before and everything i put on i started to lose as soon as i stopped.
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N88 User profile
Recommend you dont do an oral only. You`ll tank your test levels and will feel like crap. Plus say bye bye to all your gains
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What do y`all recommend for a good liver protectant?
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Sherwin User profile
NAC, TUDCA, or Liv-52 – all are relatively inexpensive and can be purchased online on ebay, amazon, etc.
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Trenbologna sandwich User profile
I just use milk thistle from gnc
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JB205 User profile Expert
Milk thistle or liv52.
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nickname_458 User profile
TUDCA and NAC are the best two in my opinion.
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John User profile
Try Liv52. You can get it on Amazon. Or try Coline Inositol
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nickname_464 User profile
Milk thistle, liv 52, and tundca are all excellent for helping with liver protection. Beat of luck mate.
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What is the best solid all around pumps and energy pre workout to get you going and ready to bulldoze through your workouts and for a good price as well, I was on the dbol just to ask this question has nothing to do with dbol just a solid pre for the money
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Swoleville User profile
For me I like superdrol. I feel it in minutes and get great pumps in the gym.
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patsalos mixalis User profile
everyone is different some like dbol others anadrol
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LongIslandBEAST User profile
For me Anadrol has been the best pre I have ever used. The Bros I lift with swear by the injectable stuff though. I believe there is an injectable dbol mixed with something else. And the old Bros love the test suspension. Dudes are straight pinning in the parking lot haha. I wouldn’t go that far but it seems to work for them.
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YD1 User profile
Whats up bud. Androl does it for me. In addition, when im not on adrol I take some Test TNE base. That gives me crazy pump and energy at gym and even all day. Just 50mg of test base and you will be up and running. Tbol does the same tying as well. Good luck bud.
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Rocky User profile
Superdrol and Anadrol. You can`t go wrong with either of the two. I feel better pumps and more alert on Superdro. Great workouts and all around stronger in the gym.
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Fit_mom User profile
For me and my husband it has been tren ace. Not that you feel anything special after injection. It is the feeling of being strong as f*** and being able to move heavy weight. It`s a different feeling than say a quick adrenaline pump. It`s like sustained strength and desire to move weight. I have heard of some taking a test suspension as wel . Good luck
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I`m gonna run a 12 week cycle of a mix 200 mgs of test E and Prop at 150 mgs a week . Want to add Dbol in for fist four weeks at probably 20-25 mgs.. What is the best eblocker to use throughout my cycle ? and for a PCT i found a pct product that has 50mgs of clomid 25mgs of proviron and 20mgs of nolva combined into a pill is that good to take ? and when should I start with the pct ?
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YD1 User profile
Hey. Usually i take Arimidex at 0.5 every injection day. Which are mondays and Thursdays. You might not needed or you will. But if your taking dbol i do recommend it. Everyone is different. You might beed more or less. I suggest anadrol instead of dbol.
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Skuchie User profile
Enanthate is a long ester and will take 10 days to totally clear your system. So it’s safe to start your PCT, at roughly 7 days after last shot. I personally buy each individual product for PCT, as opposed to one pill. You can always have it on hand and You never fully know what’s having the most effect on your recovery because they’re all combined. I personally only use HCG and Clomid, and that works. But I run .5 arimidex EOD if I’m doing 500mg enanthate per week. So the added compounds in a PCT pill may only serve to put an added strain on the system that’s unnecessary.
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Veronica Blekis User profile
Throughout your cycle, the common AI protocol is .5 tab of arimidex EOD. Personally, I only use it on the days I inject the 250mg of enanthate, so twice a week. As for PCT, I don’t like the premade pills just because I like knowing what exactly I’m using. So if that pill has the dose and the protocol you want to follow, buy the individual compounds and then do it. Personally, I only use Clomid and HCG, like stated earlier. Never used proviron, or nolva.
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JD Cycle User profile Expert
This sounds like your first cycle type question. If so, I would skip the dbol as it will just add more sides to your cycle and you need to get your AI under control and understand how your body reacts to gear. I became a fan of aromasin, but that`s because of my significant vulnerability towards gyno (I started getting gyno on a TRT dose). You can pick Arimidex or Aromasin, but make sure you purchase enough for about 1 pill a day in case you need it (don`t start at a full pill). If you are dead set on Dbol, get your AI under control and close out your cycle with dbol instead of starting it. Again, I recommend not doing the dbol at all, but I realize many are just dead set and stubborn.
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Does anyone have a discount code I can use for 10 % off . I know it helps us both out. Can anyone help out with this.
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Nashdaddy User profile
Not allowed to post in this forum but i have one if you want me to send to you some other way.
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omeed haji User profile
u can use discount only for first time order if u are not new in 24roids u not going to get discount even if u have a code
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N88 User profile
They`ll toss the question normally but would not mind at all sharing. hmu if the other three dont work….
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I`m stopping my cycle early. I took 25 mg dbol daily and 300 mg test e per week. I did this for 3 weeks and have stopped taking all compounds. What type of pct, if any, would be recommended?
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Winstrolback User profile
Usually 2 weeks from last injection you would start taking nolvadex (tamoxifen) everyday 40 mg for two weeks and 20 mg everyday for 2 weeks (40/40/20/20) hope this helps good luck!
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Mike Jones User profile Expert
It would be nice to know why you stopped less than a month in, was it side effects? Or just lifestyle choice. But as for a pct I’d recommend a full pct of either nolva or clomid for 4 weeks either 100/100/50/50 clomid or 40/40/20/20 nolva. Pct gets confused as to being the reason your natural levels come back up it is in part, but the main mechanism of pct because these are serms we’re talking about is to manipulate the hormones we don’t want being raised ie estrogen and prolactin to give our body the time to raise our natural test again seems themselves don’t mechanically raise test but they help to equalize our other hormones to give the test a chance to raise. With dbol and test building to almost peak levels at 3 weeks you will have a substantially large increase of estrogen this is why a full 4 week pct would be recommended
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Beard User profile
Definitely curious why u stopped. The test was pretty much just starting to kick in. I`m assuming u weren`t taking an AI which u most definitely need on dbol
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GainsVille_85 User profile
These are moderate dosages, you are likely not fully shut down yet. Still, the safe thing to do is run a full PCT. The protocol outlined above should be all you need. Good luck.
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Scott User profile
As stated above. A nolva PCT will suffice. 40/40/20/20 for 4 weeks. 40mgs a day for the first and second week. 20mgs a day for the third and fourth. Hope all is well with your health or whatever reason behind you stopping so early.
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evan johnson User profile Expert
Take clomid at 100mg ed for 2 weeks followed by clomid at 50mg ed for another 4-6 weeks accompanied by nolvadex at 20mg ed.
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I`ve been taking 25mg dianabol daily and 400mg test E weekly for the last 3 weeks. This is my first cycle. Yesterday I was sitting in a meeting and I suddenly felt my heart rate creeping up. It reached a point where my heart was beating extremely quickly and hard, I felt hot and sweaty, my whole body felt numb and tingly and I thought I was very close to fainting. This episode lasted about 15 seconds and was extremely unpleasant and frightening. About 10 minutes later I felt another episode coming. I focused on my breathing and staying calm and I was able to control my heart rate. The whole thing was very unpleasant because I was feeling these symptoms and there was nothing I could do to stop them. Today I feel extra aware of my heart beat, my breathing is slightly more labored than usual, and it feels like there`s a small weight on my chest. Has anyone ever experienced this?
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anonymous255 User profile
Possibly hypertension? I would stop the dbol, lower the test to 200-250mg, and then go get blood work.
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evan johnson User profile Expert
No I have not experienced this. This is probably more related to your preworkout dosage and you should consider lowering it.
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Maison User profile
I would stop taking the dbol they make your blood pressure go up.
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Massgains User profile
I’ve personally never experienced this but a lot of research shows dbols not being good for your blood pressure. You could of put your self in that state by your bp going up alittle than you getting Nervous that there’s something wrong and made it go up more. Is still stop the dbol and see if it happens again.
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Socaljuicer User profile Expert
I would consider just dropping the Dbol, 400mg of year should not cause issues in a healthy adult.
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Joe Hodgins User profile
I too agree that it was most likely due to your rise in blood pressure. I’d stop the Dbol and see if it still persists. If it does, lower your dose of test by 100mg. If stopping the Dbol results in feeling normal again then when/if you start up again, take half of what u were talking and only up the dosage when you feel you need to
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Can coffee/ caffeine cause blood pressure spikes while on cycle? I`m on 30mg of dbol daily and 250mg of test e per week. I posted on Friday seeking advice for symptoms that lined up with high bp and have temporarily stopped taking dbol and am planning on bumping the test up to 400/500 mg per week. I`m now thinking I won`t drink any coffee during my cycle. I have had bad experiences with caffeine before where my heart rate, breathing, and anxiety will randomly spike and takes a couple days to go back to normal.
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Coyt User profile
I mean its possible, judging by the fact that its happened in your past im assuming you either drink a lot of coffee or are just very succeptible to caffeines side effects personally id cut it out of your diet
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nickname_610 User profile
Yes it is possible, coffee increase blood pressure.
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Fllera User profile
caffeine raise your HR and when your HR goes up your bp will goes up as well. But the effect that happen to the bp by caffeine should be temporally and it should not be dangerous unless you have bp problem. or you do not train your HR by doing intense exercises.
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Marcus User profile
Coffee definitely raise blood pressure. Roid do too. You can stop drinking coffee and see is it going to improve a little. Anyways you can buy hawthorn berry supplement and try it helps lowering high blood pressure.
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anonymous99 User profile
It helps when you provide your age and bodyweight, bf% too. Your cycle is real low and I don`t understand who and why made this plan for you. It is almost close to HRT dose. Take 500 mg test/ week if you want to see decent gains. Anyway if coffee makes you feel this way why don`t you just cut your serving size in half? You probably are not a regular coffee drinker and it is nothing serious. Cut the serving down .. Do more cardio and workout consistently 4 to 5 times a week and you should be fine.
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Socaljuicer User profile Expert
Absolutely yes, coffee/caffeine can spike your blood pressure and exacerbate existing high blood pressure conditions. For this reason, if you can manage to avoid caffeine all together, that is best. If not, consider taking low-dose/baby aspirin.
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I`m 2 weeks into a Dianabol & Test E cycle. Today and Yesterday I wasn`t feeling as good as I normally do. I feel like my heart is beating a little faster and harder than usual and my breathing is more labored than usual. My overall energy levels are down as well. When I was in the gym I felt like if I pushed too hard, I wouldn`t be able to continue and would have to stop early. I started with 20mg dbol daily and 250mg test e per week. I bumped the dbol up to 30mg a day after experiencing 0 side effects through my first week. I have an AI (Anastrazole) on hand, but have not taken any yet because I haven`t experienced any sides. I take lots of omega-3 daily as well as a multivitamin, vitamin d3, and a liver support all daily. Is it time to take the AI, will this go away on its own? Should I lower the dbol dosage? Are these signs of high blood pressure, bad lipid profile etc…? Thanks in advance.
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SocalJuicer User profile Expert
Sounds like typical high blood pressure + estrogen symptoms to me… Make sure you are drinking a TON of water, and consider taking a low dosage of asprin (common acetylsalicylic acid) until symptoms subside. I generally only have had these symptoms with the inclusion of oral steroids. So consider taking a break for a day or two on the dbol. It`s a great compound, and can add a lot of strength, but the gains on it are typically lost upon cessation.
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Marcus User profile
The only way to find out whats wrong is to do bloodwork. Thats not high dosage and if thats your 2nd week test e havent even kicked in yet so dont take adex. I guess you havent done cycles before. I always get fly like symptoms after I start cycle and it last 2-3 weeks.
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Fllera User profile
A high heart beat is a sign of high pressure. I would try to lower the dose of the Dbol and watch my sodium intake. if your were not doing high intense cardio sessions to train your heart. I would suggest you do. I f that did not work. I would suggest to completely stop the Dbol. Good luck.
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Nick User profile Expert
Stop taking blood thinners like Omega 3 because they worsen your blood pressure and 250mg a week is almost TRT dose so the reason you are not getting any estrogen side effects even with dbol is because your test levels are almost at a normal level. By the way get a blood pressure monitoring kit from amazon, you check you blood pressure daily
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nickname_556 User profile
Sound like high bp Get you blood work done and dose ai and other meds accordingly can`t really play the guesimg game with this stuff or you could permanently mess your self up as
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I’m planning a dbol and test cyp cycle as my next cycle and I wanted to get some info in regards to dosing. I plan on taking 40mgs of dbol for the first 4 weeks and 500mgs of test cyp a week for the full ten weeks. How many doses should I break the 40mgs into a day? How often do I need to take through out the day to keep my blood levels stable? 40mgs a day is the plan what I’m looking for is what dose to break it down per serving and how many times a day
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SteveC User profile
Dbol has a rather short half life of 4-6 hours. If stable blood levels is what you want then you will need to take 10mg four times a day. Some people use dbol as basically a preworkout, but I think that is a bad idea personally. I would rather have the stable blood levels as you yourself suggested.
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Dude User profile
As stated above, due to the short half life, I have found good power and energy taking it about 30 minutes before or up to 2 hours before with a meal. You don`t need to dose it out since this not using it for the full cycle.
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N88 User profile
On paper breaking it up though out the day looks like a great plan due to “stable” blood levels but really tried it a dozen different ways over the years and by far taking the entire 40 mgs preworkout (1 hour prior) is the best in my opinion. You`ll get the highest highs right when you hit the weights and the pumps and post workout recovery is amazing. Splitting it up will keep this hormone slightly more stable but instead you`ll have a moderate amount the entire day vs utilizing around the workout. If anything try it it both ways and see which one works better. if i dose more than 50 mgs i split half half ….half 8 to 10 hours apart.
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Mr and Mrs J User profile
Optimally 3 times a day. However it works however you take it. Once in the morning. Pre workout or split up
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B Rad User profile Expert
At least twice but optimally 4 times, I know it seems excessive but dbol has a shorter half life than many orals. Just try to get it into multiple doses per day but dont pull your hair out.
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Scott User profile
Seems everyone touched on it but IMO 10 weeks is alil short with test C long esters. You can easily and safely extend that cycle out to 12-14 weeks. Just my 2cents. Goodluck on your cycle bro.
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Really need help on cycle support. I’ve been using N2Guard for the last 2 cycles which I ran test cyp at 500mg a week and ran dbol the first 4 weeks to kick start. I know orals can be very hard on the liver and organs so I just wanna take precautions as best as possible. N2Guard is very expensive and I just want advice if it’s worth the cost? I’ve also been looking at Rich Piana 5% Nutrition Liver and Organ Defender which is way more cost efficient and looks dosed generously. What kind of cycle support is best for on cycle post cycle and completely off cycle? Any advise greatly appreciated
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Vincent Valentine User profile Expert
As the term suggests, cycle support is only used while on-cycle in order to mitigate the stress placed on the liver by hepatoxic (liver-toxic) compounds. If a user isn`t taking hepatoxic compounds cycle support isn`t necessary. An easy example is the cycle you laid out in your question. If you took d-bol for the first four weeks, and you didn`t take any other compounds besides testosterone on-cycle, then you`d only have to take cycle support for the four weeks you took d-bol. Learning which compounds in a stack (if any) are hepatoxic is important in determining if/when a user should take cycle support. For cycle support I personally stick to classic TUDCA at 500mg-1000mg every day for the duration that I`m taking hepatoxic compounds. It`s reasonably priced and highly effective. I`ve heard good things about N2Guard, but as it doesn`t contain TUDCA and it`s relatively expensive I`ve never tried it.
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N88 User profile
Spot on V2. I use tudca from amazon and himalaya from the vitamin shoppe (also on amazon) when taking orals then blast milk thistle for two weeks after. All this isnt necessary but I always take extra precautions since all of it it pretty cheap
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Mr and Mrs J User profile
I use rich pianas organ defender. Its good stuff. Science backs it up from the research I did
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Scott User profile
N2guard is not worth it at all! Don’t buy into the BS. A simple TUDCA and NAC daily protocol will be completely legit and leave you with plenty of date night cash left over. N2 will cover the bases for a cycle support but it’s also a complete waste of cash. Get TUDCA and NAC off amazon and you’re GTG.
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LegacyLifter User profile
NAC, which can be bought on Amazon, at 1200 mg during the cycle and 500 after the cycle for a few weeks. Get a blood test afterwards to check liver values.
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nickname_957 User profile
NAC and Tudca are the way man
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Really need help on cycle support. I’ve been using N2Guard for the last 2 cycles which I ran test cyp at 500mg a week and ran dbol the first 4 weeks to kick start. I know orals can be very hard on the liver and organs so I just wanna take precautions as best as possible. N2Guard is very expensive and I just want advice if it’s worth the cost? I’ve also been looking at Rich Piana 5% Nutrition Liver and Organ Defender which is way more cost efficient and looks dosed generously. What kind of cycle support is best for on cycle post cycle and completely off cycle? Any advise greatly appreciated
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Vincent Valentine User profile Expert
As the term suggests, cycle support is only used while on-cycle in order to mitigate the stress placed on the liver by hepatoxic (liver-toxic) compounds. If a user isn`t taking hepatoxic compounds cycle support isn`t necessary. An easy example is the cycle you laid out in your question. If you took d-bol for the first four weeks, and you didn`t take any other compounds besides testosterone on-cycle, then you`d only have to take cycle support for the four weeks you took d-bol. Learning which compounds in a stack (if any) are hepatoxic is important in determining if/when a user should take cycle support. For cycle support I personally stick to classic TUDCA at 500mg-1000mg every day for the duration that I`m taking hepatoxic compounds. It`s reasonably priced and highly effective. I`ve heard good things about N2Guard, but as it doesn`t contain TUDCA and it`s relatively expensive I`ve never tried it.
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N88 User profile
Spot on V2. I use tudca from amazon and himalaya from the vitamin shoppe (also on amazon) when taking orals then blast milk thistle for two weeks after. All this isnt necessary but I always take extra precautions since all of it it pretty cheap
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Mr and Mrs J User profile
I use rich pianas organ defender. Its good stuff. Science backs it up from the research I did
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Scott User profile
N2guard is not worth it at all! Don’t buy into the BS. A simple TUDCA and NAC daily protocol will be completely legit and leave you with plenty of date night cash left over. N2 will cover the bases for a cycle support but it’s also a complete waste of cash. Get TUDCA and NAC off amazon and you’re GTG.
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LegacyLifter User profile
NAC, which can be bought on Amazon, at 1200 mg during the cycle and 500 after the cycle for a few weeks. Get a blood test afterwards to check liver values.
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nickname_957 User profile
NAC and Tudca are the way man
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First time trying dbol and I`m a light-weight 5`10 160lb. Is 10mg ED pre-workout enough for me to see significant results? Or should I do 20mg ED split into AM/PM? Or even more? Basically what`s the lowest dose I can take and still see great results if taken for 4 weeks?
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Swoleville User profile
You always want to err on the side of caution. Start out on a low dose and see how your body responds. If you handle the sides well then increase the dose accordingly
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anonymous99 User profile
Start with 20mgs at least and work up to 30 if you don`t notice desired effect. You wanna see some sort of results 10mg wont do anything for you.
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LegacyLifter User profile
You don`t need high starting doses like everyone says, especially for your first time trying it. My recommendation is to not split the doses. Taking the dose every day one time and make sure you take it about 1-2 hours before a workout. Start with 10 mg for up to a week and if you don`t notice any results then up it to 20 mg.
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B Rad User profile Expert
Assuming youre using it for the first 4 weeks as a kickstart to a test cycle and not as a standalone. 20 mgs per day for the first 4 weeks will get your cycle off to a strong start, especially if its your first.
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Lav3ga User profile Expert
You will get a pump and that`s about it. If you want real gains run a real cycle. 350mg of test e for 8 week with some dbol would be great. Dbol only will not make any real gains, just add water while your on, and then leave you shit down after. Horrible play.
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mchilds User profile
Are you a female? Says Lizzie so wasn’t sure. Best to start off low dose regardless and see how you respond. I see results from orals at lower doses personally. If you are a male I would not waste my time (use test instead)but if you are a female I also wouldn’t touch it and go with anavar instead.
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I have been running Test C 500 mg for a while and looking to add some Dbol and Deca. My question is if 4 weeks on and 4 weeks off too short a cycle for Dbol. I am considering 500mg test C. .. 30mg Dbol and Letro 1-2mg (eod) for weeks 1-4 then taking out the Dbol and using Deca 300mg for weeks 5-8 then back to dbol for weeks 9-12. .etc for 16 weeks and ending with a cruising cycle of test C 400mg for 8 weeks before repeating cycle. How off am I?
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Mike Jones User profile Expert
I don’t know where you got this cycle layout but your Way off, first off deca is a long estered compound at 4 weeks the molecule won’t even have built up in your system and you will see nothing from it, unless your using npp which is not deca this would be pointless, you’d be better off running it the entire cycle with your test and caber of course, then throwing in the dbol for 4-5 weeks to kickstart, next idk why you’d want to cycle on and off dbol your only going to bloat up come off and bloat down and then bloat up again, at least you said “cruising cycle” instead of “cruise dose” cause that’s what 400mg is a cycle at that mg your androgen receptors are still going to be overworked. Even tho I wouldn’t recommend this you’d be better off running the deca 300 & test 500 for 16 weeks with 4-5 week of dbol for kickstart coming down to 200-300mg of test for 4-8 weeks and then blasting again with the deca/test/dbol In your case
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RJB User profile
Agree with MJ, you should follow his advise it has gotten me on the right course. I have run a Deca/Test cycle for 12 weeks and did a 6 week Test/ Tren and has always worked for me.
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GainsVille_85 User profile
Run the dbol as a kick start. By the time you finish 4 weeks of it the deca will have kicked in. Run the deca the entire cycle. You need to allow time for these compounds to work. A more complicated cycle does not equal a “better” cycle.
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SocalJuicer User profile Expert
No offense, but this is a complete mess, and you need to do a LOT more research before adding any more compounds or making any changes. (1) Deca durabolin is a long ester (time release) compound that will take 3-4 weeks to kick in just like the testosterone. You need to either drop it altogether, or run in throughout your cycle. (2) Letro is a TERRIBLE choice for an AI, its extremely strong stuff, hard to dose, and is typically reserved as a last resort measure to wipe out cases of gyno swiftly and abruptly if they occur. With that said, your proposed dosage is about 4-6 TIMES HIGHER THAN MOST WOULD RECOMMEND for a standard cycle. Consider switching to Aromasin or Arimidex. (3) 400mg per week of testosterone is a cycle, not a cruise dosage. Acceptable cruise dosage would be around 200 or less. (4) Are you aware that by chosing a blast and cruise strategy, you are committing to a lifetime of testosterone injections, as you may permanently shut down your natural production? This is a big decision, and typically comes in middle age, with doctors assistance, after a decade or so of cycling and assessing other health factors.
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Dalton Carpenter User profile
you need to run dbol as a kick start for 4-6 weeks while youre starting deca, it takes deca 4 weeks to kick in and run the deca the whole cycle
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Dan J User profile
Not sure what you mean with “4 weeks on, 4 weeks off”, are you planning to go back on it after 4 weeks off? 4 weeks on is a nice kickstart to your cycle. I wouldn`t go back to dbol, just use it at the start, since that`s what you usually use it for since dbol and other orals are fast acting. You won`t need it at the end of the cycle, just extend your deca. Also start deca at the start of the cycle too, run it throughout like you do your test.
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can someone tell me why one order of this is a different color pink than the other, and when you break open the pill some are white in side, and others are pink all the way through. . . . . fake?
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Lav3ga User profile Expert
Dbol is super cheap to make. . it`s not fake. If you get fake anavar. . it might be dbol and winny. . never would fake dbol. These labs are not regulated man. . they do what they want. . their quality control (white pill, pink pill) is whatever they want it to be. I think just about anyone on this site will tell you gp is gtg
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Mike Jones User profile Expert
Because batches vary in color, it’s like trying to mix paint, you won’t always get the same shade every single time. Compare the batch numbers the potency will still be the same.
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N88 User profile
Different batch but i know dbol from GP is legit. I get slightly different shades/insides colors everytime but it all works like a champ
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nickname_963 User profile
As mentioned previously, dbol is super cheap to make, Geneza pharmaceuticals is mostly all I use, and there has never been an instance where I recieved bunk gear. The results will speak for themselves. No need to worry about quality. I had ordered GP winny and some of the pills were not consistent either. No big deal. Thanks
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GainsVille_85 User profile
Just a different batch. Nothing to be alarmed about. Geneza is one of the most well known and trusted UGLs.
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ROBERT User profile
Its all the same. Some of these manufacturers make batches very fresh to order. 24roids wouldn`t sell a fraudulent gear. You dont have anything to worry about.
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For my next cycle I want to run this as a kick starter for my long ester test. I plan to take 50mg/day of the dbol for 4 or 5 weeks, and test at 500mg/week for 12 weeks. Are these doses good? Also, how should I run my arimidex while I`m taking the dbol? Thanks in advance.
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nickname_963 User profile
Yes, the arimidex should be taken as soon as you begin your cycle. Take . 5mgs per day or eod depending on how sensitive you are to gyno symptoms. The ai will keep estrogen from building up and prevent the onset of gyno
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Tren Man User profile
If this is your first cycle, don`t take orals. You can kick start your cycle by taking test prop, you micro dose daily until your long ester kicks in.
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SocalJuicer User profile Expert
You can get some really solid results with just 20mg of Dbol as a kickstarter, and at 50 you might start to get into some serious bloating and high estrogen. I would start low and adjust upwards as needed. Definitely take your AI, but run it at 0. 25 every other day, then increase as needed.
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Anonymous User profile
Either do test/winstrol or test/tren. The extra anabolic effect that you get by taking them together is not worth nuking you liver for
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Andrew Turner User profile
I would run the Arimidex at . 5mgs eod if you start see water weight take . 5 ed. For the test I would split it into two shots 250mgs twice a week. And the dbols start at 10 or 20 mgs and work your way up see how sensitive you are to them.
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evan johnson User profile Expert
I would opt for 50mg/day and arimidex at . 5mg eod and you can work up to 1mg eod if necessary.
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What is most effective and recommended for liver support?
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Mike Jones User profile Expert
For all oral usage even with mild anavar it is recommended you use Tudca and a combo of choline&inositol for liver support and limit oral use to no longer than 6-8 weeks max
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Socaljuicer User profile Expert
Milk thistle and TUDCA are the two most common and effective supplements to take on cycle for liver support. Both are very easily accessible online or at a local health food, drugstore, or nutrition shop.
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smalldres User profile
Milk thistle and TUDCA. I usually run milk thistle during the same time I run an oral and I`ll run TUDCA after the oral cycle is over and it restores normal AST levels.
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ROBERT User profile
I would go with either Milk Thistle or a Liver Complex I`ve used both.
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anon5_uk User profile Expert
1,200mg NAC + Tudca 200-400mg + Choline/inositol bi-tartrate 500mg + Vit-C 1g
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ltl trucker User profile
Taurousodeoxycholic acid aka TUDCA, is a bike salt made up of Usodeoxycholic acid(UDCA) and the amino acid taurine. It`s been used in Chinese medicine for hundreds of years to heal sick organs, where they had to actually kill bears for their bile to obtain TUDCA. More recently, however it`s been extensively studied for liver enzyme function, cholestasis, and even improving insulin sensitivity. I`m going to mainly focus on liver protection for this post, though. There are a few very important liver enzymes that, when not working properly can cause jaundice, fatty liver disease, hepatitis and even liver failure. Compiling these studies, a dose of anywhere from 500-1750mg a day was shown to significantly lower the most important liver enzymes, in some cases up to 51%. TUDCA`s mechanism of action is improving bile flow, which if impaired can cause serious damage to your liver. It does this bc it`s a molecule that`s both water soluble and fat soluble(amphipathic). This also helps protect liver cells from apoptosis(programmed cell death) via reducing inflammation and stress of the endoplasmic reticulum. All of these things happen when you take oral androgens, so TUDCA is proving to be almost invaluable for liver protection during a cycle. The minimum effective dose seems to be 500-750mg, with better results around 1000mg a day. I would also add in NAC, which I`m a huge believer in for liver protection via a completely different mechanism. The combo should be very effective in minimizing liver damage while taking orals or high doses of androgensIf you`ve ever used a prohormone or oral steroids, someone has undoubtedly told you to take Milk Thistle for liver protection. While it`s true, milk thistle has liver protectant properties, it`s lesser known that it can actually down-regulate androgen receptor(AR) genes. It does this by inhibiting the transactivation activity of the AR, as well as affecting translocation of androgens to the nucleus of the cell, where it can turn on genes to help build muscle. Research has also shown to have inhibitory effect on IGF-1 signaling pathways, which may also inhibit your gains. If you`re taking a methylated prohormone or oral steroid, a better option would be N-acetylcysteine(NAC), TUDCA and prunella vulgaris. The latter has been shown not only to have liver protection properties, but also can activate the aryl hydrocarbon receptor, which may allow it to also have some anti-estrogen properties. Moral of the story, don`t always listen to the biggest guy at the gym for supplement adviceI take these 5 supps everyday, especially when taking any PH or androgen. Ubiquinol is the reduced form of CoQ10 which is a very important antioxidant that is synthesized in every cell. Plant sterols and non-flush niacin have both been shown to help increase HDL and control overall cholesterol(all orals and some androgens like stanozolol kill your HDL). Low HDL is associated with high risk of heart disease. N-acetyl cysteine is a precursor to the body`s master antioxidant glutathione(GSH), which is often depleted from the liver when taking oral PH or androgens. Vitamin K2 has also been shown to help significantly decrease risks of cardiovascular disease and heart attacks. All of these compounds are often overlooked when people decide to take PH or androgens. If you are going to take powerful drugs that can have severe cardiovascular effects, please do everything you can to protect your heart and minimize the negative effects as much as possible.