I have been lazy and not working out at all for the last 5 months. I have ran several cycles before and all of my bloodwork came back clean. I have been off cycle for 6 months now and I want to get back into working out. I definitely have lost a lot of muscle and gained some fat, probably 5%. I ran test e 200-300mg per week and winstrol 25mg a day for my first ever cycle and I loved the results. What do you think about running this same cycle and maybe 40-50mg per day for 7-8 weeks? I used to be buff from dbol and running test at 500+ per week, I hated the look and I want to slim down. What if I clean my diet up and run 45 min-1hr per day and run test plus winny? Also, what is the delivery time looking like on 24roids lately during the pandemic?
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nickname_791
If you wanna stay lean but gain mass too I`d run test 500, eq500, and mk677 and cardanine. You will get some water weight from the test and mk677. But that can be controlled. I like being bulky half the year and cut the other half and lean up. Best of both worlds but best of luck brother have a goood cycle.
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Jaris
You need to see for yourself what works on you. But I would focus on diet mostly. Because it will leave the biggest mark on you
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Traianos123
The delivery time is a bit slow now but not because of 24roids is because of this shit pandemic, but in the end is worth waiting. I will say that Test at around 400mg/week split in 2 pins and Winstrol at 50mg/day will give u good results if u work hard and if u have a good diet. U will need also Arimidex as estrogen blocker and for PCT u need Nolva and Clomid.
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nickname_238
You could up your test to 400mg a week this time, for 12 weeks. Then around the last 6 to 8 weeks add the winstrol in, at 40 to 50mgs a week. The extra test will help you preserve more muscle if you are running and do more aggressive cardio and when you are in a calorie deficit. Good luck! Take care.
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How much Tudca should I take on 50mg a day? Just started taking this on the end of my cycle. I am going to do it for 4-5 weeks. Currently, I am taking 500mg Tudca. 250 in the morning with 25 Winny, and 250 pre workout. Please let me know thanks!!
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skitt
You should be ok with the recommended dose on the bottle.. but I don`t think it would do you any harm to do a dose and a half if that makes sense.. so if you are doing 500 mg a day will help but doing 750 mg a day would be fine to.. If you want and this is just a suggestion, add some Milk thisle with it.. then you could do the 500 mg a day with tudca and 500 mg to 1000 mg of Milk thisle would be some good protection.. either way will be difficult to hone in on exact dose unless you got blood work and was looking a your liver enzymes numbers to see for sure.. I personally use Milk thisle at 1500 to 2000 mg a day (liquid drops) 600 mg of NAC a day and Dandelion Root at 550mg a day.. Maybe a bit over kill, not sure but I havent had any problems so, thats what works for me.. good luck
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Onyx
500 mg per day is a solid dose and it is the recommended dose for Tudca. Good luck!
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Jogger Expert
500mg is a sweat dose, a agree with nicknames comment gregs the man, take care
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So I am currently 5`5 170 and about 17% body fat, I was usually around 5`5 175 but at 12-13% body fat when I was working out 5 days a week, using test and cycling either tren, dbol, or winstrol and eating healthy. I have been off test and tren for about 3 months now and I have not been working out or eating healthy so I have lost muscle and gained fat and kind of just lost motivation to workout without juicing. I am looking at getting back into it, but I do not want to be buff anymore, I want to go for more of a cut look and i want to lose weight, I loved how I looked using just test and winstrol, should I go back to this? Should I go to anavar or use a different substance? I am obviously going to workout, eat healthy, and definitely start running more. I have some clen on hand but when I last took it I did not feel any side effects like the increase in body heat or the faster heart rate so I did not believe it was working. I went to the doctor and they said my blood work all looks good after my cycles.
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lou Expert
Hi anon, man you could do low test and eq cycle finished with winstrol or anavar, you would love that, I’d 400 test and 500-600 eq finish with 6 weeks anavar at 40mg split twice, good luck
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nickname_88
Well, you may not like this answer but this is what everyone is here for.. different opinions and different points/views… it already sounds like you know aas and different compounds and what will do what for you so I`m sure you could figure out what and how much to do/use to just maintain average build without getting bulky huge…. BUT I am going to be straight with you…… you say you have no motivation to workout anymore unless you`re on/using aas????? Well then you should stop using all together now because you will just be back in this same spot in a very short time and you`re putting your body through a lot of stress in which you don`t need since you`re telling us all that this is not a permanent lifestyle for you.. I hope you see where I`m goin here.. if your only motivation to workout is because you`re on aas, well then that`s pretty sad! I and many on here have a passion for exercising and lifting heavy which will never die no matter on gear or not.. a good Physique does not just come from using gear, we all have to put in the work.. I am sure you know this but once you`re out of supply whenever that could be, it sounds like you would just let yourself go once again.. even if the gear is dry, never stop lifting.. never.. you should be able to lift nonstop while not on gear and be happy with what you`re doing for yourself. Don`t let the gear control how you workout or exercise cuz it won`t always be there.. I don`t mean for this to sound rude so I hope it`s not taken personally.. but like is said, if gear is your only motivation to exercise, then I would just stay away from it..
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Do I run tudca along during the cycle or PCT ?
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nickname_464
You always want to run it with and it doesn`t hurt to run it afterwards either. Your not going to hurt your gains only help your liver. Best of luck mate.
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Papi1224
I would run it throughout the entire cycle.
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Swolebro
Yep just run it while taking your orals. And maybe for a week or two after you come off the orals to help your liver recover. I ran tudca while on oral tbol and never had any issues. Best of luck mate
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Nathan Co
I agree. During cycle and during pct. I am on it more than I`m not.
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Barry Gibson
During cycle lol or why or how would it protect your liver after you strain or damage it man? Use it while on to prevent strain, maybe a couple weeks after last shot cuz it`ll still remain in your system. Liv52 is cheaper.
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.50 caliber
i use the whole time im on orals and 1 week after i come off
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The description says oral winny has some properties that block estrogen. I`ve been taking 200mg test cyp weekly for a month and a half (TRT plus a little more), about to up to 350 or 450 mg weekly. taking Winny for a week now, 25mg twice daily – taking tudca and NAC, working well. Great pumps, energy, vascularity and gains. Should I take anastrazole .25mg twice weekly or weekly just because I upped the test? I doubt I will get gyno symptoms as a cue but I might be getting more irritable. does oral winny alleviate the need for an AI in my circumstance?
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Jason Barnard
It has anti-estrogen properties but it is not really an AI. however you shouldn`t use an AI unless you are experiencing symptoms. Especially at the dosages you`re at. I can run those dosages without any issues whatsoever. As can many I`m sure.
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Swoll,onthe,low
You still need ai even if running winny or masteron they may help very minimal but test will still convert to estrogen this sides so take adex EOD or e3 days should be just fine
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patsalos mixalis
Without bloodwork you can never be 100% sure where estrogen levels are. If you get itch puffy or sore nips try o.5mg arimidex every 2 or 3 days and assess from there
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Dr Scott Expert
If i am not having symptoms I dont start an AI period. Others will say differntly but i have been doing this a long time. Most people tolerate them well but they were not designed for guys running gear recreationally, they were made to treat women dying from estrogen dependent cancer. Of corse you are irritable and aggressive, this is very common you have super human levels of androgens in you.
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Fit_mom
I know this has come up before on other steroid forums. One study showed the claim is based on a study that showed in the skin estrogen reduction occurred. I would not use winny as intent to act as an ai. Listen to your body and if estrogen sides start to show take the ai. Good luck
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Big Dogg
Winstrol and Proviron can lower estrogen enough that you dont need an AI but no one cam answer that for you except blood work. I use Proviron in all my cycles and rarely need anything else. Both of those compounds also lower SHBG making the test more available.
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Where can I get tudca. Liver detox. I`ve looked on here can`t find it. I`m assuming I would use this after my six weeks. I`m on try so I`m just gonna up my dose test cyp to about 350- 400mg weekly. And winstrol 50 for the 6weeks. But I also normally to a 1mg Anastrozole with my injection .85mg. If I up my dose should I up the dose of Anastrozole as well….
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LongIslandBEAST
You can buy the liver pills on Amazon and even most local healthcare stores will have those as well. I wouldn’t increase arimidex unless you are having side effects that aren’t going away. Always go with the least amount that is effective.
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Nashdaddy
Vitamin Shoppe carries liverdetox. And unless you are experoencing side effects i wouldn`t up the arimedex. No need in more chems in your body if you don`t need them.
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anonymous255
You can get it from Walmart or Amazon. Just google it. I wouldn’t raise adex. You can have worse sides when dropping your estrogen too low. Just listen to your body and raise if needed.
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Beard
I get mine right off Amazon. But I found one on myofactorsupplements.com that I feel works better. The liver pulls vitamin stores carry are not the same n are not as effective as tudca. Milk thistle barely does anything also.
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anon5_uk Expert
TUDCA can be bought anywhere, it`s a supplement, not a medication. You won`t find it here, because you can buy it so many places anywhere else. I get mine on Amazon co uk
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Joe Hodgins
You can get tuudca pretty much anywhere. GNC, vitamin shop, Amazon etc..that being said, n2guard and rich pianas organ and liver defender are great cycle supports when taking orals
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Just wanted to ask everyone about there opinions on dosages. Someone once told me to split them others say it doesn’t matter. And another person said to take them the whole dose before a workout. I was looking to take anywhere from 50mg up to 100mg a day. All advice would be greatly appreciated.
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Mtrain
Have you ever taken Winny before? If not, 50mg for 4-6 weeks is PLENTY for your first go-around. It has a short half life, so breaking up your doses (i.e. Half in the AM and half pre-workout) is optimal for saturation levels, but not required. Just as long as you`re crushing your workouts and taking it (1-2 hours prior to your lift). What`s your cycle history? What are you running with it?
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Joe Hodgins
I agree with mtrain, 50mg for 4-6 weeks should be plenty. If u react well and u like the compound then go for 6 weeks if possible. You shouldnt need more than 50mg. If it’s your first time taking Winny then u should try 25mg for the first week or atleast first couple days to see how your body responds. Also, splitting the daily amount into 2 doses is a great idea especially if u work out in the late afternoon so half in the morning and half an hour prior to workout
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Nattygains
If you were dead set on taking 100mg. Then try to do an EOD type cycle. 100mg per day is way to much in my opinion. Of course everyone handles things differently. But the way my buddy handled it. Wasn’t good at all. He got super lean. But he look like hell
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nickname_610
I agree you should take 50 mg a day , and split it 25 mg twice a day
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Swoll,onthe,low
100mg EOD will be good for great noticable difference.see how that makes you feel.
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Is it safe to run this toward the end of a dbol and test e cycle to lose water weight? I was planning on running dbol and test e for 6-8 weeks then running winstrol with test e for 4-6 weeks to cut.
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anonymous99
Yes sir. You can do that it is actually a good cycle. Just a word of advise increase reps and go bit lighter when on winny it has a tendency to dry out joints, just saying don`t try to match the weights and reps that you could do on dbol
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Maison Jardin
Yes you can ran that 14week cycle no problem. I would say definitely pick up some liver guard dbol and Winnie are toxic Winnie more so than the dbol. I would run the dbol for 4-6weeks at 50mgs ed test e 250mgs twice a week. Definitely get some Arimidex to keep your estrogen down and avoid water retention. The Winne you can totally run 50mgs Ed for 4 weeks at the end of your cycle. Pct nolvadex 20mg Ed for 6 weeks clomid 50mgs ed for 4 weeks.
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Tom.
Yes it is safe to run that cycle but if you run a good estrogen blocker than I don’t see you having that much of an issue with water weight and if you don’t I recommend you run anavar 50mgs ed instead I think you will get better results.
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Jinxed
Yes you can. I usually do the same toward the end of my cycle never had a issue
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GainsVille_85
You’re talking 14 weeks straight with some of the most liver toxic Orals available. Not a good idea. Run your DBol 4-6 weeks, then go off the orals, then finish with Winstrol.
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nickname_537
That is a good strategy. Recall winstrol dries out joints and actually weakens collagen. The actual college production is increased but the structure of the actual collagen is weakened from my research and that renders possible muscle rips and strains. So limit how heavy you go on winny and like someone said don`t match what you did on dbol. Also it dries your joints out too.
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I need guidance on good gear for fat loss. I don’t want to use tren, but I want to assemble a stack to remove body fat effectively. My diet is clean and I average 30 minutes cardio 3-4 times a week. I have quite a bit of fat (probably 30+ pounds)from a few years of being a fatty. Any recommendations?
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Nathan Co
Do you weight train? If not, you should. The more muscle mass you have, the easier it is to lose fat. If you are low on muscle mass, even if you lose the fat, you could possibly end up with a skinny fat look. I would start weight training before your cardio and try to build some muscle before you become chemically enhanced. Plus, nothing on here is going to be good for you if you are over weight or have too high of a body fat percentage.
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nickname_537
No steroid will help burn fat. Tren, anavar do but it`s not significant. Steroids main job is to build muscle. Bodybuilders diet on their own. You can try albuterol, it`s like clenbuterol but purportedly safer. You can try t3 but you must be on steroids or the t3 will eat your muscles along with fat. While albuterol, t3 etc help. .. its just a small boost honestly. Say you lost 30lbs, t3 and albuterol might have done 6-8lbs. Most of it is diet unfortunately.
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Anonymous
Clean diet is a good start, you need count calories for few weeks. Take less than you burn, and steroid will give you an extra push by keeping your metabolism up during dieting. If you are only doing cardio, then you can take just 250mg/week test e, since you have some body fat, you need to check your estrogen levels because fat cells produce estrogen. Get a good AI, do not shut down estrogen because you need it for your joints specially if you are overweight.
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Anonymous
Not taking tren is a good choice. You are not doing a lot of cardio, so you are not going to need more than 250mg a week. Take test c or test e, pin twice a week. Watch you estrogen levels, high BMI means more estrogen but make sure you keep them at a healthy level. Don`t take higher doses, bodybuilder take higher because they put a lot of stress on the body and need that extra boost from test and tren and etc. .. Good luck
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nickname_963
Testosterone Propionate – 100 mg everydayMasteron Propionate – 100 mg everydayWinstrolor Anavar – 50 mg/day for six weeksGrowth Hormone – 4 IU, first thing in the morning, 45 minutes before foodT3 – 20 mcg, gradually increased according to individual needsClenbuterol – 20 mcg, increased according to individual needsNolvadex– 20 mg everydayHCG – 250 IU, twice per week
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RJB
Yeah I agree I would take Test E or Cyp. I would try T3 or Clen to help you burn fat. Up your cardio and keep diet clean.
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SocalJuicer Expert
All gear is going to help a little bit with fat loss, but no amount of steriods will outweigh a diet that is not calorie restrictive. Are you counting, weighing and logging every single calorie that goes in your mouth? Typically people who are having trouble losing weight are not doing this, and just assuming they are eating fewer calories than they are burning. Apps like myfitnesspal and other make this process very easy. Good luck!
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LegacyLifter
Majority of steroids do NOT cause fat loss. Your diet determine that but steroids give you an edge. Avoid ones that are estrogenic to avoid bloat and water retention. Use ancillaries alongside test/tren/mast/proviron/winstrol such as ephedrine/caffeine, clenbuterol, and T3.
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J.P. Expert
I agree with the others who have steered you away from using anabolics as a fat loss tool. Do they help? Yes. Is it like killing ants with a . 357? Also yes. My advice, get to an endocrinologist or a physician who specializes in making your body healthy. You can use all the drugs, diets and training programs in the world but if you`re hormones are out of whack, which is not uncommon when body fat becomes high, you will struggle to make progress. Better to know what`s going on with the foundation before you start picking out the drapes and floor tiles if you know what I`m saying
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What liver protectants and detoxifiers do you recommend using with this Win 50?
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Mike Jones Expert
Tudca, liveraid, or nac. Milk thistle doesn’t do much so no point in wasting money on it.
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JESSE PEARSON Expert
There`s a ton of them out there. Depends on your budget and personal concerns. A supplement with several things included is nice but not necessary. I like TUDCA, milk thistle can be used but it has to be taken in higher doses.