Im thinking about taking this 500 a week but going the intramuscular route, any suggestions?
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Jogger User profile Expert
Answered: Jul 08, 2020
You can go intramuscular but I recommend you do it with a insulin pin in stomach fat bro, nice and easy
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MichaelSmith User profile
Answered: Jul 08, 2020
Problem with putting it in the muscle is you are just adding to the recovery time needed to pin in that spot again. You can do it but if you use the belly fat it won`t interfere with being able to use those spots for your other injections.
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Joeskee User profile
Answered: Jul 08, 2020
That`s the last thing u wanna do is do it intramuscular injection. Do it sub-q otherwise ur gonna waste it.
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Roid_Head User profile Expert
Answered: Jul 08, 2020
The reason you pin it subq is because hcg`s half live is 24-36 hours. Muscles have higher blood flow than fat so pinning it IM will make it absorb even faster.
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Traianos123 User profile Expert
Answered: Jul 08, 2020
The right way to take HCG is in the last 2 weeks of your cycle, before PCT, so u got 2000IU, pin 1000IU/week split in 2 pins of 500IU, like this your PCT will work better and pin it in the belly fat, not IM.
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Drex88 User profile
Answered: Jul 09, 2020
Okay so in the packaging the manufacture calls for it to be injected IM with a 25g 1.5 inch needle, just like I use for oils. I searched a little online as well and got the same answer, IM in the buttocks. I`ll go subQ but what length tips do you suggest?
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Dr. Scott User profile Expert
Answered: Jul 08, 2020
if you pull a package insert for HCG, is indicated for Sub Q OR IM delivery. Thats from the MFG, you are fine either way. Ive done both and generally speaking sub q is more comfortable but dont notice any difference. run it.
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Drex88 User profile
Answered: Jul 09, 2020
oops, not sure why it responded to Traianos but it was meant for you Dr.Scott. Packaging says IM, not subQ or IM but I understand it can be done eitherway. Suggestions on tip length of syringe?
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Pump3 User profile
Answered: Jul 08, 2020
Subq would have a little slower and smoother delivery into the blood stream but IM would work fine it all depends on what you want to do. I personally do subq its nice and easy but to each their own.
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Been on trt at 200mg per week but for the past 16 months have used an extra 300mg to 500mg test weekly knowing I need no pct. However will hcg aid me in gaining fertility if I wanted to have kids in the future? Some say bodybuilders on much much higher doses of steroids for upwards of 10yrs or more successfully had children so I think it is possible with the correct clomid, proviron, hcg, hmg protocol. But I`d like your opinions guys. Thanks!
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KnickerB User profile
Answered: Apr 09, 2020
HCG is definitely the way to go if your goal is fertility. It also helps to get your nads back as you have increased the TRT dosage and that might have an impact. Adding Clomid certainly helps but reduce the test intake with Clomid and HCG as they both will raise test. You don`t need unwanted side effects for DHT conversion.
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nik User profile Expert
Answered: Apr 09, 2020
yes that is the main goal of hcd my friend, it will aid in fertility and start test production, proviron is also a great drug for increase fertility, good luck
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Hcg User profile Expert
Answered: Apr 09, 2020
Hcg and clomid are both great for fertility. Hcg will keep your nuts a float as well. Proviron will keep your muscles and your junk hard
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BENJAMIN LEOPOLD User profile
Answered: Apr 09, 2020
Yes hcg will help you become fertile again. It is used in fertility clinics for just that reason. You can also add clomid to increase your chances.
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nickname_464 User profile
Answered: Apr 09, 2020
Yes, hcg will help with your fertility. It will aid your testicles in being more full and for most provide more load. For a complete stack that covers everything you`ll need to gain maximum fertility, look to Naps pre designed stacks. They have a specific fertility stack now that will get you right where you want to be and what to use to get there. Best of luck.
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nickname_88 User profile
Answered: Apr 09, 2020
My thoughts on this and question to you… why do you think you need help with gaining fertility, just cuz you`re on trt even at higher doses than regular trt or cruising levels?? Can this lower your fertility, well yes but there have been thousands and thousands and thousands of men who have have no problem getting their wife or whoever pregnant while on blast cycles and or just cruising… so if you`re concerned, before just going and adding something else like hcg…. Why not go to your dr and get your swimmers checked or just have a go at it if you`re trying with your wife, girlfriend or whoever?? More than likely you`re fine and don`t need to add anything unless you know something else you`re not sharing here..
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Okay so I`m running Test E 750mgs a week, I lift 5-6 days a week and I`m on week 6 of a 12 week cycle. I`ve seen strength gains. Definitely have seen size gains and it seems I`m losing some fat as well. I dont do too much cardio as I`m trying to bulk. I started at 210 now I`m weighing in at 220 6 weeks in. I`m debating ordering some HCG for the end of my cycle. Pros? Cons? And I heard you start it the last 2 weeks of your cycle then stop when you finish your cycle. For pct I have nolvadex planned, healthy eating. Green drinks and high protein as I`m doing now. I`m wondering should I add anything else for pct? And what`s the HCG does. How long do you use it. Etc??? Thanks in advance
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Big Jake User profile
Answered: Mar 27, 2020
From a lot of the discussion here, HCG seems to be preferable. Some say it`s all that`s needed and others go with clomid or add clomid as well. There`s a lot to be said for not taking nolvadex just because as a PCT. I`ve enjoyed a lot of in depth discussion of this here over the past few weeks. If you scroll back through some of the posts in this forum you can read what many have said against nolva. If you`re getting gyno then nolva makes sense.
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novadesert007 User profile
Answered: Mar 27, 2020
As for test you are good to go. I agree with Big Jake. Clomid and HCG is good enough unless you are prone to gyno. I suggest getting the 5000iu for your last two weeks. Bac water is also included. Good luck
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S-C-J User profile
Answered: Mar 27, 2020
I was always told to run hcg for recovery in the two weeks between your last pin and your pct, but now dr Scott is saying that he uses it, and nothing else for pct and had bloods to prove the effectiveness. So now Im not sure what to think!
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Htimserd User profile
Answered: Mar 27, 2020
I would definitely suggest hcg take it 2 weeks before your last pin until 2 weeks after your last pin. Get clomid as well you will thank me later. HCG activates the pituatary gland and tell it hey we need more sperm/ natural test and you body lights up like a lightning.
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Jose User profile
Answered: Mar 27, 2020
Hcg and clomid. Hcg 250 2x a week and clomid 1 tablet a day 2 weeks after last pin for 30 days. Hcg 2 weeks before you end your cycle and run for 4 weeks after cycle ends so a total of 6 weeks of hcg. Some run hcg during cycle to bring boys back.
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Mike Jones User profile Expert
Answered: Mar 27, 2020
Whichever serm you use is persoanll preference, but hcg should always be used in a cycle to preserve the functionality of the gonadal axis instead of having to completely restart it like if you came off with just clomid or nolva you should start hcg with your cycle at 250iu twice a week
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How much do i need to go on a pct, how much what days etc
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Slim User profile
Answered: Oct 11, 2019
HCG actually supresses half of your HPTA, and therefore hampers your overall recovery. Use it on cycle at 500iu per week, including the two weeks between your last shot and the start of PCT. Stop during PCT.
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Kevin Cox User profile
Answered: Oct 11, 2019
I use it pre pct while I`m waiting for my system to clear 16 days before pct 500iu Eod ,I would not do it during pct.
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Zach Linder User profile Expert
Answered: Oct 11, 2019
Use on cycle before pct. a good rule of thimb is 500iu – 750iu EOD. Starting a couple weeks prior to your final injection. Good luck
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Jaris User profile
Answered: Oct 11, 2019
Yeahh 500mg eod, i am going to run the same compound, bcs i am going off heavy cycle
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nickname_518 User profile
Answered: Oct 11, 2019
I agree with slim. I wouldn`t use it during pct because it can make your recovery longer. Use it on cycle at 500iu`s per week and u can split that into 2 shots. I think 500 iu`s eod is overkill but if 500iu`s a week split into 2 shots isn`t working for u then I guess u can try eod like the other guys said.
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Skuchie User profile
Answered: Oct 11, 2019
Use 500ius twice a week for the duration of your cycle. Then allow 2 weeks after your last injection and run Nolva:Clomid for 2 weeks.
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I`ve been running dragon pharma dianabol 20mg 2x a day for about a week and a half, i am ordering dragon phatma test e 250 today, and will be running that with my dbol. I also ordered liv 52 for my liver because of the dbol. I am planning to order dragon pharma 20mg nolvadex as well, to regulate the estrogen. What else should i use for pct and to keep my gains? Ive read maybe hcg is a good choice to run with the nolvadex. Please help this is my first cycle i want to do it right, be safe, and keep as much of my gains as i can THANKS!
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ROBERT User profile
Answered: Jun 27, 2019
Dbol is a good jump to start your cycle, test is going to be a good addition. If you`re looking for PCT then I`d add Clomid. If those are the only two things you will be running (dbol and test) then I think Nolvadex and Clomid will be fine it`s really your choice in regards to an HCG.
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Vincent Valentine User profile Expert
Answered: Jun 27, 2019
If you`ve been running D-Bol for a week and a half and you haven`t been taking any liver support, I`d promptly get to a local supplement store and get yourself some TUDCA (or at the very least some milk thistle) asap. Liv52 is great, but I wouldn`t wait for it to arrive. D-Bol is very taxing on the liver and running it without liver support puts you at high risk for developing cholestasis and potential long-term liver damage. Everything else in your post looked good. I would, however, save the Nolvadex for PCT and get yourself some Arimidex to prevent excess estrogen buildup. Nolvadex, or any SERM for that matter, doesn`t actually reduce estrogen. They merely bind to estrogen receptor sites to prevent estrogen from activating, and Nolvadex will actually only bind to receptor sites in the chest. This makes Nolva great for reducing gyno, but not a proper means of reducing overall estrogen in the body on-cycle. I`d run HCG during the last two weeks of your cycle and begin taking Nolvadex 10-14 days after your last injection of testosterone enanthate.
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anon5_uk User profile Expert
Answered: Jun 27, 2019
hCg is optional, but if you are going to opt for it, don`t use it during PCT. Use it last 4 weeks of your cycle, and your last pin being 3-4 days before the start of PCT. For PCT Nolvadex is pretty good on its own. If you want, add Clomid to it, but only for first 2-3 weeks, you don`t need it for longer than that. Nolvadex + Clomid will get you back to natural really fast. To be honest, if it`s your first cycle, it should have been testosterone only. But since you are already on dbol, keep using it till you bridge it with testosterone (till testosterone stabilizes at it`s highest dosage), which is 4-5th week after starting testosterone pinning. From week 5 onwards it should be testosterone only. Liv 52 should also not be needed anymore, since you take it with orals only.
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mchilds User profile
Answered: Jun 27, 2019
There is literature out there that actually shows little difference between taking a liver support vs drinking water with low amounts of unhealthy/high cholesterol foods when on liver caustic meds. Essentially it won’t hurt but having a healthy diet and drinking lots of water will flush the kidneys and liver just as well. Nolva for pct is good. You can add clomid as well. I used both before starting trt. I use HCG and really notice my balls and libido return to normal within a few days after taking so I like it a lot. I would get arimidex or aromasin while on cycle if u are starting your first test cycle. You can get gyno very quick without it. I did after my first cycle of test. If you do nothing else make sure to get one of those 2 meds. And run your cycle at least 10-12 weeks to see real gains that you will actually keep. Also start planning your second cycle now. I waited a year to start my second and lost my gains.
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GainsVille_85 User profile
Answered: Jun 27, 2019
In the future if you want to do it “right and safe” you need to wait until you have all your compounds before starting. Any number of things can go wrong with shipping, and suddenly you’re scrambling for an AI or something.
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48yr Old Newbie User profile
Answered: Jun 27, 2019
Yes, HCG helps during and rebounding back out of cycle.
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This will be my first time using HCG. I`m pinning 1000iu per week. 2 injections per week for 4 weeks. What is the recommended needle and syringe? Does this require BAC water to mix? Any other things I`ll need beside the drug itself?
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J.P. User profile Expert
Answered: Jun 15, 2019
You`ll need some bacterostatic water. Don`t use the sodium chloride that comes with it. Sodium Chloride is meant for a single injection. Bacterostatic water has a preservative property to it that`ll extend the life of your solution allowing for multiple injections. For those injections, you`ll be good with any variety of an insulin syringe. Though for reconstituting, it`s a little more convenient to use standard intramuscular needles and syringes. About the HCG number, that`s one hell of a dose to carry on for four weeks. HCG can mess with your estrogen levels. If your goal is to simply facilitate a smother recovery it can be done with a much lower dose. I personally have always stuck with less than 500iu per week. In fact, I find that 250 to 300 is perfect for me. If I remember correctly, the blasting HCG protocols were mostly for guys who didn`t use it throughout the cycle. Bill Robert`s has a great essay floating around online that really puts the discrepancies between HCG theories to rest. It`s just like anything else, you`ll see the best outcome sticking around the minimally effective dose. But don`t just rely on what you read here. Check it out for yourself. Just pay attention primarily to more recent research. It wasn`t that long ago that guys thought thousands of IU`s of HCG should be ran throughout post cycle therapy
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Doug User profile
Answered: Jun 15, 2019
Definitely use BAC water, it allows for multiple injections from a vial without the risk of bacteria growth inside the reconstituted compound. I personally use 31 gauge insulin syringes, and inject sub-q. I have seen no difference between injecting Intramuscular, or subq. If mixed with 1ml of BAC water, 25 on an insulin syringe will equate to 500iu of HCG. Take that twice a week if you wish to do 1000iu a week split into two doses. If going the Intramuscular route with a 3 ML syringe, 0.25ml of solution will equate to the same thing (500iu of HCG per 0.25ml)
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Massgains User profile
Answered: Jun 15, 2019
Your definitely going to need some bac If your planning multiple injections with one bottle of this product how ever 1000ius a week what are you doing your not doing a pct protocol and your not pinning on cycle because that’s way to much per week so I’m just confused what it is your trying to do
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Maison Jardin User profile
Answered: Jun 15, 2019
Yes you will need Bacteriostatic Water because the water provider is for a single use not multiple use like Bac Water is designed for. If you going to be running the hcg on cycle all you need is 500ius a week 250 twice a week. If it’s pct it’s 1000ius eod good luck
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ROBERT User profile
Answered: Jun 15, 2019
You do need BAC Water. Use a insulin syringe / sling pin. If its PCT do 1000ius a week, if your using it as cycle support then 500ius a week is good. Not sure what gear you`re or going to take. Being more specific will get you much better answers. Good luck.
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Mike Jones User profile Expert
Answered: Jun 15, 2019
J.P’s post is spot on, the goal for using hcg is to use the minimalist effective dose to get the results you want, in your case 1000iu a week will cause sensitivity loss to your leydig cells and the hcg will basically be a point of diminishing return, as jp stated use bac water to preserve the shelf life of the hcg and use a maximum dose of 500iu a week so 250iu twice a week will be perfect to get the job done. To facilitate the injections you’ll need an insulin needle my preference is 31g 1ml needles that I use for almost all injections, the best way to take hcg is subQ and you can take it at any point throughout the day
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How long can this be stored BEFORE it is mixed? Thinking about buying and having on hand before i start my 12 week cycle. Also wondering if it is safe to store like my gear, in a cool dark place, as in the top of my closet.
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michael vanacore User profile
Answered: Mar 27, 2019
can be stored a long time without being mixes. it cones with at least a year on the label of expiration. mixed is usually 3 weeks or so.
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RJB User profile
Answered: Mar 27, 2019
If you are storing it in a safe place then it will be ok for awhile before you reconstitute it with BAC water. Your closet should be a good place to store it. .
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anon5_uk User profile Expert
Answered: Mar 27, 2019
You can store it till the expiry date, which is quite substantial (I think 2 years, perhaps even 3 years, since manufacturing date). You can store it even longer than that, the date of expiry is just manufacturer`s guarantee that it will keep its potency. The powder sealed in sterilized environment really doesn`t go bad at all. .. As long as it`s stored at room temp in the dark.
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smalldres User profile
Answered: Mar 27, 2019
You can store in a cool dark place until the expiration date if its not reconstituted.
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Greg Landes User profile
Answered: Mar 27, 2019
Powdered HGH before constituted must be kept refrigerated (36° to 46° F [2° to 8° C]) before and after it is mixed. Do not freeze. Once mixed and is in liquid form, vials must be used within 14 days. So if you keep in your fridge In powdered form you should have between 12-24 months before expiry.
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Mike Jones User profile Expert
Answered: Mar 27, 2019
If refrigerated hcg will last up to a year after the printed expiration date before it even starts losing potency, if it’s not refrigerated it will only last a few months before the compund starts to lose potency I’ve had perscribed hcg and even the pharmacy refrigerated it before I got it so it should be at all times.
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Hi, after I mix the sterile solution with the hcg powder, how long can the extra solution be stored for? I would like to do injections 2 times per week at 500iu each. So if I bout 5000iu at a time, would I have a problem storing it over the course of 5 weeks if I mix up the solution the first week
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evan johnson User profile Expert
Answered: Feb 10, 2019
HCG can be stored up to 60 days after mixed and will do just fine after 5 weeks
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D-man User profile Expert
Answered: Feb 10, 2019
Once you`ve mixed your HCG Injections , in general the potency will be good for around 3 weeks. However, people have reported their HCG mixtures remaining potent for up to 4 weeks and beyond. Others have reported their HCG “going bad” as early as 2 weeks after mixing.
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Steven User profile Expert
Answered: Feb 13, 2019
You should be ok storing your HCG for 5 weeks if kept AWAY FROM THE FRONT of your refrigerator where temperatures will fluctuate up and down.
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Mike Jones User profile Expert
Answered: Feb 14, 2019
Depending on the solution, reconstituted hcg will last for 30-60days this product comes as 2000iu so you’ll need to buy a different product for 5000iu
